"Old Crow" <walliscrow@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> You can't blame the guys in the blue shirts for the lies that the
> dude in the suit told you.

oh i wasnt.......at all. this is my overview of the entire department in
general.

--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com
http://UtilityOffRoad.com

 

"Old Crow" <walliscrow@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> You can't blame the guys in the blue shirts for the lies that the
> dude in the suit told you.

oh i wasnt.......at all. this is my overview of the entire department in
general.

--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com
http://UtilityOffRoad.com

 

"Old Crow" <walliscrow@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:vv6a005n7s7in4tbe97t9ndhv60fobes7q@4ax.com...
> You can't blame the guys in the blue shirts for the lies that the
> dude in the suit told you.

oh i wasnt.......at all. this is my overview of the entire department in
general.

--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com
http://UtilityOffRoad.com

 

Jeepster <yj_driver_NO_SPAM@excite.com> wrote in
news:b82900p8i88nd0rj11jrk3e33q8lfplo24@4ax.com:

>>a typical dealership mechanic averages around $15-$17 an hour. the
>>dealership has to pay for all the shop expenses including insurance
>>and match the mechanics ss deductions but its still a rip to charge
>>$75 an hour. they do it because they can.

Of course, you have to remember that the mechanic gets his salary the whole
time he's working, whether he's working on someone's car (billable), taking
a break, cleaning up the shop, calibrating equipment, taking sick leave,
helping another mechanic, or paid vacation. And someone has to pay for a
well-stocked parts department, training, manuals, tools, diagnostoc
equipment, the building, utilities, insurance, taxes, etc.

The mechanic's take home salary is only a small portion of what you're
paying for when you go to the shop.

 

Jeepster <yj_driver_NO_SPAM@excite.com> wrote in
news:b82900p8i88nd0rj11jrk3e33q8lfplo24@4ax.com:

>>a typical dealership mechanic averages around $15-$17 an hour. the
>>dealership has to pay for all the shop expenses including insurance
>>and match the mechanics ss deductions but its still a rip to charge
>>$75 an hour. they do it because they can.

Of course, you have to remember that the mechanic gets his salary the whole
time he's working, whether he's working on someone's car (billable), taking
a break, cleaning up the shop, calibrating equipment, taking sick leave,
helping another mechanic, or paid vacation. And someone has to pay for a
well-stocked parts department, training, manuals, tools, diagnostoc
equipment, the building, utilities, insurance, taxes, etc.

The mechanic's take home salary is only a small portion of what you're
paying for when you go to the shop.

 

Jeepster <yj_driver_NO_SPAM@excite.com> wrote in
news:b82900p8i88nd0rj11jrk3e33q8lfplo24@4ax.com:

>>a typical dealership mechanic averages around $15-$17 an hour. the
>>dealership has to pay for all the shop expenses including insurance
>>and match the mechanics ss deductions but its still a rip to charge
>>$75 an hour. they do it because they can.

Of course, you have to remember that the mechanic gets his salary the whole
time he's working, whether he's working on someone's car (billable), taking
a break, cleaning up the shop, calibrating equipment, taking sick leave,
helping another mechanic, or paid vacation. And someone has to pay for a
well-stocked parts department, training, manuals, tools, diagnostoc
equipment, the building, utilities, insurance, taxes, etc.

The mechanic's take home salary is only a small portion of what you're
paying for when you go to the shop.

 

Well, that's not so in most dealerships. The tech gets paid when he is
working on a paying customer's automobile. Tech doesn't get paid to clean
the house, train the new guy, road test for hours to duplicate an impossible
concern, etc..

Few people comprehend or care about the overhead of running a repair
business. It is much more convenient to just whine about the cost. Like
anything else, if you don't want to pay someone to do, gear up and do it
yourself.

Jerry


"Barry Bean" <bbbean@beancotton.com> wrote in message
news:Xns947069F5E8955eatmorecotton@207.14.113.17.. .
> Jeepster <yj_driver_NO_SPAM@excite.com> wrote in
> news:b82900p8i88nd0rj11jrk3e33q8lfplo24@4ax.com:
> Of course, you have to remember that the mechanic gets his salary the
whole
> time he's working, whether he's working on someone's car (billable),
taking
> a break, cleaning up the shop, calibrating equipment, taking sick leave,
> helping another mechanic, or paid vacation. And someone has to pay for a
> well-stocked parts department, training, manuals, tools, diagnostoc
> equipment, the building, utilities, insurance, taxes, etc.
>
> The mechanic's take home salary is only a small portion of what you're
> paying for when you go to the shop.

 

Well, that's not so in most dealerships. The tech gets paid when he is
working on a paying customer's automobile. Tech doesn't get paid to clean
the house, train the new guy, road test for hours to duplicate an impossible
concern, etc..

Few people comprehend or care about the overhead of running a repair
business. It is much more convenient to just whine about the cost. Like
anything else, if you don't want to pay someone to do, gear up and do it
yourself.

Jerry


"Barry Bean" <bbbean@beancotton.com> wrote in message
news:Xns947069F5E8955eatmorecotton@207.14.113.17.. .
> Jeepster <yj_driver_NO_SPAM@excite.com> wrote in
> news:b82900p8i88nd0rj11jrk3e33q8lfplo24@4ax.com:
> Of course, you have to remember that the mechanic gets his salary the
whole
> time he's working, whether he's working on someone's car (billable),
taking
> a break, cleaning up the shop, calibrating equipment, taking sick leave,
> helping another mechanic, or paid vacation. And someone has to pay for a
> well-stocked parts department, training, manuals, tools, diagnostoc
> equipment, the building, utilities, insurance, taxes, etc.
>
> The mechanic's take home salary is only a small portion of what you're
> paying for when you go to the shop.

 

Well, that's not so in most dealerships. The tech gets paid when he is
working on a paying customer's automobile. Tech doesn't get paid to clean
the house, train the new guy, road test for hours to duplicate an impossible
concern, etc..

Few people comprehend or care about the overhead of running a repair
business. It is much more convenient to just whine about the cost. Like
anything else, if you don't want to pay someone to do, gear up and do it
yourself.

Jerry


"Barry Bean" <bbbean@beancotton.com> wrote in message
news:Xns947069F5E8955eatmorecotton@207.14.113.17.. .
> Jeepster <yj_driver_NO_SPAM@excite.com> wrote in
> news:b82900p8i88nd0rj11jrk3e33q8lfplo24@4ax.com:
> Of course, you have to remember that the mechanic gets his salary the
whole
> time he's working, whether he's working on someone's car (billable),
taking
> a break, cleaning up the shop, calibrating equipment, taking sick leave,
> helping another mechanic, or paid vacation. And someone has to pay for a
> well-stocked parts department, training, manuals, tools, diagnostoc
> equipment, the building, utilities, insurance, taxes, etc.
>
> The mechanic's take home salary is only a small portion of what you're
> paying for when you go to the shop.

 

Roughly 1/13/04 18:19, Jerry Newton's monkeys randomly typed:
> There has been talk for years about how the automakers should "give" the
> diagnostic information and schematics to anyone that asks for them.

Do franchised dealers get this information for free, perhaps due to
some oddball quirk of warranty law, or does the dealer also have to
pay for this stuff?

One could make the argument that the dealer pays for this material in
the form of the money that changes hands between them and the maker...

I have some difficulty grasping the logic that the manufacturer should
offer this information for free, although I can agree that it should
be available, including service bulletins, for reasonable cost.

I've run into two types of independent shops that tend to be
consistently better than dealers.

The first is the specialty shop, and in every case I've run into,
it was owned and operated by a very senior mechanic and/or service
manager from a dealer. Have even been referred to these shops
by the local dealers for particularly oddball problems. e.g. the
Volvo specialist down in Torrance Ca, owned by Peter, a former
mktg manager of Volvo, who has the original Car of the Year trophy
for the turbovolvo on his desk.

The other is the specialty high tech shop. These are typically
owned and operated by folks with masters degrees in mech engineering
[or better] who run the shop for the love of it. And tend to be
cleaner than the typical hospital surgery. Tend to specialize in
blueprinting, etc. etc. and are almost always higher priced than
the local dealers.

Then there are the in betweens, which in my experience have varied
from really surprisingly good [oddly enough all of those level have
had good relationships with the local dealers] to just flat out
incompetent and occasionally ripoff. Not surprisingly, most of
this bottom feeder class tend to badmouth the local dealers.