Old Crow

On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 08:43:03 GMT, "Nathan Collier"
<JeepMail@7SlotGrille.com> wrote:

>"Jerry Newton" <figatmcttelecom.com> wrote in message
>news:4004a4f7_1@newspeer2.tds.net...
>> They don't "do it because they can", Nathan.
>
>ive seen far to many examples of dealership abuse to buy any dealership sob
>stories about overhead and expenses. a large portion of the expense may be
>justified, but a lot of it goes to pay for dealership inefficiency and
>ineptness.

I've got news for you Nate. If I screw up a car at my shop because I
don't know what I'm doing, or make an honest mistake, I get to fix the
comeback for free.
Usually, in the dealerships I've worked at for the last 20 years, the
inefficiency and ineptness are confined to the departments on the
other side of two doors...the one to the parts dept. and the one
leading to the showroom.
You can't blame the guys in the blue shirts for the lies that the
dude in the suit told you.
--
Old Crow
'82 Shovelhead FLT 92" 'Pearl'
'95 Jeep YJ Rio Grande
ASE Certified Master Auto Tech + L1
TOMKAT, BS#133, SENS, MAMBM, DOF#51

mctiger

Also do not forget buying tools( snap on,mac,ect) .Also boots that are
needed. There are always new tools for new vechicles-without them
sometimes the job takes longer.Also hope the shop helper drains the
air tank of water(moisture) the night before! In New Jersey the shop
rate is $90.00 an hour.Also anything under half hour is charged an
hour.



On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 04:24:00 -0600, Old Crow <walliscrow@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>On Tue, 13 Jan 2004 09:31:21 -0800, "William Oliveri"
><wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote:
>
>>Hi all,
>> I've recently been wondering, I've taken my jeep to a business where they
>>charge 75.00 per hour for the mechanic's labor. I'm curious what take does
>>the mechanic get from that charge? I guess the business owner probably has
>>to pay various things to have the mechanic work there so I'm sure he's not
>>getting the full 75.00. Anyone who's a mechanic or anyone who knows please
>>feel free to respond.
>
>Our shop rate is $70 an hour. My cut of that $70 is $18.
>I pay my own health ins.
>I pay my own uniforms,
>And of course I pay my own tool bill. (the average box in our shop is
>worth in excess of $25,000)
>The shop supplies compressed air, stalls to work in, a couple of
>lifts, lights and heat.
>I drive a '95 YJ(165,000 miles),my wife drives a '93 XJ(167,000
>miles), and my boss and his wife both drive BMW's.

Have sence,patience,and self-restrain,and no mischief will come.

mctiger

Also do not forget buying tools( snap on,mac,ect) .Also boots that are
needed. There are always new tools for new vechicles-without them
sometimes the job takes longer.Also hope the shop helper drains the
air tank of water(moisture) the night before! In New Jersey the shop
rate is $90.00 an hour.Also anything under half hour is charged an
hour.



On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 04:24:00 -0600, Old Crow <walliscrow@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>On Tue, 13 Jan 2004 09:31:21 -0800, "William Oliveri"
><wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote:
>
>>Hi all,
>> I've recently been wondering, I've taken my jeep to a business where they
>>charge 75.00 per hour for the mechanic's labor. I'm curious what take does
>>the mechanic get from that charge? I guess the business owner probably has
>>to pay various things to have the mechanic work there so I'm sure he's not
>>getting the full 75.00. Anyone who's a mechanic or anyone who knows please
>>feel free to respond.
>
>Our shop rate is $70 an hour. My cut of that $70 is $18.
>I pay my own health ins.
>I pay my own uniforms,
>And of course I pay my own tool bill. (the average box in our shop is
>worth in excess of $25,000)
>The shop supplies compressed air, stalls to work in, a couple of
>lifts, lights and heat.
>I drive a '95 YJ(165,000 miles),my wife drives a '93 XJ(167,000
>miles), and my boss and his wife both drive BMW's.

Have sence,patience,and self-restrain,and no mischief will come.

mctiger

Also do not forget buying tools( snap on,mac,ect) .Also boots that are
needed. There are always new tools for new vechicles-without them
sometimes the job takes longer.Also hope the shop helper drains the
air tank of water(moisture) the night before! In New Jersey the shop
rate is $90.00 an hour.Also anything under half hour is charged an
hour.



On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 04:24:00 -0600, Old Crow <walliscrow@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>On Tue, 13 Jan 2004 09:31:21 -0800, "William Oliveri"
><wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote:
>
>>Hi all,
>> I've recently been wondering, I've taken my jeep to a business where they
>>charge 75.00 per hour for the mechanic's labor. I'm curious what take does
>>the mechanic get from that charge? I guess the business owner probably has
>>to pay various things to have the mechanic work there so I'm sure he's not
>>getting the full 75.00. Anyone who's a mechanic or anyone who knows please
>>feel free to respond.
>
>Our shop rate is $70 an hour. My cut of that $70 is $18.
>I pay my own health ins.
>I pay my own uniforms,
>And of course I pay my own tool bill. (the average box in our shop is
>worth in excess of $25,000)
>The shop supplies compressed air, stalls to work in, a couple of
>lifts, lights and heat.
>I drive a '95 YJ(165,000 miles),my wife drives a '93 XJ(167,000
>miles), and my boss and his wife both drive BMW's.

Have sence,patience,and self-restrain,and no mischief will come.

twaldron

Thanks in advance for that!! :)

Jerry Newton wrote:

SNIP
> P.S. I am always glad to help someone in need of factory service
> information. Anytime that anyone in the group needs a schematic, I am
> pretty quick about fetching it up.

--
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tw
03 TJ Rubicon
01 XJ Sport

There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry

Pronunciation: 'jEp
Function: noun
Date: 1940

Etymology: probably from g. p. (abbreviation of general purpose)
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
World War II.

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twaldron

Thanks in advance for that!! :)

Jerry Newton wrote:

SNIP
> P.S. I am always glad to help someone in need of factory service
> information. Anytime that anyone in the group needs a schematic, I am
> pretty quick about fetching it up.

--
__________________________________________________ _________
tw
03 TJ Rubicon
01 XJ Sport

There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry

Pronunciation: 'jEp
Function: noun
Date: 1940

Etymology: probably from g. p. (abbreviation of general purpose)
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
World War II.

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twaldron

Thanks in advance for that!! :)

Jerry Newton wrote:

SNIP
> P.S. I am always glad to help someone in need of factory service
> information. Anytime that anyone in the group needs a schematic, I am
> pretty quick about fetching it up.

--
__________________________________________________ _________
tw
03 TJ Rubicon
01 XJ Sport

There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry

Pronunciation: 'jEp
Function: noun
Date: 1940

Etymology: probably from g. p. (abbreviation of general purpose)
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
World War II.

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twaldron

Old Crow wrote:
> I've got news for you Nate. If I screw up a car at my shop because I
> don't know what I'm doing, or make an honest mistake, I get to fix the
> comeback for free.

Then your shop is very unusual. I've seen many situations where the
customer is charged for both repairs regardless, and I've seen many
situations where the shop offers to do the second repair (often much
cheaper) for free while gouging for the first screw up.

> Usually, in the dealerships I've worked at for the last 20 years, the
> inefficiency and ineptness are confined to the departments on the
> other side of two doors...the one to the parts dept. and the one
> leading to the showroom.

Service managers and advisors can be a huge problem.

> You can't blame the guys in the blue shirts for the lies that the
> dude in the suit told you.

Right, you can't and you shouldn't. If you believe the lies from the
guys in the suits, you've got other issues and you paid way too much for
the car to begin with.

--
__________________________________________________ _________
tw
03 TJ Rubicon
01 XJ Sport

There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry

Pronunciation: 'jEp
Function: noun
Date: 1940

Etymology: probably from g. p. (abbreviation of general purpose)
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
World War II.

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twaldron

Old Crow wrote:
> I've got news for you Nate. If I screw up a car at my shop because I
> don't know what I'm doing, or make an honest mistake, I get to fix the
> comeback for free.

Then your shop is very unusual. I've seen many situations where the
customer is charged for both repairs regardless, and I've seen many
situations where the shop offers to do the second repair (often much
cheaper) for free while gouging for the first screw up.

> Usually, in the dealerships I've worked at for the last 20 years, the
> inefficiency and ineptness are confined to the departments on the
> other side of two doors...the one to the parts dept. and the one
> leading to the showroom.

Service managers and advisors can be a huge problem.

> You can't blame the guys in the blue shirts for the lies that the
> dude in the suit told you.

Right, you can't and you shouldn't. If you believe the lies from the
guys in the suits, you've got other issues and you paid way too much for
the car to begin with.

--
__________________________________________________ _________
tw
03 TJ Rubicon
01 XJ Sport

There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry

Pronunciation: 'jEp
Function: noun
Date: 1940

Etymology: probably from g. p. (abbreviation of general purpose)
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
World War II.

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twaldron

Old Crow wrote:
> I've got news for you Nate. If I screw up a car at my shop because I
> don't know what I'm doing, or make an honest mistake, I get to fix the
> comeback for free.

Then your shop is very unusual. I've seen many situations where the
customer is charged for both repairs regardless, and I've seen many
situations where the shop offers to do the second repair (often much
cheaper) for free while gouging for the first screw up.

> Usually, in the dealerships I've worked at for the last 20 years, the
> inefficiency and ineptness are confined to the departments on the
> other side of two doors...the one to the parts dept. and the one
> leading to the showroom.

Service managers and advisors can be a huge problem.

> You can't blame the guys in the blue shirts for the lies that the
> dude in the suit told you.

Right, you can't and you shouldn't. If you believe the lies from the
guys in the suits, you've got other issues and you paid way too much for
the car to begin with.

--
__________________________________________________ _________
tw
03 TJ Rubicon
01 XJ Sport

There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry

Pronunciation: 'jEp
Function: noun
Date: 1940

Etymology: probably from g. p. (abbreviation of general purpose)
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
World War II.

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