weld-on accessories
10-14-2003, 10:21 PM
#51
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Re: weld-on accessories
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
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> Nathan, you didn't weld to the tractor's frame!
hi bill,
i was _there_ brother, im pretty sure i remember how it was done! look at
your own links bill, how often does "except by the manufacturer" appear?
licensed manufacturers can certainly weld their own frames. look at the
pivot braces on large dump trucks, youll find theyre welded.
now i suppose its possible things have changed a little in the past 15
years, but i doubt it. ill stop by godwin tomorrow and see how theyre doing
it now.
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com
news:3F8CA9E3.2745F4A5@***.net...
> Nathan, you didn't weld to the tractor's frame!
hi bill,
i was _there_ brother, im pretty sure i remember how it was done! look at
your own links bill, how often does "except by the manufacturer" appear?
licensed manufacturers can certainly weld their own frames. look at the
pivot braces on large dump trucks, youll find theyre welded.
now i suppose its possible things have changed a little in the past 15
years, but i doubt it. ill stop by godwin tomorrow and see how theyre doing
it now.
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com
10-14-2003, 10:21 PM
#52
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Re: weld-on accessories
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:3F8CA9E3.2745F4A5@***.net...
> Nathan, you didn't weld to the tractor's frame!
hi bill,
i was _there_ brother, im pretty sure i remember how it was done! look at
your own links bill, how often does "except by the manufacturer" appear?
licensed manufacturers can certainly weld their own frames. look at the
pivot braces on large dump trucks, youll find theyre welded.
now i suppose its possible things have changed a little in the past 15
years, but i doubt it. ill stop by godwin tomorrow and see how theyre doing
it now.
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com
news:3F8CA9E3.2745F4A5@***.net...
> Nathan, you didn't weld to the tractor's frame!
hi bill,
i was _there_ brother, im pretty sure i remember how it was done! look at
your own links bill, how often does "except by the manufacturer" appear?
licensed manufacturers can certainly weld their own frames. look at the
pivot braces on large dump trucks, youll find theyre welded.
now i suppose its possible things have changed a little in the past 15
years, but i doubt it. ill stop by godwin tomorrow and see how theyre doing
it now.
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com
10-14-2003, 10:32 PM
#53
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Re: weld-on accessories
The five and ten ton dumps I'm familiar with use U bolt mounted
rails over the frame, wood is even used to isolate.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Nathan Collier wrote:
>
> hi bill,
> i was _there_ brother, im pretty sure i remember how it was done! look at
> your own links bill, how often does "except by the manufacturer" appear?
> licensed manufacturers can certainly weld their own frames. look at the
> pivot braces on large dump trucks, youll find theyre welded.
>
> now i suppose its possible things have changed a little in the past 15
> years, but i doubt it. ill stop by godwin tomorrow and see how theyre doing
> it now.
>
> --
>
> Nathan W. Collier
> http://7SlotGrille.com
rails over the frame, wood is even used to isolate.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Nathan Collier wrote:
>
> hi bill,
> i was _there_ brother, im pretty sure i remember how it was done! look at
> your own links bill, how often does "except by the manufacturer" appear?
> licensed manufacturers can certainly weld their own frames. look at the
> pivot braces on large dump trucks, youll find theyre welded.
>
> now i suppose its possible things have changed a little in the past 15
> years, but i doubt it. ill stop by godwin tomorrow and see how theyre doing
> it now.
>
> --
>
> Nathan W. Collier
> http://7SlotGrille.com
10-14-2003, 10:32 PM
#54
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Posts: n/a
Re: weld-on accessories
The five and ten ton dumps I'm familiar with use U bolt mounted
rails over the frame, wood is even used to isolate.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Nathan Collier wrote:
>
> hi bill,
> i was _there_ brother, im pretty sure i remember how it was done! look at
> your own links bill, how often does "except by the manufacturer" appear?
> licensed manufacturers can certainly weld their own frames. look at the
> pivot braces on large dump trucks, youll find theyre welded.
>
> now i suppose its possible things have changed a little in the past 15
> years, but i doubt it. ill stop by godwin tomorrow and see how theyre doing
> it now.
>
> --
>
> Nathan W. Collier
> http://7SlotGrille.com
rails over the frame, wood is even used to isolate.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Nathan Collier wrote:
>
> hi bill,
> i was _there_ brother, im pretty sure i remember how it was done! look at
> your own links bill, how often does "except by the manufacturer" appear?
> licensed manufacturers can certainly weld their own frames. look at the
> pivot braces on large dump trucks, youll find theyre welded.
>
> now i suppose its possible things have changed a little in the past 15
> years, but i doubt it. ill stop by godwin tomorrow and see how theyre doing
> it now.
>
> --
>
> Nathan W. Collier
> http://7SlotGrille.com
10-14-2003, 10:32 PM
#55
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: weld-on accessories
The five and ten ton dumps I'm familiar with use U bolt mounted
rails over the frame, wood is even used to isolate.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Nathan Collier wrote:
>
> hi bill,
> i was _there_ brother, im pretty sure i remember how it was done! look at
> your own links bill, how often does "except by the manufacturer" appear?
> licensed manufacturers can certainly weld their own frames. look at the
> pivot braces on large dump trucks, youll find theyre welded.
>
> now i suppose its possible things have changed a little in the past 15
> years, but i doubt it. ill stop by godwin tomorrow and see how theyre doing
> it now.
>
> --
>
> Nathan W. Collier
> http://7SlotGrille.com
rails over the frame, wood is even used to isolate.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Nathan Collier wrote:
>
> hi bill,
> i was _there_ brother, im pretty sure i remember how it was done! look at
> your own links bill, how often does "except by the manufacturer" appear?
> licensed manufacturers can certainly weld their own frames. look at the
> pivot braces on large dump trucks, youll find theyre welded.
>
> now i suppose its possible things have changed a little in the past 15
> years, but i doubt it. ill stop by godwin tomorrow and see how theyre doing
> it now.
>
> --
>
> Nathan W. Collier
> http://7SlotGrille.com
10-15-2003, 01:32 AM
#56
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Re: weld-on accessories
This MIGHT be workable on the TJ/YJ but the XJ uses a high strength
heat treated frame extension up by the motor mounts and on to the
bumper - welding to that is a real no-no.
On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 14:34:46 UTC "JimG" <jimg@cj7.com> wrote:
> In our circle of Jeepers, welding to the frame is a "no-no". We like bolt
> on accessories. If you can't find a bolt hole, drill one.
> My $0.02
>
> --
> JimG
> 80' CJ-7, 258 CID
> 35" BFG MT's on 15x10 Centerlines
> 4.56 D30-D44 SOA
> D300 w/4:1 & Currie twin sticks
> Warn 8000i w/dual batteries
> LockRight F&R
>
>
> "Nathan Collier" <JeepMail@7SlotGrille.com> wrote in message
> news:htKib.1580$En4.1384@twister.southeast.rr.com. ..
> > i wanna sample the market a little bit to help with some designs im
> working
> > on. im really curious if you as jeepers would be interested in bumpers
> that
> > weld to the frame instead of bolting? what if such a bumper was stronger
> > than what is currently avialable yet much cheaper? assume the design was
> > such that you couldnt destroy the bumper if you tried. how about sliders
> > that also weld on instead of bolt?
> > thanks,
> >
> > --
> >
> > Nathan W. Collier
> > http://7SlotGrille.com
> >
> >
>
>
--
Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
heat treated frame extension up by the motor mounts and on to the
bumper - welding to that is a real no-no.
On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 14:34:46 UTC "JimG" <jimg@cj7.com> wrote:
> In our circle of Jeepers, welding to the frame is a "no-no". We like bolt
> on accessories. If you can't find a bolt hole, drill one.
> My $0.02
>
> --
> JimG
> 80' CJ-7, 258 CID
> 35" BFG MT's on 15x10 Centerlines
> 4.56 D30-D44 SOA
> D300 w/4:1 & Currie twin sticks
> Warn 8000i w/dual batteries
> LockRight F&R
>
>
> "Nathan Collier" <JeepMail@7SlotGrille.com> wrote in message
> news:htKib.1580$En4.1384@twister.southeast.rr.com. ..
> > i wanna sample the market a little bit to help with some designs im
> working
> > on. im really curious if you as jeepers would be interested in bumpers
> that
> > weld to the frame instead of bolting? what if such a bumper was stronger
> > than what is currently avialable yet much cheaper? assume the design was
> > such that you couldnt destroy the bumper if you tried. how about sliders
> > that also weld on instead of bolt?
> > thanks,
> >
> > --
> >
> > Nathan W. Collier
> > http://7SlotGrille.com
> >
> >
>
>
--
Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
10-15-2003, 01:32 AM
#57
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Re: weld-on accessories
This MIGHT be workable on the TJ/YJ but the XJ uses a high strength
heat treated frame extension up by the motor mounts and on to the
bumper - welding to that is a real no-no.
On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 14:34:46 UTC "JimG" <jimg@cj7.com> wrote:
> In our circle of Jeepers, welding to the frame is a "no-no". We like bolt
> on accessories. If you can't find a bolt hole, drill one.
> My $0.02
>
> --
> JimG
> 80' CJ-7, 258 CID
> 35" BFG MT's on 15x10 Centerlines
> 4.56 D30-D44 SOA
> D300 w/4:1 & Currie twin sticks
> Warn 8000i w/dual batteries
> LockRight F&R
>
>
> "Nathan Collier" <JeepMail@7SlotGrille.com> wrote in message
> news:htKib.1580$En4.1384@twister.southeast.rr.com. ..
> > i wanna sample the market a little bit to help with some designs im
> working
> > on. im really curious if you as jeepers would be interested in bumpers
> that
> > weld to the frame instead of bolting? what if such a bumper was stronger
> > than what is currently avialable yet much cheaper? assume the design was
> > such that you couldnt destroy the bumper if you tried. how about sliders
> > that also weld on instead of bolt?
> > thanks,
> >
> > --
> >
> > Nathan W. Collier
> > http://7SlotGrille.com
> >
> >
>
>
--
Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
heat treated frame extension up by the motor mounts and on to the
bumper - welding to that is a real no-no.
On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 14:34:46 UTC "JimG" <jimg@cj7.com> wrote:
> In our circle of Jeepers, welding to the frame is a "no-no". We like bolt
> on accessories. If you can't find a bolt hole, drill one.
> My $0.02
>
> --
> JimG
> 80' CJ-7, 258 CID
> 35" BFG MT's on 15x10 Centerlines
> 4.56 D30-D44 SOA
> D300 w/4:1 & Currie twin sticks
> Warn 8000i w/dual batteries
> LockRight F&R
>
>
> "Nathan Collier" <JeepMail@7SlotGrille.com> wrote in message
> news:htKib.1580$En4.1384@twister.southeast.rr.com. ..
> > i wanna sample the market a little bit to help with some designs im
> working
> > on. im really curious if you as jeepers would be interested in bumpers
> that
> > weld to the frame instead of bolting? what if such a bumper was stronger
> > than what is currently avialable yet much cheaper? assume the design was
> > such that you couldnt destroy the bumper if you tried. how about sliders
> > that also weld on instead of bolt?
> > thanks,
> >
> > --
> >
> > Nathan W. Collier
> > http://7SlotGrille.com
> >
> >
>
>
--
Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
10-15-2003, 01:32 AM
#58
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Re: weld-on accessories
This MIGHT be workable on the TJ/YJ but the XJ uses a high strength
heat treated frame extension up by the motor mounts and on to the
bumper - welding to that is a real no-no.
On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 14:34:46 UTC "JimG" <jimg@cj7.com> wrote:
> In our circle of Jeepers, welding to the frame is a "no-no". We like bolt
> on accessories. If you can't find a bolt hole, drill one.
> My $0.02
>
> --
> JimG
> 80' CJ-7, 258 CID
> 35" BFG MT's on 15x10 Centerlines
> 4.56 D30-D44 SOA
> D300 w/4:1 & Currie twin sticks
> Warn 8000i w/dual batteries
> LockRight F&R
>
>
> "Nathan Collier" <JeepMail@7SlotGrille.com> wrote in message
> news:htKib.1580$En4.1384@twister.southeast.rr.com. ..
> > i wanna sample the market a little bit to help with some designs im
> working
> > on. im really curious if you as jeepers would be interested in bumpers
> that
> > weld to the frame instead of bolting? what if such a bumper was stronger
> > than what is currently avialable yet much cheaper? assume the design was
> > such that you couldnt destroy the bumper if you tried. how about sliders
> > that also weld on instead of bolt?
> > thanks,
> >
> > --
> >
> > Nathan W. Collier
> > http://7SlotGrille.com
> >
> >
>
>
--
Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
heat treated frame extension up by the motor mounts and on to the
bumper - welding to that is a real no-no.
On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 14:34:46 UTC "JimG" <jimg@cj7.com> wrote:
> In our circle of Jeepers, welding to the frame is a "no-no". We like bolt
> on accessories. If you can't find a bolt hole, drill one.
> My $0.02
>
> --
> JimG
> 80' CJ-7, 258 CID
> 35" BFG MT's on 15x10 Centerlines
> 4.56 D30-D44 SOA
> D300 w/4:1 & Currie twin sticks
> Warn 8000i w/dual batteries
> LockRight F&R
>
>
> "Nathan Collier" <JeepMail@7SlotGrille.com> wrote in message
> news:htKib.1580$En4.1384@twister.southeast.rr.com. ..
> > i wanna sample the market a little bit to help with some designs im
> working
> > on. im really curious if you as jeepers would be interested in bumpers
> that
> > weld to the frame instead of bolting? what if such a bumper was stronger
> > than what is currently avialable yet much cheaper? assume the design was
> > such that you couldnt destroy the bumper if you tried. how about sliders
> > that also weld on instead of bolt?
> > thanks,
> >
> > --
> >
> > Nathan W. Collier
> > http://7SlotGrille.com
> >
> >
>
>
--
Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
10-15-2003, 01:32 AM
#59
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Re: weld-on accessories
The old International I drove for a while had notices stamped all over
the frame that expressly prohibited any welding on the frame rails.
On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 23:24:00 UTC "Nathan Collier"
<JeepMail@7SlotGrille.com> wrote:
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:3F8C7685.1258A9BF@***.net...
> > Just in case you're tempted to weld to a friend commercial truck,
> > know you can't per Department of Transportation:
> > http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rulesregs/f...gs/393.201.htm
>
> hi bill,
> welding is not excluded _anywhere_ on that page. the closest that youll see
> is "d) All accessories mounted to the truck tractor frame must be bolted or
> riveted." but even that does not exclude welding the truck frame. once
> something is welded to the frame it is an integral part of the structure
> anyway, it is not an "accessory". the accessories referenced would include
> fuel tanks, hangers, air tanks, etc.
>
> > And pretty
> > much any welded repair will deadline the truck:
> > http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rulesregs/fmcsr/regs/appng.htm
>
> welding is referenced many times in that page as well.
> "(b) Any welds or parent metal cracked."
> "(d) Any slider component cracked in parent metal or weld."
> "(a) Any cracks in attachment welds."
> "(1) Any cracks in welds attaching disc wheel disc to rim."
> "(2) Any crack in welds attaching tubeless demountable rim to adapter."
> "Appendix G rejects vehicles with any fifth wheel mounting fastener missing
> or ineffective. The out of service criteria allows up to 20% missing or
> ineffective fasteners on frame mountings and pivot bracket mountings and 25%
> on sliderlatching fasteners. The out of service criteria also allows some
> latitude on cracked welds."
>
> etc. these are references to improper or broken welds, welding repairs are
> only excluded on certain things such as aluminum wheels and universal joints
> as i read it.
>
> > I had to use
> > Explorer to view these sites.
>
> you oughtta be using IE anyway. ;-)
>
>
--
Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
the frame that expressly prohibited any welding on the frame rails.
On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 23:24:00 UTC "Nathan Collier"
<JeepMail@7SlotGrille.com> wrote:
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:3F8C7685.1258A9BF@***.net...
> > Just in case you're tempted to weld to a friend commercial truck,
> > know you can't per Department of Transportation:
> > http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rulesregs/f...gs/393.201.htm
>
> hi bill,
> welding is not excluded _anywhere_ on that page. the closest that youll see
> is "d) All accessories mounted to the truck tractor frame must be bolted or
> riveted." but even that does not exclude welding the truck frame. once
> something is welded to the frame it is an integral part of the structure
> anyway, it is not an "accessory". the accessories referenced would include
> fuel tanks, hangers, air tanks, etc.
>
> > And pretty
> > much any welded repair will deadline the truck:
> > http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rulesregs/fmcsr/regs/appng.htm
>
> welding is referenced many times in that page as well.
> "(b) Any welds or parent metal cracked."
> "(d) Any slider component cracked in parent metal or weld."
> "(a) Any cracks in attachment welds."
> "(1) Any cracks in welds attaching disc wheel disc to rim."
> "(2) Any crack in welds attaching tubeless demountable rim to adapter."
> "Appendix G rejects vehicles with any fifth wheel mounting fastener missing
> or ineffective. The out of service criteria allows up to 20% missing or
> ineffective fasteners on frame mountings and pivot bracket mountings and 25%
> on sliderlatching fasteners. The out of service criteria also allows some
> latitude on cracked welds."
>
> etc. these are references to improper or broken welds, welding repairs are
> only excluded on certain things such as aluminum wheels and universal joints
> as i read it.
>
> > I had to use
> > Explorer to view these sites.
>
> you oughtta be using IE anyway. ;-)
>
>
--
Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
10-15-2003, 01:32 AM
#60
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: weld-on accessories
The old International I drove for a while had notices stamped all over
the frame that expressly prohibited any welding on the frame rails.
On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 23:24:00 UTC "Nathan Collier"
<JeepMail@7SlotGrille.com> wrote:
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:3F8C7685.1258A9BF@***.net...
> > Just in case you're tempted to weld to a friend commercial truck,
> > know you can't per Department of Transportation:
> > http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rulesregs/f...gs/393.201.htm
>
> hi bill,
> welding is not excluded _anywhere_ on that page. the closest that youll see
> is "d) All accessories mounted to the truck tractor frame must be bolted or
> riveted." but even that does not exclude welding the truck frame. once
> something is welded to the frame it is an integral part of the structure
> anyway, it is not an "accessory". the accessories referenced would include
> fuel tanks, hangers, air tanks, etc.
>
> > And pretty
> > much any welded repair will deadline the truck:
> > http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rulesregs/fmcsr/regs/appng.htm
>
> welding is referenced many times in that page as well.
> "(b) Any welds or parent metal cracked."
> "(d) Any slider component cracked in parent metal or weld."
> "(a) Any cracks in attachment welds."
> "(1) Any cracks in welds attaching disc wheel disc to rim."
> "(2) Any crack in welds attaching tubeless demountable rim to adapter."
> "Appendix G rejects vehicles with any fifth wheel mounting fastener missing
> or ineffective. The out of service criteria allows up to 20% missing or
> ineffective fasteners on frame mountings and pivot bracket mountings and 25%
> on sliderlatching fasteners. The out of service criteria also allows some
> latitude on cracked welds."
>
> etc. these are references to improper or broken welds, welding repairs are
> only excluded on certain things such as aluminum wheels and universal joints
> as i read it.
>
> > I had to use
> > Explorer to view these sites.
>
> you oughtta be using IE anyway. ;-)
>
>
--
Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
the frame that expressly prohibited any welding on the frame rails.
On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 23:24:00 UTC "Nathan Collier"
<JeepMail@7SlotGrille.com> wrote:
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:3F8C7685.1258A9BF@***.net...
> > Just in case you're tempted to weld to a friend commercial truck,
> > know you can't per Department of Transportation:
> > http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rulesregs/f...gs/393.201.htm
>
> hi bill,
> welding is not excluded _anywhere_ on that page. the closest that youll see
> is "d) All accessories mounted to the truck tractor frame must be bolted or
> riveted." but even that does not exclude welding the truck frame. once
> something is welded to the frame it is an integral part of the structure
> anyway, it is not an "accessory". the accessories referenced would include
> fuel tanks, hangers, air tanks, etc.
>
> > And pretty
> > much any welded repair will deadline the truck:
> > http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rulesregs/fmcsr/regs/appng.htm
>
> welding is referenced many times in that page as well.
> "(b) Any welds or parent metal cracked."
> "(d) Any slider component cracked in parent metal or weld."
> "(a) Any cracks in attachment welds."
> "(1) Any cracks in welds attaching disc wheel disc to rim."
> "(2) Any crack in welds attaching tubeless demountable rim to adapter."
> "Appendix G rejects vehicles with any fifth wheel mounting fastener missing
> or ineffective. The out of service criteria allows up to 20% missing or
> ineffective fasteners on frame mountings and pivot bracket mountings and 25%
> on sliderlatching fasteners. The out of service criteria also allows some
> latitude on cracked welds."
>
> etc. these are references to improper or broken welds, welding repairs are
> only excluded on certain things such as aluminum wheels and universal joints
> as i read it.
>
> > I had to use
> > Explorer to view these sites.
>
> you oughtta be using IE anyway. ;-)
>
>
--
Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
