Gordon

I also agree welding is stronger, but a solid welded frame on a Jeep or
truck will crack over a period of time, it may not crack in the weld but it
will crack. Metal needs to have a relief point to allow for expansion and
contraction, also relief from vibration. Bolting/Riviting cross members and
stiffiners allows this to happen, solid welds won't.. A trail Jeep that sees
a few thousand miles a year may get away with welds, but a daily driver I
wouln't weld on.

If you do weld to your Jeep be sure it has a good ground, disconnect the
battery,Alt, and computer.

Gordon

Gordon

I also agree welding is stronger, but a solid welded frame on a Jeep or
truck will crack over a period of time, it may not crack in the weld but it
will crack. Metal needs to have a relief point to allow for expansion and
contraction, also relief from vibration. Bolting/Riviting cross members and
stiffiners allows this to happen, solid welds won't.. A trail Jeep that sees
a few thousand miles a year may get away with welds, but a daily driver I
wouln't weld on.

If you do weld to your Jeep be sure it has a good ground, disconnect the
battery,Alt, and computer.

Gordon

MikeG

Hi Nathan,
I don't think it is a good idea to make the bumper to 'strong'. The whole
idea behind a bumper is to absorb an impact. If the bumper is bullet proof,
all the impact will be transferred to the frame and jeep. It's alot cheaper
to replace a bumper than deal with a tweaked frame.
MikeG


"Nathan Collier" <JeepMail@7SlotGrille.com> wrote in message
news:htKib.1580$En4.1384@twister.southeast.rr.com. ..
> i wanna sample the market a little bit to help with some designs im
working
> on. im really curious if you as jeepers would be interested in bumpers
that
> weld to the frame instead of bolting? what if such a bumper was stronger
> than what is currently avialable yet much cheaper? assume the design was
> such that you couldnt destroy the bumper if you tried. how about sliders
> that also weld on instead of bolt?
> thanks,
>
> --
>
> Nathan W. Collier
> http://7SlotGrille.com
>
>

MikeG

Hi Nathan,
I don't think it is a good idea to make the bumper to 'strong'. The whole
idea behind a bumper is to absorb an impact. If the bumper is bullet proof,
all the impact will be transferred to the frame and jeep. It's alot cheaper
to replace a bumper than deal with a tweaked frame.
MikeG


"Nathan Collier" <JeepMail@7SlotGrille.com> wrote in message
news:htKib.1580$En4.1384@twister.southeast.rr.com. ..
> i wanna sample the market a little bit to help with some designs im
working
> on. im really curious if you as jeepers would be interested in bumpers
that
> weld to the frame instead of bolting? what if such a bumper was stronger
> than what is currently avialable yet much cheaper? assume the design was
> such that you couldnt destroy the bumper if you tried. how about sliders
> that also weld on instead of bolt?
> thanks,
>
> --
>
> Nathan W. Collier
> http://7SlotGrille.com
>
>

MikeG

Hi Nathan,
I don't think it is a good idea to make the bumper to 'strong'. The whole
idea behind a bumper is to absorb an impact. If the bumper is bullet proof,
all the impact will be transferred to the frame and jeep. It's alot cheaper
to replace a bumper than deal with a tweaked frame.
MikeG


"Nathan Collier" <JeepMail@7SlotGrille.com> wrote in message
news:htKib.1580$En4.1384@twister.southeast.rr.com. ..
> i wanna sample the market a little bit to help with some designs im
working
> on. im really curious if you as jeepers would be interested in bumpers
that
> weld to the frame instead of bolting? what if such a bumper was stronger
> than what is currently avialable yet much cheaper? assume the design was
> such that you couldnt destroy the bumper if you tried. how about sliders
> that also weld on instead of bolt?
> thanks,
>
> --
>
> Nathan W. Collier
> http://7SlotGrille.com
>
>

aGraham

And how would you feel if someone bought your bumper, welded it on, and
it came off and hurt/killed someone. I know you may not be legally
responsible but it still was your design. You can guarantee the welds
in the bumper are done correctly, but not the attachment points. It is
alot easier for Joe-Schmoe to use quality bolts than it is make a
quality weld.

Just my 2 cents.


In article <f40ed0ca.0310141207.fdc6f8@posting.google.com>,
kenaifishn@ifish.net (Gordon) wrote:

> I also agree welding is stronger, but a solid welded frame on a Jeep or
> truck will crack over a period of time, it may not crack in the weld but it
> will crack. Metal needs to have a relief point to allow for expansion and
> contraction, also relief from vibration. Bolting/Riviting cross members and
> stiffiners allows this to happen, solid welds won't.. A trail Jeep that sees
> a few thousand miles a year may get away with welds, but a daily driver I
> wouln't weld on.
>
> If you do weld to your Jeep be sure it has a good ground, disconnect the
> battery,Alt, and computer.
>
> Gordon

--
o_o_o_o
/| ,[_____],
|ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)

aGraham

And how would you feel if someone bought your bumper, welded it on, and
it came off and hurt/killed someone. I know you may not be legally
responsible but it still was your design. You can guarantee the welds
in the bumper are done correctly, but not the attachment points. It is
alot easier for Joe-Schmoe to use quality bolts than it is make a
quality weld.

Just my 2 cents.


In article <f40ed0ca.0310141207.fdc6f8@posting.google.com>,
kenaifishn@ifish.net (Gordon) wrote:

> I also agree welding is stronger, but a solid welded frame on a Jeep or
> truck will crack over a period of time, it may not crack in the weld but it
> will crack. Metal needs to have a relief point to allow for expansion and
> contraction, also relief from vibration. Bolting/Riviting cross members and
> stiffiners allows this to happen, solid welds won't.. A trail Jeep that sees
> a few thousand miles a year may get away with welds, but a daily driver I
> wouln't weld on.
>
> If you do weld to your Jeep be sure it has a good ground, disconnect the
> battery,Alt, and computer.
>
> Gordon

--
o_o_o_o
/| ,[_____],
|ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)

aGraham

And how would you feel if someone bought your bumper, welded it on, and
it came off and hurt/killed someone. I know you may not be legally
responsible but it still was your design. You can guarantee the welds
in the bumper are done correctly, but not the attachment points. It is
alot easier for Joe-Schmoe to use quality bolts than it is make a
quality weld.

Just my 2 cents.


In article <f40ed0ca.0310141207.fdc6f8@posting.google.com>,
kenaifishn@ifish.net (Gordon) wrote:

> I also agree welding is stronger, but a solid welded frame on a Jeep or
> truck will crack over a period of time, it may not crack in the weld but it
> will crack. Metal needs to have a relief point to allow for expansion and
> contraction, also relief from vibration. Bolting/Riviting cross members and
> stiffiners allows this to happen, solid welds won't.. A trail Jeep that sees
> a few thousand miles a year may get away with welds, but a daily driver I
> wouln't weld on.
>
> If you do weld to your Jeep be sure it has a good ground, disconnect the
> battery,Alt, and computer.
>
> Gordon

--
o_o_o_o
/| ,[_____],
|ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)

Dave Milne

and yourself !

--
Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara

"MikeG" <boo@hoo.com> wrote in message
news:voonilqh871225@corp.supernews.com...
If the bumper is bullet proof, all the impact will be transferred to the
frame and jeep.

Dave Milne

and yourself !

--
Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara

"MikeG" <boo@hoo.com> wrote in message
news:voonilqh871225@corp.supernews.com...
If the bumper is bullet proof, all the impact will be transferred to the
frame and jeep.