weld-on accessories
#11
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Re: weld-on accessories
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
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> Sorry to throw some cold water on your bumper business, but you
> know all welds will eventual crack and fail
sorry bill, but all welds do not eventually crack and fail. contaminated
welds are more likely to fail eventually, but a properly welded joint should
last indefinately.
> Should be easy enough to weld brackets to find existing bolts
> or holes in the stock TJ frame.
agreed. i really wasnt trying to save any effort, but to offer something a
little different as a possibility.
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com
news:3F8B8CB2.64407B55@***.net...
> Sorry to throw some cold water on your bumper business, but you
> know all welds will eventual crack and fail
sorry bill, but all welds do not eventually crack and fail. contaminated
welds are more likely to fail eventually, but a properly welded joint should
last indefinately.
> Should be easy enough to weld brackets to find existing bolts
> or holes in the stock TJ frame.
agreed. i really wasnt trying to save any effort, but to offer something a
little different as a possibility.
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com
#12
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Re: weld-on accessories
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
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> Sorry to throw some cold water on your bumper business, but you
> know all welds will eventual crack and fail
sorry bill, but all welds do not eventually crack and fail. contaminated
welds are more likely to fail eventually, but a properly welded joint should
last indefinately.
> Should be easy enough to weld brackets to find existing bolts
> or holes in the stock TJ frame.
agreed. i really wasnt trying to save any effort, but to offer something a
little different as a possibility.
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com
news:3F8B8CB2.64407B55@***.net...
> Sorry to throw some cold water on your bumper business, but you
> know all welds will eventual crack and fail
sorry bill, but all welds do not eventually crack and fail. contaminated
welds are more likely to fail eventually, but a properly welded joint should
last indefinately.
> Should be easy enough to weld brackets to find existing bolts
> or holes in the stock TJ frame.
agreed. i really wasnt trying to save any effort, but to offer something a
little different as a possibility.
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com
#13
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Re: weld-on accessories
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:3F8B8CB2.64407B55@***.net...
> Sorry to throw some cold water on your bumper business, but you
> know all welds will eventual crack and fail
sorry bill, but all welds do not eventually crack and fail. contaminated
welds are more likely to fail eventually, but a properly welded joint should
last indefinately.
> Should be easy enough to weld brackets to find existing bolts
> or holes in the stock TJ frame.
agreed. i really wasnt trying to save any effort, but to offer something a
little different as a possibility.
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com
news:3F8B8CB2.64407B55@***.net...
> Sorry to throw some cold water on your bumper business, but you
> know all welds will eventual crack and fail
sorry bill, but all welds do not eventually crack and fail. contaminated
welds are more likely to fail eventually, but a properly welded joint should
last indefinately.
> Should be easy enough to weld brackets to find existing bolts
> or holes in the stock TJ frame.
agreed. i really wasnt trying to save any effort, but to offer something a
little different as a possibility.
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com
#14
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Re: weld-on accessories
In our circle of Jeepers, welding to the frame is a "no-no". We like bolt
on accessories. If you can't find a bolt hole, drill one.
My $0.02
--
JimG
80' CJ-7, 258 CID
35" BFG MT's on 15x10 Centerlines
4.56 D30-D44 SOA
D300 w/4:1 & Currie twin sticks
Warn 8000i w/dual batteries
LockRight F&R
"Nathan Collier" <JeepMail@7SlotGrille.com> wrote in message
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> i wanna sample the market a little bit to help with some designs im
working
> on. im really curious if you as jeepers would be interested in bumpers
that
> weld to the frame instead of bolting? what if such a bumper was stronger
> than what is currently avialable yet much cheaper? assume the design was
> such that you couldnt destroy the bumper if you tried. how about sliders
> that also weld on instead of bolt?
> thanks,
>
> --
>
> Nathan W. Collier
> http://7SlotGrille.com
>
>
on accessories. If you can't find a bolt hole, drill one.
My $0.02
--
JimG
80' CJ-7, 258 CID
35" BFG MT's on 15x10 Centerlines
4.56 D30-D44 SOA
D300 w/4:1 & Currie twin sticks
Warn 8000i w/dual batteries
LockRight F&R
"Nathan Collier" <JeepMail@7SlotGrille.com> wrote in message
news:htKib.1580$En4.1384@twister.southeast.rr.com. ..
> i wanna sample the market a little bit to help with some designs im
working
> on. im really curious if you as jeepers would be interested in bumpers
that
> weld to the frame instead of bolting? what if such a bumper was stronger
> than what is currently avialable yet much cheaper? assume the design was
> such that you couldnt destroy the bumper if you tried. how about sliders
> that also weld on instead of bolt?
> thanks,
>
> --
>
> Nathan W. Collier
> http://7SlotGrille.com
>
>
#15
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Re: weld-on accessories
In our circle of Jeepers, welding to the frame is a "no-no". We like bolt
on accessories. If you can't find a bolt hole, drill one.
My $0.02
--
JimG
80' CJ-7, 258 CID
35" BFG MT's on 15x10 Centerlines
4.56 D30-D44 SOA
D300 w/4:1 & Currie twin sticks
Warn 8000i w/dual batteries
LockRight F&R
"Nathan Collier" <JeepMail@7SlotGrille.com> wrote in message
news:htKib.1580$En4.1384@twister.southeast.rr.com. ..
> i wanna sample the market a little bit to help with some designs im
working
> on. im really curious if you as jeepers would be interested in bumpers
that
> weld to the frame instead of bolting? what if such a bumper was stronger
> than what is currently avialable yet much cheaper? assume the design was
> such that you couldnt destroy the bumper if you tried. how about sliders
> that also weld on instead of bolt?
> thanks,
>
> --
>
> Nathan W. Collier
> http://7SlotGrille.com
>
>
on accessories. If you can't find a bolt hole, drill one.
My $0.02
--
JimG
80' CJ-7, 258 CID
35" BFG MT's on 15x10 Centerlines
4.56 D30-D44 SOA
D300 w/4:1 & Currie twin sticks
Warn 8000i w/dual batteries
LockRight F&R
"Nathan Collier" <JeepMail@7SlotGrille.com> wrote in message
news:htKib.1580$En4.1384@twister.southeast.rr.com. ..
> i wanna sample the market a little bit to help with some designs im
working
> on. im really curious if you as jeepers would be interested in bumpers
that
> weld to the frame instead of bolting? what if such a bumper was stronger
> than what is currently avialable yet much cheaper? assume the design was
> such that you couldnt destroy the bumper if you tried. how about sliders
> that also weld on instead of bolt?
> thanks,
>
> --
>
> Nathan W. Collier
> http://7SlotGrille.com
>
>
#16
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Re: weld-on accessories
In our circle of Jeepers, welding to the frame is a "no-no". We like bolt
on accessories. If you can't find a bolt hole, drill one.
My $0.02
--
JimG
80' CJ-7, 258 CID
35" BFG MT's on 15x10 Centerlines
4.56 D30-D44 SOA
D300 w/4:1 & Currie twin sticks
Warn 8000i w/dual batteries
LockRight F&R
"Nathan Collier" <JeepMail@7SlotGrille.com> wrote in message
news:htKib.1580$En4.1384@twister.southeast.rr.com. ..
> i wanna sample the market a little bit to help with some designs im
working
> on. im really curious if you as jeepers would be interested in bumpers
that
> weld to the frame instead of bolting? what if such a bumper was stronger
> than what is currently avialable yet much cheaper? assume the design was
> such that you couldnt destroy the bumper if you tried. how about sliders
> that also weld on instead of bolt?
> thanks,
>
> --
>
> Nathan W. Collier
> http://7SlotGrille.com
>
>
on accessories. If you can't find a bolt hole, drill one.
My $0.02
--
JimG
80' CJ-7, 258 CID
35" BFG MT's on 15x10 Centerlines
4.56 D30-D44 SOA
D300 w/4:1 & Currie twin sticks
Warn 8000i w/dual batteries
LockRight F&R
"Nathan Collier" <JeepMail@7SlotGrille.com> wrote in message
news:htKib.1580$En4.1384@twister.southeast.rr.com. ..
> i wanna sample the market a little bit to help with some designs im
working
> on. im really curious if you as jeepers would be interested in bumpers
that
> weld to the frame instead of bolting? what if such a bumper was stronger
> than what is currently avialable yet much cheaper? assume the design was
> such that you couldnt destroy the bumper if you tried. how about sliders
> that also weld on instead of bolt?
> thanks,
>
> --
>
> Nathan W. Collier
> http://7SlotGrille.com
>
>
#17
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Re: weld-on accessories
I have to agree with Nathan. The mere physics of welding are inherently
better than bolting components together when it comes to structural
integrity.
We bolt to allow ease of removal/replacement and in some cases, to allow
bolt shearing to protect critical components. This make total sense
with imperfect humans at the wheel. However there are some things
that are never compromised to bolts for overall safety and integrity.
I have a self fabricated bumper myself and welded it on for the same
reason Nathan started this thread. I've also welded on my rocker guards.
I don't plan on changing them and it was easier than fabricating
brackets and drilling.
If I have to replace them I find a high speed grinder/cutoff tool my
tool of choice for seized bolts as well as welded components! ;-)
Cheers!
Perry
87YJ 36x12.5 MT Baja's Dana 44 w/4.88
Nathan Collier wrote:
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:3F8B8CB2.64407B55@***.net...
>
>> Sorry to throw some cold water on your bumper business, but you
>>know all welds will eventual crack and fail
>
>
> sorry bill, but all welds do not eventually crack and fail. contaminated
> welds are more likely to fail eventually, but a properly welded joint should
> last indefinately.
>
>
better than bolting components together when it comes to structural
integrity.
We bolt to allow ease of removal/replacement and in some cases, to allow
bolt shearing to protect critical components. This make total sense
with imperfect humans at the wheel. However there are some things
that are never compromised to bolts for overall safety and integrity.
I have a self fabricated bumper myself and welded it on for the same
reason Nathan started this thread. I've also welded on my rocker guards.
I don't plan on changing them and it was easier than fabricating
brackets and drilling.
If I have to replace them I find a high speed grinder/cutoff tool my
tool of choice for seized bolts as well as welded components! ;-)
Cheers!
Perry
87YJ 36x12.5 MT Baja's Dana 44 w/4.88
Nathan Collier wrote:
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:3F8B8CB2.64407B55@***.net...
>
>> Sorry to throw some cold water on your bumper business, but you
>>know all welds will eventual crack and fail
>
>
> sorry bill, but all welds do not eventually crack and fail. contaminated
> welds are more likely to fail eventually, but a properly welded joint should
> last indefinately.
>
>
#18
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Re: weld-on accessories
I have to agree with Nathan. The mere physics of welding are inherently
better than bolting components together when it comes to structural
integrity.
We bolt to allow ease of removal/replacement and in some cases, to allow
bolt shearing to protect critical components. This make total sense
with imperfect humans at the wheel. However there are some things
that are never compromised to bolts for overall safety and integrity.
I have a self fabricated bumper myself and welded it on for the same
reason Nathan started this thread. I've also welded on my rocker guards.
I don't plan on changing them and it was easier than fabricating
brackets and drilling.
If I have to replace them I find a high speed grinder/cutoff tool my
tool of choice for seized bolts as well as welded components! ;-)
Cheers!
Perry
87YJ 36x12.5 MT Baja's Dana 44 w/4.88
Nathan Collier wrote:
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:3F8B8CB2.64407B55@***.net...
>
>> Sorry to throw some cold water on your bumper business, but you
>>know all welds will eventual crack and fail
>
>
> sorry bill, but all welds do not eventually crack and fail. contaminated
> welds are more likely to fail eventually, but a properly welded joint should
> last indefinately.
>
>
better than bolting components together when it comes to structural
integrity.
We bolt to allow ease of removal/replacement and in some cases, to allow
bolt shearing to protect critical components. This make total sense
with imperfect humans at the wheel. However there are some things
that are never compromised to bolts for overall safety and integrity.
I have a self fabricated bumper myself and welded it on for the same
reason Nathan started this thread. I've also welded on my rocker guards.
I don't plan on changing them and it was easier than fabricating
brackets and drilling.
If I have to replace them I find a high speed grinder/cutoff tool my
tool of choice for seized bolts as well as welded components! ;-)
Cheers!
Perry
87YJ 36x12.5 MT Baja's Dana 44 w/4.88
Nathan Collier wrote:
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:3F8B8CB2.64407B55@***.net...
>
>> Sorry to throw some cold water on your bumper business, but you
>>know all welds will eventual crack and fail
>
>
> sorry bill, but all welds do not eventually crack and fail. contaminated
> welds are more likely to fail eventually, but a properly welded joint should
> last indefinately.
>
>
#19
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Re: weld-on accessories
I have to agree with Nathan. The mere physics of welding are inherently
better than bolting components together when it comes to structural
integrity.
We bolt to allow ease of removal/replacement and in some cases, to allow
bolt shearing to protect critical components. This make total sense
with imperfect humans at the wheel. However there are some things
that are never compromised to bolts for overall safety and integrity.
I have a self fabricated bumper myself and welded it on for the same
reason Nathan started this thread. I've also welded on my rocker guards.
I don't plan on changing them and it was easier than fabricating
brackets and drilling.
If I have to replace them I find a high speed grinder/cutoff tool my
tool of choice for seized bolts as well as welded components! ;-)
Cheers!
Perry
87YJ 36x12.5 MT Baja's Dana 44 w/4.88
Nathan Collier wrote:
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:3F8B8CB2.64407B55@***.net...
>
>> Sorry to throw some cold water on your bumper business, but you
>>know all welds will eventual crack and fail
>
>
> sorry bill, but all welds do not eventually crack and fail. contaminated
> welds are more likely to fail eventually, but a properly welded joint should
> last indefinately.
>
>
better than bolting components together when it comes to structural
integrity.
We bolt to allow ease of removal/replacement and in some cases, to allow
bolt shearing to protect critical components. This make total sense
with imperfect humans at the wheel. However there are some things
that are never compromised to bolts for overall safety and integrity.
I have a self fabricated bumper myself and welded it on for the same
reason Nathan started this thread. I've also welded on my rocker guards.
I don't plan on changing them and it was easier than fabricating
brackets and drilling.
If I have to replace them I find a high speed grinder/cutoff tool my
tool of choice for seized bolts as well as welded components! ;-)
Cheers!
Perry
87YJ 36x12.5 MT Baja's Dana 44 w/4.88
Nathan Collier wrote:
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:3F8B8CB2.64407B55@***.net...
>
>> Sorry to throw some cold water on your bumper business, but you
>>know all welds will eventual crack and fail
>
>
> sorry bill, but all welds do not eventually crack and fail. contaminated
> welds are more likely to fail eventually, but a properly welded joint should
> last indefinately.
>
>
#20
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Re: weld-on accessories
I also agree welding is stronger, but a solid welded frame on a Jeep or
truck will crack over a period of time, it may not crack in the weld but it
will crack. Metal needs to have a relief point to allow for expansion and
contraction, also relief from vibration. Bolting/Riviting cross members and
stiffiners allows this to happen, solid welds won't.. A trail Jeep that sees
a few thousand miles a year may get away with welds, but a daily driver I
wouln't weld on.
If you do weld to your Jeep be sure it has a good ground, disconnect the
battery,Alt, and computer.
Gordon
truck will crack over a period of time, it may not crack in the weld but it
will crack. Metal needs to have a relief point to allow for expansion and
contraction, also relief from vibration. Bolting/Riviting cross members and
stiffiners allows this to happen, solid welds won't.. A trail Jeep that sees
a few thousand miles a year may get away with welds, but a daily driver I
wouln't weld on.
If you do weld to your Jeep be sure it has a good ground, disconnect the
battery,Alt, and computer.
Gordon