weld-on accessories
#41
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Re: weld-on accessories
Hi Sandman,
Denial is not just a river in Egypt. The "must be bolted or
riveted" is pretty clear to me. Look at a commercial truck's chassis,
there are no factory welds.
You didn't read he top of the second URL I pointed you to, it
states:
"A vehicle does not pass an inspection if it has one of the following
defects or deficiencies:"
Looks like you found quite a few.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Nathan Collier wrote:
>
> hi bill,
> welding is not excluded _anywhere_ on that page. the closest that youll see
> is "d) All accessories mounted to the truck tractor frame must be bolted or
> riveted." but even that does not exclude welding the truck frame. once
> something is welded to the frame it is an integral part of the structure
> anyway, it is not an "accessory". the accessories referenced would include
> fuel tanks, hangers, air tanks, etc.
>
> welding is referenced many times in that page as well.
> "(b) Any welds or parent metal cracked."
> "(d) Any slider component cracked in parent metal or weld."
> "(a) Any cracks in attachment welds."
> "(1) Any cracks in welds attaching disc wheel disc to rim."
> "(2) Any crack in welds attaching tubeless demountable rim to adapter."
> "Appendix G rejects vehicles with any fifth wheel mounting fastener missing
> or ineffective. The out of service criteria allows up to 20% missing or
> ineffective fasteners on frame mountings and pivot bracket mountings and 25%
> on sliderlatching fasteners. The out of service criteria also allows some
> latitude on cracked welds."
>
> etc. these are references to improper or broken welds, welding repairs are
> only excluded on certain things such as aluminum wheels and universal joints
> as i read it.
>
> you oughtta be using IE anyway. ;-)
>
> --
>
> Nathan W. Collier
> http://7SlotGrille.com
Denial is not just a river in Egypt. The "must be bolted or
riveted" is pretty clear to me. Look at a commercial truck's chassis,
there are no factory welds.
You didn't read he top of the second URL I pointed you to, it
states:
"A vehicle does not pass an inspection if it has one of the following
defects or deficiencies:"
Looks like you found quite a few.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Nathan Collier wrote:
>
> hi bill,
> welding is not excluded _anywhere_ on that page. the closest that youll see
> is "d) All accessories mounted to the truck tractor frame must be bolted or
> riveted." but even that does not exclude welding the truck frame. once
> something is welded to the frame it is an integral part of the structure
> anyway, it is not an "accessory". the accessories referenced would include
> fuel tanks, hangers, air tanks, etc.
>
> welding is referenced many times in that page as well.
> "(b) Any welds or parent metal cracked."
> "(d) Any slider component cracked in parent metal or weld."
> "(a) Any cracks in attachment welds."
> "(1) Any cracks in welds attaching disc wheel disc to rim."
> "(2) Any crack in welds attaching tubeless demountable rim to adapter."
> "Appendix G rejects vehicles with any fifth wheel mounting fastener missing
> or ineffective. The out of service criteria allows up to 20% missing or
> ineffective fasteners on frame mountings and pivot bracket mountings and 25%
> on sliderlatching fasteners. The out of service criteria also allows some
> latitude on cracked welds."
>
> etc. these are references to improper or broken welds, welding repairs are
> only excluded on certain things such as aluminum wheels and universal joints
> as i read it.
>
> you oughtta be using IE anyway. ;-)
>
> --
>
> Nathan W. Collier
> http://7SlotGrille.com
#42
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Re: weld-on accessories
Hi Sandman,
Denial is not just a river in Egypt. The "must be bolted or
riveted" is pretty clear to me. Look at a commercial truck's chassis,
there are no factory welds.
You didn't read he top of the second URL I pointed you to, it
states:
"A vehicle does not pass an inspection if it has one of the following
defects or deficiencies:"
Looks like you found quite a few.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Nathan Collier wrote:
>
> hi bill,
> welding is not excluded _anywhere_ on that page. the closest that youll see
> is "d) All accessories mounted to the truck tractor frame must be bolted or
> riveted." but even that does not exclude welding the truck frame. once
> something is welded to the frame it is an integral part of the structure
> anyway, it is not an "accessory". the accessories referenced would include
> fuel tanks, hangers, air tanks, etc.
>
> welding is referenced many times in that page as well.
> "(b) Any welds or parent metal cracked."
> "(d) Any slider component cracked in parent metal or weld."
> "(a) Any cracks in attachment welds."
> "(1) Any cracks in welds attaching disc wheel disc to rim."
> "(2) Any crack in welds attaching tubeless demountable rim to adapter."
> "Appendix G rejects vehicles with any fifth wheel mounting fastener missing
> or ineffective. The out of service criteria allows up to 20% missing or
> ineffective fasteners on frame mountings and pivot bracket mountings and 25%
> on sliderlatching fasteners. The out of service criteria also allows some
> latitude on cracked welds."
>
> etc. these are references to improper or broken welds, welding repairs are
> only excluded on certain things such as aluminum wheels and universal joints
> as i read it.
>
> you oughtta be using IE anyway. ;-)
>
> --
>
> Nathan W. Collier
> http://7SlotGrille.com
Denial is not just a river in Egypt. The "must be bolted or
riveted" is pretty clear to me. Look at a commercial truck's chassis,
there are no factory welds.
You didn't read he top of the second URL I pointed you to, it
states:
"A vehicle does not pass an inspection if it has one of the following
defects or deficiencies:"
Looks like you found quite a few.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Nathan Collier wrote:
>
> hi bill,
> welding is not excluded _anywhere_ on that page. the closest that youll see
> is "d) All accessories mounted to the truck tractor frame must be bolted or
> riveted." but even that does not exclude welding the truck frame. once
> something is welded to the frame it is an integral part of the structure
> anyway, it is not an "accessory". the accessories referenced would include
> fuel tanks, hangers, air tanks, etc.
>
> welding is referenced many times in that page as well.
> "(b) Any welds or parent metal cracked."
> "(d) Any slider component cracked in parent metal or weld."
> "(a) Any cracks in attachment welds."
> "(1) Any cracks in welds attaching disc wheel disc to rim."
> "(2) Any crack in welds attaching tubeless demountable rim to adapter."
> "Appendix G rejects vehicles with any fifth wheel mounting fastener missing
> or ineffective. The out of service criteria allows up to 20% missing or
> ineffective fasteners on frame mountings and pivot bracket mountings and 25%
> on sliderlatching fasteners. The out of service criteria also allows some
> latitude on cracked welds."
>
> etc. these are references to improper or broken welds, welding repairs are
> only excluded on certain things such as aluminum wheels and universal joints
> as i read it.
>
> you oughtta be using IE anyway. ;-)
>
> --
>
> Nathan W. Collier
> http://7SlotGrille.com
#43
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Re: weld-on accessories
Hi Sandman,
Denial is not just a river in Egypt. The "must be bolted or
riveted" is pretty clear to me. Look at a commercial truck's chassis,
there are no factory welds.
You didn't read he top of the second URL I pointed you to, it
states:
"A vehicle does not pass an inspection if it has one of the following
defects or deficiencies:"
Looks like you found quite a few.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Nathan Collier wrote:
>
> hi bill,
> welding is not excluded _anywhere_ on that page. the closest that youll see
> is "d) All accessories mounted to the truck tractor frame must be bolted or
> riveted." but even that does not exclude welding the truck frame. once
> something is welded to the frame it is an integral part of the structure
> anyway, it is not an "accessory". the accessories referenced would include
> fuel tanks, hangers, air tanks, etc.
>
> welding is referenced many times in that page as well.
> "(b) Any welds or parent metal cracked."
> "(d) Any slider component cracked in parent metal or weld."
> "(a) Any cracks in attachment welds."
> "(1) Any cracks in welds attaching disc wheel disc to rim."
> "(2) Any crack in welds attaching tubeless demountable rim to adapter."
> "Appendix G rejects vehicles with any fifth wheel mounting fastener missing
> or ineffective. The out of service criteria allows up to 20% missing or
> ineffective fasteners on frame mountings and pivot bracket mountings and 25%
> on sliderlatching fasteners. The out of service criteria also allows some
> latitude on cracked welds."
>
> etc. these are references to improper or broken welds, welding repairs are
> only excluded on certain things such as aluminum wheels and universal joints
> as i read it.
>
> you oughtta be using IE anyway. ;-)
>
> --
>
> Nathan W. Collier
> http://7SlotGrille.com
Denial is not just a river in Egypt. The "must be bolted or
riveted" is pretty clear to me. Look at a commercial truck's chassis,
there are no factory welds.
You didn't read he top of the second URL I pointed you to, it
states:
"A vehicle does not pass an inspection if it has one of the following
defects or deficiencies:"
Looks like you found quite a few.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Nathan Collier wrote:
>
> hi bill,
> welding is not excluded _anywhere_ on that page. the closest that youll see
> is "d) All accessories mounted to the truck tractor frame must be bolted or
> riveted." but even that does not exclude welding the truck frame. once
> something is welded to the frame it is an integral part of the structure
> anyway, it is not an "accessory". the accessories referenced would include
> fuel tanks, hangers, air tanks, etc.
>
> welding is referenced many times in that page as well.
> "(b) Any welds or parent metal cracked."
> "(d) Any slider component cracked in parent metal or weld."
> "(a) Any cracks in attachment welds."
> "(1) Any cracks in welds attaching disc wheel disc to rim."
> "(2) Any crack in welds attaching tubeless demountable rim to adapter."
> "Appendix G rejects vehicles with any fifth wheel mounting fastener missing
> or ineffective. The out of service criteria allows up to 20% missing or
> ineffective fasteners on frame mountings and pivot bracket mountings and 25%
> on sliderlatching fasteners. The out of service criteria also allows some
> latitude on cracked welds."
>
> etc. these are references to improper or broken welds, welding repairs are
> only excluded on certain things such as aluminum wheels and universal joints
> as i read it.
>
> you oughtta be using IE anyway. ;-)
>
> --
>
> Nathan W. Collier
> http://7SlotGrille.com
#44
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Re: weld-on accessories
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:3F8C8972.85F3B447@***.net...
> The "must be bolted or
> riveted" is pretty clear to me.
......but the statement is limited to "accessories" which are not structural.
> Look at a commercial truck's chassis,
> there are no factory welds.
bill, at 17 years old i worked as a welder at godwin mfg (
http://godwinmfg.com ) on a 5th wheel assembly line. my job was welding the
5th wheel crossmembers to the truck frame. later i worked welding hinge
brackets on commercial truck frames for dump systems. i dont think you
understand what youre reading bill.
> You didn't read he top of the second URL I pointed you to, it
> states:
> "A vehicle does not pass an inspection if it has one of the following
> defects or deficiencies:"
right.....i listed where it said that cracked welds were not allowed. how
do you fix a cracked weld? you prep it and weld it. it did not say that
quality welds were a problem on structural areas, only on universal joints,
aluminum wheels, etc.
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com
news:3F8C8972.85F3B447@***.net...
> The "must be bolted or
> riveted" is pretty clear to me.
......but the statement is limited to "accessories" which are not structural.
> Look at a commercial truck's chassis,
> there are no factory welds.
bill, at 17 years old i worked as a welder at godwin mfg (
http://godwinmfg.com ) on a 5th wheel assembly line. my job was welding the
5th wheel crossmembers to the truck frame. later i worked welding hinge
brackets on commercial truck frames for dump systems. i dont think you
understand what youre reading bill.
> You didn't read he top of the second URL I pointed you to, it
> states:
> "A vehicle does not pass an inspection if it has one of the following
> defects or deficiencies:"
right.....i listed where it said that cracked welds were not allowed. how
do you fix a cracked weld? you prep it and weld it. it did not say that
quality welds were a problem on structural areas, only on universal joints,
aluminum wheels, etc.
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com
#45
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Re: weld-on accessories
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:3F8C8972.85F3B447@***.net...
> The "must be bolted or
> riveted" is pretty clear to me.
......but the statement is limited to "accessories" which are not structural.
> Look at a commercial truck's chassis,
> there are no factory welds.
bill, at 17 years old i worked as a welder at godwin mfg (
http://godwinmfg.com ) on a 5th wheel assembly line. my job was welding the
5th wheel crossmembers to the truck frame. later i worked welding hinge
brackets on commercial truck frames for dump systems. i dont think you
understand what youre reading bill.
> You didn't read he top of the second URL I pointed you to, it
> states:
> "A vehicle does not pass an inspection if it has one of the following
> defects or deficiencies:"
right.....i listed where it said that cracked welds were not allowed. how
do you fix a cracked weld? you prep it and weld it. it did not say that
quality welds were a problem on structural areas, only on universal joints,
aluminum wheels, etc.
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com
news:3F8C8972.85F3B447@***.net...
> The "must be bolted or
> riveted" is pretty clear to me.
......but the statement is limited to "accessories" which are not structural.
> Look at a commercial truck's chassis,
> there are no factory welds.
bill, at 17 years old i worked as a welder at godwin mfg (
http://godwinmfg.com ) on a 5th wheel assembly line. my job was welding the
5th wheel crossmembers to the truck frame. later i worked welding hinge
brackets on commercial truck frames for dump systems. i dont think you
understand what youre reading bill.
> You didn't read he top of the second URL I pointed you to, it
> states:
> "A vehicle does not pass an inspection if it has one of the following
> defects or deficiencies:"
right.....i listed where it said that cracked welds were not allowed. how
do you fix a cracked weld? you prep it and weld it. it did not say that
quality welds were a problem on structural areas, only on universal joints,
aluminum wheels, etc.
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com
#46
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Re: weld-on accessories
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:3F8C8972.85F3B447@***.net...
> The "must be bolted or
> riveted" is pretty clear to me.
......but the statement is limited to "accessories" which are not structural.
> Look at a commercial truck's chassis,
> there are no factory welds.
bill, at 17 years old i worked as a welder at godwin mfg (
http://godwinmfg.com ) on a 5th wheel assembly line. my job was welding the
5th wheel crossmembers to the truck frame. later i worked welding hinge
brackets on commercial truck frames for dump systems. i dont think you
understand what youre reading bill.
> You didn't read he top of the second URL I pointed you to, it
> states:
> "A vehicle does not pass an inspection if it has one of the following
> defects or deficiencies:"
right.....i listed where it said that cracked welds were not allowed. how
do you fix a cracked weld? you prep it and weld it. it did not say that
quality welds were a problem on structural areas, only on universal joints,
aluminum wheels, etc.
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com
news:3F8C8972.85F3B447@***.net...
> The "must be bolted or
> riveted" is pretty clear to me.
......but the statement is limited to "accessories" which are not structural.
> Look at a commercial truck's chassis,
> there are no factory welds.
bill, at 17 years old i worked as a welder at godwin mfg (
http://godwinmfg.com ) on a 5th wheel assembly line. my job was welding the
5th wheel crossmembers to the truck frame. later i worked welding hinge
brackets on commercial truck frames for dump systems. i dont think you
understand what youre reading bill.
> You didn't read he top of the second URL I pointed you to, it
> states:
> "A vehicle does not pass an inspection if it has one of the following
> defects or deficiencies:"
right.....i listed where it said that cracked welds were not allowed. how
do you fix a cracked weld? you prep it and weld it. it did not say that
quality welds were a problem on structural areas, only on universal joints,
aluminum wheels, etc.
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com
#47
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Re: weld-on accessories
Nathan, you didn't weld to the tractor's frame!
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#48
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Re: weld-on accessories
Nathan, you didn't weld to the tractor's frame!
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God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
#49
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Re: weld-on accessories
Nathan, you didn't weld to the tractor's frame!
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
#50
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Re: weld-on accessories
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
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> Nathan, you didn't weld to the tractor's frame!
hi bill,
i was _there_ brother, im pretty sure i remember how it was done! look at
your own links bill, how often does "except by the manufacturer" appear?
licensed manufacturers can certainly weld their own frames. look at the
pivot braces on large dump trucks, youll find theyre welded.
now i suppose its possible things have changed a little in the past 15
years, but i doubt it. ill stop by godwin tomorrow and see how theyre doing
it now.
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com
news:3F8CA9E3.2745F4A5@***.net...
> Nathan, you didn't weld to the tractor's frame!
hi bill,
i was _there_ brother, im pretty sure i remember how it was done! look at
your own links bill, how often does "except by the manufacturer" appear?
licensed manufacturers can certainly weld their own frames. look at the
pivot braces on large dump trucks, youll find theyre welded.
now i suppose its possible things have changed a little in the past 15
years, but i doubt it. ill stop by godwin tomorrow and see how theyre doing
it now.
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com