Re: Warn 8274 Motor Problems
 

I'll do that tomorrow. Thanks

Daren

"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
news:409ED2D6.295C70CF@cox.net...
> Peak inside, you may just have a broken brush spring, and many time
> on a straight car starter the solenoid won't make a complete contact,
> the three motor poles are isolated, jump them with starter cables to see
> if it'll run.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Daren McMorris wrote:
> >
> > That's exactly what I'm thinking. Just need to get it fixed now.
> >
> > Daren

Re: Warn 8274 Motor Problems
 

I'll do that tomorrow. Thanks

Daren

"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
news:409ED2D6.295C70CF@cox.net...
> Peak inside, you may just have a broken brush spring, and many time
> on a straight car starter the solenoid won't make a complete contact,
> the three motor poles are isolated, jump them with starter cables to see
> if it'll run.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Daren McMorris wrote:
> >
> > That's exactly what I'm thinking. Just need to get it fixed now.
> >
> > Daren

Re: Warn 8274 Motor Problems
 

I'll do that tomorrow. Thanks

Daren

"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message
news:409ED2D6.295C70CF@cox.net...
> Peak inside, you may just have a broken brush spring, and many time
> on a straight car starter the solenoid won't make a complete contact,
> the three motor poles are isolated, jump them with starter cables to see
> if it'll run.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Daren McMorris wrote:
> >
> > That's exactly what I'm thinking. Just need to get it fixed now.
> >
> > Daren

Re: Warn 8274 Motor Problems
 

In news:Z%znc.16915$V_.692629@twister.southeast.rr.co m,
Daren McMorris from <dmcmorris@nc.rr.com> was injured
because:

| Mike,
|
| The design of the 8274 makes the rope the last possible
heat
| sink for the motor. The motor casing and the gear box are
the
| more likely heat sink. I'm not disputing that some heat is
| dissipated from the cable, but it's probably not much. On
a
| standard profile winch( the 8k or 9k series) I can see how
the
| rope would be a definite portion of the heat sink.
|
| Daren
|
| "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
| news:409E6E86.29E315B5@sympatico.ca...
|| No, the rope wouldn't sink any heat away so the hot part
|| would just get hotter. The rope would act more like an
|| insulator.
||
|| Mike
||
|| SB wrote:
|||
||| I've seen the results of a lightning strike that
happened to
||| hit a cable-way at an airport. It actually hit the
pull-pit
||| where most junctions were made. It fused a bunch of
wires in
||| to one mass and some were just blown apart. Would the
||| sythetic rope melt to itself if it was supposed to sink
||| heat?
|||
||| "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
||| news:409E38DD.EE3F9406@sympatico.ca...
|||| Is the blown motor why Warn says 'not' to use the
synthetic
|||| rope?
||||
|||| Isn't that where they say the motor will overheat and
die?
||||
|||| It uses the steel rope as a heat sink.
||||
|||| I would say it's time to open it up and see where the
|||| solder connection melted.
||||
|||| Mike
|||| 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail
in
|||| '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
||||
|||| SB wrote:
|||||
||||| Not sure I'd call that a complete rebuild. But
depending
||||| on what you problem is....might work.
|||||
||||| looked more of a mechanical overhaul. He didn't do
||||| anything with the motor/electrical.
|||||
||||| How does that synthetic rope compare to wire rope?
|||||
||||| "Daren McMorris" <dmcmorris@nc.rr.com> wrote in
message
|||||
news:iUgnc.20518$jU.1535969@twister.southeast.rr.c om...
|||||| All Solenoids are functioning properly and
distributing
|||||| power according to the schematic.
|||||| http://www.pirate4x4.com/tech/billavista/8274/ Now my
|||||| only conclusion is that there is a problem with the
|||||| motor. Here is my question....Is it cheaper for a
|||||| rebuild or to buy a rebuilt one? Can this be
purchased at
|||||| a parts store?
||||||
|||||| Daren McMorris

So, has anyone bought this synthetic crap? Do they suggest
you not use it on any particular winches? Could this be a
liability issue? Would it be worth my time to slap the
synthetic crap on a winch that is known to use the cable
spool and cable as a heat sink, let something dumb happen,
then sue?? Hypothetical, of course.

--
--
Joe Pribe
NC

Pull my finger to reply by email.

jpribe 'at' nc.rr.com
jegp 'at' hotmail.com

I Love My O|||||||O

Re: Warn 8274 Motor Problems
 

In news:Z%znc.16915$V_.692629@twister.southeast.rr.co m,
Daren McMorris from <dmcmorris@nc.rr.com> was injured
because:

| Mike,
|
| The design of the 8274 makes the rope the last possible
heat
| sink for the motor. The motor casing and the gear box are
the
| more likely heat sink. I'm not disputing that some heat is
| dissipated from the cable, but it's probably not much. On
a
| standard profile winch( the 8k or 9k series) I can see how
the
| rope would be a definite portion of the heat sink.
|
| Daren
|
| "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
| news:409E6E86.29E315B5@sympatico.ca...
|| No, the rope wouldn't sink any heat away so the hot part
|| would just get hotter. The rope would act more like an
|| insulator.
||
|| Mike
||
|| SB wrote:
|||
||| I've seen the results of a lightning strike that
happened to
||| hit a cable-way at an airport. It actually hit the
pull-pit
||| where most junctions were made. It fused a bunch of
wires in
||| to one mass and some were just blown apart. Would the
||| sythetic rope melt to itself if it was supposed to sink
||| heat?
|||
||| "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
||| news:409E38DD.EE3F9406@sympatico.ca...
|||| Is the blown motor why Warn says 'not' to use the
synthetic
|||| rope?
||||
|||| Isn't that where they say the motor will overheat and
die?
||||
|||| It uses the steel rope as a heat sink.
||||
|||| I would say it's time to open it up and see where the
|||| solder connection melted.
||||
|||| Mike
|||| 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail
in
|||| '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
||||
|||| SB wrote:
|||||
||||| Not sure I'd call that a complete rebuild. But
depending
||||| on what you problem is....might work.
|||||
||||| looked more of a mechanical overhaul. He didn't do
||||| anything with the motor/electrical.
|||||
||||| How does that synthetic rope compare to wire rope?
|||||
||||| "Daren McMorris" <dmcmorris@nc.rr.com> wrote in
message
|||||
news:iUgnc.20518$jU.1535969@twister.southeast.rr.c om...
|||||| All Solenoids are functioning properly and
distributing
|||||| power according to the schematic.
|||||| http://www.pirate4x4.com/tech/billavista/8274/ Now my
|||||| only conclusion is that there is a problem with the
|||||| motor. Here is my question....Is it cheaper for a
|||||| rebuild or to buy a rebuilt one? Can this be
purchased at
|||||| a parts store?
||||||
|||||| Daren McMorris

So, has anyone bought this synthetic crap? Do they suggest
you not use it on any particular winches? Could this be a
liability issue? Would it be worth my time to slap the
synthetic crap on a winch that is known to use the cable
spool and cable as a heat sink, let something dumb happen,
then sue?? Hypothetical, of course.

--
--
Joe Pribe
NC

Pull my finger to reply by email.

jpribe 'at' nc.rr.com
jegp 'at' hotmail.com

I Love My O|||||||O

Re: Warn 8274 Motor Problems
 

In news:Z%znc.16915$V_.692629@twister.southeast.rr.co m,
Daren McMorris from <dmcmorris@nc.rr.com> was injured
because:

| Mike,
|
| The design of the 8274 makes the rope the last possible
heat
| sink for the motor. The motor casing and the gear box are
the
| more likely heat sink. I'm not disputing that some heat is
| dissipated from the cable, but it's probably not much. On
a
| standard profile winch( the 8k or 9k series) I can see how
the
| rope would be a definite portion of the heat sink.
|
| Daren
|
| "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
| news:409E6E86.29E315B5@sympatico.ca...
|| No, the rope wouldn't sink any heat away so the hot part
|| would just get hotter. The rope would act more like an
|| insulator.
||
|| Mike
||
|| SB wrote:
|||
||| I've seen the results of a lightning strike that
happened to
||| hit a cable-way at an airport. It actually hit the
pull-pit
||| where most junctions were made. It fused a bunch of
wires in
||| to one mass and some were just blown apart. Would the
||| sythetic rope melt to itself if it was supposed to sink
||| heat?
|||
||| "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
||| news:409E38DD.EE3F9406@sympatico.ca...
|||| Is the blown motor why Warn says 'not' to use the
synthetic
|||| rope?
||||
|||| Isn't that where they say the motor will overheat and
die?
||||
|||| It uses the steel rope as a heat sink.
||||
|||| I would say it's time to open it up and see where the
|||| solder connection melted.
||||
|||| Mike
|||| 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail
in
|||| '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
||||
|||| SB wrote:
|||||
||||| Not sure I'd call that a complete rebuild. But
depending
||||| on what you problem is....might work.
|||||
||||| looked more of a mechanical overhaul. He didn't do
||||| anything with the motor/electrical.
|||||
||||| How does that synthetic rope compare to wire rope?
|||||
||||| "Daren McMorris" <dmcmorris@nc.rr.com> wrote in
message
|||||
news:iUgnc.20518$jU.1535969@twister.southeast.rr.c om...
|||||| All Solenoids are functioning properly and
distributing
|||||| power according to the schematic.
|||||| http://www.pirate4x4.com/tech/billavista/8274/ Now my
|||||| only conclusion is that there is a problem with the
|||||| motor. Here is my question....Is it cheaper for a
|||||| rebuild or to buy a rebuilt one? Can this be
purchased at
|||||| a parts store?
||||||
|||||| Daren McMorris

So, has anyone bought this synthetic crap? Do they suggest
you not use it on any particular winches? Could this be a
liability issue? Would it be worth my time to slap the
synthetic crap on a winch that is known to use the cable
spool and cable as a heat sink, let something dumb happen,
then sue?? Hypothetical, of course.

--
--
Joe Pribe
NC

Pull my finger to reply by email.

jpribe 'at' nc.rr.com
jegp 'at' hotmail.com

I Love My O|||||||O

Re: Warn 8274 Motor Problems
 

In news:Z%znc.16915$V_.692629@twister.southeast.rr.co m,
Daren McMorris from <dmcmorris@nc.rr.com> was injured
because:

| Mike,
|
| The design of the 8274 makes the rope the last possible
heat
| sink for the motor. The motor casing and the gear box are
the
| more likely heat sink. I'm not disputing that some heat is
| dissipated from the cable, but it's probably not much. On
a
| standard profile winch( the 8k or 9k series) I can see how
the
| rope would be a definite portion of the heat sink.
|
| Daren
|
| "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
| news:409E6E86.29E315B5@sympatico.ca...
|| No, the rope wouldn't sink any heat away so the hot part
|| would just get hotter. The rope would act more like an
|| insulator.
||
|| Mike
||
|| SB wrote:
|||
||| I've seen the results of a lightning strike that
happened to
||| hit a cable-way at an airport. It actually hit the
pull-pit
||| where most junctions were made. It fused a bunch of
wires in
||| to one mass and some were just blown apart. Would the
||| sythetic rope melt to itself if it was supposed to sink
||| heat?
|||
||| "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
||| news:409E38DD.EE3F9406@sympatico.ca...
|||| Is the blown motor why Warn says 'not' to use the
synthetic
|||| rope?
||||
|||| Isn't that where they say the motor will overheat and
die?
||||
|||| It uses the steel rope as a heat sink.
||||
|||| I would say it's time to open it up and see where the
|||| solder connection melted.
||||
|||| Mike
|||| 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail
in
|||| '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
||||
|||| SB wrote:
|||||
||||| Not sure I'd call that a complete rebuild. But
depending
||||| on what you problem is....might work.
|||||
||||| looked more of a mechanical overhaul. He didn't do
||||| anything with the motor/electrical.
|||||
||||| How does that synthetic rope compare to wire rope?
|||||
||||| "Daren McMorris" <dmcmorris@nc.rr.com> wrote in
message
|||||
news:iUgnc.20518$jU.1535969@twister.southeast.rr.c om...
|||||| All Solenoids are functioning properly and
distributing
|||||| power according to the schematic.
|||||| http://www.pirate4x4.com/tech/billavista/8274/ Now my
|||||| only conclusion is that there is a problem with the
|||||| motor. Here is my question....Is it cheaper for a
|||||| rebuild or to buy a rebuilt one? Can this be
purchased at
|||||| a parts store?
||||||
|||||| Daren McMorris

So, has anyone bought this synthetic crap? Do they suggest
you not use it on any particular winches? Could this be a
liability issue? Would it be worth my time to slap the
synthetic crap on a winch that is known to use the cable
spool and cable as a heat sink, let something dumb happen,
then sue?? Hypothetical, of course.

--
--
Joe Pribe
NC

Pull my finger to reply by email.

jpribe 'at' nc.rr.com
jegp 'at' hotmail.com

I Love My O|||||||O

Re: Warn 8274 Motor Problems
 

In <M1Bnc.11097$zq4.815109@twister.southeast.rr.com > Joseph P wrote:

> So, has anyone bought this synthetic crap? Do they suggest
> you not use it on any particular winches? Could this be a
> liability issue? Would it be worth my time to slap the
> synthetic crap on a winch that is known to use the cable
> spool and cable as a heat sink, let something dumb happen,
> then sue?? Hypothetical, of course.

The synthetic stuff is NOT crap. It has several advantages over wire
rope, including no fraying of wires to cut the user, it will not kink/
crush if wrapped over itself, it doesn't store energy like a steel cable (
I had a hard time buying that too), and it is lighter which is easier on
the person dragging the cable out.

It's inability to be used as a heat sink and susceptibility to high
temperatures is only a problem if you are using a winch that lets the
drum overheat. If and when I have to put another new cable on my
Milemarker hydraulic I may end up going with the synthetic rope.

----------------------------------------------------
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Remove _kills_spammers_ to reply via email.
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Re: Warn 8274 Motor Problems
 

In <M1Bnc.11097$zq4.815109@twister.southeast.rr.com > Joseph P wrote:

> So, has anyone bought this synthetic crap? Do they suggest
> you not use it on any particular winches? Could this be a
> liability issue? Would it be worth my time to slap the
> synthetic crap on a winch that is known to use the cable
> spool and cable as a heat sink, let something dumb happen,
> then sue?? Hypothetical, of course.

The synthetic stuff is NOT crap. It has several advantages over wire
rope, including no fraying of wires to cut the user, it will not kink/
crush if wrapped over itself, it doesn't store energy like a steel cable (
I had a hard time buying that too), and it is lighter which is easier on
the person dragging the cable out.

It's inability to be used as a heat sink and susceptibility to high
temperatures is only a problem if you are using a winch that lets the
drum overheat. If and when I have to put another new cable on my
Milemarker hydraulic I may end up going with the synthetic rope.

----------------------------------------------------
Del Rawlins- del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org
Remove _kills_spammers_ to reply via email.
Unofficial Bearhawk FAQ website:
http://www.rawlinsbrothers.org/bhfaq/

Re: Warn 8274 Motor Problems
 

In <M1Bnc.11097$zq4.815109@twister.southeast.rr.com > Joseph P wrote:

> So, has anyone bought this synthetic crap? Do they suggest
> you not use it on any particular winches? Could this be a
> liability issue? Would it be worth my time to slap the
> synthetic crap on a winch that is known to use the cable
> spool and cable as a heat sink, let something dumb happen,
> then sue?? Hypothetical, of course.

The synthetic stuff is NOT crap. It has several advantages over wire
rope, including no fraying of wires to cut the user, it will not kink/
crush if wrapped over itself, it doesn't store energy like a steel cable (
I had a hard time buying that too), and it is lighter which is easier on
the person dragging the cable out.

It's inability to be used as a heat sink and susceptibility to high
temperatures is only a problem if you are using a winch that lets the
drum overheat. If and when I have to put another new cable on my
Milemarker hydraulic I may end up going with the synthetic rope.

----------------------------------------------------
Del Rawlins- del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org
Remove _kills_spammers_ to reply via email.
Unofficial Bearhawk FAQ website:
http://www.rawlinsbrothers.org/bhfaq/