Re: Warn 8274 Motor Problems
 

I've seen the results of a lightning strike that happened to hit a cable-way
at an airport. It actually hit the pull-pit where most junctions were made.
It fused a bunch of wires in to one mass and some were just blown apart.
Would the sythetic rope melt to itself if it was supposed to sink heat?


"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:409E38DD.EE3F9406@sympatico.ca...
> Is the blown motor why Warn says 'not' to use the synthetic rope?
>
> Isn't that where they say the motor will overheat and die?
>
> It uses the steel rope as a heat sink.
>
> I would say it's time to open it up and see where the solder connection
> melted.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> SB wrote:
> >
> > Not sure I'd call that a complete rebuild. But depending on what you
> > problem is....might work.
> >
> > looked more of a mechanical overhaul. He didn't do anything with the
> > motor/electrical.
> >
> > How does that synthetic rope compare to wire rope?
> >
> > "Daren McMorris" <dmcmorris@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
> > news:iUgnc.20518$jU.1535969@twister.southeast.rr.c om...
> > > All Solenoids are functioning properly and distributing power
according to
> > > the schematic. http://www.pirate4x4.com/tech/billavista/8274/ Now my
> > only
> > > conclusion is that there is a problem with the motor. Here is my
> > > question....Is it cheaper for a rebuild or to buy a rebuilt one? Can
this
> > > be purchased at a parts store?
> > >
> > > Daren McMorris
> > >
> > >
> > >

Re: Warn 8274 Motor Problems
 

Id' guess that the same places that do alternators would do these.

Basically check the stator for straightness and make sure your commutators
are alright. Then rewrap your coils....bearings are obvious too....


"Daren McMorris" <dmcmorris@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
news:uernc.25010$jU.1664320@twister.southeast.rr.c om...
> That link is just one I found to outline the test for the motor. That's
not
> my rebuild. I have a completely different situation, motor quite running
> while in operation. I had only been running it for a minute or two, and
it
> wasn't even warmed up yet.
>
> My solenoids are pulling in, power is going to the correct motor
terminals,
> and connections are freshly cleaned. Has to be in the motor. I call
warn,
> Bill. Thanks.
>
> I have the standard 5/16 aircraft cable not the synthetic rope. That
stuff
> has not impress me as a EROCC judge....saw it snap several times last year
> (it did fall straight down though).
>
> A buddy of mine went to a local "starter" rebuild shop and had his 8274
> motor rebuilt....seemed to work.
>
> Daren
>
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:409E38DD.EE3F9406@sympatico.ca...
> > Is the blown motor why Warn says 'not' to use the synthetic rope?
> >
> > Isn't that where they say the motor will overheat and die?
> >
> > It uses the steel rope as a heat sink.
> >
> > I would say it's time to open it up and see where the solder connection
> > melted.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > SB wrote:
> > >
> > > Not sure I'd call that a complete rebuild. But depending on what you
> > > problem is....might work.
> > >
> > > looked more of a mechanical overhaul. He didn't do anything with the
> > > motor/electrical.
> > >
> > > How does that synthetic rope compare to wire rope?
> > >
> > > "Daren McMorris" <dmcmorris@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
> > > news:iUgnc.20518$jU.1535969@twister.southeast.rr.c om...
> > > > All Solenoids are functioning properly and distributing power
> according to
> > > > the schematic. http://www.pirate4x4.com/tech/billavista/8274/ Now
my
> > > only
> > > > conclusion is that there is a problem with the motor. Here is my
> > > > question....Is it cheaper for a rebuild or to buy a rebuilt one?
Can
> this
> > > > be purchased at a parts store?
> > > >
> > > > Daren McMorris
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
>
>

Re: Warn 8274 Motor Problems
 

Id' guess that the same places that do alternators would do these.

Basically check the stator for straightness and make sure your commutators
are alright. Then rewrap your coils....bearings are obvious too....


"Daren McMorris" <dmcmorris@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
news:uernc.25010$jU.1664320@twister.southeast.rr.c om...
> That link is just one I found to outline the test for the motor. That's
not
> my rebuild. I have a completely different situation, motor quite running
> while in operation. I had only been running it for a minute or two, and
it
> wasn't even warmed up yet.
>
> My solenoids are pulling in, power is going to the correct motor
terminals,
> and connections are freshly cleaned. Has to be in the motor. I call
warn,
> Bill. Thanks.
>
> I have the standard 5/16 aircraft cable not the synthetic rope. That
stuff
> has not impress me as a EROCC judge....saw it snap several times last year
> (it did fall straight down though).
>
> A buddy of mine went to a local "starter" rebuild shop and had his 8274
> motor rebuilt....seemed to work.
>
> Daren
>
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:409E38DD.EE3F9406@sympatico.ca...
> > Is the blown motor why Warn says 'not' to use the synthetic rope?
> >
> > Isn't that where they say the motor will overheat and die?
> >
> > It uses the steel rope as a heat sink.
> >
> > I would say it's time to open it up and see where the solder connection
> > melted.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > SB wrote:
> > >
> > > Not sure I'd call that a complete rebuild. But depending on what you
> > > problem is....might work.
> > >
> > > looked more of a mechanical overhaul. He didn't do anything with the
> > > motor/electrical.
> > >
> > > How does that synthetic rope compare to wire rope?
> > >
> > > "Daren McMorris" <dmcmorris@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
> > > news:iUgnc.20518$jU.1535969@twister.southeast.rr.c om...
> > > > All Solenoids are functioning properly and distributing power
> according to
> > > > the schematic. http://www.pirate4x4.com/tech/billavista/8274/ Now
my
> > > only
> > > > conclusion is that there is a problem with the motor. Here is my
> > > > question....Is it cheaper for a rebuild or to buy a rebuilt one?
Can
> this
> > > > be purchased at a parts store?
> > > >
> > > > Daren McMorris
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
>
>

Re: Warn 8274 Motor Problems
 

Id' guess that the same places that do alternators would do these.

Basically check the stator for straightness and make sure your commutators
are alright. Then rewrap your coils....bearings are obvious too....


"Daren McMorris" <dmcmorris@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
news:uernc.25010$jU.1664320@twister.southeast.rr.c om...
> That link is just one I found to outline the test for the motor. That's
not
> my rebuild. I have a completely different situation, motor quite running
> while in operation. I had only been running it for a minute or two, and
it
> wasn't even warmed up yet.
>
> My solenoids are pulling in, power is going to the correct motor
terminals,
> and connections are freshly cleaned. Has to be in the motor. I call
warn,
> Bill. Thanks.
>
> I have the standard 5/16 aircraft cable not the synthetic rope. That
stuff
> has not impress me as a EROCC judge....saw it snap several times last year
> (it did fall straight down though).
>
> A buddy of mine went to a local "starter" rebuild shop and had his 8274
> motor rebuilt....seemed to work.
>
> Daren
>
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:409E38DD.EE3F9406@sympatico.ca...
> > Is the blown motor why Warn says 'not' to use the synthetic rope?
> >
> > Isn't that where they say the motor will overheat and die?
> >
> > It uses the steel rope as a heat sink.
> >
> > I would say it's time to open it up and see where the solder connection
> > melted.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > SB wrote:
> > >
> > > Not sure I'd call that a complete rebuild. But depending on what you
> > > problem is....might work.
> > >
> > > looked more of a mechanical overhaul. He didn't do anything with the
> > > motor/electrical.
> > >
> > > How does that synthetic rope compare to wire rope?
> > >
> > > "Daren McMorris" <dmcmorris@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
> > > news:iUgnc.20518$jU.1535969@twister.southeast.rr.c om...
> > > > All Solenoids are functioning properly and distributing power
> according to
> > > > the schematic. http://www.pirate4x4.com/tech/billavista/8274/ Now
my
> > > only
> > > > conclusion is that there is a problem with the motor. Here is my
> > > > question....Is it cheaper for a rebuild or to buy a rebuilt one?
Can
> this
> > > > be purchased at a parts store?
> > > >
> > > > Daren McMorris
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
>
>

Re: Warn 8274 Motor Problems
 

Id' guess that the same places that do alternators would do these.

Basically check the stator for straightness and make sure your commutators
are alright. Then rewrap your coils....bearings are obvious too....


"Daren McMorris" <dmcmorris@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
news:uernc.25010$jU.1664320@twister.southeast.rr.c om...
> That link is just one I found to outline the test for the motor. That's
not
> my rebuild. I have a completely different situation, motor quite running
> while in operation. I had only been running it for a minute or two, and
it
> wasn't even warmed up yet.
>
> My solenoids are pulling in, power is going to the correct motor
terminals,
> and connections are freshly cleaned. Has to be in the motor. I call
warn,
> Bill. Thanks.
>
> I have the standard 5/16 aircraft cable not the synthetic rope. That
stuff
> has not impress me as a EROCC judge....saw it snap several times last year
> (it did fall straight down though).
>
> A buddy of mine went to a local "starter" rebuild shop and had his 8274
> motor rebuilt....seemed to work.
>
> Daren
>
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:409E38DD.EE3F9406@sympatico.ca...
> > Is the blown motor why Warn says 'not' to use the synthetic rope?
> >
> > Isn't that where they say the motor will overheat and die?
> >
> > It uses the steel rope as a heat sink.
> >
> > I would say it's time to open it up and see where the solder connection
> > melted.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > SB wrote:
> > >
> > > Not sure I'd call that a complete rebuild. But depending on what you
> > > problem is....might work.
> > >
> > > looked more of a mechanical overhaul. He didn't do anything with the
> > > motor/electrical.
> > >
> > > How does that synthetic rope compare to wire rope?
> > >
> > > "Daren McMorris" <dmcmorris@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
> > > news:iUgnc.20518$jU.1535969@twister.southeast.rr.c om...
> > > > All Solenoids are functioning properly and distributing power
> according to
> > > > the schematic. http://www.pirate4x4.com/tech/billavista/8274/ Now
my
> > > only
> > > > conclusion is that there is a problem with the motor. Here is my
> > > > question....Is it cheaper for a rebuild or to buy a rebuilt one?
Can
> this
> > > > be purchased at a parts store?
> > > >
> > > > Daren McMorris
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
>
>

Re: Warn 8274 Motor Problems
 

No, the rope wouldn't sink any heat away so the hot part would just get
hotter. The rope would act more like an insulator.

Mike

SB wrote:
>
> I've seen the results of a lightning strike that happened to hit a cable-way
> at an airport. It actually hit the pull-pit where most junctions were made.
> It fused a bunch of wires in to one mass and some were just blown apart.
> Would the sythetic rope melt to itself if it was supposed to sink heat?
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:409E38DD.EE3F9406@sympatico.ca...
> > Is the blown motor why Warn says 'not' to use the synthetic rope?
> >
> > Isn't that where they say the motor will overheat and die?
> >
> > It uses the steel rope as a heat sink.
> >
> > I would say it's time to open it up and see where the solder connection
> > melted.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > SB wrote:
> > >
> > > Not sure I'd call that a complete rebuild. But depending on what you
> > > problem is....might work.
> > >
> > > looked more of a mechanical overhaul. He didn't do anything with the
> > > motor/electrical.
> > >
> > > How does that synthetic rope compare to wire rope?
> > >
> > > "Daren McMorris" <dmcmorris@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
> > > news:iUgnc.20518$jU.1535969@twister.southeast.rr.c om...
> > > > All Solenoids are functioning properly and distributing power
> according to
> > > > the schematic. http://www.pirate4x4.com/tech/billavista/8274/ Now my
> > > only
> > > > conclusion is that there is a problem with the motor. Here is my
> > > > question....Is it cheaper for a rebuild or to buy a rebuilt one? Can
> this
> > > > be purchased at a parts store?
> > > >
> > > > Daren McMorris
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >

Re: Warn 8274 Motor Problems
 

No, the rope wouldn't sink any heat away so the hot part would just get
hotter. The rope would act more like an insulator.

Mike

SB wrote:
>
> I've seen the results of a lightning strike that happened to hit a cable-way
> at an airport. It actually hit the pull-pit where most junctions were made.
> It fused a bunch of wires in to one mass and some were just blown apart.
> Would the sythetic rope melt to itself if it was supposed to sink heat?
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:409E38DD.EE3F9406@sympatico.ca...
> > Is the blown motor why Warn says 'not' to use the synthetic rope?
> >
> > Isn't that where they say the motor will overheat and die?
> >
> > It uses the steel rope as a heat sink.
> >
> > I would say it's time to open it up and see where the solder connection
> > melted.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > SB wrote:
> > >
> > > Not sure I'd call that a complete rebuild. But depending on what you
> > > problem is....might work.
> > >
> > > looked more of a mechanical overhaul. He didn't do anything with the
> > > motor/electrical.
> > >
> > > How does that synthetic rope compare to wire rope?
> > >
> > > "Daren McMorris" <dmcmorris@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
> > > news:iUgnc.20518$jU.1535969@twister.southeast.rr.c om...
> > > > All Solenoids are functioning properly and distributing power
> according to
> > > > the schematic. http://www.pirate4x4.com/tech/billavista/8274/ Now my
> > > only
> > > > conclusion is that there is a problem with the motor. Here is my
> > > > question....Is it cheaper for a rebuild or to buy a rebuilt one? Can
> this
> > > > be purchased at a parts store?
> > > >
> > > > Daren McMorris
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >

Re: Warn 8274 Motor Problems
 

No, the rope wouldn't sink any heat away so the hot part would just get
hotter. The rope would act more like an insulator.

Mike

SB wrote:
>
> I've seen the results of a lightning strike that happened to hit a cable-way
> at an airport. It actually hit the pull-pit where most junctions were made.
> It fused a bunch of wires in to one mass and some were just blown apart.
> Would the sythetic rope melt to itself if it was supposed to sink heat?
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:409E38DD.EE3F9406@sympatico.ca...
> > Is the blown motor why Warn says 'not' to use the synthetic rope?
> >
> > Isn't that where they say the motor will overheat and die?
> >
> > It uses the steel rope as a heat sink.
> >
> > I would say it's time to open it up and see where the solder connection
> > melted.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > SB wrote:
> > >
> > > Not sure I'd call that a complete rebuild. But depending on what you
> > > problem is....might work.
> > >
> > > looked more of a mechanical overhaul. He didn't do anything with the
> > > motor/electrical.
> > >
> > > How does that synthetic rope compare to wire rope?
> > >
> > > "Daren McMorris" <dmcmorris@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
> > > news:iUgnc.20518$jU.1535969@twister.southeast.rr.c om...
> > > > All Solenoids are functioning properly and distributing power
> according to
> > > > the schematic. http://www.pirate4x4.com/tech/billavista/8274/ Now my
> > > only
> > > > conclusion is that there is a problem with the motor. Here is my
> > > > question....Is it cheaper for a rebuild or to buy a rebuilt one? Can
> this
> > > > be purchased at a parts store?
> > > >
> > > > Daren McMorris
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >

Re: Warn 8274 Motor Problems
 

No, the rope wouldn't sink any heat away so the hot part would just get
hotter. The rope would act more like an insulator.

Mike

SB wrote:
>
> I've seen the results of a lightning strike that happened to hit a cable-way
> at an airport. It actually hit the pull-pit where most junctions were made.
> It fused a bunch of wires in to one mass and some were just blown apart.
> Would the sythetic rope melt to itself if it was supposed to sink heat?
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:409E38DD.EE3F9406@sympatico.ca...
> > Is the blown motor why Warn says 'not' to use the synthetic rope?
> >
> > Isn't that where they say the motor will overheat and die?
> >
> > It uses the steel rope as a heat sink.
> >
> > I would say it's time to open it up and see where the solder connection
> > melted.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > SB wrote:
> > >
> > > Not sure I'd call that a complete rebuild. But depending on what you
> > > problem is....might work.
> > >
> > > looked more of a mechanical overhaul. He didn't do anything with the
> > > motor/electrical.
> > >
> > > How does that synthetic rope compare to wire rope?
> > >
> > > "Daren McMorris" <dmcmorris@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
> > > news:iUgnc.20518$jU.1535969@twister.southeast.rr.c om...
> > > > All Solenoids are functioning properly and distributing power
> according to
> > > > the schematic. http://www.pirate4x4.com/tech/billavista/8274/ Now my
> > > only
> > > > conclusion is that there is a problem with the motor. Here is my
> > > > question....Is it cheaper for a rebuild or to buy a rebuilt one? Can
> this
> > > > be purchased at a parts store?
> > > >
> > > > Daren McMorris
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >

Re: Warn 8274 Motor Problems
 

I've seen the synthetic rope on just about every winch made. EROCC ran
approx 60 vehicles each competition and NEVER saw any winch failures.
Believe me these winches were worked hard. I don't think that on an 8274
the cable acts as a sink for the motor....the transfer of heat from the
motor, to the gear box, and then finally to the cable roll is not plausible.

Daren

"SB" <chicbearsmook@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:9Vsnc.1753$n7P1.782@twister01.bloor.is.net.ca ble.rogers.com...
> I've seen the results of a lightning strike that happened to hit a
cable-way
> at an airport. It actually hit the pull-pit where most junctions were
made.
> It fused a bunch of wires in to one mass and some were just blown apart.
> Would the sythetic rope melt to itself if it was supposed to sink heat?
>
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:409E38DD.EE3F9406@sympatico.ca...
> > Is the blown motor why Warn says 'not' to use the synthetic rope?
> >
> > Isn't that where they say the motor will overheat and die?
> >
> > It uses the steel rope as a heat sink.
> >
> > I would say it's time to open it up and see where the solder connection
> > melted.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > SB wrote:
> > >
> > > Not sure I'd call that a complete rebuild. But depending on what you
> > > problem is....might work.
> > >
> > > looked more of a mechanical overhaul. He didn't do anything with the
> > > motor/electrical.
> > >
> > > How does that synthetic rope compare to wire rope?
> > >
> > > "Daren McMorris" <dmcmorris@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
> > > news:iUgnc.20518$jU.1535969@twister.southeast.rr.c om...
> > > > All Solenoids are functioning properly and distributing power
> according to
> > > > the schematic. http://www.pirate4x4.com/tech/billavista/8274/ Now
my
> > > only
> > > > conclusion is that there is a problem with the motor. Here is my
> > > > question....Is it cheaper for a rebuild or to buy a rebuilt one?
Can
> this
> > > > be purchased at a parts store?
> > > >
> > > > Daren McMorris
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
>
>