Trail(er) trash
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Re: Trail(er) trash and Nature *****
I've spent far more hours (days...weeks) in the back country with boots
on my feet and a pack on my back than I have in a Jeep and I appreciate
as much as anyone the peace and beauty of being out there and away from
civilization. It can be absolutely wonderful to be in a beautiful place
far from anywhere and hear no sounds except for the sounds of nature.
There are also few things as much fun as charging down a rough trail in
a Jeep, yes a part of it is knowing what your machinery can do, another
part of it is knowing what you are capable of making it do. The best
4wd vehicle in the world is useless if the driver doesn't know how to
drive it.
Yep, there are yahoo's out there in their 4weds who are pigs, but it's a
minority, but also the most disgusting thing I've seen out there is
little piles of human droppings and toilet paper behind the Icewater
Spring Shelter in the Great Smokey Mountain National Park, and the
nearest road is miles away.
Jeff DeWitt
R. Lander wrote:
> billy ray wrote:
>
>
>>Personally I find this story a bit far fetched.
>>
>>Not about an occasional yabbo driving through 'your fields' but that the
>>same people do it week after week after week and you do nothing about it
>>other than politely ask them to leave.
>
>
> Maybe because those types will vandalize your property if you threaten
> their "right" to do whatever the hell they want. The off-road
> subculture is full of degenerates and egomaniacs, in my experience. I
> don't mean anyone who owns a 4WD vehicle, I mean the people who are
> into it for no practical reason other than proving what the machinery
> can do. They are a shallow group of folks who spend a lot of money on
> stuff that really doesn't matter.
>
> I can walk a granite sluice faster than a Jeep can crawl it, so what's
> the point? On foot, you can get plenty of wilderness time without
> traveling 30 miles, hauling in loads of garbage and polluting the air
> with fumes and noise.
>
> R. Lander
>
on my feet and a pack on my back than I have in a Jeep and I appreciate
as much as anyone the peace and beauty of being out there and away from
civilization. It can be absolutely wonderful to be in a beautiful place
far from anywhere and hear no sounds except for the sounds of nature.
There are also few things as much fun as charging down a rough trail in
a Jeep, yes a part of it is knowing what your machinery can do, another
part of it is knowing what you are capable of making it do. The best
4wd vehicle in the world is useless if the driver doesn't know how to
drive it.
Yep, there are yahoo's out there in their 4weds who are pigs, but it's a
minority, but also the most disgusting thing I've seen out there is
little piles of human droppings and toilet paper behind the Icewater
Spring Shelter in the Great Smokey Mountain National Park, and the
nearest road is miles away.
Jeff DeWitt
R. Lander wrote:
> billy ray wrote:
>
>
>>Personally I find this story a bit far fetched.
>>
>>Not about an occasional yabbo driving through 'your fields' but that the
>>same people do it week after week after week and you do nothing about it
>>other than politely ask them to leave.
>
>
> Maybe because those types will vandalize your property if you threaten
> their "right" to do whatever the hell they want. The off-road
> subculture is full of degenerates and egomaniacs, in my experience. I
> don't mean anyone who owns a 4WD vehicle, I mean the people who are
> into it for no practical reason other than proving what the machinery
> can do. They are a shallow group of folks who spend a lot of money on
> stuff that really doesn't matter.
>
> I can walk a granite sluice faster than a Jeep can crawl it, so what's
> the point? On foot, you can get plenty of wilderness time without
> traveling 30 miles, hauling in loads of garbage and polluting the air
> with fumes and noise.
>
> R. Lander
>
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Re: Trail(er) trash and Nature *****
"In 1969, when ARPANET was initiated, AlGore was assigned to Ft Rucker,
Alabama as an information officer safe from the Vietnam War.
When he was later (1971) sent to Bien Hoa Air Base to work as a staff
reporter. An Army photographer, H. Alan Leo, said his commanding officer,
Brig. Gen. Kenneth Cooper, called him in before Mr. Gore arrived. "His exact
words were, 'This is not a direct order, but I want to make sure this person
does not get into a situation he cannot get out of.' "
Mr. Gore has occasionally added a splash of color to the tableau when
describing his military service. Years ago, he told reporters he was shot at
in Vietnam when he was not -- an exaggeration that may have been less an
attempt to mislead than to make his experience more vivid.
When asked about those statements, Mr. Gore said only this, "I wasn't shot
at, but I was in areas where there was firing." He mentioned a trip with
Mike O'Hara, now a sportswriter for The Detroit News, to Khe Sanh, near the
DMZ, where Army engineers were re-opening an abandoned airstrip.
"They sent in the infantry to secure it and there were helicopter gunships
firing," Mr. Gore added. "My buddy kidded me for digging a foxhole, but
there was firing in the hills surrounding there. It wasn't aimed at me, but
I wasn't sure of that." Mr. O'Hara, Mr. Gore's closest friend in Vietnam,
has said he recalls gunfire, too -- all outgoing.
According to a CNN transcript of an interview with Wolf Blitzer, Al Gore
said,"During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative
in creating the Internet."
Al Gore was not yet in Congress in 1969 when ARPANET started or in 1974 when
the term Internet first came into use. Gore was elected to Congress in
1976."
"L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
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> What you're not showing proper respect for his invention of our
> internet??????
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> billy ray wrote:
>>
>> Jeff that is a terrible thing to say about Mr. Gore's loss in the 2000
>> election.
>>
>> He was a nutcase long before then. In his 1992 literary masterpiece
>> "Earth
>> in the Balance: Forging a New Common Purpose" he says he would rather see
>> women to die a horrible painful death than to cut down a tree.
>>
>> I assume that is why the tree huggers support him...
Alabama as an information officer safe from the Vietnam War.
When he was later (1971) sent to Bien Hoa Air Base to work as a staff
reporter. An Army photographer, H. Alan Leo, said his commanding officer,
Brig. Gen. Kenneth Cooper, called him in before Mr. Gore arrived. "His exact
words were, 'This is not a direct order, but I want to make sure this person
does not get into a situation he cannot get out of.' "
Mr. Gore has occasionally added a splash of color to the tableau when
describing his military service. Years ago, he told reporters he was shot at
in Vietnam when he was not -- an exaggeration that may have been less an
attempt to mislead than to make his experience more vivid.
When asked about those statements, Mr. Gore said only this, "I wasn't shot
at, but I was in areas where there was firing." He mentioned a trip with
Mike O'Hara, now a sportswriter for The Detroit News, to Khe Sanh, near the
DMZ, where Army engineers were re-opening an abandoned airstrip.
"They sent in the infantry to secure it and there were helicopter gunships
firing," Mr. Gore added. "My buddy kidded me for digging a foxhole, but
there was firing in the hills surrounding there. It wasn't aimed at me, but
I wasn't sure of that." Mr. O'Hara, Mr. Gore's closest friend in Vietnam,
has said he recalls gunfire, too -- all outgoing.
According to a CNN transcript of an interview with Wolf Blitzer, Al Gore
said,"During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative
in creating the Internet."
Al Gore was not yet in Congress in 1969 when ARPANET started or in 1974 when
the term Internet first came into use. Gore was elected to Congress in
1976."
"L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:44825482.10366C25@***.net...
> What you're not showing proper respect for his invention of our
> internet??????
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> billy ray wrote:
>>
>> Jeff that is a terrible thing to say about Mr. Gore's loss in the 2000
>> election.
>>
>> He was a nutcase long before then. In his 1992 literary masterpiece
>> "Earth
>> in the Balance: Forging a New Common Purpose" he says he would rather see
>> women to die a horrible painful death than to cut down a tree.
>>
>> I assume that is why the tree huggers support him...
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Re: Trail(er) trash and Nature *****
"In 1969, when ARPANET was initiated, AlGore was assigned to Ft Rucker,
Alabama as an information officer safe from the Vietnam War.
When he was later (1971) sent to Bien Hoa Air Base to work as a staff
reporter. An Army photographer, H. Alan Leo, said his commanding officer,
Brig. Gen. Kenneth Cooper, called him in before Mr. Gore arrived. "His exact
words were, 'This is not a direct order, but I want to make sure this person
does not get into a situation he cannot get out of.' "
Mr. Gore has occasionally added a splash of color to the tableau when
describing his military service. Years ago, he told reporters he was shot at
in Vietnam when he was not -- an exaggeration that may have been less an
attempt to mislead than to make his experience more vivid.
When asked about those statements, Mr. Gore said only this, "I wasn't shot
at, but I was in areas where there was firing." He mentioned a trip with
Mike O'Hara, now a sportswriter for The Detroit News, to Khe Sanh, near the
DMZ, where Army engineers were re-opening an abandoned airstrip.
"They sent in the infantry to secure it and there were helicopter gunships
firing," Mr. Gore added. "My buddy kidded me for digging a foxhole, but
there was firing in the hills surrounding there. It wasn't aimed at me, but
I wasn't sure of that." Mr. O'Hara, Mr. Gore's closest friend in Vietnam,
has said he recalls gunfire, too -- all outgoing.
According to a CNN transcript of an interview with Wolf Blitzer, Al Gore
said,"During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative
in creating the Internet."
Al Gore was not yet in Congress in 1969 when ARPANET started or in 1974 when
the term Internet first came into use. Gore was elected to Congress in
1976."
"L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:44825482.10366C25@***.net...
> What you're not showing proper respect for his invention of our
> internet??????
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> billy ray wrote:
>>
>> Jeff that is a terrible thing to say about Mr. Gore's loss in the 2000
>> election.
>>
>> He was a nutcase long before then. In his 1992 literary masterpiece
>> "Earth
>> in the Balance: Forging a New Common Purpose" he says he would rather see
>> women to die a horrible painful death than to cut down a tree.
>>
>> I assume that is why the tree huggers support him...
Alabama as an information officer safe from the Vietnam War.
When he was later (1971) sent to Bien Hoa Air Base to work as a staff
reporter. An Army photographer, H. Alan Leo, said his commanding officer,
Brig. Gen. Kenneth Cooper, called him in before Mr. Gore arrived. "His exact
words were, 'This is not a direct order, but I want to make sure this person
does not get into a situation he cannot get out of.' "
Mr. Gore has occasionally added a splash of color to the tableau when
describing his military service. Years ago, he told reporters he was shot at
in Vietnam when he was not -- an exaggeration that may have been less an
attempt to mislead than to make his experience more vivid.
When asked about those statements, Mr. Gore said only this, "I wasn't shot
at, but I was in areas where there was firing." He mentioned a trip with
Mike O'Hara, now a sportswriter for The Detroit News, to Khe Sanh, near the
DMZ, where Army engineers were re-opening an abandoned airstrip.
"They sent in the infantry to secure it and there were helicopter gunships
firing," Mr. Gore added. "My buddy kidded me for digging a foxhole, but
there was firing in the hills surrounding there. It wasn't aimed at me, but
I wasn't sure of that." Mr. O'Hara, Mr. Gore's closest friend in Vietnam,
has said he recalls gunfire, too -- all outgoing.
According to a CNN transcript of an interview with Wolf Blitzer, Al Gore
said,"During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative
in creating the Internet."
Al Gore was not yet in Congress in 1969 when ARPANET started or in 1974 when
the term Internet first came into use. Gore was elected to Congress in
1976."
"L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:44825482.10366C25@***.net...
> What you're not showing proper respect for his invention of our
> internet??????
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> billy ray wrote:
>>
>> Jeff that is a terrible thing to say about Mr. Gore's loss in the 2000
>> election.
>>
>> He was a nutcase long before then. In his 1992 literary masterpiece
>> "Earth
>> in the Balance: Forging a New Common Purpose" he says he would rather see
>> women to die a horrible painful death than to cut down a tree.
>>
>> I assume that is why the tree huggers support him...
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Re: Trail(er) trash and Nature *****
"In 1969, when ARPANET was initiated, AlGore was assigned to Ft Rucker,
Alabama as an information officer safe from the Vietnam War.
When he was later (1971) sent to Bien Hoa Air Base to work as a staff
reporter. An Army photographer, H. Alan Leo, said his commanding officer,
Brig. Gen. Kenneth Cooper, called him in before Mr. Gore arrived. "His exact
words were, 'This is not a direct order, but I want to make sure this person
does not get into a situation he cannot get out of.' "
Mr. Gore has occasionally added a splash of color to the tableau when
describing his military service. Years ago, he told reporters he was shot at
in Vietnam when he was not -- an exaggeration that may have been less an
attempt to mislead than to make his experience more vivid.
When asked about those statements, Mr. Gore said only this, "I wasn't shot
at, but I was in areas where there was firing." He mentioned a trip with
Mike O'Hara, now a sportswriter for The Detroit News, to Khe Sanh, near the
DMZ, where Army engineers were re-opening an abandoned airstrip.
"They sent in the infantry to secure it and there were helicopter gunships
firing," Mr. Gore added. "My buddy kidded me for digging a foxhole, but
there was firing in the hills surrounding there. It wasn't aimed at me, but
I wasn't sure of that." Mr. O'Hara, Mr. Gore's closest friend in Vietnam,
has said he recalls gunfire, too -- all outgoing.
According to a CNN transcript of an interview with Wolf Blitzer, Al Gore
said,"During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative
in creating the Internet."
Al Gore was not yet in Congress in 1969 when ARPANET started or in 1974 when
the term Internet first came into use. Gore was elected to Congress in
1976."
"L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:44825482.10366C25@***.net...
> What you're not showing proper respect for his invention of our
> internet??????
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> billy ray wrote:
>>
>> Jeff that is a terrible thing to say about Mr. Gore's loss in the 2000
>> election.
>>
>> He was a nutcase long before then. In his 1992 literary masterpiece
>> "Earth
>> in the Balance: Forging a New Common Purpose" he says he would rather see
>> women to die a horrible painful death than to cut down a tree.
>>
>> I assume that is why the tree huggers support him...
Alabama as an information officer safe from the Vietnam War.
When he was later (1971) sent to Bien Hoa Air Base to work as a staff
reporter. An Army photographer, H. Alan Leo, said his commanding officer,
Brig. Gen. Kenneth Cooper, called him in before Mr. Gore arrived. "His exact
words were, 'This is not a direct order, but I want to make sure this person
does not get into a situation he cannot get out of.' "
Mr. Gore has occasionally added a splash of color to the tableau when
describing his military service. Years ago, he told reporters he was shot at
in Vietnam when he was not -- an exaggeration that may have been less an
attempt to mislead than to make his experience more vivid.
When asked about those statements, Mr. Gore said only this, "I wasn't shot
at, but I was in areas where there was firing." He mentioned a trip with
Mike O'Hara, now a sportswriter for The Detroit News, to Khe Sanh, near the
DMZ, where Army engineers were re-opening an abandoned airstrip.
"They sent in the infantry to secure it and there were helicopter gunships
firing," Mr. Gore added. "My buddy kidded me for digging a foxhole, but
there was firing in the hills surrounding there. It wasn't aimed at me, but
I wasn't sure of that." Mr. O'Hara, Mr. Gore's closest friend in Vietnam,
has said he recalls gunfire, too -- all outgoing.
According to a CNN transcript of an interview with Wolf Blitzer, Al Gore
said,"During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative
in creating the Internet."
Al Gore was not yet in Congress in 1969 when ARPANET started or in 1974 when
the term Internet first came into use. Gore was elected to Congress in
1976."
"L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:44825482.10366C25@***.net...
> What you're not showing proper respect for his invention of our
> internet??????
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> billy ray wrote:
>>
>> Jeff that is a terrible thing to say about Mr. Gore's loss in the 2000
>> election.
>>
>> He was a nutcase long before then. In his 1992 literary masterpiece
>> "Earth
>> in the Balance: Forging a New Common Purpose" he says he would rather see
>> women to die a horrible painful death than to cut down a tree.
>>
>> I assume that is why the tree huggers support him...
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Re: Human footprint maps (was: Trail(er) trash)
Do you still have a 30 inch stride?
"L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
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> Nope, the forced marches our ARMY lead me on pretty well took care
> of any hiking feels I may have had.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
>>
>> Bill, I'll bet you're in the same hiking club, that Doug and I are in.
>> ;^)
>>
>> Earle
"L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
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> Nope, the forced marches our ARMY lead me on pretty well took care
> of any hiking feels I may have had.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
>>
>> Bill, I'll bet you're in the same hiking club, that Doug and I are in.
>> ;^)
>>
>> Earle
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Re: Human footprint maps (was: Trail(er) trash)
Do you still have a 30 inch stride?
"L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:44825B40.2149F82D@***.net...
> Nope, the forced marches our ARMY lead me on pretty well took care
> of any hiking feels I may have had.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
>>
>> Bill, I'll bet you're in the same hiking club, that Doug and I are in.
>> ;^)
>>
>> Earle
"L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:44825B40.2149F82D@***.net...
> Nope, the forced marches our ARMY lead me on pretty well took care
> of any hiking feels I may have had.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
>>
>> Bill, I'll bet you're in the same hiking club, that Doug and I are in.
>> ;^)
>>
>> Earle
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Re: Human footprint maps (was: Trail(er) trash)
Do you still have a 30 inch stride?
"L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:44825B40.2149F82D@***.net...
> Nope, the forced marches our ARMY lead me on pretty well took care
> of any hiking feels I may have had.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
>>
>> Bill, I'll bet you're in the same hiking club, that Doug and I are in.
>> ;^)
>>
>> Earle
"L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:44825B40.2149F82D@***.net...
> Nope, the forced marches our ARMY lead me on pretty well took care
> of any hiking feels I may have had.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
>>
>> Bill, I'll bet you're in the same hiking club, that Doug and I are in.
>> ;^)
>>
>> Earle
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Re: Human footprint maps (was: Trail(er) trash)
I never thought about it, I've always thought my one yard step off
was accurate. My legs are shorter than most with a 29" inseam on my six,
two frame. I remember while marching my head bobbed a little different
than the others.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
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billy ray wrote:
>
> Do you still have a 30 inch stride?
was accurate. My legs are shorter than most with a 29" inseam on my six,
two frame. I remember while marching my head bobbed a little different
than the others.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
billy ray wrote:
>
> Do you still have a 30 inch stride?
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Re: Human footprint maps (was: Trail(er) trash)
I never thought about it, I've always thought my one yard step off
was accurate. My legs are shorter than most with a 29" inseam on my six,
two frame. I remember while marching my head bobbed a little different
than the others.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
billy ray wrote:
>
> Do you still have a 30 inch stride?
was accurate. My legs are shorter than most with a 29" inseam on my six,
two frame. I remember while marching my head bobbed a little different
than the others.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
billy ray wrote:
>
> Do you still have a 30 inch stride?
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Re: Human footprint maps (was: Trail(er) trash)
I never thought about it, I've always thought my one yard step off
was accurate. My legs are shorter than most with a 29" inseam on my six,
two frame. I remember while marching my head bobbed a little different
than the others.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
billy ray wrote:
>
> Do you still have a 30 inch stride?
was accurate. My legs are shorter than most with a 29" inseam on my six,
two frame. I remember while marching my head bobbed a little different
than the others.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
billy ray wrote:
>
> Do you still have a 30 inch stride?
