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DougW wrote:
>
> Earle Horton did pass the time by typing:
> > Mike, I've been called an ------- before, but it has little to do with my
> > hiking. Usually, people like it when I go hiking for a few days. ;^)
>
> People are allways telling me to take a hike.
>
> --
> DougW

 

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DougW wrote:
>
> Earle Horton did pass the time by typing:
> > Mike, I've been called an ------- before, but it has little to do with my
> > hiking. Usually, people like it when I go hiking for a few days. ;^)
>
> People are allways telling me to take a hike.
>
> --
> DougW

 

LOL
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mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

DougW wrote:
>
> Earle Horton did pass the time by typing:
> > Mike, I've been called an ------- before, but it has little to do with my
> > hiking. Usually, people like it when I go hiking for a few days. ;^)
>
> People are allways telling me to take a hike.
>
> --
> DougW

 

"Lon" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:H5WdnUEzob6mmR_ZnZ2dnUVZ_vednZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> Earle Horton proclaimed:
>
> > "Lon" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
> > news:_ZydnZDzes2tZx3ZnZ2dnUVZ_qWdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> >
> >>C. E. White proclaimed:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>>Believe what you will, it happens all the time. Usually I only see the
> >>>results (tracks cut in paths and fields), but occasionally one of the
> >>>geniuses gets stuck. I've found trucks buried up to the axles, laying
> >>>on the sides in the ditches, sitting across ditches, or just not
> >>>running.
> >>>I've tried asking the Sheriff for help - what a joke!
> >>
> >>Name of Sheriff, name of community?
> >>
> >>I'm not calling you a liar, but trespass is trespass.
> >
> >
> > Lon,
> >
> > I am not a lawyer, but there is a difference between civil trespass and
> > criminal trespass. There are statutory guidelines and case law
> > particular to every jurisdiction, but in most cases the difference
> > involves "prosecutorial discretion", i.e. whether the police want
> > to get involved or not. If the complainant is perceived as a nut
> > job by the local authorities, there is no personal injury, and property
> > damage is minimal, then it this most likely going to be a civil matter.
>
> Most farming communities I've been around consider the simple act of
> leaving a rut in a crop field more than just trespass. There may be
> somewhere that local laws don't protect farmers from damage....
>
>
There is no agricultural zoned land in San Juan County, CO. That could be
the place you are thinking about. We have a private landowner, who objects
to skiers from an adjacent ski area, leased from the BLM, skiing across his
land. I just heard, that the county commissioners are initiating
condemnation proceedings against him. Recall the recent Supreme Court
decision, that made it legal, for local governments to step in, where
private landowners "interfere" with economic development. This isn't quite
the same as what Mr. White is complaining about, but it does reflect the
same appalling lack of respect for the private property owner.

There are lots of orphaned farms in this country too, places where there is
one farm left, in a place that has gone suburban. Juries wouldn't know, or
care, that a rut in a crop field constitutes damage. In Fort Collins they
fined a farmer for harvesting alfalfa after dark, because it disturbed the
sleep of those, who had recently moved into an adjacent subdivision. There
are some jurisdictions too, where they don't like the smell of pig manure.
Lots of the "salt of the earth" around here are moving to Nebraska. It
seems that residents of wealthy Front Range communities don't really know,
which side their bread is buttered on, or where bread and butter come from.
We do have "right to farm" communities in this state, where that sort of
thing is frowned upon.

Civil or criminal? Depends on the jurisdiction. I would be consulting a
local lawyer, to see if there is any way to impound one of those vehicles
legally. Act quickly, have the truck in a tow service yard with pit bulls
sleeping in it, with a huge bill for towing and damages to the field too,
and you might scare off some of these "geniuses".

Earle



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"Lon" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:H5WdnUEzob6mmR_ZnZ2dnUVZ_vednZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> Earle Horton proclaimed:
>
> > "Lon" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
> > news:_ZydnZDzes2tZx3ZnZ2dnUVZ_qWdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> >
> >>C. E. White proclaimed:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>>Believe what you will, it happens all the time. Usually I only see the
> >>>results (tracks cut in paths and fields), but occasionally one of the
> >>>geniuses gets stuck. I've found trucks buried up to the axles, laying
> >>>on the sides in the ditches, sitting across ditches, or just not
> >>>running.
> >>>I've tried asking the Sheriff for help - what a joke!
> >>
> >>Name of Sheriff, name of community?
> >>
> >>I'm not calling you a liar, but trespass is trespass.
> >
> >
> > Lon,
> >
> > I am not a lawyer, but there is a difference between civil trespass and
> > criminal trespass. There are statutory guidelines and case law
> > particular to every jurisdiction, but in most cases the difference
> > involves "prosecutorial discretion", i.e. whether the police want
> > to get involved or not. If the complainant is perceived as a nut
> > job by the local authorities, there is no personal injury, and property
> > damage is minimal, then it this most likely going to be a civil matter.
>
> Most farming communities I've been around consider the simple act of
> leaving a rut in a crop field more than just trespass. There may be
> somewhere that local laws don't protect farmers from damage....
>
>
There is no agricultural zoned land in San Juan County, CO. That could be
the place you are thinking about. We have a private landowner, who objects
to skiers from an adjacent ski area, leased from the BLM, skiing across his
land. I just heard, that the county commissioners are initiating
condemnation proceedings against him. Recall the recent Supreme Court
decision, that made it legal, for local governments to step in, where
private landowners "interfere" with economic development. This isn't quite
the same as what Mr. White is complaining about, but it does reflect the
same appalling lack of respect for the private property owner.

There are lots of orphaned farms in this country too, places where there is
one farm left, in a place that has gone suburban. Juries wouldn't know, or
care, that a rut in a crop field constitutes damage. In Fort Collins they
fined a farmer for harvesting alfalfa after dark, because it disturbed the
sleep of those, who had recently moved into an adjacent subdivision. There
are some jurisdictions too, where they don't like the smell of pig manure.
Lots of the "salt of the earth" around here are moving to Nebraska. It
seems that residents of wealthy Front Range communities don't really know,
which side their bread is buttered on, or where bread and butter come from.
We do have "right to farm" communities in this state, where that sort of
thing is frowned upon.

Civil or criminal? Depends on the jurisdiction. I would be consulting a
local lawyer, to see if there is any way to impound one of those vehicles
legally. Act quickly, have the truck in a tow service yard with pit bulls
sleeping in it, with a huge bill for towing and damages to the field too,
and you might scare off some of these "geniuses".

Earle



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"Lon" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:H5WdnUEzob6mmR_ZnZ2dnUVZ_vednZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> Earle Horton proclaimed:
>
> > "Lon" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
> > news:_ZydnZDzes2tZx3ZnZ2dnUVZ_qWdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> >
> >>C. E. White proclaimed:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>>Believe what you will, it happens all the time. Usually I only see the
> >>>results (tracks cut in paths and fields), but occasionally one of the
> >>>geniuses gets stuck. I've found trucks buried up to the axles, laying
> >>>on the sides in the ditches, sitting across ditches, or just not
> >>>running.
> >>>I've tried asking the Sheriff for help - what a joke!
> >>
> >>Name of Sheriff, name of community?
> >>
> >>I'm not calling you a liar, but trespass is trespass.
> >
> >
> > Lon,
> >
> > I am not a lawyer, but there is a difference between civil trespass and
> > criminal trespass. There are statutory guidelines and case law
> > particular to every jurisdiction, but in most cases the difference
> > involves "prosecutorial discretion", i.e. whether the police want
> > to get involved or not. If the complainant is perceived as a nut
> > job by the local authorities, there is no personal injury, and property
> > damage is minimal, then it this most likely going to be a civil matter.
>
> Most farming communities I've been around consider the simple act of
> leaving a rut in a crop field more than just trespass. There may be
> somewhere that local laws don't protect farmers from damage....
>
>
There is no agricultural zoned land in San Juan County, CO. That could be
the place you are thinking about. We have a private landowner, who objects
to skiers from an adjacent ski area, leased from the BLM, skiing across his
land. I just heard, that the county commissioners are initiating
condemnation proceedings against him. Recall the recent Supreme Court
decision, that made it legal, for local governments to step in, where
private landowners "interfere" with economic development. This isn't quite
the same as what Mr. White is complaining about, but it does reflect the
same appalling lack of respect for the private property owner.

There are lots of orphaned farms in this country too, places where there is
one farm left, in a place that has gone suburban. Juries wouldn't know, or
care, that a rut in a crop field constitutes damage. In Fort Collins they
fined a farmer for harvesting alfalfa after dark, because it disturbed the
sleep of those, who had recently moved into an adjacent subdivision. There
are some jurisdictions too, where they don't like the smell of pig manure.
Lots of the "salt of the earth" around here are moving to Nebraska. It
seems that residents of wealthy Front Range communities don't really know,
which side their bread is buttered on, or where bread and butter come from.
We do have "right to farm" communities in this state, where that sort of
thing is frowned upon.

Civil or criminal? Depends on the jurisdiction. I would be consulting a
local lawyer, to see if there is any way to impound one of those vehicles
legally. Act quickly, have the truck in a tow service yard with pit bulls
sleeping in it, with a huge bill for towing and damages to the field too,
and you might scare off some of these "geniuses".

Earle



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Mike?????
Why isn't anyone deleting the crossposts???? You know what type of
rift raft that brings in, let alone it's one of our charter violations!
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Mike Romain wrote:
>
> Who said anything about demanding more roads? You are as bad as
> Vandeman for making up BS. Folks just want the existing roads or trails
> protected for 'all' users, not just the elite ******** of the hiking
> community. You are one, (an -------) that is so by your logic all
> hikers are ********....
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

 

Mike?????
Why isn't anyone deleting the crossposts???? You know what type of
rift raft that brings in, let alone it's one of our charter violations!
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Mike Romain wrote:
>
> Who said anything about demanding more roads? You are as bad as
> Vandeman for making up BS. Folks just want the existing roads or trails
> protected for 'all' users, not just the elite ******** of the hiking
> community. You are one, (an -------) that is so by your logic all
> hikers are ********....
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

 

Mike?????
Why isn't anyone deleting the crossposts???? You know what type of
rift raft that brings in, let alone it's one of our charter violations!
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Mike Romain wrote:
>
> Who said anything about demanding more roads? You are as bad as
> Vandeman for making up BS. Folks just want the existing roads or trails
> protected for 'all' users, not just the elite ******** of the hiking
> community. You are one, (an -------) that is so by your logic all
> hikers are ********....
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

 

Bill, I'll bet you're in the same hiking club, that Doug and I are in. ;^)

Earle

"L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:4482569F.252200CE@***.net...
> LOL
> --
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> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> DougW wrote:
> >
> > Earle Horton did pass the time by typing:
> > > Mike, I've been called an ------- before, but it has little to do with
my
> > > hiking. Usually, people like it when I go hiking for a few days. ;^)
> >
> > People are allways telling me to take a hike.
> >
> > --
> > DougW