Mt Everest trash collection:

http://www.mounteverest.net/news.php?id=7926


"Dave Milne" <whoneeds@toknow.com> wrote in message
news:HHUfg.79769$wl.2268@text.news.blueyonder.co.u k...
> Will the son of a bitch who managed to drive their Jeep up Everest
> and leave behind all manner of ----, please stand up.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
>
> "Mike" <mik@localnet.com> wrote in message
> news:ziLfg.2771$Oh1.1272@news01.roc.ny...
>> What utter -------- !!! What makes you think any one group is any
>> more
>> responsible for leaving trash on the trails ? Where I hike I see the same
>> trash on the trails and these are hiking trails only. It's not unusual to
>> hike in 6-8 miles and find beer bottles and cans, candy wrappers, plastic
>> bottles, empty propane cylinders and anything else you can imagine. I
> just
>> can't figure out how someone can manage to hike in with a case of beer
>> but
>> can't carry the empties out. Some people are just slobs, the method of
>> transportation does not matter. It is a few bad apples that ruin things
> for
>> everyone else.
>
>

 

Mt Everest trash collection:

http://www.mounteverest.net/news.php?id=7926


"Dave Milne" <whoneeds@toknow.com> wrote in message
news:HHUfg.79769$wl.2268@text.news.blueyonder.co.u k...
> Will the son of a bitch who managed to drive their Jeep up Everest
> and leave behind all manner of ----, please stand up.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
>
> "Mike" <mik@localnet.com> wrote in message
> news:ziLfg.2771$Oh1.1272@news01.roc.ny...
>> What utter -------- !!! What makes you think any one group is any
>> more
>> responsible for leaving trash on the trails ? Where I hike I see the same
>> trash on the trails and these are hiking trails only. It's not unusual to
>> hike in 6-8 miles and find beer bottles and cans, candy wrappers, plastic
>> bottles, empty propane cylinders and anything else you can imagine. I
> just
>> can't figure out how someone can manage to hike in with a case of beer
>> but
>> can't carry the empties out. Some people are just slobs, the method of
>> transportation does not matter. It is a few bad apples that ruin things
> for
>> everyone else.
>
>

 

Jeff DeWitt wrote:
> The ****'s were the "National Socialist German Workers Party", which is
> hardly far right!

Wrongo-bongo. Government and industry in close partnership is very
right wing...

Dan

 

Mt Everest trash collection:

http://www.mounteverest.net/news.php?id=7926


"Dave Milne" <whoneeds@toknow.com> wrote in message
news:HHUfg.79769$wl.2268@text.news.blueyonder.co.u k...
> Will the son of a bitch who managed to drive their Jeep up Everest
> and leave behind all manner of ----, please stand up.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
>
> "Mike" <mik@localnet.com> wrote in message
> news:ziLfg.2771$Oh1.1272@news01.roc.ny...
>> What utter -------- !!! What makes you think any one group is any
>> more
>> responsible for leaving trash on the trails ? Where I hike I see the same
>> trash on the trails and these are hiking trails only. It's not unusual to
>> hike in 6-8 miles and find beer bottles and cans, candy wrappers, plastic
>> bottles, empty propane cylinders and anything else you can imagine. I
> just
>> can't figure out how someone can manage to hike in with a case of beer
>> but
>> can't carry the empties out. Some people are just slobs, the method of
>> transportation does not matter. It is a few bad apples that ruin things
> for
>> everyone else.
>
>

 

You think that as many as 20% are the troublemakers?


"Coasty" <uscg_ret at comcast dot net> wrote in message
news:T46dnbTup8jCiB3ZnZ2dnUVZ_tidnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>I love hypocritical egregious extremist people, they often have a narrow
>view. This is evident in lumping one particular group of people into a
>single category and all of them being offenders and not caring what ever
>the cause may be also, always touting the sky is falling.
>
> There is the 80/20 rule which has been proven and measured. 80% of the
> people are good and do the right thing 20% of the people are dirt bags.
>
> Maybe you should target the 20% and include yourself in the 20% for your
> narrow minded lumping of all people in a particular group.
>
> I always laugh at the extremist what ever the cause it is better than the
> Last Comic show TV and it is free entertainment.
>
> Coasty
> Coasty
>
>
>
>
> "R. Lander" <r_lander60@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1149175697.422954.235760@f6g2000cwb.googlegro ups.com...
>> The "respect" for nature shown by offroad enthusiasts is documented by
>> all the cans, bottles and wrappers they toss on scenic trails. The
>> Rubicon near Lake Tahoe shows how these anthropocentric mouth-breathers
>> view the land. They can't be bothered carrying a trash bag and packing
>> it out. No room in the Jeep or some other excuse.
>>
>> People with a conquer-nature mentality have little respect for its
>> sanctity. The show stealer is their fancy machinery, not the land.
>> Nature is just another place to make noise and whoop it up. It's hard
>> to prove, but the number of offroad litterers is probably at least 25%.
>> It goes beyond a few rotten apples making the rest look bad.
>>
>> It's very simple: people who bash environmentalism don't respect the
>> environment that much. They talk of "extremism" but effective
>> protection will always seem extreme to those who want land UNprotected.
>> Environmental problems are people problems and more people create more
>> impact. Population can't continue without stealing more land. That's
>> the crux of all these conflicts. It's not about shadowy entities trying
>> to block your rights, it's more people fighting over less acreage.
>>
>> In the lower 48 states, there's no real frontier left. We don't need
>> more machines, noise and trail(er) trash invading the last wild, quiet
>> places. Be happy with all the trails you've got. If you find those
>> trails overcrowded, blame human overbreeding, not environmentalism.
>>
>> R. Lander
>>
>
>

 

You think that as many as 20% are the troublemakers?


"Coasty" <uscg_ret at comcast dot net> wrote in message
news:T46dnbTup8jCiB3ZnZ2dnUVZ_tidnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>I love hypocritical egregious extremist people, they often have a narrow
>view. This is evident in lumping one particular group of people into a
>single category and all of them being offenders and not caring what ever
>the cause may be also, always touting the sky is falling.
>
> There is the 80/20 rule which has been proven and measured. 80% of the
> people are good and do the right thing 20% of the people are dirt bags.
>
> Maybe you should target the 20% and include yourself in the 20% for your
> narrow minded lumping of all people in a particular group.
>
> I always laugh at the extremist what ever the cause it is better than the
> Last Comic show TV and it is free entertainment.
>
> Coasty
> Coasty
>
>
>
>
> "R. Lander" <r_lander60@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1149175697.422954.235760@f6g2000cwb.googlegro ups.com...
>> The "respect" for nature shown by offroad enthusiasts is documented by
>> all the cans, bottles and wrappers they toss on scenic trails. The
>> Rubicon near Lake Tahoe shows how these anthropocentric mouth-breathers
>> view the land. They can't be bothered carrying a trash bag and packing
>> it out. No room in the Jeep or some other excuse.
>>
>> People with a conquer-nature mentality have little respect for its
>> sanctity. The show stealer is their fancy machinery, not the land.
>> Nature is just another place to make noise and whoop it up. It's hard
>> to prove, but the number of offroad litterers is probably at least 25%.
>> It goes beyond a few rotten apples making the rest look bad.
>>
>> It's very simple: people who bash environmentalism don't respect the
>> environment that much. They talk of "extremism" but effective
>> protection will always seem extreme to those who want land UNprotected.
>> Environmental problems are people problems and more people create more
>> impact. Population can't continue without stealing more land. That's
>> the crux of all these conflicts. It's not about shadowy entities trying
>> to block your rights, it's more people fighting over less acreage.
>>
>> In the lower 48 states, there's no real frontier left. We don't need
>> more machines, noise and trail(er) trash invading the last wild, quiet
>> places. Be happy with all the trails you've got. If you find those
>> trails overcrowded, blame human overbreeding, not environmentalism.
>>
>> R. Lander
>>
>
>

 

You think that as many as 20% are the troublemakers?


"Coasty" <uscg_ret at comcast dot net> wrote in message
news:T46dnbTup8jCiB3ZnZ2dnUVZ_tidnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>I love hypocritical egregious extremist people, they often have a narrow
>view. This is evident in lumping one particular group of people into a
>single category and all of them being offenders and not caring what ever
>the cause may be also, always touting the sky is falling.
>
> There is the 80/20 rule which has been proven and measured. 80% of the
> people are good and do the right thing 20% of the people are dirt bags.
>
> Maybe you should target the 20% and include yourself in the 20% for your
> narrow minded lumping of all people in a particular group.
>
> I always laugh at the extremist what ever the cause it is better than the
> Last Comic show TV and it is free entertainment.
>
> Coasty
> Coasty
>
>
>
>
> "R. Lander" <r_lander60@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1149175697.422954.235760@f6g2000cwb.googlegro ups.com...
>> The "respect" for nature shown by offroad enthusiasts is documented by
>> all the cans, bottles and wrappers they toss on scenic trails. The
>> Rubicon near Lake Tahoe shows how these anthropocentric mouth-breathers
>> view the land. They can't be bothered carrying a trash bag and packing
>> it out. No room in the Jeep or some other excuse.
>>
>> People with a conquer-nature mentality have little respect for its
>> sanctity. The show stealer is their fancy machinery, not the land.
>> Nature is just another place to make noise and whoop it up. It's hard
>> to prove, but the number of offroad litterers is probably at least 25%.
>> It goes beyond a few rotten apples making the rest look bad.
>>
>> It's very simple: people who bash environmentalism don't respect the
>> environment that much. They talk of "extremism" but effective
>> protection will always seem extreme to those who want land UNprotected.
>> Environmental problems are people problems and more people create more
>> impact. Population can't continue without stealing more land. That's
>> the crux of all these conflicts. It's not about shadowy entities trying
>> to block your rights, it's more people fighting over less acreage.
>>
>> In the lower 48 states, there's no real frontier left. We don't need
>> more machines, noise and trail(er) trash invading the last wild, quiet
>> places. Be happy with all the trails you've got. If you find those
>> trails overcrowded, blame human overbreeding, not environmentalism.
>>
>> R. Lander
>>
>
>

 

"billy ray" <Kill.them.all@God.knows.his.own.com> wrote in message
news:dba1d$447f262f$48311525$10409@FUSE.NET...
> Personally I find this story a bit far fetched.
>
> Not about an occasional yabbo driving through 'your fields' but that the
> same people do it week after week after week and you do nothing about it
> other than politely ask them to leave.
>
> I grew up in a village surrounded by family farms and I never heard on any
> that would tolerate this. At the very least the damage would be
compensated
> and most likely the sheriff would not look kindly upon this.
>
> Methinks you are a troll or eco-weenie or have some other mental
> infirmary...... that or you are just a lying sack of dog doo...

Believe what you will, it happens all the time. Usually I only see the
results (tracks cut in paths and fields), but occasionally one of the
geniuses gets stuck. I've found trucks buried up to the axles, laying on the
sides in the ditches, sitting across ditches, or just not running. I've
tried asking the Sheriff for help - what a joke! I did have one four wheeler
ask me if it was Ok to ride around a field in the winter. I said no! Then
caught him down the road doing it anyhow. His excuse was that he did not
realize it was my field (I wonder who's field he thought it was?). He left
and I have not seen him since. I did not catch the guy who rode around in my
Soybean field. In that case I would have asked for damages. Some of my
fields are isolated (not on a main road and surrounded by trees) and this
makes them very attractive to four wheelers. They never ride around in plain
sight of a house We also have a logging path into our woodlands. I routinely
catch people down that path and ask them to leave. I don't want to put up a
gate, because that makes it hard for me and adds a potential liability issue
(one local farmer was sued when a kid on small four wheeler killed himself
by running into a chain on a path). To be fair to "four wheelers" they are
only third on my list of people who **** me off because they trespass on my
property -

1) People who discard trash - I've had a whole broken up out-house dumped on
my property. Old tires show up regularly. Bags of trash are common - despite
the presence of a county trash dump less than 2 miles away. I've gone
through the trash in the past and given the sheriff names. I was told they
couldn't "prove" the person dumped the trash just because their name was on
a letter in the trash. These days I do my best to identify the owner of the
trash and call them directly. Works about 50% of the time. And of course
there are just the low life people who treat roads as garbage cans. I find
lots of fast food wrappers, drink cups, and beer bottles liberally sprinkled
on the sides of the county roads through my property. Once someone dumped a
dishwasher off in the middle of a county road through my proerty. The state
motor grader operator came along and used his machine to shove it into my
woods. I raised hell about that, but the state did nothing. I finally hauled
it off myself. I've hauled off refrigerators and stoves that were dumped as
well. And these item can be taken to the county dump site less than 2 miles
away!

2) Hunters - We basically give anyone in the area who wants to hunt
permission to hunt as long as they promise to stay off the paths and not use
a rifle (shotguns and bows only). Most hunters follow these simple rules,
but there are always a few who use rifles and who can't resist driving down
my paths in wet weather (which tears them up). I've also had to chase off a
few people who think hunting involves target practice on trees. It is only a
matter of time until I put up no hunting signs. I hate to do it. My Father
was an avid hunter and he always wanted to allow other hunters the same
opportunities he had. However, there is less and less open land and more and
more hunters.And increasingly, the hunters aren't neighbors, they are coming
in from urban areas. Just like many of the four wheelers.

3) Four wheelers - already covered.

Ed

 

"billy ray" <Kill.them.all@God.knows.his.own.com> wrote in message
news:dba1d$447f262f$48311525$10409@FUSE.NET...
> Personally I find this story a bit far fetched.
>
> Not about an occasional yabbo driving through 'your fields' but that the
> same people do it week after week after week and you do nothing about it
> other than politely ask them to leave.
>
> I grew up in a village surrounded by family farms and I never heard on any
> that would tolerate this. At the very least the damage would be
compensated
> and most likely the sheriff would not look kindly upon this.
>
> Methinks you are a troll or eco-weenie or have some other mental
> infirmary...... that or you are just a lying sack of dog doo...

Believe what you will, it happens all the time. Usually I only see the
results (tracks cut in paths and fields), but occasionally one of the
geniuses gets stuck. I've found trucks buried up to the axles, laying on the
sides in the ditches, sitting across ditches, or just not running. I've
tried asking the Sheriff for help - what a joke! I did have one four wheeler
ask me if it was Ok to ride around a field in the winter. I said no! Then
caught him down the road doing it anyhow. His excuse was that he did not
realize it was my field (I wonder who's field he thought it was?). He left
and I have not seen him since. I did not catch the guy who rode around in my
Soybean field. In that case I would have asked for damages. Some of my
fields are isolated (not on a main road and surrounded by trees) and this
makes them very attractive to four wheelers. They never ride around in plain
sight of a house We also have a logging path into our woodlands. I routinely
catch people down that path and ask them to leave. I don't want to put up a
gate, because that makes it hard for me and adds a potential liability issue
(one local farmer was sued when a kid on small four wheeler killed himself
by running into a chain on a path). To be fair to "four wheelers" they are
only third on my list of people who **** me off because they trespass on my
property -

1) People who discard trash - I've had a whole broken up out-house dumped on
my property. Old tires show up regularly. Bags of trash are common - despite
the presence of a county trash dump less than 2 miles away. I've gone
through the trash in the past and given the sheriff names. I was told they
couldn't "prove" the person dumped the trash just because their name was on
a letter in the trash. These days I do my best to identify the owner of the
trash and call them directly. Works about 50% of the time. And of course
there are just the low life people who treat roads as garbage cans. I find
lots of fast food wrappers, drink cups, and beer bottles liberally sprinkled
on the sides of the county roads through my property. Once someone dumped a
dishwasher off in the middle of a county road through my proerty. The state
motor grader operator came along and used his machine to shove it into my
woods. I raised hell about that, but the state did nothing. I finally hauled
it off myself. I've hauled off refrigerators and stoves that were dumped as
well. And these item can be taken to the county dump site less than 2 miles
away!

2) Hunters - We basically give anyone in the area who wants to hunt
permission to hunt as long as they promise to stay off the paths and not use
a rifle (shotguns and bows only). Most hunters follow these simple rules,
but there are always a few who use rifles and who can't resist driving down
my paths in wet weather (which tears them up). I've also had to chase off a
few people who think hunting involves target practice on trees. It is only a
matter of time until I put up no hunting signs. I hate to do it. My Father
was an avid hunter and he always wanted to allow other hunters the same
opportunities he had. However, there is less and less open land and more and
more hunters.And increasingly, the hunters aren't neighbors, they are coming
in from urban areas. Just like many of the four wheelers.

3) Four wheelers - already covered.

Ed

 

"billy ray" <Kill.them.all@God.knows.his.own.com> wrote in message
news:dba1d$447f262f$48311525$10409@FUSE.NET...
> Personally I find this story a bit far fetched.
>
> Not about an occasional yabbo driving through 'your fields' but that the
> same people do it week after week after week and you do nothing about it
> other than politely ask them to leave.
>
> I grew up in a village surrounded by family farms and I never heard on any
> that would tolerate this. At the very least the damage would be
compensated
> and most likely the sheriff would not look kindly upon this.
>
> Methinks you are a troll or eco-weenie or have some other mental
> infirmary...... that or you are just a lying sack of dog doo...

Believe what you will, it happens all the time. Usually I only see the
results (tracks cut in paths and fields), but occasionally one of the
geniuses gets stuck. I've found trucks buried up to the axles, laying on the
sides in the ditches, sitting across ditches, or just not running. I've
tried asking the Sheriff for help - what a joke! I did have one four wheeler
ask me if it was Ok to ride around a field in the winter. I said no! Then
caught him down the road doing it anyhow. His excuse was that he did not
realize it was my field (I wonder who's field he thought it was?). He left
and I have not seen him since. I did not catch the guy who rode around in my
Soybean field. In that case I would have asked for damages. Some of my
fields are isolated (not on a main road and surrounded by trees) and this
makes them very attractive to four wheelers. They never ride around in plain
sight of a house We also have a logging path into our woodlands. I routinely
catch people down that path and ask them to leave. I don't want to put up a
gate, because that makes it hard for me and adds a potential liability issue
(one local farmer was sued when a kid on small four wheeler killed himself
by running into a chain on a path). To be fair to "four wheelers" they are
only third on my list of people who **** me off because they trespass on my
property -

1) People who discard trash - I've had a whole broken up out-house dumped on
my property. Old tires show up regularly. Bags of trash are common - despite
the presence of a county trash dump less than 2 miles away. I've gone
through the trash in the past and given the sheriff names. I was told they
couldn't "prove" the person dumped the trash just because their name was on
a letter in the trash. These days I do my best to identify the owner of the
trash and call them directly. Works about 50% of the time. And of course
there are just the low life people who treat roads as garbage cans. I find
lots of fast food wrappers, drink cups, and beer bottles liberally sprinkled
on the sides of the county roads through my property. Once someone dumped a
dishwasher off in the middle of a county road through my proerty. The state
motor grader operator came along and used his machine to shove it into my
woods. I raised hell about that, but the state did nothing. I finally hauled
it off myself. I've hauled off refrigerators and stoves that were dumped as
well. And these item can be taken to the county dump site less than 2 miles
away!

2) Hunters - We basically give anyone in the area who wants to hunt
permission to hunt as long as they promise to stay off the paths and not use
a rifle (shotguns and bows only). Most hunters follow these simple rules,
but there are always a few who use rifles and who can't resist driving down
my paths in wet weather (which tears them up). I've also had to chase off a
few people who think hunting involves target practice on trees. It is only a
matter of time until I put up no hunting signs. I hate to do it. My Father
was an avid hunter and he always wanted to allow other hunters the same
opportunities he had. However, there is less and less open land and more and
more hunters.And increasingly, the hunters aren't neighbors, they are coming
in from urban areas. Just like many of the four wheelers.

3) Four wheelers - already covered.

Ed