billy ray wrote:

> Personally I find this story a bit far fetched.
>
> Not about an occasional yabbo driving through 'your fields' but that the
> same people do it week after week after week and you do nothing about it
> other than politely ask them to leave.

Maybe because those types will vandalize your property if you threaten
their "right" to do whatever the hell they want. The off-road
subculture is full of degenerates and egomaniacs, in my experience. I
don't mean anyone who owns a 4WD vehicle, I mean the people who are
into it for no practical reason other than proving what the machinery
can do. They are a shallow group of folks who spend a lot of money on
stuff that really doesn't matter.

I can walk a granite sluice faster than a Jeep can crawl it, so what's
the point? On foot, you can get plenty of wilderness time without
traveling 30 miles, hauling in loads of garbage and polluting the air
with fumes and noise.

R. Lander

 

billy ray wrote:

> Personally I find this story a bit far fetched.
>
> Not about an occasional yabbo driving through 'your fields' but that the
> same people do it week after week after week and you do nothing about it
> other than politely ask them to leave.

Maybe because those types will vandalize your property if you threaten
their "right" to do whatever the hell they want. The off-road
subculture is full of degenerates and egomaniacs, in my experience. I
don't mean anyone who owns a 4WD vehicle, I mean the people who are
into it for no practical reason other than proving what the machinery
can do. They are a shallow group of folks who spend a lot of money on
stuff that really doesn't matter.

I can walk a granite sluice faster than a Jeep can crawl it, so what's
the point? On foot, you can get plenty of wilderness time without
traveling 30 miles, hauling in loads of garbage and polluting the air
with fumes and noise.

R. Lander

 

billy ray wrote:

> You may have something there.
>
> If the liberals and Demoncrats could keep their pants zipped the population
> would drop severely and decent people might again populate the earth.

People with low IQs on both fringes should go the www.vhemt.org route.
But the far-Right is worse than the far-Left because they get elected
more often. Why? Because most people are greedy and the Right is all
about pandering to greed. They created the Me Generation without really
acknowledging it. Having respect for nature is the antithesis of greed,
hence the strong correlation between Republican "values" and
anti-environmentalism.

R. Lander

 

billy ray wrote:

> You may have something there.
>
> If the liberals and Demoncrats could keep their pants zipped the population
> would drop severely and decent people might again populate the earth.

People with low IQs on both fringes should go the www.vhemt.org route.
But the far-Right is worse than the far-Left because they get elected
more often. Why? Because most people are greedy and the Right is all
about pandering to greed. They created the Me Generation without really
acknowledging it. Having respect for nature is the antithesis of greed,
hence the strong correlation between Republican "values" and
anti-environmentalism.

R. Lander

 

billy ray wrote:

> You may have something there.
>
> If the liberals and Demoncrats could keep their pants zipped the population
> would drop severely and decent people might again populate the earth.

People with low IQs on both fringes should go the www.vhemt.org route.
But the far-Right is worse than the far-Left because they get elected
more often. Why? Because most people are greedy and the Right is all
about pandering to greed. They created the Me Generation without really
acknowledging it. Having respect for nature is the antithesis of greed,
hence the strong correlation between Republican "values" and
anti-environmentalism.

R. Lander

 

Huh? You mean like when countries go Communist the government doesn't
take over private enterprise and "nationalize" them? Surely you don't
believe that left-wing Socialistic/Communist countries like Cuba, China,
and North Korea don't have a "closer than close partnership" with
industry? Hell, the government IS THE OWNER of industry in those
left-wing countries. You can't get any closer of a "close relationship"
in a left-wing socialistic country as the government strictly controls
those entities.

You need to go back to school... or at least you should have paid attention.


dan wrote:
> Jeff DeWitt wrote:
>
>> The ****'s were the "National Socialist German Workers Party", which
>> is hardly far right!
>
>
> Wrongo-bongo. Government and industry in close partnership is very
> right wing...
>
> Dan

--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/

 

Huh? You mean like when countries go Communist the government doesn't
take over private enterprise and "nationalize" them? Surely you don't
believe that left-wing Socialistic/Communist countries like Cuba, China,
and North Korea don't have a "closer than close partnership" with
industry? Hell, the government IS THE OWNER of industry in those
left-wing countries. You can't get any closer of a "close relationship"
in a left-wing socialistic country as the government strictly controls
those entities.

You need to go back to school... or at least you should have paid attention.


dan wrote:
> Jeff DeWitt wrote:
>
>> The ****'s were the "National Socialist German Workers Party", which
>> is hardly far right!
>
>
> Wrongo-bongo. Government and industry in close partnership is very
> right wing...
>
> Dan

--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/

 

Huh? You mean like when countries go Communist the government doesn't
take over private enterprise and "nationalize" them? Surely you don't
believe that left-wing Socialistic/Communist countries like Cuba, China,
and North Korea don't have a "closer than close partnership" with
industry? Hell, the government IS THE OWNER of industry in those
left-wing countries. You can't get any closer of a "close relationship"
in a left-wing socialistic country as the government strictly controls
those entities.

You need to go back to school... or at least you should have paid attention.


dan wrote:
> Jeff DeWitt wrote:
>
>> The ****'s were the "National Socialist German Workers Party", which
>> is hardly far right!
>
>
> Wrongo-bongo. Government and industry in close partnership is very
> right wing...
>
> Dan

--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/

 

Dave Milne wrote:

> Will the son of a bitch who managed to drive their Jeep up Everest
> and leave behind all manner of ----, please stand up.

Good point, but mountain climbers aren't exactly environmentalists
either. They seem to be more in it for the challenge of "beating"
nature, like Jeepers crawling over rocks. They use specialized
equipment but not gasoline. Many slopes have been desecrated with
permanent climbing hooks and notches carved into the rock. Dead bodies
are among the trash left behind on high peaks!. People who can't enjoy
nature as-is are always trying to open more of it to their favorite
sports. Recreational obsession triumphs over a weak land ethic.

I don't accept the whole idea that "wilderness" can remain viable when
so many elements of the city are brought in. Multiple use concepts go
too far. There are adequate places for motorsports and extreme sports
already. People pursuing those activities should blame overpopulation
if they don't like crowds. They can't keep expanding into wild places
or there won't be any left. Many national parks are already tainted by
too many visitors, even if they park their cars and hike.

R. Lander

 

Dave Milne wrote:

> Will the son of a bitch who managed to drive their Jeep up Everest
> and leave behind all manner of ----, please stand up.

Good point, but mountain climbers aren't exactly environmentalists
either. They seem to be more in it for the challenge of "beating"
nature, like Jeepers crawling over rocks. They use specialized
equipment but not gasoline. Many slopes have been desecrated with
permanent climbing hooks and notches carved into the rock. Dead bodies
are among the trash left behind on high peaks!. People who can't enjoy
nature as-is are always trying to open more of it to their favorite
sports. Recreational obsession triumphs over a weak land ethic.

I don't accept the whole idea that "wilderness" can remain viable when
so many elements of the city are brought in. Multiple use concepts go
too far. There are adequate places for motorsports and extreme sports
already. People pursuing those activities should blame overpopulation
if they don't like crowds. They can't keep expanding into wild places
or there won't be any left. Many national parks are already tainted by
too many visitors, even if they park their cars and hike.

R. Lander