TJ engine swap - 4.0 to something with better MPG?
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Re: TJ engine swap - 4.0 to something with better MPG?
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> There's room for improvement. Here's a pretty direct comparison between a
> Wrangler SE and the Honda CR-V.
>
> Wrangler SE: Curb weight 3235, 147 HP @ 5200 RPM, 165 lb-ft @ 4000 RPM, EPA
> city 18, highway 20-21.
>
> CR-V: Curb weight 3258, 160 HP @ 6000 RPM, 162 lb-ft @ 3600 RPM, EPA city
> 21, highway 25.
>
>
> The Honda makes more horsepower and the same torque (at lower RPM), but gets
> 4-5 more miles per gallon on the highway. When you load one up with huge
> tires and offroad gear the mileage would certainly drop, but that's almost
> certainly not what the OP had in mind with his Jeep.
It's all in the transmission and in driveline losses with
conribution from more efficient engine tech.
Even the ZJ got a good boost in power and economy by
introducing a hemholts tuned intake rail rather than the
straight shot like mine has. Heck, I'd like to have the
newer generation 5 speed tranny. Too bad it's not compatible
with the ECU. Stupid pooters. :)
That and the CR-V is more "aero" than the Wrangler.
Not like I fly the most aerodynamic brick either. :)
--
DougW
> There's room for improvement. Here's a pretty direct comparison between a
> Wrangler SE and the Honda CR-V.
>
> Wrangler SE: Curb weight 3235, 147 HP @ 5200 RPM, 165 lb-ft @ 4000 RPM, EPA
> city 18, highway 20-21.
>
> CR-V: Curb weight 3258, 160 HP @ 6000 RPM, 162 lb-ft @ 3600 RPM, EPA city
> 21, highway 25.
>
>
> The Honda makes more horsepower and the same torque (at lower RPM), but gets
> 4-5 more miles per gallon on the highway. When you load one up with huge
> tires and offroad gear the mileage would certainly drop, but that's almost
> certainly not what the OP had in mind with his Jeep.
It's all in the transmission and in driveline losses with
conribution from more efficient engine tech.
Even the ZJ got a good boost in power and economy by
introducing a hemholts tuned intake rail rather than the
straight shot like mine has. Heck, I'd like to have the
newer generation 5 speed tranny. Too bad it's not compatible
with the ECU. Stupid pooters. :)
That and the CR-V is more "aero" than the Wrangler.
Not like I fly the most aerodynamic brick either. :)
--
DougW
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Re: TJ engine swap - 4.0 to something with better MPG?
Generic did pass the time by typing:
> There's room for improvement. Here's a pretty direct comparison between a
> Wrangler SE and the Honda CR-V.
>
> Wrangler SE: Curb weight 3235, 147 HP @ 5200 RPM, 165 lb-ft @ 4000 RPM, EPA
> city 18, highway 20-21.
>
> CR-V: Curb weight 3258, 160 HP @ 6000 RPM, 162 lb-ft @ 3600 RPM, EPA city
> 21, highway 25.
>
>
> The Honda makes more horsepower and the same torque (at lower RPM), but gets
> 4-5 more miles per gallon on the highway. When you load one up with huge
> tires and offroad gear the mileage would certainly drop, but that's almost
> certainly not what the OP had in mind with his Jeep.
It's all in the transmission and in driveline losses with
conribution from more efficient engine tech.
Even the ZJ got a good boost in power and economy by
introducing a hemholts tuned intake rail rather than the
straight shot like mine has. Heck, I'd like to have the
newer generation 5 speed tranny. Too bad it's not compatible
with the ECU. Stupid pooters. :)
That and the CR-V is more "aero" than the Wrangler.
Not like I fly the most aerodynamic brick either. :)
--
DougW
> There's room for improvement. Here's a pretty direct comparison between a
> Wrangler SE and the Honda CR-V.
>
> Wrangler SE: Curb weight 3235, 147 HP @ 5200 RPM, 165 lb-ft @ 4000 RPM, EPA
> city 18, highway 20-21.
>
> CR-V: Curb weight 3258, 160 HP @ 6000 RPM, 162 lb-ft @ 3600 RPM, EPA city
> 21, highway 25.
>
>
> The Honda makes more horsepower and the same torque (at lower RPM), but gets
> 4-5 more miles per gallon on the highway. When you load one up with huge
> tires and offroad gear the mileage would certainly drop, but that's almost
> certainly not what the OP had in mind with his Jeep.
It's all in the transmission and in driveline losses with
conribution from more efficient engine tech.
Even the ZJ got a good boost in power and economy by
introducing a hemholts tuned intake rail rather than the
straight shot like mine has. Heck, I'd like to have the
newer generation 5 speed tranny. Too bad it's not compatible
with the ECU. Stupid pooters. :)
That and the CR-V is more "aero" than the Wrangler.
Not like I fly the most aerodynamic brick either. :)
--
DougW
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Re: TJ engine swap - 4.0 to something with better MPG?
Generic did pass the time by typing:
> There's room for improvement. Here's a pretty direct comparison between a
> Wrangler SE and the Honda CR-V.
>
> Wrangler SE: Curb weight 3235, 147 HP @ 5200 RPM, 165 lb-ft @ 4000 RPM, EPA
> city 18, highway 20-21.
>
> CR-V: Curb weight 3258, 160 HP @ 6000 RPM, 162 lb-ft @ 3600 RPM, EPA city
> 21, highway 25.
>
>
> The Honda makes more horsepower and the same torque (at lower RPM), but gets
> 4-5 more miles per gallon on the highway. When you load one up with huge
> tires and offroad gear the mileage would certainly drop, but that's almost
> certainly not what the OP had in mind with his Jeep.
It's all in the transmission and in driveline losses with
conribution from more efficient engine tech.
Even the ZJ got a good boost in power and economy by
introducing a hemholts tuned intake rail rather than the
straight shot like mine has. Heck, I'd like to have the
newer generation 5 speed tranny. Too bad it's not compatible
with the ECU. Stupid pooters. :)
That and the CR-V is more "aero" than the Wrangler.
Not like I fly the most aerodynamic brick either. :)
--
DougW
> There's room for improvement. Here's a pretty direct comparison between a
> Wrangler SE and the Honda CR-V.
>
> Wrangler SE: Curb weight 3235, 147 HP @ 5200 RPM, 165 lb-ft @ 4000 RPM, EPA
> city 18, highway 20-21.
>
> CR-V: Curb weight 3258, 160 HP @ 6000 RPM, 162 lb-ft @ 3600 RPM, EPA city
> 21, highway 25.
>
>
> The Honda makes more horsepower and the same torque (at lower RPM), but gets
> 4-5 more miles per gallon on the highway. When you load one up with huge
> tires and offroad gear the mileage would certainly drop, but that's almost
> certainly not what the OP had in mind with his Jeep.
It's all in the transmission and in driveline losses with
conribution from more efficient engine tech.
Even the ZJ got a good boost in power and economy by
introducing a hemholts tuned intake rail rather than the
straight shot like mine has. Heck, I'd like to have the
newer generation 5 speed tranny. Too bad it's not compatible
with the ECU. Stupid pooters. :)
That and the CR-V is more "aero" than the Wrangler.
Not like I fly the most aerodynamic brick either. :)
--
DougW
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Re: TJ engine swap - 4.0 to something with better MPG?
I can hardly wait for November, when we get rid of Kalifornia's
bleeding heart liberals, Boxer and Feinstein.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
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Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> Harris, it's an election year, civility goes out the window...
>
> ;-)
bleeding heart liberals, Boxer and Feinstein.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
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Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> Harris, it's an election year, civility goes out the window...
>
> ;-)
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Re: TJ engine swap - 4.0 to something with better MPG?
I can hardly wait for November, when we get rid of Kalifornia's
bleeding heart liberals, Boxer and Feinstein.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> Harris, it's an election year, civility goes out the window...
>
> ;-)
bleeding heart liberals, Boxer and Feinstein.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> Harris, it's an election year, civility goes out the window...
>
> ;-)
Guest
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Re: TJ engine swap - 4.0 to something with better MPG?
I can hardly wait for November, when we get rid of Kalifornia's
bleeding heart liberals, Boxer and Feinstein.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> Harris, it's an election year, civility goes out the window...
>
> ;-)
bleeding heart liberals, Boxer and Feinstein.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> Harris, it's an election year, civility goes out the window...
>
> ;-)
Guest
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Re: TJ engine swap - 4.0 to something with better MPG?
I can hardly wait for November, when we get rid of Kalifornia's
bleeding heart liberals, Boxer and Feinstein.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> Harris, it's an election year, civility goes out the window...
>
> ;-)
bleeding heart liberals, Boxer and Feinstein.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> Harris, it's an election year, civility goes out the window...
>
> ;-)
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Re: TJ engine swap - 4.0 to something with better MPG?
John, I've never seen a Honda off road further than a dirt parking lot,
have you?
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mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Generic wrote:
>
> There's room for improvement. Here's a pretty direct comparison between a
> Wrangler SE and the Honda CR-V.
>
> Wrangler SE: Curb weight 3235, 147 HP @ 5200 RPM, 165 lb-ft @ 4000 RPM, EPA
> city 18, highway 20-21.
>
> CR-V: Curb weight 3258, 160 HP @ 6000 RPM, 162 lb-ft @ 3600 RPM, EPA city
> 21, highway 25.
>
> The Honda makes more horsepower and the same torque (at lower RPM), but gets
> 4-5 more miles per gallon on the highway. When you load one up with huge
> tires and offroad gear the mileage would certainly drop, but that's almost
> certainly not what the OP had in mind with his Jeep.
>
> -John
>
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:412A9887.71CF6272@***.net...
> > Because most of the TJs we see on the road weigh in at two tons,
> > it's physically impossible to get better mileage.
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Generic wrote:
> > >
> > > That's not the point. The factory Wrangler engines make only 150 to 200
> HP,
> > > so why couldn't they get better mileage with a newer tech engine? You
> don't
> > > need the full 400 HP.
> > >
> > > -John
have you?
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Generic wrote:
>
> There's room for improvement. Here's a pretty direct comparison between a
> Wrangler SE and the Honda CR-V.
>
> Wrangler SE: Curb weight 3235, 147 HP @ 5200 RPM, 165 lb-ft @ 4000 RPM, EPA
> city 18, highway 20-21.
>
> CR-V: Curb weight 3258, 160 HP @ 6000 RPM, 162 lb-ft @ 3600 RPM, EPA city
> 21, highway 25.
>
> The Honda makes more horsepower and the same torque (at lower RPM), but gets
> 4-5 more miles per gallon on the highway. When you load one up with huge
> tires and offroad gear the mileage would certainly drop, but that's almost
> certainly not what the OP had in mind with his Jeep.
>
> -John
>
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:412A9887.71CF6272@***.net...
> > Because most of the TJs we see on the road weigh in at two tons,
> > it's physically impossible to get better mileage.
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Generic wrote:
> > >
> > > That's not the point. The factory Wrangler engines make only 150 to 200
> HP,
> > > so why couldn't they get better mileage with a newer tech engine? You
> don't
> > > need the full 400 HP.
> > >
> > > -John
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Re: TJ engine swap - 4.0 to something with better MPG?
John, I've never seen a Honda off road further than a dirt parking lot,
have you?
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Generic wrote:
>
> There's room for improvement. Here's a pretty direct comparison between a
> Wrangler SE and the Honda CR-V.
>
> Wrangler SE: Curb weight 3235, 147 HP @ 5200 RPM, 165 lb-ft @ 4000 RPM, EPA
> city 18, highway 20-21.
>
> CR-V: Curb weight 3258, 160 HP @ 6000 RPM, 162 lb-ft @ 3600 RPM, EPA city
> 21, highway 25.
>
> The Honda makes more horsepower and the same torque (at lower RPM), but gets
> 4-5 more miles per gallon on the highway. When you load one up with huge
> tires and offroad gear the mileage would certainly drop, but that's almost
> certainly not what the OP had in mind with his Jeep.
>
> -John
>
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:412A9887.71CF6272@***.net...
> > Because most of the TJs we see on the road weigh in at two tons,
> > it's physically impossible to get better mileage.
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Generic wrote:
> > >
> > > That's not the point. The factory Wrangler engines make only 150 to 200
> HP,
> > > so why couldn't they get better mileage with a newer tech engine? You
> don't
> > > need the full 400 HP.
> > >
> > > -John
have you?
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Generic wrote:
>
> There's room for improvement. Here's a pretty direct comparison between a
> Wrangler SE and the Honda CR-V.
>
> Wrangler SE: Curb weight 3235, 147 HP @ 5200 RPM, 165 lb-ft @ 4000 RPM, EPA
> city 18, highway 20-21.
>
> CR-V: Curb weight 3258, 160 HP @ 6000 RPM, 162 lb-ft @ 3600 RPM, EPA city
> 21, highway 25.
>
> The Honda makes more horsepower and the same torque (at lower RPM), but gets
> 4-5 more miles per gallon on the highway. When you load one up with huge
> tires and offroad gear the mileage would certainly drop, but that's almost
> certainly not what the OP had in mind with his Jeep.
>
> -John
>
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:412A9887.71CF6272@***.net...
> > Because most of the TJs we see on the road weigh in at two tons,
> > it's physically impossible to get better mileage.
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Generic wrote:
> > >
> > > That's not the point. The factory Wrangler engines make only 150 to 200
> HP,
> > > so why couldn't they get better mileage with a newer tech engine? You
> don't
> > > need the full 400 HP.
> > >
> > > -John
Guest
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Re: TJ engine swap - 4.0 to something with better MPG?
John, I've never seen a Honda off road further than a dirt parking lot,
have you?
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Generic wrote:
>
> There's room for improvement. Here's a pretty direct comparison between a
> Wrangler SE and the Honda CR-V.
>
> Wrangler SE: Curb weight 3235, 147 HP @ 5200 RPM, 165 lb-ft @ 4000 RPM, EPA
> city 18, highway 20-21.
>
> CR-V: Curb weight 3258, 160 HP @ 6000 RPM, 162 lb-ft @ 3600 RPM, EPA city
> 21, highway 25.
>
> The Honda makes more horsepower and the same torque (at lower RPM), but gets
> 4-5 more miles per gallon on the highway. When you load one up with huge
> tires and offroad gear the mileage would certainly drop, but that's almost
> certainly not what the OP had in mind with his Jeep.
>
> -John
>
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:412A9887.71CF6272@***.net...
> > Because most of the TJs we see on the road weigh in at two tons,
> > it's physically impossible to get better mileage.
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Generic wrote:
> > >
> > > That's not the point. The factory Wrangler engines make only 150 to 200
> HP,
> > > so why couldn't they get better mileage with a newer tech engine? You
> don't
> > > need the full 400 HP.
> > >
> > > -John
have you?
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Generic wrote:
>
> There's room for improvement. Here's a pretty direct comparison between a
> Wrangler SE and the Honda CR-V.
>
> Wrangler SE: Curb weight 3235, 147 HP @ 5200 RPM, 165 lb-ft @ 4000 RPM, EPA
> city 18, highway 20-21.
>
> CR-V: Curb weight 3258, 160 HP @ 6000 RPM, 162 lb-ft @ 3600 RPM, EPA city
> 21, highway 25.
>
> The Honda makes more horsepower and the same torque (at lower RPM), but gets
> 4-5 more miles per gallon on the highway. When you load one up with huge
> tires and offroad gear the mileage would certainly drop, but that's almost
> certainly not what the OP had in mind with his Jeep.
>
> -John
>
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:412A9887.71CF6272@***.net...
> > Because most of the TJs we see on the road weigh in at two tons,
> > it's physically impossible to get better mileage.
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Generic wrote:
> > >
> > > That's not the point. The factory Wrangler engines make only 150 to 200
> HP,
> > > so why couldn't they get better mileage with a newer tech engine? You
> don't
> > > need the full 400 HP.
> > >
> > > -John
