L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

Nor would the Lunar vehicle be something that would last long around
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God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/


Shaggie wrote:
>
> And we'll never make it to the moon! ;-P

Matt Macchiarolo

Harris, it's an election year, civility goes out the window...

;-)

"Harris Family" <SHARRIS11nospam@san.rr.com> wrote in message
news:3xdWc.10373$Bt5.866@twister.socal.rr.com...
> Bill,
> I think your being awfully hard on him. I'd say he's not so much a troll,
> rather an uninformed owner who was looking for some advice in a place
where
> you'd expect to get a "polite" and knowledgeable answer. All most everyone
> did was flame the ---- out of him. No wonder he's pissed. That kind of
thing
> happens in this NG alot lately. I've been reading and posting here for the
> past six or seven years and I've noticed a marked decline in civility.
> Lighten up guys. Read, think, type, think again, edit, read it as if you
> asked the question then edit again. Then send.
> Rich Harris. USN soon to be retired and ready!
>
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:41295025.DAC046F5@***.net...
> > Read it again and see if it doesn't shout, TROLL!
> > "I have a 97 TJ 4.0/manual thats been great on road and off - the only
> > consistent problem I have with the Jeep is the MPGs, way less than
> > advertised, I'm averaging 12-14 in city and about 16 on freeway.
> >
> > I've checked everything out possible, and even taken it to the
> > stealer; either I have a very heavy foot or I just have a thirsty
> > jeep.
> >
> > I'm basically annoyed by the gas mileage, so my question is- can I
> > swap in an engine (or engine/tranny combo) that will give me at least
> > the same performance (torque, power) and also has mpg in the 19-24 mpg
> > range?
> >
> > Sure its a lot to ask, but if its possible I'd like to do it and
> > figure it would be a fun project.
> >
> > thanks."
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> >
> > Hrd wrote:
> > >
> > > Ya know, I don't blame him at all for this response. All he did was
ask
> a
> > > simple question.
>
>

Matt Macchiarolo

Harris, it's an election year, civility goes out the window...

;-)

"Harris Family" <SHARRIS11nospam@san.rr.com> wrote in message
news:3xdWc.10373$Bt5.866@twister.socal.rr.com...
> Bill,
> I think your being awfully hard on him. I'd say he's not so much a troll,
> rather an uninformed owner who was looking for some advice in a place
where
> you'd expect to get a "polite" and knowledgeable answer. All most everyone
> did was flame the ---- out of him. No wonder he's pissed. That kind of
thing
> happens in this NG alot lately. I've been reading and posting here for the
> past six or seven years and I've noticed a marked decline in civility.
> Lighten up guys. Read, think, type, think again, edit, read it as if you
> asked the question then edit again. Then send.
> Rich Harris. USN soon to be retired and ready!
>
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:41295025.DAC046F5@***.net...
> > Read it again and see if it doesn't shout, TROLL!
> > "I have a 97 TJ 4.0/manual thats been great on road and off - the only
> > consistent problem I have with the Jeep is the MPGs, way less than
> > advertised, I'm averaging 12-14 in city and about 16 on freeway.
> >
> > I've checked everything out possible, and even taken it to the
> > stealer; either I have a very heavy foot or I just have a thirsty
> > jeep.
> >
> > I'm basically annoyed by the gas mileage, so my question is- can I
> > swap in an engine (or engine/tranny combo) that will give me at least
> > the same performance (torque, power) and also has mpg in the 19-24 mpg
> > range?
> >
> > Sure its a lot to ask, but if its possible I'd like to do it and
> > figure it would be a fun project.
> >
> > thanks."
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> >
> > Hrd wrote:
> > >
> > > Ya know, I don't blame him at all for this response. All he did was
ask
> a
> > > simple question.
>
>

Matt Macchiarolo

Harris, it's an election year, civility goes out the window...

;-)

"Harris Family" <SHARRIS11nospam@san.rr.com> wrote in message
news:3xdWc.10373$Bt5.866@twister.socal.rr.com...
> Bill,
> I think your being awfully hard on him. I'd say he's not so much a troll,
> rather an uninformed owner who was looking for some advice in a place
where
> you'd expect to get a "polite" and knowledgeable answer. All most everyone
> did was flame the ---- out of him. No wonder he's pissed. That kind of
thing
> happens in this NG alot lately. I've been reading and posting here for the
> past six or seven years and I've noticed a marked decline in civility.
> Lighten up guys. Read, think, type, think again, edit, read it as if you
> asked the question then edit again. Then send.
> Rich Harris. USN soon to be retired and ready!
>
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:41295025.DAC046F5@***.net...
> > Read it again and see if it doesn't shout, TROLL!
> > "I have a 97 TJ 4.0/manual thats been great on road and off - the only
> > consistent problem I have with the Jeep is the MPGs, way less than
> > advertised, I'm averaging 12-14 in city and about 16 on freeway.
> >
> > I've checked everything out possible, and even taken it to the
> > stealer; either I have a very heavy foot or I just have a thirsty
> > jeep.
> >
> > I'm basically annoyed by the gas mileage, so my question is- can I
> > swap in an engine (or engine/tranny combo) that will give me at least
> > the same performance (torque, power) and also has mpg in the 19-24 mpg
> > range?
> >
> > Sure its a lot to ask, but if its possible I'd like to do it and
> > figure it would be a fun project.
> >
> > thanks."
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> >
> > Hrd wrote:
> > >
> > > Ya know, I don't blame him at all for this response. All he did was
ask
> a
> > > simple question.
>
>

Matt Macchiarolo

Harris, it's an election year, civility goes out the window...

;-)

"Harris Family" <SHARRIS11nospam@san.rr.com> wrote in message
news:3xdWc.10373$Bt5.866@twister.socal.rr.com...
> Bill,
> I think your being awfully hard on him. I'd say he's not so much a troll,
> rather an uninformed owner who was looking for some advice in a place
where
> you'd expect to get a "polite" and knowledgeable answer. All most everyone
> did was flame the ---- out of him. No wonder he's pissed. That kind of
thing
> happens in this NG alot lately. I've been reading and posting here for the
> past six or seven years and I've noticed a marked decline in civility.
> Lighten up guys. Read, think, type, think again, edit, read it as if you
> asked the question then edit again. Then send.
> Rich Harris. USN soon to be retired and ready!
>
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:41295025.DAC046F5@***.net...
> > Read it again and see if it doesn't shout, TROLL!
> > "I have a 97 TJ 4.0/manual thats been great on road and off - the only
> > consistent problem I have with the Jeep is the MPGs, way less than
> > advertised, I'm averaging 12-14 in city and about 16 on freeway.
> >
> > I've checked everything out possible, and even taken it to the
> > stealer; either I have a very heavy foot or I just have a thirsty
> > jeep.
> >
> > I'm basically annoyed by the gas mileage, so my question is- can I
> > swap in an engine (or engine/tranny combo) that will give me at least
> > the same performance (torque, power) and also has mpg in the 19-24 mpg
> > range?
> >
> > Sure its a lot to ask, but if its possible I'd like to do it and
> > figure it would be a fun project.
> >
> > thanks."
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> >
> > Hrd wrote:
> > >
> > > Ya know, I don't blame him at all for this response. All he did was
ask
> a
> > > simple question.
>
>

Generic

There's room for improvement. Here's a pretty direct comparison between a
Wrangler SE and the Honda CR-V.

Wrangler SE: Curb weight 3235, 147 HP @ 5200 RPM, 165 lb-ft @ 4000 RPM, EPA
city 18, highway 20-21.

CR-V: Curb weight 3258, 160 HP @ 6000 RPM, 162 lb-ft @ 3600 RPM, EPA city
21, highway 25.


The Honda makes more horsepower and the same torque (at lower RPM), but gets
4-5 more miles per gallon on the highway. When you load one up with huge
tires and offroad gear the mileage would certainly drop, but that's almost
certainly not what the OP had in mind with his Jeep.

-John


"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:412A9887.71CF6272@***.net...
> Because most of the TJs we see on the road weigh in at two tons,
> it's physically impossible to get better mileage.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Generic wrote:
> >
> > That's not the point. The factory Wrangler engines make only 150 to 200
HP,
> > so why couldn't they get better mileage with a newer tech engine? You
don't
> > need the full 400 HP.
> >
> > -John

Generic

There's room for improvement. Here's a pretty direct comparison between a
Wrangler SE and the Honda CR-V.

Wrangler SE: Curb weight 3235, 147 HP @ 5200 RPM, 165 lb-ft @ 4000 RPM, EPA
city 18, highway 20-21.

CR-V: Curb weight 3258, 160 HP @ 6000 RPM, 162 lb-ft @ 3600 RPM, EPA city
21, highway 25.


The Honda makes more horsepower and the same torque (at lower RPM), but gets
4-5 more miles per gallon on the highway. When you load one up with huge
tires and offroad gear the mileage would certainly drop, but that's almost
certainly not what the OP had in mind with his Jeep.

-John


"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:412A9887.71CF6272@***.net...
> Because most of the TJs we see on the road weigh in at two tons,
> it's physically impossible to get better mileage.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Generic wrote:
> >
> > That's not the point. The factory Wrangler engines make only 150 to 200
HP,
> > so why couldn't they get better mileage with a newer tech engine? You
don't
> > need the full 400 HP.
> >
> > -John

Generic

There's room for improvement. Here's a pretty direct comparison between a
Wrangler SE and the Honda CR-V.

Wrangler SE: Curb weight 3235, 147 HP @ 5200 RPM, 165 lb-ft @ 4000 RPM, EPA
city 18, highway 20-21.

CR-V: Curb weight 3258, 160 HP @ 6000 RPM, 162 lb-ft @ 3600 RPM, EPA city
21, highway 25.


The Honda makes more horsepower and the same torque (at lower RPM), but gets
4-5 more miles per gallon on the highway. When you load one up with huge
tires and offroad gear the mileage would certainly drop, but that's almost
certainly not what the OP had in mind with his Jeep.

-John


"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:412A9887.71CF6272@***.net...
> Because most of the TJs we see on the road weigh in at two tons,
> it's physically impossible to get better mileage.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Generic wrote:
> >
> > That's not the point. The factory Wrangler engines make only 150 to 200
HP,
> > so why couldn't they get better mileage with a newer tech engine? You
don't
> > need the full 400 HP.
> >
> > -John

Generic

There's room for improvement. Here's a pretty direct comparison between a
Wrangler SE and the Honda CR-V.

Wrangler SE: Curb weight 3235, 147 HP @ 5200 RPM, 165 lb-ft @ 4000 RPM, EPA
city 18, highway 20-21.

CR-V: Curb weight 3258, 160 HP @ 6000 RPM, 162 lb-ft @ 3600 RPM, EPA city
21, highway 25.


The Honda makes more horsepower and the same torque (at lower RPM), but gets
4-5 more miles per gallon on the highway. When you load one up with huge
tires and offroad gear the mileage would certainly drop, but that's almost
certainly not what the OP had in mind with his Jeep.

-John


"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:412A9887.71CF6272@***.net...
> Because most of the TJs we see on the road weigh in at two tons,
> it's physically impossible to get better mileage.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Generic wrote:
> >
> > That's not the point. The factory Wrangler engines make only 150 to 200
HP,
> > so why couldn't they get better mileage with a newer tech engine? You
don't
> > need the full 400 HP.
> >
> > -John

DougW

Generic did pass the time by typing:
> There's room for improvement. Here's a pretty direct comparison between a
> Wrangler SE and the Honda CR-V.
>
> Wrangler SE: Curb weight 3235, 147 HP @ 5200 RPM, 165 lb-ft @ 4000 RPM, EPA
> city 18, highway 20-21.
>
> CR-V: Curb weight 3258, 160 HP @ 6000 RPM, 162 lb-ft @ 3600 RPM, EPA city
> 21, highway 25.
>
>
> The Honda makes more horsepower and the same torque (at lower RPM), but gets
> 4-5 more miles per gallon on the highway. When you load one up with huge
> tires and offroad gear the mileage would certainly drop, but that's almost
> certainly not what the OP had in mind with his Jeep.

It's all in the transmission and in driveline losses with
conribution from more efficient engine tech.

Even the ZJ got a good boost in power and economy by
introducing a hemholts tuned intake rail rather than the
straight shot like mine has. Heck, I'd like to have the
newer generation 5 speed tranny. Too bad it's not compatible
with the ECU. Stupid pooters. :)

That and the CR-V is more "aero" than the Wrangler.
Not like I fly the most aerodynamic brick either. :)

--
DougW