TJ engine swap - 4.0 to something with better MPG?
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Re: TJ engine swap - 4.0 to something with better MPG?
What does that have to do with anything?
Some Jeep setups get 10 mpg.
Some Jeep setups get 15 mpg.
Some Jeep setups get 20 mpg.
What could happen with more modern engines? Some Jeeps may get 25 mpg
and have the same power. All the setups may improve.
-John
L.W.(ßill) ------ III <----------@***.net> wrote in message news:<412AB1F6.35D994F0@***.net>...
> John, I've never seen a Honda off road further than a dirt parking lot,
> have you?
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Generic wrote:
> >
> > There's room for improvement. Here's a pretty direct comparison between a
> > Wrangler SE and the Honda CR-V.
> >
> > Wrangler SE: Curb weight 3235, 147 HP @ 5200 RPM, 165 lb-ft @ 4000 RPM, EPA
> > city 18, highway 20-21.
> >
> > CR-V: Curb weight 3258, 160 HP @ 6000 RPM, 162 lb-ft @ 3600 RPM, EPA city
> > 21, highway 25.
> >
> > The Honda makes more horsepower and the same torque (at lower RPM), but gets
> > 4-5 more miles per gallon on the highway. When you load one up with huge
> > tires and offroad gear the mileage would certainly drop, but that's almost
> > certainly not what the OP had in mind with his Jeep.
> >
> > -John
> >
> > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:412A9887.71CF6272@***.net...
> > > Because most of the TJs we see on the road weigh in at two tons,
> > > it's physically impossible to get better mileage.
> > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > >
> > > Generic wrote:
> > > >
> > > > That's not the point. The factory Wrangler engines make only 150 to 200
> HP,
> > > > so why couldn't they get better mileage with a newer tech engine? You
> don't
> > > > need the full 400 HP.
> > > >
> > > > -John
Some Jeep setups get 10 mpg.
Some Jeep setups get 15 mpg.
Some Jeep setups get 20 mpg.
What could happen with more modern engines? Some Jeeps may get 25 mpg
and have the same power. All the setups may improve.
-John
L.W.(ßill) ------ III <----------@***.net> wrote in message news:<412AB1F6.35D994F0@***.net>...
> John, I've never seen a Honda off road further than a dirt parking lot,
> have you?
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Generic wrote:
> >
> > There's room for improvement. Here's a pretty direct comparison between a
> > Wrangler SE and the Honda CR-V.
> >
> > Wrangler SE: Curb weight 3235, 147 HP @ 5200 RPM, 165 lb-ft @ 4000 RPM, EPA
> > city 18, highway 20-21.
> >
> > CR-V: Curb weight 3258, 160 HP @ 6000 RPM, 162 lb-ft @ 3600 RPM, EPA city
> > 21, highway 25.
> >
> > The Honda makes more horsepower and the same torque (at lower RPM), but gets
> > 4-5 more miles per gallon on the highway. When you load one up with huge
> > tires and offroad gear the mileage would certainly drop, but that's almost
> > certainly not what the OP had in mind with his Jeep.
> >
> > -John
> >
> > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:412A9887.71CF6272@***.net...
> > > Because most of the TJs we see on the road weigh in at two tons,
> > > it's physically impossible to get better mileage.
> > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > >
> > > Generic wrote:
> > > >
> > > > That's not the point. The factory Wrangler engines make only 150 to 200
> HP,
> > > > so why couldn't they get better mileage with a newer tech engine? You
> don't
> > > > need the full 400 HP.
> > > >
> > > > -John
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Re: TJ engine swap - 4.0 to something with better MPG?
What does that have to do with anything?
Some Jeep setups get 10 mpg.
Some Jeep setups get 15 mpg.
Some Jeep setups get 20 mpg.
What could happen with more modern engines? Some Jeeps may get 25 mpg
and have the same power. All the setups may improve.
-John
L.W.(ßill) ------ III <----------@***.net> wrote in message news:<412AB1F6.35D994F0@***.net>...
> John, I've never seen a Honda off road further than a dirt parking lot,
> have you?
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Generic wrote:
> >
> > There's room for improvement. Here's a pretty direct comparison between a
> > Wrangler SE and the Honda CR-V.
> >
> > Wrangler SE: Curb weight 3235, 147 HP @ 5200 RPM, 165 lb-ft @ 4000 RPM, EPA
> > city 18, highway 20-21.
> >
> > CR-V: Curb weight 3258, 160 HP @ 6000 RPM, 162 lb-ft @ 3600 RPM, EPA city
> > 21, highway 25.
> >
> > The Honda makes more horsepower and the same torque (at lower RPM), but gets
> > 4-5 more miles per gallon on the highway. When you load one up with huge
> > tires and offroad gear the mileage would certainly drop, but that's almost
> > certainly not what the OP had in mind with his Jeep.
> >
> > -John
> >
> > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:412A9887.71CF6272@***.net...
> > > Because most of the TJs we see on the road weigh in at two tons,
> > > it's physically impossible to get better mileage.
> > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > >
> > > Generic wrote:
> > > >
> > > > That's not the point. The factory Wrangler engines make only 150 to 200
> HP,
> > > > so why couldn't they get better mileage with a newer tech engine? You
> don't
> > > > need the full 400 HP.
> > > >
> > > > -John
Some Jeep setups get 10 mpg.
Some Jeep setups get 15 mpg.
Some Jeep setups get 20 mpg.
What could happen with more modern engines? Some Jeeps may get 25 mpg
and have the same power. All the setups may improve.
-John
L.W.(ßill) ------ III <----------@***.net> wrote in message news:<412AB1F6.35D994F0@***.net>...
> John, I've never seen a Honda off road further than a dirt parking lot,
> have you?
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Generic wrote:
> >
> > There's room for improvement. Here's a pretty direct comparison between a
> > Wrangler SE and the Honda CR-V.
> >
> > Wrangler SE: Curb weight 3235, 147 HP @ 5200 RPM, 165 lb-ft @ 4000 RPM, EPA
> > city 18, highway 20-21.
> >
> > CR-V: Curb weight 3258, 160 HP @ 6000 RPM, 162 lb-ft @ 3600 RPM, EPA city
> > 21, highway 25.
> >
> > The Honda makes more horsepower and the same torque (at lower RPM), but gets
> > 4-5 more miles per gallon on the highway. When you load one up with huge
> > tires and offroad gear the mileage would certainly drop, but that's almost
> > certainly not what the OP had in mind with his Jeep.
> >
> > -John
> >
> > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:412A9887.71CF6272@***.net...
> > > Because most of the TJs we see on the road weigh in at two tons,
> > > it's physically impossible to get better mileage.
> > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > >
> > > Generic wrote:
> > > >
> > > > That's not the point. The factory Wrangler engines make only 150 to 200
> HP,
> > > > so why couldn't they get better mileage with a newer tech engine? You
> don't
> > > > need the full 400 HP.
> > > >
> > > > -John
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Re: TJ engine swap - 4.0 to something with better MPG?
What does that have to do with anything?
Some Jeep setups get 10 mpg.
Some Jeep setups get 15 mpg.
Some Jeep setups get 20 mpg.
What could happen with more modern engines? Some Jeeps may get 25 mpg
and have the same power. All the setups may improve.
-John
L.W.(ßill) ------ III <----------@***.net> wrote in message news:<412AB1F6.35D994F0@***.net>...
> John, I've never seen a Honda off road further than a dirt parking lot,
> have you?
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Generic wrote:
> >
> > There's room for improvement. Here's a pretty direct comparison between a
> > Wrangler SE and the Honda CR-V.
> >
> > Wrangler SE: Curb weight 3235, 147 HP @ 5200 RPM, 165 lb-ft @ 4000 RPM, EPA
> > city 18, highway 20-21.
> >
> > CR-V: Curb weight 3258, 160 HP @ 6000 RPM, 162 lb-ft @ 3600 RPM, EPA city
> > 21, highway 25.
> >
> > The Honda makes more horsepower and the same torque (at lower RPM), but gets
> > 4-5 more miles per gallon on the highway. When you load one up with huge
> > tires and offroad gear the mileage would certainly drop, but that's almost
> > certainly not what the OP had in mind with his Jeep.
> >
> > -John
> >
> > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:412A9887.71CF6272@***.net...
> > > Because most of the TJs we see on the road weigh in at two tons,
> > > it's physically impossible to get better mileage.
> > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > >
> > > Generic wrote:
> > > >
> > > > That's not the point. The factory Wrangler engines make only 150 to 200
> HP,
> > > > so why couldn't they get better mileage with a newer tech engine? You
> don't
> > > > need the full 400 HP.
> > > >
> > > > -John
Some Jeep setups get 10 mpg.
Some Jeep setups get 15 mpg.
Some Jeep setups get 20 mpg.
What could happen with more modern engines? Some Jeeps may get 25 mpg
and have the same power. All the setups may improve.
-John
L.W.(ßill) ------ III <----------@***.net> wrote in message news:<412AB1F6.35D994F0@***.net>...
> John, I've never seen a Honda off road further than a dirt parking lot,
> have you?
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Generic wrote:
> >
> > There's room for improvement. Here's a pretty direct comparison between a
> > Wrangler SE and the Honda CR-V.
> >
> > Wrangler SE: Curb weight 3235, 147 HP @ 5200 RPM, 165 lb-ft @ 4000 RPM, EPA
> > city 18, highway 20-21.
> >
> > CR-V: Curb weight 3258, 160 HP @ 6000 RPM, 162 lb-ft @ 3600 RPM, EPA city
> > 21, highway 25.
> >
> > The Honda makes more horsepower and the same torque (at lower RPM), but gets
> > 4-5 more miles per gallon on the highway. When you load one up with huge
> > tires and offroad gear the mileage would certainly drop, but that's almost
> > certainly not what the OP had in mind with his Jeep.
> >
> > -John
> >
> > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:412A9887.71CF6272@***.net...
> > > Because most of the TJs we see on the road weigh in at two tons,
> > > it's physically impossible to get better mileage.
> > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > >
> > > Generic wrote:
> > > >
> > > > That's not the point. The factory Wrangler engines make only 150 to 200
> HP,
> > > > so why couldn't they get better mileage with a newer tech engine? You
> don't
> > > > need the full 400 HP.
> > > >
> > > > -John
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Re: TJ engine swap - 4.0 to something with better MPG?
Performance really improves with four hundred horse power:
http://www.----------.com/pismo/htm
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
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John wrote:
>
> What does that have to do with anything?
>
> Some Jeep setups get 10 mpg.
> Some Jeep setups get 15 mpg.
> Some Jeep setups get 20 mpg.
>
> What could happen with more modern engines? Some Jeeps may get 25 mpg
> and have the same power. All the setups may improve.
>
> -John
http://www.----------.com/pismo/htm
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
John wrote:
>
> What does that have to do with anything?
>
> Some Jeep setups get 10 mpg.
> Some Jeep setups get 15 mpg.
> Some Jeep setups get 20 mpg.
>
> What could happen with more modern engines? Some Jeeps may get 25 mpg
> and have the same power. All the setups may improve.
>
> -John
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: TJ engine swap - 4.0 to something with better MPG?
Performance really improves with four hundred horse power:
http://www.----------.com/pismo/htm
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
John wrote:
>
> What does that have to do with anything?
>
> Some Jeep setups get 10 mpg.
> Some Jeep setups get 15 mpg.
> Some Jeep setups get 20 mpg.
>
> What could happen with more modern engines? Some Jeeps may get 25 mpg
> and have the same power. All the setups may improve.
>
> -John
http://www.----------.com/pismo/htm
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
John wrote:
>
> What does that have to do with anything?
>
> Some Jeep setups get 10 mpg.
> Some Jeep setups get 15 mpg.
> Some Jeep setups get 20 mpg.
>
> What could happen with more modern engines? Some Jeeps may get 25 mpg
> and have the same power. All the setups may improve.
>
> -John
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: TJ engine swap - 4.0 to something with better MPG?
Performance really improves with four hundred horse power:
http://www.----------.com/pismo/htm
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
John wrote:
>
> What does that have to do with anything?
>
> Some Jeep setups get 10 mpg.
> Some Jeep setups get 15 mpg.
> Some Jeep setups get 20 mpg.
>
> What could happen with more modern engines? Some Jeeps may get 25 mpg
> and have the same power. All the setups may improve.
>
> -John
http://www.----------.com/pismo/htm
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
John wrote:
>
> What does that have to do with anything?
>
> Some Jeep setups get 10 mpg.
> Some Jeep setups get 15 mpg.
> Some Jeep setups get 20 mpg.
>
> What could happen with more modern engines? Some Jeeps may get 25 mpg
> and have the same power. All the setups may improve.
>
> -John
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Re: TJ engine swap - 4.0 to something with better MPG?
"Generic" <generic@scientist.com> wrote in message
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> There's room for improvement. Here's a pretty direct comparison between a
> Wrangler SE and the Honda CR-V.
>
> Wrangler SE: Curb weight 3235, 147 HP @ 5200 RPM, 165 lb-ft @ 4000 RPM,
EPA
> city 18, highway 20-21.
>
> CR-V: Curb weight 3258, 160 HP @ 6000 RPM, 162 lb-ft @ 3600 RPM, EPA city
> 21, highway 25.
>
>
> The Honda makes more horsepower and the same torque (at lower RPM), but
gets
> 4-5 more miles per gallon on the highway. When you load one up with huge
> tires and offroad gear the mileage would certainly drop, but that's almost
> certainly not what the OP had in mind with his Jeep.
First off, the SE is a 4 cylinder engine and this discussion was related to
the 4.0L six cylinder (tractor) engine we all know and love.
Secondly, 3 mpg difference is not that much. Especially considering the
Jeep running gear will allow you to actually go *off-road* and the Honda
running gear is designed for cruising the local mall. With that in mind,
the 3 mpg advantage of the Honda does not seem big enough to me...
-Fred W