Bob

Sounds like you've got a pretty good plan going there.

I originally didn't like the BL either, but a friend has one, and it's
not all that bad; I'm thinking about putting one on my TJ soon, and
going to 35s (I already have a 4" susp. lift).

FWIW, though, my friend didn't actually need to install the BL to fit
the JKS 1" MML spacer. I don't see why that wouldn't work for you as
well (his is a 1998 TJ; he doesn't have an AC, though, if that would
make a difference).

I am almost 100% positive there are no cam bolts for the rear control
arms. Only the front ones have them. (Jeep obviously didn't see any
reason we might want to change our pinion angles; after all, no one
who buys a Wrangler ever changes the driveline angles, right? LOL) So,
if you had to change the rear pinion angle for vibes, you'd probably
be looking at changing either your upper, lower, or both, control arms
in the rear (I just changed only my lowers with adjustable ones way
back when). The friend how did this OME lift that I keep referencing,
however, didn't change any of his control arms, and after putting in
the MML spacer, says it's riding fine, with no vibes; so it may be
that you will have the same experience. Who knows, though, with the
way one hears about no two jeeps being built exactly the same from the
factory ;-)

Good luck. Sounds like a good plan for the future build of your jeep,
and a lot of fun. (I wish I'd have had the money to do the 4:1 kit on
my 231 when I installed my SYE, too. Also, if I could do it over, I'd
have put in the tera 2-low kit then as well. Can't tell you how many
times I wished I could just run in 2wd while in low-range, especially
for situations of high-traction where I need to turn, but still need
to crawl, such as Moab sandstone slickrock ;-) )

/Bob


"TW" <a t t w @ w a v e . c o . n z> wrote in message news:<cbfnsd$ufq$2@news.wave.co.nz>...
>
> I am not a big fan of BL. I have looked at the DPG Offroad kit now. I
> think I can build mine (mix'n match) with the local ARB/OME supplier as
> well. He seems knowledagble about Jeeps (he drives a lifted Cherokee and
> his wife had a lifted TJ that they have now sold to somebody in our club).
> I'll try to go over on Monday and have a chat with him for getting
> everything sorted (I have next week off work).
>
> Can I use adjustable cam bolts in the rear to adjust my angles a little to
> eliminate possible vibes?
>
> My plan was to do things in batches (order depends on pricing and
> availability of funds):
>
> * Tyres / lift
> * SYE / 4:1 low t/c ratio / rear CV drive shaft
> * Diff re-gearing / air lockers
> * Winch / front bumper
> * Rear bumper / tyre carrier
>
> This should keep me busy in the next couple of years, and then the process
> starts again :-)
>
> You guys have helped me a lot in the past and I am sure I have saved a lot
> of money and time by not making the same mistakes :-)
>
> TW

TW

Thanks Bob. I do have air-con, don't know how much of a difference would
that make if do go with MML spacer. Knowing myself, if I do the t/c drop I
will be mentally anxious to get it back up as soon as possible (so this
might work out better in the end).

I am planning on visiting the guy in the next couple of days to finalise
things. I was just going to order front disconnects, rear extensions and
cam bolts (rear) to go with the lift to make things even.

Cheers,
TW


"Bob" <magicclaw@mac.com> wrote in message
news:47b769ae.0406271917.7c6ab9ee@posting.google.c om...
> Sounds like you've got a pretty good plan going there.
>
> I originally didn't like the BL either, but a friend has one, and it's
> not all that bad; I'm thinking about putting one on my TJ soon, and
> going to 35s (I already have a 4" susp. lift).
>
> FWIW, though, my friend didn't actually need to install the BL to fit
> the JKS 1" MML spacer. I don't see why that wouldn't work for you as
> well (his is a 1998 TJ; he doesn't have an AC, though, if that would
> make a difference).
>
> I am almost 100% positive there are no cam bolts for the rear control
> arms. Only the front ones have them. (Jeep obviously didn't see any
> reason we might want to change our pinion angles; after all, no one
> who buys a Wrangler ever changes the driveline angles, right? LOL) So,
> if you had to change the rear pinion angle for vibes, you'd probably
> be looking at changing either your upper, lower, or both, control arms
> in the rear (I just changed only my lowers with adjustable ones way
> back when). The friend how did this OME lift that I keep referencing,
> however, didn't change any of his control arms, and after putting in
> the MML spacer, says it's riding fine, with no vibes; so it may be
> that you will have the same experience. Who knows, though, with the
> way one hears about no two jeeps being built exactly the same from the
> factory ;-)
>
> Good luck. Sounds like a good plan for the future build of your jeep,
> and a lot of fun. (I wish I'd have had the money to do the 4:1 kit on
> my 231 when I installed my SYE, too. Also, if I could do it over, I'd
> have put in the tera 2-low kit then as well. Can't tell you how many
> times I wished I could just run in 2wd while in low-range, especially
> for situations of high-traction where I need to turn, but still need
> to crawl, such as Moab sandstone slickrock ;-) )
>
> /Bob
>
>

TW

Thanks Bob. I do have air-con, don't know how much of a difference would
that make if do go with MML spacer. Knowing myself, if I do the t/c drop I
will be mentally anxious to get it back up as soon as possible (so this
might work out better in the end).

I am planning on visiting the guy in the next couple of days to finalise
things. I was just going to order front disconnects, rear extensions and
cam bolts (rear) to go with the lift to make things even.

Cheers,
TW


"Bob" <magicclaw@mac.com> wrote in message
news:47b769ae.0406271917.7c6ab9ee@posting.google.c om...
> Sounds like you've got a pretty good plan going there.
>
> I originally didn't like the BL either, but a friend has one, and it's
> not all that bad; I'm thinking about putting one on my TJ soon, and
> going to 35s (I already have a 4" susp. lift).
>
> FWIW, though, my friend didn't actually need to install the BL to fit
> the JKS 1" MML spacer. I don't see why that wouldn't work for you as
> well (his is a 1998 TJ; he doesn't have an AC, though, if that would
> make a difference).
>
> I am almost 100% positive there are no cam bolts for the rear control
> arms. Only the front ones have them. (Jeep obviously didn't see any
> reason we might want to change our pinion angles; after all, no one
> who buys a Wrangler ever changes the driveline angles, right? LOL) So,
> if you had to change the rear pinion angle for vibes, you'd probably
> be looking at changing either your upper, lower, or both, control arms
> in the rear (I just changed only my lowers with adjustable ones way
> back when). The friend how did this OME lift that I keep referencing,
> however, didn't change any of his control arms, and after putting in
> the MML spacer, says it's riding fine, with no vibes; so it may be
> that you will have the same experience. Who knows, though, with the
> way one hears about no two jeeps being built exactly the same from the
> factory ;-)
>
> Good luck. Sounds like a good plan for the future build of your jeep,
> and a lot of fun. (I wish I'd have had the money to do the 4:1 kit on
> my 231 when I installed my SYE, too. Also, if I could do it over, I'd
> have put in the tera 2-low kit then as well. Can't tell you how many
> times I wished I could just run in 2wd while in low-range, especially
> for situations of high-traction where I need to turn, but still need
> to crawl, such as Moab sandstone slickrock ;-) )
>
> /Bob
>
>

TW

Thanks Bob. I do have air-con, don't know how much of a difference would
that make if do go with MML spacer. Knowing myself, if I do the t/c drop I
will be mentally anxious to get it back up as soon as possible (so this
might work out better in the end).

I am planning on visiting the guy in the next couple of days to finalise
things. I was just going to order front disconnects, rear extensions and
cam bolts (rear) to go with the lift to make things even.

Cheers,
TW


"Bob" <magicclaw@mac.com> wrote in message
news:47b769ae.0406271917.7c6ab9ee@posting.google.c om...
> Sounds like you've got a pretty good plan going there.
>
> I originally didn't like the BL either, but a friend has one, and it's
> not all that bad; I'm thinking about putting one on my TJ soon, and
> going to 35s (I already have a 4" susp. lift).
>
> FWIW, though, my friend didn't actually need to install the BL to fit
> the JKS 1" MML spacer. I don't see why that wouldn't work for you as
> well (his is a 1998 TJ; he doesn't have an AC, though, if that would
> make a difference).
>
> I am almost 100% positive there are no cam bolts for the rear control
> arms. Only the front ones have them. (Jeep obviously didn't see any
> reason we might want to change our pinion angles; after all, no one
> who buys a Wrangler ever changes the driveline angles, right? LOL) So,
> if you had to change the rear pinion angle for vibes, you'd probably
> be looking at changing either your upper, lower, or both, control arms
> in the rear (I just changed only my lowers with adjustable ones way
> back when). The friend how did this OME lift that I keep referencing,
> however, didn't change any of his control arms, and after putting in
> the MML spacer, says it's riding fine, with no vibes; so it may be
> that you will have the same experience. Who knows, though, with the
> way one hears about no two jeeps being built exactly the same from the
> factory ;-)
>
> Good luck. Sounds like a good plan for the future build of your jeep,
> and a lot of fun. (I wish I'd have had the money to do the 4:1 kit on
> my 231 when I installed my SYE, too. Also, if I could do it over, I'd
> have put in the tera 2-low kit then as well. Can't tell you how many
> times I wished I could just run in 2wd while in low-range, especially
> for situations of high-traction where I need to turn, but still need
> to crawl, such as Moab sandstone slickrock ;-) )
>
> /Bob
>
>

TW

Thanks Bob. I do have air-con, don't know how much of a difference would
that make if do go with MML spacer. Knowing myself, if I do the t/c drop I
will be mentally anxious to get it back up as soon as possible (so this
might work out better in the end).

I am planning on visiting the guy in the next couple of days to finalise
things. I was just going to order front disconnects, rear extensions and
cam bolts (rear) to go with the lift to make things even.

Cheers,
TW


"Bob" <magicclaw@mac.com> wrote in message
news:47b769ae.0406271917.7c6ab9ee@posting.google.c om...
> Sounds like you've got a pretty good plan going there.
>
> I originally didn't like the BL either, but a friend has one, and it's
> not all that bad; I'm thinking about putting one on my TJ soon, and
> going to 35s (I already have a 4" susp. lift).
>
> FWIW, though, my friend didn't actually need to install the BL to fit
> the JKS 1" MML spacer. I don't see why that wouldn't work for you as
> well (his is a 1998 TJ; he doesn't have an AC, though, if that would
> make a difference).
>
> I am almost 100% positive there are no cam bolts for the rear control
> arms. Only the front ones have them. (Jeep obviously didn't see any
> reason we might want to change our pinion angles; after all, no one
> who buys a Wrangler ever changes the driveline angles, right? LOL) So,
> if you had to change the rear pinion angle for vibes, you'd probably
> be looking at changing either your upper, lower, or both, control arms
> in the rear (I just changed only my lowers with adjustable ones way
> back when). The friend how did this OME lift that I keep referencing,
> however, didn't change any of his control arms, and after putting in
> the MML spacer, says it's riding fine, with no vibes; so it may be
> that you will have the same experience. Who knows, though, with the
> way one hears about no two jeeps being built exactly the same from the
> factory ;-)
>
> Good luck. Sounds like a good plan for the future build of your jeep,
> and a lot of fun. (I wish I'd have had the money to do the 4:1 kit on
> my 231 when I installed my SYE, too. Also, if I could do it over, I'd
> have put in the tera 2-low kit then as well. Can't tell you how many
> times I wished I could just run in 2wd while in low-range, especially
> for situations of high-traction where I need to turn, but still need
> to crawl, such as Moab sandstone slickrock ;-) )
>
> /Bob
>
>