TW

"Steve" <xjlifter@bogus.com> wrote in message
news:aNCCc.63447$Np3.2946895@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca...
>
> Get JKS#2001. Fits 2.5" - 6" lift on a TJ. You'll use the links adjusted
> to their shortest height and this should put the anti-sway bar arms at
> the preferred angle of +10 degrees with your 2.5" lift. As you add more
> weight and your springs sag over time, you'll still be within the
> recommended limit of +15 degrees:
>
> http://www.jksmfg.com/images/swaybar...JZJ_proof1.jpg
>
> When you get your SYE, track bars, control arms, and 2" coil spacers to
> clear 33s, your discos will adjust to fit.
>
> Steve

Thanks Steve for all your valuable input. It probably has saved me from
blowing my budget.

Do you have any recommendations for how to extending the rear anti-sway bar
linkage? I don't want to completely disconnect front and rear at the same
time.

TW

TW

"Steve" <xjlifter@bogus.com> wrote in message
news:aNCCc.63447$Np3.2946895@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca...
>
> Get JKS#2001. Fits 2.5" - 6" lift on a TJ. You'll use the links adjusted
> to their shortest height and this should put the anti-sway bar arms at
> the preferred angle of +10 degrees with your 2.5" lift. As you add more
> weight and your springs sag over time, you'll still be within the
> recommended limit of +15 degrees:
>
> http://www.jksmfg.com/images/swaybar...JZJ_proof1.jpg
>
> When you get your SYE, track bars, control arms, and 2" coil spacers to
> clear 33s, your discos will adjust to fit.
>
> Steve

Thanks Steve for all your valuable input. It probably has saved me from
blowing my budget.

Do you have any recommendations for how to extending the rear anti-sway bar
linkage? I don't want to completely disconnect front and rear at the same
time.

TW

TW

"Steve" <xjlifter@bogus.com> wrote in message
news:aNCCc.63447$Np3.2946895@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca...
>
> Get JKS#2001. Fits 2.5" - 6" lift on a TJ. You'll use the links adjusted
> to their shortest height and this should put the anti-sway bar arms at
> the preferred angle of +10 degrees with your 2.5" lift. As you add more
> weight and your springs sag over time, you'll still be within the
> recommended limit of +15 degrees:
>
> http://www.jksmfg.com/images/swaybar...JZJ_proof1.jpg
>
> When you get your SYE, track bars, control arms, and 2" coil spacers to
> clear 33s, your discos will adjust to fit.
>
> Steve

Thanks Steve for all your valuable input. It probably has saved me from
blowing my budget.

Do you have any recommendations for how to extending the rear anti-sway bar
linkage? I don't want to completely disconnect front and rear at the same
time.

TW

TW

"Bob" <magicclaw@mac.com> wrote in message
news:47b769ae.0406241408.30cf0b4a@posting.google.c om...
>
> I suppose one could argue that it would EVER so SLIGHTLY increase the
> COG, but not enough to matter, IMHO. I liked the MML idea since it
> allowed him to keep his t-case skid at stock height so that the belly
> clearance gained by the lift kit wasn't simply negated by dropping the
> t-case skid.
>
> He got his OME lift from a mail-order place here in the U.S. called
> DPG offroad. The kit he got included the MML and BL, instead of
> including a t-case drop kit.
>
> I'm sure either way will work for you, though, and since you do plan
> on doing the SYE in a reasonable amount of time, it's not a big deal.
>
> Hey, no problem man. Hope it helped. ;)
>

I am not a big fan of BL. I have looked at the DPG Offroad kit now. I
think I can build mine (mix'n match) with the local ARB/OME supplier as
well. He seems knowledagble about Jeeps (he drives a lifted Cherokee and
his wife had a lifted TJ that they have now sold to somebody in our club).
I'll try to go over on Monday and have a chat with him for getting
everything sorted (I have next week off work).

Can I use adjustable cam bolts in the rear to adjust my angles a little to
eliminate possible vibes?

My plan was to do things in batches (order depends on pricing and
availability of funds):

* Tyres / lift
* SYE / 4:1 low t/c ratio / rear CV drive shaft
* Diff re-gearing / air lockers
* Winch / front bumper
* Rear bumper / tyre carrier

This should keep me busy in the next couple of years, and then the process
starts again :-)

You guys have helped me a lot in the past and I am sure I have saved a lot
of money and time by not making the same mistakes :-)

TW

TW

"Bob" <magicclaw@mac.com> wrote in message
news:47b769ae.0406241408.30cf0b4a@posting.google.c om...
>
> I suppose one could argue that it would EVER so SLIGHTLY increase the
> COG, but not enough to matter, IMHO. I liked the MML idea since it
> allowed him to keep his t-case skid at stock height so that the belly
> clearance gained by the lift kit wasn't simply negated by dropping the
> t-case skid.
>
> He got his OME lift from a mail-order place here in the U.S. called
> DPG offroad. The kit he got included the MML and BL, instead of
> including a t-case drop kit.
>
> I'm sure either way will work for you, though, and since you do plan
> on doing the SYE in a reasonable amount of time, it's not a big deal.
>
> Hey, no problem man. Hope it helped. ;)
>

I am not a big fan of BL. I have looked at the DPG Offroad kit now. I
think I can build mine (mix'n match) with the local ARB/OME supplier as
well. He seems knowledagble about Jeeps (he drives a lifted Cherokee and
his wife had a lifted TJ that they have now sold to somebody in our club).
I'll try to go over on Monday and have a chat with him for getting
everything sorted (I have next week off work).

Can I use adjustable cam bolts in the rear to adjust my angles a little to
eliminate possible vibes?

My plan was to do things in batches (order depends on pricing and
availability of funds):

* Tyres / lift
* SYE / 4:1 low t/c ratio / rear CV drive shaft
* Diff re-gearing / air lockers
* Winch / front bumper
* Rear bumper / tyre carrier

This should keep me busy in the next couple of years, and then the process
starts again :-)

You guys have helped me a lot in the past and I am sure I have saved a lot
of money and time by not making the same mistakes :-)

TW

TW

"Bob" <magicclaw@mac.com> wrote in message
news:47b769ae.0406241408.30cf0b4a@posting.google.c om...
>
> I suppose one could argue that it would EVER so SLIGHTLY increase the
> COG, but not enough to matter, IMHO. I liked the MML idea since it
> allowed him to keep his t-case skid at stock height so that the belly
> clearance gained by the lift kit wasn't simply negated by dropping the
> t-case skid.
>
> He got his OME lift from a mail-order place here in the U.S. called
> DPG offroad. The kit he got included the MML and BL, instead of
> including a t-case drop kit.
>
> I'm sure either way will work for you, though, and since you do plan
> on doing the SYE in a reasonable amount of time, it's not a big deal.
>
> Hey, no problem man. Hope it helped. ;)
>

I am not a big fan of BL. I have looked at the DPG Offroad kit now. I
think I can build mine (mix'n match) with the local ARB/OME supplier as
well. He seems knowledagble about Jeeps (he drives a lifted Cherokee and
his wife had a lifted TJ that they have now sold to somebody in our club).
I'll try to go over on Monday and have a chat with him for getting
everything sorted (I have next week off work).

Can I use adjustable cam bolts in the rear to adjust my angles a little to
eliminate possible vibes?

My plan was to do things in batches (order depends on pricing and
availability of funds):

* Tyres / lift
* SYE / 4:1 low t/c ratio / rear CV drive shaft
* Diff re-gearing / air lockers
* Winch / front bumper
* Rear bumper / tyre carrier

This should keep me busy in the next couple of years, and then the process
starts again :-)

You guys have helped me a lot in the past and I am sure I have saved a lot
of money and time by not making the same mistakes :-)

TW

TW

"Bob" <magicclaw@mac.com> wrote in message
news:47b769ae.0406241408.30cf0b4a@posting.google.c om...
>
> I suppose one could argue that it would EVER so SLIGHTLY increase the
> COG, but not enough to matter, IMHO. I liked the MML idea since it
> allowed him to keep his t-case skid at stock height so that the belly
> clearance gained by the lift kit wasn't simply negated by dropping the
> t-case skid.
>
> He got his OME lift from a mail-order place here in the U.S. called
> DPG offroad. The kit he got included the MML and BL, instead of
> including a t-case drop kit.
>
> I'm sure either way will work for you, though, and since you do plan
> on doing the SYE in a reasonable amount of time, it's not a big deal.
>
> Hey, no problem man. Hope it helped. ;)
>

I am not a big fan of BL. I have looked at the DPG Offroad kit now. I
think I can build mine (mix'n match) with the local ARB/OME supplier as
well. He seems knowledagble about Jeeps (he drives a lifted Cherokee and
his wife had a lifted TJ that they have now sold to somebody in our club).
I'll try to go over on Monday and have a chat with him for getting
everything sorted (I have next week off work).

Can I use adjustable cam bolts in the rear to adjust my angles a little to
eliminate possible vibes?

My plan was to do things in batches (order depends on pricing and
availability of funds):

* Tyres / lift
* SYE / 4:1 low t/c ratio / rear CV drive shaft
* Diff re-gearing / air lockers
* Winch / front bumper
* Rear bumper / tyre carrier

This should keep me busy in the next couple of years, and then the process
starts again :-)

You guys have helped me a lot in the past and I am sure I have saved a lot
of money and time by not making the same mistakes :-)

TW

Bob

Sounds like you've got a pretty good plan going there.

I originally didn't like the BL either, but a friend has one, and it's
not all that bad; I'm thinking about putting one on my TJ soon, and
going to 35s (I already have a 4" susp. lift).

FWIW, though, my friend didn't actually need to install the BL to fit
the JKS 1" MML spacer. I don't see why that wouldn't work for you as
well (his is a 1998 TJ; he doesn't have an AC, though, if that would
make a difference).

I am almost 100% positive there are no cam bolts for the rear control
arms. Only the front ones have them. (Jeep obviously didn't see any
reason we might want to change our pinion angles; after all, no one
who buys a Wrangler ever changes the driveline angles, right? LOL) So,
if you had to change the rear pinion angle for vibes, you'd probably
be looking at changing either your upper, lower, or both, control arms
in the rear (I just changed only my lowers with adjustable ones way
back when). The friend how did this OME lift that I keep referencing,
however, didn't change any of his control arms, and after putting in
the MML spacer, says it's riding fine, with no vibes; so it may be
that you will have the same experience. Who knows, though, with the
way one hears about no two jeeps being built exactly the same from the
factory ;-)

Good luck. Sounds like a good plan for the future build of your jeep,
and a lot of fun. (I wish I'd have had the money to do the 4:1 kit on
my 231 when I installed my SYE, too. Also, if I could do it over, I'd
have put in the tera 2-low kit then as well. Can't tell you how many
times I wished I could just run in 2wd while in low-range, especially
for situations of high-traction where I need to turn, but still need
to crawl, such as Moab sandstone slickrock ;-) )

/Bob


"TW" <a t t w @ w a v e . c o . n z> wrote in message news:<cbfnsd$ufq$2@news.wave.co.nz>...
>
> I am not a big fan of BL. I have looked at the DPG Offroad kit now. I
> think I can build mine (mix'n match) with the local ARB/OME supplier as
> well. He seems knowledagble about Jeeps (he drives a lifted Cherokee and
> his wife had a lifted TJ that they have now sold to somebody in our club).
> I'll try to go over on Monday and have a chat with him for getting
> everything sorted (I have next week off work).
>
> Can I use adjustable cam bolts in the rear to adjust my angles a little to
> eliminate possible vibes?
>
> My plan was to do things in batches (order depends on pricing and
> availability of funds):
>
> * Tyres / lift
> * SYE / 4:1 low t/c ratio / rear CV drive shaft
> * Diff re-gearing / air lockers
> * Winch / front bumper
> * Rear bumper / tyre carrier
>
> This should keep me busy in the next couple of years, and then the process
> starts again :-)
>
> You guys have helped me a lot in the past and I am sure I have saved a lot
> of money and time by not making the same mistakes :-)
>
> TW

Bob

Sounds like you've got a pretty good plan going there.

I originally didn't like the BL either, but a friend has one, and it's
not all that bad; I'm thinking about putting one on my TJ soon, and
going to 35s (I already have a 4" susp. lift).

FWIW, though, my friend didn't actually need to install the BL to fit
the JKS 1" MML spacer. I don't see why that wouldn't work for you as
well (his is a 1998 TJ; he doesn't have an AC, though, if that would
make a difference).

I am almost 100% positive there are no cam bolts for the rear control
arms. Only the front ones have them. (Jeep obviously didn't see any
reason we might want to change our pinion angles; after all, no one
who buys a Wrangler ever changes the driveline angles, right? LOL) So,
if you had to change the rear pinion angle for vibes, you'd probably
be looking at changing either your upper, lower, or both, control arms
in the rear (I just changed only my lowers with adjustable ones way
back when). The friend how did this OME lift that I keep referencing,
however, didn't change any of his control arms, and after putting in
the MML spacer, says it's riding fine, with no vibes; so it may be
that you will have the same experience. Who knows, though, with the
way one hears about no two jeeps being built exactly the same from the
factory ;-)

Good luck. Sounds like a good plan for the future build of your jeep,
and a lot of fun. (I wish I'd have had the money to do the 4:1 kit on
my 231 when I installed my SYE, too. Also, if I could do it over, I'd
have put in the tera 2-low kit then as well. Can't tell you how many
times I wished I could just run in 2wd while in low-range, especially
for situations of high-traction where I need to turn, but still need
to crawl, such as Moab sandstone slickrock ;-) )

/Bob


"TW" <a t t w @ w a v e . c o . n z> wrote in message news:<cbfnsd$ufq$2@news.wave.co.nz>...
>
> I am not a big fan of BL. I have looked at the DPG Offroad kit now. I
> think I can build mine (mix'n match) with the local ARB/OME supplier as
> well. He seems knowledagble about Jeeps (he drives a lifted Cherokee and
> his wife had a lifted TJ that they have now sold to somebody in our club).
> I'll try to go over on Monday and have a chat with him for getting
> everything sorted (I have next week off work).
>
> Can I use adjustable cam bolts in the rear to adjust my angles a little to
> eliminate possible vibes?
>
> My plan was to do things in batches (order depends on pricing and
> availability of funds):
>
> * Tyres / lift
> * SYE / 4:1 low t/c ratio / rear CV drive shaft
> * Diff re-gearing / air lockers
> * Winch / front bumper
> * Rear bumper / tyre carrier
>
> This should keep me busy in the next couple of years, and then the process
> starts again :-)
>
> You guys have helped me a lot in the past and I am sure I have saved a lot
> of money and time by not making the same mistakes :-)
>
> TW

Bob

Sounds like you've got a pretty good plan going there.

I originally didn't like the BL either, but a friend has one, and it's
not all that bad; I'm thinking about putting one on my TJ soon, and
going to 35s (I already have a 4" susp. lift).

FWIW, though, my friend didn't actually need to install the BL to fit
the JKS 1" MML spacer. I don't see why that wouldn't work for you as
well (his is a 1998 TJ; he doesn't have an AC, though, if that would
make a difference).

I am almost 100% positive there are no cam bolts for the rear control
arms. Only the front ones have them. (Jeep obviously didn't see any
reason we might want to change our pinion angles; after all, no one
who buys a Wrangler ever changes the driveline angles, right? LOL) So,
if you had to change the rear pinion angle for vibes, you'd probably
be looking at changing either your upper, lower, or both, control arms
in the rear (I just changed only my lowers with adjustable ones way
back when). The friend how did this OME lift that I keep referencing,
however, didn't change any of his control arms, and after putting in
the MML spacer, says it's riding fine, with no vibes; so it may be
that you will have the same experience. Who knows, though, with the
way one hears about no two jeeps being built exactly the same from the
factory ;-)

Good luck. Sounds like a good plan for the future build of your jeep,
and a lot of fun. (I wish I'd have had the money to do the 4:1 kit on
my 231 when I installed my SYE, too. Also, if I could do it over, I'd
have put in the tera 2-low kit then as well. Can't tell you how many
times I wished I could just run in 2wd while in low-range, especially
for situations of high-traction where I need to turn, but still need
to crawl, such as Moab sandstone slickrock ;-) )

/Bob


"TW" <a t t w @ w a v e . c o . n z> wrote in message news:<cbfnsd$ufq$2@news.wave.co.nz>...
>
> I am not a big fan of BL. I have looked at the DPG Offroad kit now. I
> think I can build mine (mix'n match) with the local ARB/OME supplier as
> well. He seems knowledagble about Jeeps (he drives a lifted Cherokee and
> his wife had a lifted TJ that they have now sold to somebody in our club).
> I'll try to go over on Monday and have a chat with him for getting
> everything sorted (I have next week off work).
>
> Can I use adjustable cam bolts in the rear to adjust my angles a little to
> eliminate possible vibes?
>
> My plan was to do things in batches (order depends on pricing and
> availability of funds):
>
> * Tyres / lift
> * SYE / 4:1 low t/c ratio / rear CV drive shaft
> * Diff re-gearing / air lockers
> * Winch / front bumper
> * Rear bumper / tyre carrier
>
> This should keep me busy in the next couple of years, and then the process
> starts again :-)
>
> You guys have helped me a lot in the past and I am sure I have saved a lot
> of money and time by not making the same mistakes :-)
>
> TW