T18/Dana300 swap update
02-12-2004, 02:39 PM
#51
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Posts: n/a
Re: T18/Dana300 swap update
Did the last clutch work?
Oops, maybe not eh, which is why you are changing it.
A clutch ia like a brake, you have to match the flywheel or brake drum
to the size of the disk or shoe.
If you go all new parts, it makes no matter, if you mix and match, then
you have to go with the wear pattern on the flywheel or brake drum.
I have seen a mess of brakes where the drum was 3" and the shoes were
2.75", that works.
The other way around doesn't.
'Totally wrong' from stock doesn't mean it won't work just fine.
Mike
Ron Croonenberg wrote:
>
> Uhm, the last working clutch I don't have anymore.
>
> The clutch I have now might be totally wrong...and the flywqheel was
> surfaced before I put the last clutch on.
>
> Ron
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
>
> > You need to measure the mark on the flywheel from the last clutch.
> >
> > What was originally in there has no bearing 20 or more years later in a
> > Jeep.
> >
> > Or get the flywheel turned 'flat' and buy an all new clutch and pressure
> > plate of either size.
> >
> > The pressure plate will also be bigger if the clutch is bigger.
> >
> > I just helped a friend do his and got asked the same so measured... the
> > damn plate was 10.75". Go figure. We went with the 10.5" to be on the
> > safe side....
> >
> > No clue where the last clutch and pressure plate came from. This was an
> > 'imported' 4 speed tranny put into an 82.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > Ron Croonenberg wrote:
> >
> >>Ok cool...
> >>
> >>I called them, and they have it/them.. but I was asked : "with a
> >>10.5" or 11" disc ?"
> >>
> >>So what is it that originally is in there ?
> >>
> >>thanks,
> >>
> >>Ron
> >>
> >>Robert Bills wrote:
> >>
> >>>>when I ask the parts store that I want a clutch for that
> >>>>application, 258 - T150 bellhousing - Borg Warner T18 for a '79 CJ5 then
> >>>>I should get a clutch that works ... or get the "we don't carry that"
> >>>>answer, right ?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Ask for a clutch for a '79 CJ-7 with T-150 transmission. Since there were both
> >>>V-8 and inline 6 engines in '79, you might want to confirm that the clutch part
> >>>numbers are the same for both engines. My recollection is that they are the
> >>>same. If you ask for what you actually have (258/T-150 Bellhousing and T-18
> >>>tranny), the parts guy won't have a clue what you are talking about because
> >>>there are no such animals in his parts book.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>do you mean the overall height ?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>yes.
> >>>
> >>>Robert Bills
> >>>KG6LMV
> >>>Orange County CA
> >>>
> >>>http://www.outdoorwire.com/4x4/jeep/...p-l/billsr.htm
> >>>http://www.RobertBills.com
Oops, maybe not eh, which is why you are changing it.
A clutch ia like a brake, you have to match the flywheel or brake drum
to the size of the disk or shoe.
If you go all new parts, it makes no matter, if you mix and match, then
you have to go with the wear pattern on the flywheel or brake drum.
I have seen a mess of brakes where the drum was 3" and the shoes were
2.75", that works.
The other way around doesn't.
'Totally wrong' from stock doesn't mean it won't work just fine.
Mike
Ron Croonenberg wrote:
>
> Uhm, the last working clutch I don't have anymore.
>
> The clutch I have now might be totally wrong...and the flywqheel was
> surfaced before I put the last clutch on.
>
> Ron
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
>
> > You need to measure the mark on the flywheel from the last clutch.
> >
> > What was originally in there has no bearing 20 or more years later in a
> > Jeep.
> >
> > Or get the flywheel turned 'flat' and buy an all new clutch and pressure
> > plate of either size.
> >
> > The pressure plate will also be bigger if the clutch is bigger.
> >
> > I just helped a friend do his and got asked the same so measured... the
> > damn plate was 10.75". Go figure. We went with the 10.5" to be on the
> > safe side....
> >
> > No clue where the last clutch and pressure plate came from. This was an
> > 'imported' 4 speed tranny put into an 82.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > Ron Croonenberg wrote:
> >
> >>Ok cool...
> >>
> >>I called them, and they have it/them.. but I was asked : "with a
> >>10.5" or 11" disc ?"
> >>
> >>So what is it that originally is in there ?
> >>
> >>thanks,
> >>
> >>Ron
> >>
> >>Robert Bills wrote:
> >>
> >>>>when I ask the parts store that I want a clutch for that
> >>>>application, 258 - T150 bellhousing - Borg Warner T18 for a '79 CJ5 then
> >>>>I should get a clutch that works ... or get the "we don't carry that"
> >>>>answer, right ?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Ask for a clutch for a '79 CJ-7 with T-150 transmission. Since there were both
> >>>V-8 and inline 6 engines in '79, you might want to confirm that the clutch part
> >>>numbers are the same for both engines. My recollection is that they are the
> >>>same. If you ask for what you actually have (258/T-150 Bellhousing and T-18
> >>>tranny), the parts guy won't have a clue what you are talking about because
> >>>there are no such animals in his parts book.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>do you mean the overall height ?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>yes.
> >>>
> >>>Robert Bills
> >>>KG6LMV
> >>>Orange County CA
> >>>
> >>>http://www.outdoorwire.com/4x4/jeep/...p-l/billsr.htm
> >>>http://www.RobertBills.com
02-12-2004, 02:39 PM
#52
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: T18/Dana300 swap update
Did the last clutch work?
Oops, maybe not eh, which is why you are changing it.
A clutch ia like a brake, you have to match the flywheel or brake drum
to the size of the disk or shoe.
If you go all new parts, it makes no matter, if you mix and match, then
you have to go with the wear pattern on the flywheel or brake drum.
I have seen a mess of brakes where the drum was 3" and the shoes were
2.75", that works.
The other way around doesn't.
'Totally wrong' from stock doesn't mean it won't work just fine.
Mike
Ron Croonenberg wrote:
>
> Uhm, the last working clutch I don't have anymore.
>
> The clutch I have now might be totally wrong...and the flywqheel was
> surfaced before I put the last clutch on.
>
> Ron
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
>
> > You need to measure the mark on the flywheel from the last clutch.
> >
> > What was originally in there has no bearing 20 or more years later in a
> > Jeep.
> >
> > Or get the flywheel turned 'flat' and buy an all new clutch and pressure
> > plate of either size.
> >
> > The pressure plate will also be bigger if the clutch is bigger.
> >
> > I just helped a friend do his and got asked the same so measured... the
> > damn plate was 10.75". Go figure. We went with the 10.5" to be on the
> > safe side....
> >
> > No clue where the last clutch and pressure plate came from. This was an
> > 'imported' 4 speed tranny put into an 82.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > Ron Croonenberg wrote:
> >
> >>Ok cool...
> >>
> >>I called them, and they have it/them.. but I was asked : "with a
> >>10.5" or 11" disc ?"
> >>
> >>So what is it that originally is in there ?
> >>
> >>thanks,
> >>
> >>Ron
> >>
> >>Robert Bills wrote:
> >>
> >>>>when I ask the parts store that I want a clutch for that
> >>>>application, 258 - T150 bellhousing - Borg Warner T18 for a '79 CJ5 then
> >>>>I should get a clutch that works ... or get the "we don't carry that"
> >>>>answer, right ?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Ask for a clutch for a '79 CJ-7 with T-150 transmission. Since there were both
> >>>V-8 and inline 6 engines in '79, you might want to confirm that the clutch part
> >>>numbers are the same for both engines. My recollection is that they are the
> >>>same. If you ask for what you actually have (258/T-150 Bellhousing and T-18
> >>>tranny), the parts guy won't have a clue what you are talking about because
> >>>there are no such animals in his parts book.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>do you mean the overall height ?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>yes.
> >>>
> >>>Robert Bills
> >>>KG6LMV
> >>>Orange County CA
> >>>
> >>>http://www.outdoorwire.com/4x4/jeep/...p-l/billsr.htm
> >>>http://www.RobertBills.com
Oops, maybe not eh, which is why you are changing it.
A clutch ia like a brake, you have to match the flywheel or brake drum
to the size of the disk or shoe.
If you go all new parts, it makes no matter, if you mix and match, then
you have to go with the wear pattern on the flywheel or brake drum.
I have seen a mess of brakes where the drum was 3" and the shoes were
2.75", that works.
The other way around doesn't.
'Totally wrong' from stock doesn't mean it won't work just fine.
Mike
Ron Croonenberg wrote:
>
> Uhm, the last working clutch I don't have anymore.
>
> The clutch I have now might be totally wrong...and the flywqheel was
> surfaced before I put the last clutch on.
>
> Ron
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
>
> > You need to measure the mark on the flywheel from the last clutch.
> >
> > What was originally in there has no bearing 20 or more years later in a
> > Jeep.
> >
> > Or get the flywheel turned 'flat' and buy an all new clutch and pressure
> > plate of either size.
> >
> > The pressure plate will also be bigger if the clutch is bigger.
> >
> > I just helped a friend do his and got asked the same so measured... the
> > damn plate was 10.75". Go figure. We went with the 10.5" to be on the
> > safe side....
> >
> > No clue where the last clutch and pressure plate came from. This was an
> > 'imported' 4 speed tranny put into an 82.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > Ron Croonenberg wrote:
> >
> >>Ok cool...
> >>
> >>I called them, and they have it/them.. but I was asked : "with a
> >>10.5" or 11" disc ?"
> >>
> >>So what is it that originally is in there ?
> >>
> >>thanks,
> >>
> >>Ron
> >>
> >>Robert Bills wrote:
> >>
> >>>>when I ask the parts store that I want a clutch for that
> >>>>application, 258 - T150 bellhousing - Borg Warner T18 for a '79 CJ5 then
> >>>>I should get a clutch that works ... or get the "we don't carry that"
> >>>>answer, right ?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Ask for a clutch for a '79 CJ-7 with T-150 transmission. Since there were both
> >>>V-8 and inline 6 engines in '79, you might want to confirm that the clutch part
> >>>numbers are the same for both engines. My recollection is that they are the
> >>>same. If you ask for what you actually have (258/T-150 Bellhousing and T-18
> >>>tranny), the parts guy won't have a clue what you are talking about because
> >>>there are no such animals in his parts book.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>do you mean the overall height ?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>yes.
> >>>
> >>>Robert Bills
> >>>KG6LMV
> >>>Orange County CA
> >>>
> >>>http://www.outdoorwire.com/4x4/jeep/...p-l/billsr.htm
> >>>http://www.RobertBills.com
02-12-2004, 02:58 PM
#53
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: T18/Dana300 swap update
Hi Mike,
This reminds me of when your throw out bearing had a notch on the
sleeve and wore the fingers off the plate, the picture you gave us:
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/...9/fdc454dc.jpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Mike Romain wrote:
>
> You need to measure the mark on the flywheel from the last clutch.
>
> What was originally in there has no bearing 20 or more years later in a
> Jeep.
>
> Or get the flywheel turned 'flat' and buy an all new clutch and pressure
> plate of either size.
>
> The pressure plate will also be bigger if the clutch is bigger.
>
> I just helped a friend do his and got asked the same so measured... the
> damn plate was 10.75". Go figure. We went with the 10.5" to be on the
> safe side....
>
> No clue where the last clutch and pressure plate came from. This was an
> 'imported' 4 speed tranny put into an 82.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
This reminds me of when your throw out bearing had a notch on the
sleeve and wore the fingers off the plate, the picture you gave us:
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/...9/fdc454dc.jpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Mike Romain wrote:
>
> You need to measure the mark on the flywheel from the last clutch.
>
> What was originally in there has no bearing 20 or more years later in a
> Jeep.
>
> Or get the flywheel turned 'flat' and buy an all new clutch and pressure
> plate of either size.
>
> The pressure plate will also be bigger if the clutch is bigger.
>
> I just helped a friend do his and got asked the same so measured... the
> damn plate was 10.75". Go figure. We went with the 10.5" to be on the
> safe side....
>
> No clue where the last clutch and pressure plate came from. This was an
> 'imported' 4 speed tranny put into an 82.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
02-12-2004, 02:58 PM
#54
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: T18/Dana300 swap update
Hi Mike,
This reminds me of when your throw out bearing had a notch on the
sleeve and wore the fingers off the plate, the picture you gave us:
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/...9/fdc454dc.jpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Mike Romain wrote:
>
> You need to measure the mark on the flywheel from the last clutch.
>
> What was originally in there has no bearing 20 or more years later in a
> Jeep.
>
> Or get the flywheel turned 'flat' and buy an all new clutch and pressure
> plate of either size.
>
> The pressure plate will also be bigger if the clutch is bigger.
>
> I just helped a friend do his and got asked the same so measured... the
> damn plate was 10.75". Go figure. We went with the 10.5" to be on the
> safe side....
>
> No clue where the last clutch and pressure plate came from. This was an
> 'imported' 4 speed tranny put into an 82.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
This reminds me of when your throw out bearing had a notch on the
sleeve and wore the fingers off the plate, the picture you gave us:
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/...9/fdc454dc.jpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Mike Romain wrote:
>
> You need to measure the mark on the flywheel from the last clutch.
>
> What was originally in there has no bearing 20 or more years later in a
> Jeep.
>
> Or get the flywheel turned 'flat' and buy an all new clutch and pressure
> plate of either size.
>
> The pressure plate will also be bigger if the clutch is bigger.
>
> I just helped a friend do his and got asked the same so measured... the
> damn plate was 10.75". Go figure. We went with the 10.5" to be on the
> safe side....
>
> No clue where the last clutch and pressure plate came from. This was an
> 'imported' 4 speed tranny put into an 82.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
02-12-2004, 02:58 PM
#55
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: T18/Dana300 swap update
Hi Mike,
This reminds me of when your throw out bearing had a notch on the
sleeve and wore the fingers off the plate, the picture you gave us:
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/...9/fdc454dc.jpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Mike Romain wrote:
>
> You need to measure the mark on the flywheel from the last clutch.
>
> What was originally in there has no bearing 20 or more years later in a
> Jeep.
>
> Or get the flywheel turned 'flat' and buy an all new clutch and pressure
> plate of either size.
>
> The pressure plate will also be bigger if the clutch is bigger.
>
> I just helped a friend do his and got asked the same so measured... the
> damn plate was 10.75". Go figure. We went with the 10.5" to be on the
> safe side....
>
> No clue where the last clutch and pressure plate came from. This was an
> 'imported' 4 speed tranny put into an 82.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
This reminds me of when your throw out bearing had a notch on the
sleeve and wore the fingers off the plate, the picture you gave us:
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/...9/fdc454dc.jpg
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Mike Romain wrote:
>
> You need to measure the mark on the flywheel from the last clutch.
>
> What was originally in there has no bearing 20 or more years later in a
> Jeep.
>
> Or get the flywheel turned 'flat' and buy an all new clutch and pressure
> plate of either size.
>
> The pressure plate will also be bigger if the clutch is bigger.
>
> I just helped a friend do his and got asked the same so measured... the
> damn plate was 10.75". Go figure. We went with the 10.5" to be on the
> safe side....
>
> No clue where the last clutch and pressure plate came from. This was an
> 'imported' 4 speed tranny put into an 82.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
02-12-2004, 03:36 PM
#56
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: T18/Dana300 swap update
Live and learn eh...
I had 'no' freaking idea that ding in the nose piece of the tranny would
cause that burn out when I did a frame up rebuild on my CJ7!
I did just save another Jeeper the same headache by ID'ing the ding as
the reason his pressure plate got burned out just like mine so that was
a cool thing to learn...
It was -25C when we did the job.....
Instead of him just replacing his clutch like I did just to burn it out
fast like I did, he learned to replace the nose piece or 'bearing
retainer' cone with the burned out pressure plate.
Mike
"L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
>
> Hi Mike,
> This reminds me of when your throw out bearing had a notch on the
> sleeve and wore the fingers off the plate, the picture you gave us:
> http://www.imagestation.com/picture/...9/fdc454dc.jpg
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
> >
> > You need to measure the mark on the flywheel from the last clutch.
> >
> > What was originally in there has no bearing 20 or more years later in a
> > Jeep.
> >
> > Or get the flywheel turned 'flat' and buy an all new clutch and pressure
> > plate of either size.
> >
> > The pressure plate will also be bigger if the clutch is bigger.
> >
> > I just helped a friend do his and got asked the same so measured... the
> > damn plate was 10.75". Go figure. We went with the 10.5" to be on the
> > safe side....
> >
> > No clue where the last clutch and pressure plate came from. This was an
> > 'imported' 4 speed tranny put into an 82.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
I had 'no' freaking idea that ding in the nose piece of the tranny would
cause that burn out when I did a frame up rebuild on my CJ7!
I did just save another Jeeper the same headache by ID'ing the ding as
the reason his pressure plate got burned out just like mine so that was
a cool thing to learn...
It was -25C when we did the job.....
Instead of him just replacing his clutch like I did just to burn it out
fast like I did, he learned to replace the nose piece or 'bearing
retainer' cone with the burned out pressure plate.
Mike
"L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
>
> Hi Mike,
> This reminds me of when your throw out bearing had a notch on the
> sleeve and wore the fingers off the plate, the picture you gave us:
> http://www.imagestation.com/picture/...9/fdc454dc.jpg
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
> >
> > You need to measure the mark on the flywheel from the last clutch.
> >
> > What was originally in there has no bearing 20 or more years later in a
> > Jeep.
> >
> > Or get the flywheel turned 'flat' and buy an all new clutch and pressure
> > plate of either size.
> >
> > The pressure plate will also be bigger if the clutch is bigger.
> >
> > I just helped a friend do his and got asked the same so measured... the
> > damn plate was 10.75". Go figure. We went with the 10.5" to be on the
> > safe side....
> >
> > No clue where the last clutch and pressure plate came from. This was an
> > 'imported' 4 speed tranny put into an 82.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
02-12-2004, 03:36 PM
#57
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: T18/Dana300 swap update
Live and learn eh...
I had 'no' freaking idea that ding in the nose piece of the tranny would
cause that burn out when I did a frame up rebuild on my CJ7!
I did just save another Jeeper the same headache by ID'ing the ding as
the reason his pressure plate got burned out just like mine so that was
a cool thing to learn...
It was -25C when we did the job.....
Instead of him just replacing his clutch like I did just to burn it out
fast like I did, he learned to replace the nose piece or 'bearing
retainer' cone with the burned out pressure plate.
Mike
"L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
>
> Hi Mike,
> This reminds me of when your throw out bearing had a notch on the
> sleeve and wore the fingers off the plate, the picture you gave us:
> http://www.imagestation.com/picture/...9/fdc454dc.jpg
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
> >
> > You need to measure the mark on the flywheel from the last clutch.
> >
> > What was originally in there has no bearing 20 or more years later in a
> > Jeep.
> >
> > Or get the flywheel turned 'flat' and buy an all new clutch and pressure
> > plate of either size.
> >
> > The pressure plate will also be bigger if the clutch is bigger.
> >
> > I just helped a friend do his and got asked the same so measured... the
> > damn plate was 10.75". Go figure. We went with the 10.5" to be on the
> > safe side....
> >
> > No clue where the last clutch and pressure plate came from. This was an
> > 'imported' 4 speed tranny put into an 82.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
I had 'no' freaking idea that ding in the nose piece of the tranny would
cause that burn out when I did a frame up rebuild on my CJ7!
I did just save another Jeeper the same headache by ID'ing the ding as
the reason his pressure plate got burned out just like mine so that was
a cool thing to learn...
It was -25C when we did the job.....
Instead of him just replacing his clutch like I did just to burn it out
fast like I did, he learned to replace the nose piece or 'bearing
retainer' cone with the burned out pressure plate.
Mike
"L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
>
> Hi Mike,
> This reminds me of when your throw out bearing had a notch on the
> sleeve and wore the fingers off the plate, the picture you gave us:
> http://www.imagestation.com/picture/...9/fdc454dc.jpg
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
> >
> > You need to measure the mark on the flywheel from the last clutch.
> >
> > What was originally in there has no bearing 20 or more years later in a
> > Jeep.
> >
> > Or get the flywheel turned 'flat' and buy an all new clutch and pressure
> > plate of either size.
> >
> > The pressure plate will also be bigger if the clutch is bigger.
> >
> > I just helped a friend do his and got asked the same so measured... the
> > damn plate was 10.75". Go figure. We went with the 10.5" to be on the
> > safe side....
> >
> > No clue where the last clutch and pressure plate came from. This was an
> > 'imported' 4 speed tranny put into an 82.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
02-12-2004, 03:36 PM
#58
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: T18/Dana300 swap update
Live and learn eh...
I had 'no' freaking idea that ding in the nose piece of the tranny would
cause that burn out when I did a frame up rebuild on my CJ7!
I did just save another Jeeper the same headache by ID'ing the ding as
the reason his pressure plate got burned out just like mine so that was
a cool thing to learn...
It was -25C when we did the job.....
Instead of him just replacing his clutch like I did just to burn it out
fast like I did, he learned to replace the nose piece or 'bearing
retainer' cone with the burned out pressure plate.
Mike
"L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
>
> Hi Mike,
> This reminds me of when your throw out bearing had a notch on the
> sleeve and wore the fingers off the plate, the picture you gave us:
> http://www.imagestation.com/picture/...9/fdc454dc.jpg
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
> >
> > You need to measure the mark on the flywheel from the last clutch.
> >
> > What was originally in there has no bearing 20 or more years later in a
> > Jeep.
> >
> > Or get the flywheel turned 'flat' and buy an all new clutch and pressure
> > plate of either size.
> >
> > The pressure plate will also be bigger if the clutch is bigger.
> >
> > I just helped a friend do his and got asked the same so measured... the
> > damn plate was 10.75". Go figure. We went with the 10.5" to be on the
> > safe side....
> >
> > No clue where the last clutch and pressure plate came from. This was an
> > 'imported' 4 speed tranny put into an 82.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
I had 'no' freaking idea that ding in the nose piece of the tranny would
cause that burn out when I did a frame up rebuild on my CJ7!
I did just save another Jeeper the same headache by ID'ing the ding as
the reason his pressure plate got burned out just like mine so that was
a cool thing to learn...
It was -25C when we did the job.....
Instead of him just replacing his clutch like I did just to burn it out
fast like I did, he learned to replace the nose piece or 'bearing
retainer' cone with the burned out pressure plate.
Mike
"L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
>
> Hi Mike,
> This reminds me of when your throw out bearing had a notch on the
> sleeve and wore the fingers off the plate, the picture you gave us:
> http://www.imagestation.com/picture/...9/fdc454dc.jpg
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
> >
> > You need to measure the mark on the flywheel from the last clutch.
> >
> > What was originally in there has no bearing 20 or more years later in a
> > Jeep.
> >
> > Or get the flywheel turned 'flat' and buy an all new clutch and pressure
> > plate of either size.
> >
> > The pressure plate will also be bigger if the clutch is bigger.
> >
> > I just helped a friend do his and got asked the same so measured... the
> > damn plate was 10.75". Go figure. We went with the 10.5" to be on the
> > safe side....
> >
> > No clue where the last clutch and pressure plate came from. This was an
> > 'imported' 4 speed tranny put into an 82.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
02-12-2004, 03:48 PM
#59
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: T18/Dana300 swap update
Yup, that is why I am changing it.
Is there a way you can tell from the flywheel what disc/clutch size it
needs ?
Ron
Mike Romain wrote:
> Did the last clutch work?
>
> Oops, maybe not eh, which is why you are changing it.
>
> A clutch ia like a brake, you have to match the flywheel or brake drum
> to the size of the disk or shoe.
>
> If you go all new parts, it makes no matter, if you mix and match, then
> you have to go with the wear pattern on the flywheel or brake drum.
>
> I have seen a mess of brakes where the drum was 3" and the shoes were
> 2.75", that works.
>
> The other way around doesn't.
>
> 'Totally wrong' from stock doesn't mean it won't work just fine.
>
> Mike
>
> Ron Croonenberg wrote:
>
>>Uhm, the last working clutch I don't have anymore.
>>
>>The clutch I have now might be totally wrong...and the flywqheel was
>>surfaced before I put the last clutch on.
>>
>>Ron
>>
>>Mike Romain wrote:
>>
>>
>>>You need to measure the mark on the flywheel from the last clutch.
>>>
>>>What was originally in there has no bearing 20 or more years later in a
>>>Jeep.
>>>
>>>Or get the flywheel turned 'flat' and buy an all new clutch and pressure
>>>plate of either size.
>>>
>>>The pressure plate will also be bigger if the clutch is bigger.
>>>
>>>I just helped a friend do his and got asked the same so measured... the
>>>damn plate was 10.75". Go figure. We went with the 10.5" to be on the
>>>safe side....
>>>
>>>No clue where the last clutch and pressure plate came from. This was an
>>>'imported' 4 speed tranny put into an 82.
>>>
>>>Mike
>>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>>
>>>Ron Croonenberg wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Ok cool...
>>>>
>>>>I called them, and they have it/them.. but I was asked : "with a
>>>>10.5" or 11" disc ?"
>>>>
>>>>So what is it that originally is in there ?
>>>>
>>>>thanks,
>>>>
>>>>Ron
>>>>
>>>>Robert Bills wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>when I ask the parts store that I want a clutch for that
>>>>>>application, 258 - T150 bellhousing - Borg Warner T18 for a '79 CJ5 then
>>>>>>I should get a clutch that works ... or get the "we don't carry that"
>>>>>>answer, right ?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Ask for a clutch for a '79 CJ-7 with T-150 transmission. Since there were both
>>>>>V-8 and inline 6 engines in '79, you might want to confirm that the clutch part
>>>>>numbers are the same for both engines. My recollection is that they are the
>>>>>same. If you ask for what you actually have (258/T-150 Bellhousing and T-18
>>>>>tranny), the parts guy won't have a clue what you are talking about because
>>>>>there are no such animals in his parts book.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>do you mean the overall height ?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>yes.
>>>>>
>>>>>Robert Bills
>>>>>KG6LMV
>>>>>Orange County CA
>>>>>
>>>>>http://www.outdoorwire.com/4x4/jeep/...p-l/billsr.htm
>>>>>http://www.RobertBills.com
Is there a way you can tell from the flywheel what disc/clutch size it
needs ?
Ron
Mike Romain wrote:
> Did the last clutch work?
>
> Oops, maybe not eh, which is why you are changing it.
>
> A clutch ia like a brake, you have to match the flywheel or brake drum
> to the size of the disk or shoe.
>
> If you go all new parts, it makes no matter, if you mix and match, then
> you have to go with the wear pattern on the flywheel or brake drum.
>
> I have seen a mess of brakes where the drum was 3" and the shoes were
> 2.75", that works.
>
> The other way around doesn't.
>
> 'Totally wrong' from stock doesn't mean it won't work just fine.
>
> Mike
>
> Ron Croonenberg wrote:
>
>>Uhm, the last working clutch I don't have anymore.
>>
>>The clutch I have now might be totally wrong...and the flywqheel was
>>surfaced before I put the last clutch on.
>>
>>Ron
>>
>>Mike Romain wrote:
>>
>>
>>>You need to measure the mark on the flywheel from the last clutch.
>>>
>>>What was originally in there has no bearing 20 or more years later in a
>>>Jeep.
>>>
>>>Or get the flywheel turned 'flat' and buy an all new clutch and pressure
>>>plate of either size.
>>>
>>>The pressure plate will also be bigger if the clutch is bigger.
>>>
>>>I just helped a friend do his and got asked the same so measured... the
>>>damn plate was 10.75". Go figure. We went with the 10.5" to be on the
>>>safe side....
>>>
>>>No clue where the last clutch and pressure plate came from. This was an
>>>'imported' 4 speed tranny put into an 82.
>>>
>>>Mike
>>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>>
>>>Ron Croonenberg wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Ok cool...
>>>>
>>>>I called them, and they have it/them.. but I was asked : "with a
>>>>10.5" or 11" disc ?"
>>>>
>>>>So what is it that originally is in there ?
>>>>
>>>>thanks,
>>>>
>>>>Ron
>>>>
>>>>Robert Bills wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>when I ask the parts store that I want a clutch for that
>>>>>>application, 258 - T150 bellhousing - Borg Warner T18 for a '79 CJ5 then
>>>>>>I should get a clutch that works ... or get the "we don't carry that"
>>>>>>answer, right ?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Ask for a clutch for a '79 CJ-7 with T-150 transmission. Since there were both
>>>>>V-8 and inline 6 engines in '79, you might want to confirm that the clutch part
>>>>>numbers are the same for both engines. My recollection is that they are the
>>>>>same. If you ask for what you actually have (258/T-150 Bellhousing and T-18
>>>>>tranny), the parts guy won't have a clue what you are talking about because
>>>>>there are no such animals in his parts book.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>do you mean the overall height ?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>yes.
>>>>>
>>>>>Robert Bills
>>>>>KG6LMV
>>>>>Orange County CA
>>>>>
>>>>>http://www.outdoorwire.com/4x4/jeep/...p-l/billsr.htm
>>>>>http://www.RobertBills.com
02-12-2004, 03:48 PM
#60
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: T18/Dana300 swap update
Yup, that is why I am changing it.
Is there a way you can tell from the flywheel what disc/clutch size it
needs ?
Ron
Mike Romain wrote:
> Did the last clutch work?
>
> Oops, maybe not eh, which is why you are changing it.
>
> A clutch ia like a brake, you have to match the flywheel or brake drum
> to the size of the disk or shoe.
>
> If you go all new parts, it makes no matter, if you mix and match, then
> you have to go with the wear pattern on the flywheel or brake drum.
>
> I have seen a mess of brakes where the drum was 3" and the shoes were
> 2.75", that works.
>
> The other way around doesn't.
>
> 'Totally wrong' from stock doesn't mean it won't work just fine.
>
> Mike
>
> Ron Croonenberg wrote:
>
>>Uhm, the last working clutch I don't have anymore.
>>
>>The clutch I have now might be totally wrong...and the flywqheel was
>>surfaced before I put the last clutch on.
>>
>>Ron
>>
>>Mike Romain wrote:
>>
>>
>>>You need to measure the mark on the flywheel from the last clutch.
>>>
>>>What was originally in there has no bearing 20 or more years later in a
>>>Jeep.
>>>
>>>Or get the flywheel turned 'flat' and buy an all new clutch and pressure
>>>plate of either size.
>>>
>>>The pressure plate will also be bigger if the clutch is bigger.
>>>
>>>I just helped a friend do his and got asked the same so measured... the
>>>damn plate was 10.75". Go figure. We went with the 10.5" to be on the
>>>safe side....
>>>
>>>No clue where the last clutch and pressure plate came from. This was an
>>>'imported' 4 speed tranny put into an 82.
>>>
>>>Mike
>>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>>
>>>Ron Croonenberg wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Ok cool...
>>>>
>>>>I called them, and they have it/them.. but I was asked : "with a
>>>>10.5" or 11" disc ?"
>>>>
>>>>So what is it that originally is in there ?
>>>>
>>>>thanks,
>>>>
>>>>Ron
>>>>
>>>>Robert Bills wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>when I ask the parts store that I want a clutch for that
>>>>>>application, 258 - T150 bellhousing - Borg Warner T18 for a '79 CJ5 then
>>>>>>I should get a clutch that works ... or get the "we don't carry that"
>>>>>>answer, right ?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Ask for a clutch for a '79 CJ-7 with T-150 transmission. Since there were both
>>>>>V-8 and inline 6 engines in '79, you might want to confirm that the clutch part
>>>>>numbers are the same for both engines. My recollection is that they are the
>>>>>same. If you ask for what you actually have (258/T-150 Bellhousing and T-18
>>>>>tranny), the parts guy won't have a clue what you are talking about because
>>>>>there are no such animals in his parts book.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>do you mean the overall height ?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>yes.
>>>>>
>>>>>Robert Bills
>>>>>KG6LMV
>>>>>Orange County CA
>>>>>
>>>>>http://www.outdoorwire.com/4x4/jeep/...p-l/billsr.htm
>>>>>http://www.RobertBills.com
Is there a way you can tell from the flywheel what disc/clutch size it
needs ?
Ron
Mike Romain wrote:
> Did the last clutch work?
>
> Oops, maybe not eh, which is why you are changing it.
>
> A clutch ia like a brake, you have to match the flywheel or brake drum
> to the size of the disk or shoe.
>
> If you go all new parts, it makes no matter, if you mix and match, then
> you have to go with the wear pattern on the flywheel or brake drum.
>
> I have seen a mess of brakes where the drum was 3" and the shoes were
> 2.75", that works.
>
> The other way around doesn't.
>
> 'Totally wrong' from stock doesn't mean it won't work just fine.
>
> Mike
>
> Ron Croonenberg wrote:
>
>>Uhm, the last working clutch I don't have anymore.
>>
>>The clutch I have now might be totally wrong...and the flywqheel was
>>surfaced before I put the last clutch on.
>>
>>Ron
>>
>>Mike Romain wrote:
>>
>>
>>>You need to measure the mark on the flywheel from the last clutch.
>>>
>>>What was originally in there has no bearing 20 or more years later in a
>>>Jeep.
>>>
>>>Or get the flywheel turned 'flat' and buy an all new clutch and pressure
>>>plate of either size.
>>>
>>>The pressure plate will also be bigger if the clutch is bigger.
>>>
>>>I just helped a friend do his and got asked the same so measured... the
>>>damn plate was 10.75". Go figure. We went with the 10.5" to be on the
>>>safe side....
>>>
>>>No clue where the last clutch and pressure plate came from. This was an
>>>'imported' 4 speed tranny put into an 82.
>>>
>>>Mike
>>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>>
>>>Ron Croonenberg wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Ok cool...
>>>>
>>>>I called them, and they have it/them.. but I was asked : "with a
>>>>10.5" or 11" disc ?"
>>>>
>>>>So what is it that originally is in there ?
>>>>
>>>>thanks,
>>>>
>>>>Ron
>>>>
>>>>Robert Bills wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>when I ask the parts store that I want a clutch for that
>>>>>>application, 258 - T150 bellhousing - Borg Warner T18 for a '79 CJ5 then
>>>>>>I should get a clutch that works ... or get the "we don't carry that"
>>>>>>answer, right ?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Ask for a clutch for a '79 CJ-7 with T-150 transmission. Since there were both
>>>>>V-8 and inline 6 engines in '79, you might want to confirm that the clutch part
>>>>>numbers are the same for both engines. My recollection is that they are the
>>>>>same. If you ask for what you actually have (258/T-150 Bellhousing and T-18
>>>>>tranny), the parts guy won't have a clue what you are talking about because
>>>>>there are no such animals in his parts book.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>do you mean the overall height ?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>yes.
>>>>>
>>>>>Robert Bills
>>>>>KG6LMV
>>>>>Orange County CA
>>>>>
>>>>>http://www.outdoorwire.com/4x4/jeep/...p-l/billsr.htm
>>>>>http://www.RobertBills.com