T18/Dana300 swap update
 

The problem I have with the input shaft of the T18 dragging
is diagnozed.

I went to a tranny shop (a guy that does conversions etc) and let him
take a look at it.

Apparently the pressure plate does release, but according to him it is
very little and when things heat up because of friction there is not
enough space for the clutch disc to spin freely.

According to him I just have the "wrong" clutch for this application an
besides that the clutch (according to him) is way too stiff.

He recommended a "Luk" clutch. it is a high end diafragm clutch. it
should give more clearance and easier to operate too.

does anyone have experience with this kinda clutch ? (or ..*S* what are
you using in your 258 - T18 with T150 bellhousing combination ?


thanks,

Ron

Re: T18/Dana300 swap update
 

>does anyone have experience with this kinda clutch ? (or ..*S* what are
>you using in your 258 - T18 with T150 bellhousing combination ?

Stock jeep clutch for 77-79 with T150 tranny. The clutches for the 1980+ CJs
are "shorter" (dimension from flywheel to pressure plate (I know there is a
technical description for this measurement but I forgot what it is) - hence the
symptoms you describe. Much cheaper than a Luk or Centerforce clutch, and
better pedal feel than with a Centerforce.

How do I know this? I have the 258/T150 bellhousing/T-19 combination. I had
the same problem when I replaced my Centerforce clutch a few years ago (hated
the pedal stiffness offroad) and used the part # for an '83 model year (my
jeep). I called Advance Adapters, described my problem, and asked what clutch
I needed if I didn't want the Centerforce they usually recommend - was told
"any brand clutch" for 77-79 Jeep with T150. Put that in and it has worked
fine since.

Robert Bills
KG6LMV
Orange County CA

http://www.outdoorwire.com/4x4/jeep/...p-l/billsr.htm
http://www.RobertBills.com

Re: T18/Dana300 swap update
 

>does anyone have experience with this kinda clutch ? (or ..*S* what are
>you using in your 258 - T18 with T150 bellhousing combination ?

Stock jeep clutch for 77-79 with T150 tranny. The clutches for the 1980+ CJs
are "shorter" (dimension from flywheel to pressure plate (I know there is a
technical description for this measurement but I forgot what it is) - hence the
symptoms you describe. Much cheaper than a Luk or Centerforce clutch, and
better pedal feel than with a Centerforce.

How do I know this? I have the 258/T150 bellhousing/T-19 combination. I had
the same problem when I replaced my Centerforce clutch a few years ago (hated
the pedal stiffness offroad) and used the part # for an '83 model year (my
jeep). I called Advance Adapters, described my problem, and asked what clutch
I needed if I didn't want the Centerforce they usually recommend - was told
"any brand clutch" for 77-79 Jeep with T150. Put that in and it has worked
fine since.

Robert Bills
KG6LMV
Orange County CA

http://www.outdoorwire.com/4x4/jeep/...p-l/billsr.htm
http://www.RobertBills.com

Re: T18/Dana300 swap update
 

>does anyone have experience with this kinda clutch ? (or ..*S* what are
>you using in your 258 - T18 with T150 bellhousing combination ?

Stock jeep clutch for 77-79 with T150 tranny. The clutches for the 1980+ CJs
are "shorter" (dimension from flywheel to pressure plate (I know there is a
technical description for this measurement but I forgot what it is) - hence the
symptoms you describe. Much cheaper than a Luk or Centerforce clutch, and
better pedal feel than with a Centerforce.

How do I know this? I have the 258/T150 bellhousing/T-19 combination. I had
the same problem when I replaced my Centerforce clutch a few years ago (hated
the pedal stiffness offroad) and used the part # for an '83 model year (my
jeep). I called Advance Adapters, described my problem, and asked what clutch
I needed if I didn't want the Centerforce they usually recommend - was told
"any brand clutch" for 77-79 Jeep with T150. Put that in and it has worked
fine since.

Robert Bills
KG6LMV
Orange County CA

http://www.outdoorwire.com/4x4/jeep/...p-l/billsr.htm
http://www.RobertBills.com

Re: T18/Dana300 swap update
 

I sort of second that.

When I put the T18 in my CJ I went to NAPA and got a clutch for a '79 J20
with a T18. Everything has worked fine.

--James

"Robert Bills" <rdbillsjr@aol.comxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:20040211162225.11422.00002011@mb-m05.aol.com...
> >does anyone have experience with this kinda clutch ? (or ..*S* what are
> >you using in your 258 - T18 with T150 bellhousing combination ?
>
> Stock jeep clutch for 77-79 with T150 tranny. The clutches for the 1980+
CJs
> are "shorter" (dimension from flywheel to pressure plate (I know there is
a
> technical description for this measurement but I forgot what it is) -
hence the
> symptoms you describe. Much cheaper than a Luk or Centerforce clutch, and
> better pedal feel than with a Centerforce.
>
> How do I know this? I have the 258/T150 bellhousing/T-19 combination. I
had
> the same problem when I replaced my Centerforce clutch a few years ago
(hated
> the pedal stiffness offroad) and used the part # for an '83 model year (my
> jeep). I called Advance Adapters, described my problem, and asked what
clutch
> I needed if I didn't want the Centerforce they usually recommend - was
told
> "any brand clutch" for 77-79 Jeep with T150. Put that in and it has
worked
> fine since.
>
> Robert Bills
> KG6LMV
> Orange County CA
>
> http://www.outdoorwire.com/4x4/jeep/...p-l/billsr.htm
> http://www.RobertBills.com

Re: T18/Dana300 swap update
 

I sort of second that.

When I put the T18 in my CJ I went to NAPA and got a clutch for a '79 J20
with a T18. Everything has worked fine.

--James

"Robert Bills" <rdbillsjr@aol.comxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:20040211162225.11422.00002011@mb-m05.aol.com...
> >does anyone have experience with this kinda clutch ? (or ..*S* what are
> >you using in your 258 - T18 with T150 bellhousing combination ?
>
> Stock jeep clutch for 77-79 with T150 tranny. The clutches for the 1980+
CJs
> are "shorter" (dimension from flywheel to pressure plate (I know there is
a
> technical description for this measurement but I forgot what it is) -
hence the
> symptoms you describe. Much cheaper than a Luk or Centerforce clutch, and
> better pedal feel than with a Centerforce.
>
> How do I know this? I have the 258/T150 bellhousing/T-19 combination. I
had
> the same problem when I replaced my Centerforce clutch a few years ago
(hated
> the pedal stiffness offroad) and used the part # for an '83 model year (my
> jeep). I called Advance Adapters, described my problem, and asked what
clutch
> I needed if I didn't want the Centerforce they usually recommend - was
told
> "any brand clutch" for 77-79 Jeep with T150. Put that in and it has
worked
> fine since.
>
> Robert Bills
> KG6LMV
> Orange County CA
>
> http://www.outdoorwire.com/4x4/jeep/...p-l/billsr.htm
> http://www.RobertBills.com

Re: T18/Dana300 swap update
 

I sort of second that.

When I put the T18 in my CJ I went to NAPA and got a clutch for a '79 J20
with a T18. Everything has worked fine.

--James

"Robert Bills" <rdbillsjr@aol.comxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:20040211162225.11422.00002011@mb-m05.aol.com...
> >does anyone have experience with this kinda clutch ? (or ..*S* what are
> >you using in your 258 - T18 with T150 bellhousing combination ?
>
> Stock jeep clutch for 77-79 with T150 tranny. The clutches for the 1980+
CJs
> are "shorter" (dimension from flywheel to pressure plate (I know there is
a
> technical description for this measurement but I forgot what it is) -
hence the
> symptoms you describe. Much cheaper than a Luk or Centerforce clutch, and
> better pedal feel than with a Centerforce.
>
> How do I know this? I have the 258/T150 bellhousing/T-19 combination. I
had
> the same problem when I replaced my Centerforce clutch a few years ago
(hated
> the pedal stiffness offroad) and used the part # for an '83 model year (my
> jeep). I called Advance Adapters, described my problem, and asked what
clutch
> I needed if I didn't want the Centerforce they usually recommend - was
told
> "any brand clutch" for 77-79 Jeep with T150. Put that in and it has
worked
> fine since.
>
> Robert Bills
> KG6LMV
> Orange County CA
>
> http://www.outdoorwire.com/4x4/jeep/...p-l/billsr.htm
> http://www.RobertBills.com

Re: T18/Dana300 swap update
 

I got a hunch you guys don't know what stiffness is, unless you too
have used both hands on your knee to hold the sixties type muscle car at
the lights. I think Ron, has a linkage/fork problem, kind of like Mike
Romain's a while back.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Robert Bills wrote:
>
> Stock jeep clutch for 77-79 with T150 tranny. The clutches for the 1980+ CJs
> are "shorter" (dimension from flywheel to pressure plate (I know there is a
> technical description for this measurement but I forgot what it is) - hence the
> symptoms you describe. Much cheaper than a Luk or Centerforce clutch, and
> better pedal feel than with a Centerforce.
>
> How do I know this? I have the 258/T150 bellhousing/T-19 combination. I had
> the same problem when I replaced my Centerforce clutch a few years ago (hated
> the pedal stiffness offroad) and used the part # for an '83 model year (my
> jeep). I called Advance Adapters, described my problem, and asked what clutch
> I needed if I didn't want the Centerforce they usually recommend - was told
> "any brand clutch" for 77-79 Jeep with T150. Put that in and it has worked
> fine since.
>
> Robert Bills
> KG6LMV
> Orange County CA
>
> http://www.outdoorwire.com/4x4/jeep/...p-l/billsr.htm
> http://www.RobertBills.com

Re: T18/Dana300 swap update
 

I got a hunch you guys don't know what stiffness is, unless you too
have used both hands on your knee to hold the sixties type muscle car at
the lights. I think Ron, has a linkage/fork problem, kind of like Mike
Romain's a while back.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Robert Bills wrote:
>
> Stock jeep clutch for 77-79 with T150 tranny. The clutches for the 1980+ CJs
> are "shorter" (dimension from flywheel to pressure plate (I know there is a
> technical description for this measurement but I forgot what it is) - hence the
> symptoms you describe. Much cheaper than a Luk or Centerforce clutch, and
> better pedal feel than with a Centerforce.
>
> How do I know this? I have the 258/T150 bellhousing/T-19 combination. I had
> the same problem when I replaced my Centerforce clutch a few years ago (hated
> the pedal stiffness offroad) and used the part # for an '83 model year (my
> jeep). I called Advance Adapters, described my problem, and asked what clutch
> I needed if I didn't want the Centerforce they usually recommend - was told
> "any brand clutch" for 77-79 Jeep with T150. Put that in and it has worked
> fine since.
>
> Robert Bills
> KG6LMV
> Orange County CA
>
> http://www.outdoorwire.com/4x4/jeep/...p-l/billsr.htm
> http://www.RobertBills.com

Re: T18/Dana300 swap update
 

I got a hunch you guys don't know what stiffness is, unless you too
have used both hands on your knee to hold the sixties type muscle car at
the lights. I think Ron, has a linkage/fork problem, kind of like Mike
Romain's a while back.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Robert Bills wrote:
>
> Stock jeep clutch for 77-79 with T150 tranny. The clutches for the 1980+ CJs
> are "shorter" (dimension from flywheel to pressure plate (I know there is a
> technical description for this measurement but I forgot what it is) - hence the
> symptoms you describe. Much cheaper than a Luk or Centerforce clutch, and
> better pedal feel than with a Centerforce.
>
> How do I know this? I have the 258/T150 bellhousing/T-19 combination. I had
> the same problem when I replaced my Centerforce clutch a few years ago (hated
> the pedal stiffness offroad) and used the part # for an '83 model year (my
> jeep). I called Advance Adapters, described my problem, and asked what clutch
> I needed if I didn't want the Centerforce they usually recommend - was told
> "any brand clutch" for 77-79 Jeep with T150. Put that in and it has worked
> fine since.
>
> Robert Bills
> KG6LMV
> Orange County CA
>
> http://www.outdoorwire.com/4x4/jeep/...p-l/billsr.htm
> http://www.RobertBills.com