Geek!



On Fri, 5 Sep 2003 21:32:15 -0400, "TJim" <jim@ranlet.nospam.com> wrote:

>>Fortran IV, Pascal, Cobol, BASIC... Old stuff... :)
>>
>>"Big Daddy" <DontBother@nowhere.com> wrote in message
>>news:3f59171d$0$52134$a0465688@nnrp.fuse.net.. .
>>> You can tell you must be a BASIC and not a C, C++, or Java programmer or
>>the
>>> syntax would be Superwinch != junk.
>>>
>>>
>>

 

Whoops! I meant...

Geek! =)



On Fri, 05 Sep 2003 18:35:08 -0700, jbjeep <jbjeep@saw.net> wrote:

>>Geek!
>>
>>
>>
>>On Fri, 5 Sep 2003 21:32:15 -0400, "TJim" <jim@ranlet.nospam.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>Fortran IV, Pascal, Cobol, BASIC... Old stuff... :)
>>>>
>>>>"Big Daddy" <DontBother@nowhere.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:3f59171d$0$52134$a0465688@nnrp.fuse.net.. .
>>>>> You can tell you must be a BASIC and not a C, C++, or Java programmer or
>>>>the
>>>>> syntax would be Superwinch != junk.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>

 

Whoops! I meant...

Geek! =)



On Fri, 05 Sep 2003 18:35:08 -0700, jbjeep <jbjeep@saw.net> wrote:

>>Geek!
>>
>>
>>
>>On Fri, 5 Sep 2003 21:32:15 -0400, "TJim" <jim@ranlet.nospam.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>Fortran IV, Pascal, Cobol, BASIC... Old stuff... :)
>>>>
>>>>"Big Daddy" <DontBother@nowhere.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:3f59171d$0$52134$a0465688@nnrp.fuse.net.. .
>>>>> You can tell you must be a BASIC and not a C, C++, or Java programmer or
>>>>the
>>>>> syntax would be Superwinch != junk.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>

 

LOL Joe, it depends not so much on whether or not you're married, but who
you're married to!! ;)

Chris

"Joe" <jo_ratner@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:3f5883b2@shknews01...
> You must not be married!
>
> (do your own) Wash
> Iron (it yourself)
> ---- (off if you think I'M doing your wash and ironing)
> (let's) Eat (out)
>
>
>
> "c" <c@me.org> wrote in message
> news:gWT5b.36137$hf1.13651@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> >
> > Which reminds me, the word "wife" is actually and acronym for:
> >
> > Wash
> > Iron
> > ----
> > Etc.
> >
> > Chris
> >
> > "TJim" <jim@ranlet.nospam.com> wrote in message
> > news:HtecnR9RDIlqF8qiU-KYvg@comcast.com...
> > > Well, yes. And it's what you tell your wife to do with your shirts...
> > > "Here, ironies!"
> > >
> > > "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> > > news:3lL5b.578$KQ1.7303393@news-text.cableinet.net...
> > > > Irony is a description of metal to you guys isn't it :-)
> > > >
> > > > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > > > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
> > > >
> > > > "Lon Stowell" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
> > > > news:RfL5b.264427$cF.83268@rwcrnsc53...
> > > > : Yeah, it kinda pithed me off too....
> > > > :
> > > > : Approximately 9/4/03 10:21, Dave Milne uttered for posterity:
> > > > :
> > > > : > a pithy riposte indeed !
> > > > : >
> > > > : > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > > > : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
> > > > : >
> > > > : > "Joshua Nelson" <spam_box@ev1.net> wrote in message
> > > > : > news:b102b6e4.0309040600.1463fc7@posting.google.co m...
> > > > : > : "Jeepaholic" <jeepahoilcs@earthlink.net> wrote:
> > > > : > : >
> > > > : > : > Idiot.
> > > > : > : >
> > > > : > :
> > > > : > : I'm rubber and you're glue. Whatever you say bounces off me
and
> > > > sticks to
> > > > : > you.
> > > > : >
> > > > : >
> > > > :
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

 

LOL Joe, it depends not so much on whether or not you're married, but who
you're married to!! ;)

Chris

"Joe" <jo_ratner@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:3f5883b2@shknews01...
> You must not be married!
>
> (do your own) Wash
> Iron (it yourself)
> ---- (off if you think I'M doing your wash and ironing)
> (let's) Eat (out)
>
>
>
> "c" <c@me.org> wrote in message
> news:gWT5b.36137$hf1.13651@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> >
> > Which reminds me, the word "wife" is actually and acronym for:
> >
> > Wash
> > Iron
> > ----
> > Etc.
> >
> > Chris
> >
> > "TJim" <jim@ranlet.nospam.com> wrote in message
> > news:HtecnR9RDIlqF8qiU-KYvg@comcast.com...
> > > Well, yes. And it's what you tell your wife to do with your shirts...
> > > "Here, ironies!"
> > >
> > > "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> > > news:3lL5b.578$KQ1.7303393@news-text.cableinet.net...
> > > > Irony is a description of metal to you guys isn't it :-)
> > > >
> > > > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > > > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
> > > >
> > > > "Lon Stowell" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
> > > > news:RfL5b.264427$cF.83268@rwcrnsc53...
> > > > : Yeah, it kinda pithed me off too....
> > > > :
> > > > : Approximately 9/4/03 10:21, Dave Milne uttered for posterity:
> > > > :
> > > > : > a pithy riposte indeed !
> > > > : >
> > > > : > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > > > : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
> > > > : >
> > > > : > "Joshua Nelson" <spam_box@ev1.net> wrote in message
> > > > : > news:b102b6e4.0309040600.1463fc7@posting.google.co m...
> > > > : > : "Jeepaholic" <jeepahoilcs@earthlink.net> wrote:
> > > > : > : >
> > > > : > : > Idiot.
> > > > : > : >
> > > > : > :
> > > > : > : I'm rubber and you're glue. Whatever you say bounces off me
and
> > > > sticks to
> > > > : > you.
> > > > : >
> > > > : >
> > > > :
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

 

Dave Milne wrote:

> You can tell you aren't a C++ or Java programmer or you would have written
>
> Superwinch.isJunk()

Yes, you're correct, but I wasn't going that far into it. I used to be an
entry level C++ programmer before the dot-com crash. I worked in the
Borland C++ Builder environment.

 

Dave Milne wrote:

> You can tell you aren't a C++ or Java programmer or you would have written
>
> Superwinch.isJunk()

Yes, you're correct, but I wasn't going that far into it. I used to be an
entry level C++ programmer before the dot-com crash. I worked in the
Borland C++ Builder environment.

 

careful with that strap. they are no where near the strength of a tree
saver, and all the energy that you are storing up in 20+ feet of nylon web
is enough to do considerable damage... not to mention the ****** block/cable
recoiling into your jeep/face/body when (and it will happen) the strap
breaks.

"jbjeep" <jbjeep@saw.net> wrote in message
news:4uqflvks9vv2gosj8691jisr3r50onbd6o@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 4 Sep 2003 10:42:13 -0700, "Jeff Strickland" <beerman@yahoo.com>
wrote:
>
> >>A ****** block is nothing more than a pulley with a tree bark-friendly
strap
> >>on it. The winch cable goes from the vehicle to the pulley and back to
the
> >>vehicle. You could put a block on the vehilce as well, and run the winch
> >>cable through that pulley and anchor it back on the tree. The more
pullies
> >>you introduce to the system, the less pulling force is needed to move
the
> >>load, but the slower the load will move when the force is applied. Of
> >>course, the anchor point must be strong enough to hold the load because
even
> >>though we might only need 500 pounds of pulling force to pull 3000
pounds,
> >>the anchor still has to be able to support those 3000 pounds.
> >>
> >>If you have a sturdy tree in your yard, you can try using some pullies
and
> >>rope to lift a few cinder blocks. You will notice that with a single
pulley,
> >>you lift the full weight of the blocks. This is the same as connecting
your
> >>winch directly to a tree. If you tie the rope to the pulley, route it
>
> Clarification on what Jeff said....
> Never connect the winch directly to a tree. Use a Tree Saver - which is
the short
> strap that you will find in your winch kit (if you bought one). You put
it around
> the tree and use a shackle to attach the two ends together and to attach
the winch
> hook to the tree saver. Or use the shackle to attach the pulley to the
tree saver
> and run the winch cable thru that.
>
> If you run a winch cable around a tree it will cut thru the bark and into
the
> cambrium (sp) layer and it will effectively girdle the tree and eventually
kill it.
> It also gives bugs and disease an easy way to get into the heart of the
tree too.
>
> In a pinch you can use a 20-30 foot recovery strap as a tree saver by
wrapping it
> around the tree a couple of times and then attaching the winch hook.
>
> >>through a pulley on the cinder blocks, through the pulley on the tree,
then
> >>pull on the rope, the load is easier to lift, but it lifts slower. As
you
> >>add more and more pullies, it becomes easier and easier to lift the
load,
> >>but the load move less and less with each pull. There is a way to
calculate
> >>the force needed and the distance the load will move, but I don't think
you
> >>are really interested in this level of detail, and I don't know the
> >>calculation, but I could probably figure it out. The fact that I can
find
> >>that the load becomes easier to move is all I really need to know.
> >>
> >>Shackles are merely temporary anchor points that you can affix to stuff.
> >>Maybe you need to put a shackle on a tree, or chain it to a rock, or
mount
> >>it on the vehicle itself.
> >>
> >>What you need to know is something I posted earlier. You need a winch
> >>capacity that is a minimum of double the weight of your Jeep. Everybody
that
> >>has a winch on thier Jeep has one that is a minimum of 8000 pound
capacity.
> >>There is a pretty even distribution of 8000 and 9000 pound winches, a
few
> >>10000 pounders and some 12500 pounders. The larger size winches are
going to
> >>be found on Excursions, Suburbans, Grand Cherokees, and those sorts of
> >>vehicles. A few TJs, YJs and CJs will have 10000 pound winches, but the
vast
> >>majority of Jeeps have either a 9000 or 8000 pound winch.The 9000 pound
> >>models will generally have a faster line speed, and the owners feel this
is
> >>a worthy feature to spend a few extra dollars on. Also, the winch
capacity
> >>is when there is only one wrap of cable on the spool, by the time the
cable
> >>is fully wound on the spool, the capacity drops significantly, so if you
> >>have a 9000 pound winch and the tree you are using as an anchor is only
10
> >>or 15 feet away, the real capacity of your winch is closer to 5000
pounds,
> >>and your TJ weighs 3500 pounds, and is stuck in 1600 pounds of muck, so
you
> >>are over stressing your equipment by 100 pounds. You could need to use a
> >>****** block for no other reason than to wind out 30 feet of cable so
the
> >>load is not over the winch capacity because there are so many wraps on
the
> >>spool.
> >>
>

 

careful with that strap. they are no where near the strength of a tree
saver, and all the energy that you are storing up in 20+ feet of nylon web
is enough to do considerable damage... not to mention the ****** block/cable
recoiling into your jeep/face/body when (and it will happen) the strap
breaks.

"jbjeep" <jbjeep@saw.net> wrote in message
news:4uqflvks9vv2gosj8691jisr3r50onbd6o@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 4 Sep 2003 10:42:13 -0700, "Jeff Strickland" <beerman@yahoo.com>
wrote:
>
> >>A ****** block is nothing more than a pulley with a tree bark-friendly
strap
> >>on it. The winch cable goes from the vehicle to the pulley and back to
the
> >>vehicle. You could put a block on the vehilce as well, and run the winch
> >>cable through that pulley and anchor it back on the tree. The more
pullies
> >>you introduce to the system, the less pulling force is needed to move
the
> >>load, but the slower the load will move when the force is applied. Of
> >>course, the anchor point must be strong enough to hold the load because
even
> >>though we might only need 500 pounds of pulling force to pull 3000
pounds,
> >>the anchor still has to be able to support those 3000 pounds.
> >>
> >>If you have a sturdy tree in your yard, you can try using some pullies
and
> >>rope to lift a few cinder blocks. You will notice that with a single
pulley,
> >>you lift the full weight of the blocks. This is the same as connecting
your
> >>winch directly to a tree. If you tie the rope to the pulley, route it
>
> Clarification on what Jeff said....
> Never connect the winch directly to a tree. Use a Tree Saver - which is
the short
> strap that you will find in your winch kit (if you bought one). You put
it around
> the tree and use a shackle to attach the two ends together and to attach
the winch
> hook to the tree saver. Or use the shackle to attach the pulley to the
tree saver
> and run the winch cable thru that.
>
> If you run a winch cable around a tree it will cut thru the bark and into
the
> cambrium (sp) layer and it will effectively girdle the tree and eventually
kill it.
> It also gives bugs and disease an easy way to get into the heart of the
tree too.
>
> In a pinch you can use a 20-30 foot recovery strap as a tree saver by
wrapping it
> around the tree a couple of times and then attaching the winch hook.
>
> >>through a pulley on the cinder blocks, through the pulley on the tree,
then
> >>pull on the rope, the load is easier to lift, but it lifts slower. As
you
> >>add more and more pullies, it becomes easier and easier to lift the
load,
> >>but the load move less and less with each pull. There is a way to
calculate
> >>the force needed and the distance the load will move, but I don't think
you
> >>are really interested in this level of detail, and I don't know the
> >>calculation, but I could probably figure it out. The fact that I can
find
> >>that the load becomes easier to move is all I really need to know.
> >>
> >>Shackles are merely temporary anchor points that you can affix to stuff.
> >>Maybe you need to put a shackle on a tree, or chain it to a rock, or
mount
> >>it on the vehicle itself.
> >>
> >>What you need to know is something I posted earlier. You need a winch
> >>capacity that is a minimum of double the weight of your Jeep. Everybody
that
> >>has a winch on thier Jeep has one that is a minimum of 8000 pound
capacity.
> >>There is a pretty even distribution of 8000 and 9000 pound winches, a
few
> >>10000 pounders and some 12500 pounders. The larger size winches are
going to
> >>be found on Excursions, Suburbans, Grand Cherokees, and those sorts of
> >>vehicles. A few TJs, YJs and CJs will have 10000 pound winches, but the
vast
> >>majority of Jeeps have either a 9000 or 8000 pound winch.The 9000 pound
> >>models will generally have a faster line speed, and the owners feel this
is
> >>a worthy feature to spend a few extra dollars on. Also, the winch
capacity
> >>is when there is only one wrap of cable on the spool, by the time the
cable
> >>is fully wound on the spool, the capacity drops significantly, so if you
> >>have a 9000 pound winch and the tree you are using as an anchor is only
10
> >>or 15 feet away, the real capacity of your winch is closer to 5000
pounds,
> >>and your TJ weighs 3500 pounds, and is stuck in 1600 pounds of muck, so
you
> >>are over stressing your equipment by 100 pounds. You could need to use a
> >>****** block for no other reason than to wind out 30 feet of cable so
the
> >>load is not over the winch capacity because there are so many wraps on
the
> >>spool.
> >>
>

 

you have entirely too much time on your hands.

"Big Daddy" <DontBother@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:3f59d580$0$52140$a0465688@nnrp.fuse.net...
> Dave Milne wrote:
>
> > You can tell you aren't a C++ or Java programmer or you would have
written
> >
> > Superwinch.isJunk()
>
> Yes, you're correct, but I wasn't going that far into it. I used to be an
> entry level C++ programmer before the dot-com crash. I worked in the
> Borland C++ Builder environment.