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Re: Power steering conversion
The steering boxes are made my Saginaw I would say Chrysler, Ford
and GM would all adapt to it, rather than the other way around.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
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Drink wrote:
>
> The only thing I need to figure out right now is what's the common link
> between GM pump and the steering box; flared end hose or O-ring. Shouldn't
> be too hard to get down.
> o_o_o_o
> Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:40895B34.C0CF8BCE@sympatico.ca...
> > I think the pump is the same one. It sure looks the same.... The pump
> > just has one hydraulic line, the other is just low pressure with hose
> > clamps.
> >
> > I guess I would likely take the pump with me to the store to make sure
> > before buying the line. Even if you went custom, it isn't a part that
> > wears out often. My 86 one is still hanging in there....
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Drink wrote:
> > >
> > > I just talked with George from George's Jeeps in Mississippi (I
> think).
> > > Really good guy and very patient. Never had a problem getting through
> and
> > > recommend him if you can't find a part.
> > > Anyway, he said that the GM steering box I have has three mounting
> bolts
> > > (he's right) and the Jeep box has four so it won't work. Gotta go check
> to
> > > make sure. It all sounds right. I'll just have to break down (strange
> > > choice of words:) and get the Jeep box from probably AGR. Then, when I
> have
> > > the GM small block in place, I get the small block brackets and power
> > > steering pump/reservoir. That should do just fine to power the steering
> > > gear. The only thing I can think of are the hydraulic lines. Anybody
> got
> > > any advice to make sure the hose ends are compatible? If worse comes to
> > > worst, I can get a pair made custom here locally but would rather be
> able to
> > > get an original set without having to custom make every time.
> > > o_o_o_o
> > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > news:4085AF33.B38D4A84@sympatico.ca...
> > > > The steering column is the part that is inside the Jeep cab. This is
> a
> > > > Saganaw unit like the one the GM's use.
> > > >
> > > > The steering shaft is it's own part, same for the box. Likely Jeep
> > > > specific for those.
> > > >
> > > > So you 'can' still have tilt steering...
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > > >
> > > > Drink wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Just got off the line with 4WDHardware and they told me the
> following.
> > > > > The only difference between the power/manual steering shaft is
> that
> > > the
> > > > > input shaft to the box is 3/4in for the manual box and 13/16in for
> the
> > > > > powered box. Length is identical.
> > > > > The GM box I have has a much smaller input shaft with a peg coming
> out
> > > the
> > > > > end of the shaft so the Jeep shaft won't slip on regardless of shaft
> > > > > diameter. It looks as though I'll have to break down and bite the
> > > bullet to
> > > > > buy a new Jeep box. I really wanted to go with an AGR box and still
> > > might;
> > > > > having to put off the engine/tranny swap til I get a little more
> money.
> > > > > Anybody heard this about the shaft diameter for GM vice Jeep?
> Having
> > > that
> > > > > tilt wheel would've been nice.
> > > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > > > "Drink" <drink@gnt.net> wrote in message
> > > > > news:c63ohh$b5e$1@news.utelfla.com...
> > > > > > Good idea, Mike. Didn't even consider a simple hose clamp since
> > > there's
> > > > > > no pressure on the fluid. It's too simple. The original box is
> so
> > > shot
> > > > > > that a lightning fast lane change is where I'm at already. The
> only
> > > > > > difference is that there's so much play that it does it on it's
> own:(
> > > > > This
> > > > > > is just a temporary fix in the interim 'til I can get the other
> > > drivetrain
> > > > > > in and get the right pump, reservoir, etc. Is the steering gonna
> be
> > > > > really
> > > > > > hard like when you kill the engine with power steering or is that
> just
> > > the
> > > > > > drag of a non-turning pump?
> > > > > > The Saginaw box appears identical to mine but I think it's just
> a
> > > tad
> > > > > bit
> > > > > > extended to accommodate the hoses. I have both steering columns
> from
> > > the
> > > > > > Caprice and the Jeep and bought a power steering shaft to boot.
> If I
> > > can,
> > > > > > I'll use the tilt wheel column from the Caprice and the power
> steering
> > > > > shaft
> > > > > > for the Jeep to connect to the gear box. Once the drivetrain's
> > > swapped
> > > > > and
> > > > > > I know what brackets and pump I need, I'll finish by changing the
> > > steering
> > > > >
> > > > > > gear box. Maybe even a new AGR box.
> > > > > > How's this all sound? Am I tracking right? Am I missing
> something?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > >
> > > > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > > > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > > > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:40855F2F.F0DFFE7E@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > > > What Bill is saying makes sense about mixing 'car' boxes and
> Jeep
> > > boxes.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Someone else here has the same issue, the 'car' box is way too
> fast.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I really don't know what you should expect mixing them up. The
> > > other
> > > > > > > poster sure doesn't like it. I now know what he was complaining
> > > about.
> > > > > > > I was thinking he has a camber issue because his steering won't
> > > track
> > > > > > > back straight after a turn. Or too short of a pinion arm, but
> he
> > > > > > > checked and it is the same.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Now it makes more sense, the gear ratio is too tight to allow it
> to
> > > > > > > track back straight by itself, it has to be pulled back. He was
> > > > > > > grumbling something about ditches and front lawns and lane
> changes
> > > > > > > faster than you can blink.....
> > > > > > > I would run fluid in the power box if you do decide to use it,
> even
> > > if
> > > > > > > the power isn't there. I would just hook the output to the
> input
> > > with a
> > > > > > > hose clamp.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I don't know what column you are playing with. The Saganaw unit
> > > that
> > > > > > > the 80's GM have is exactly the same as the one in my 86 CJ7.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Drink wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Mike,
> > > > > > > > I see that you're up this morning. Feel free to chime in
> with
> > > your
> > > > > > > > thoughts since the question's for anybody with insight.
> > > > > > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > > > > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > > > > > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > > > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > > > > > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > > > > > > "Drink" <drink@gnt.net> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > news:c63ib0$6dp$1@news.utelfla.com...
> > > > > > > > > Bill,
> > > > > > > > > My manual steering box is shot and I have to replace it
> > > urgently.
> > > > > > I'm
> > > > > > > > > converting to a small block Chevy and NV4500 really soon and
> > > will
> > > > > > convert
> > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > power steering but don't have the pump/brackets/hoses yet.
> The
> > > > > > Caprice's
> > > > > > > > > steering box appears the same, only a bit longer since it's
> > > power
> > > > > > > > steering.
> > > > > > > > > I'll get a correct box but this is all I have right now.
> > > > > > > > > Can I put in the Caprice's power steering box for now and
> run
> > > it
> > > > > > like a
> > > > > > > > > manual box without hurting the box or struggling without the
> > > pump's
> > > > > > > > assist?
> > > > > > > > > Any ideas on how to bypass the pump & reservoir? (I have a
> 2"
> > > body
> > > > > > lift
> > > > > > > > if
> > > > > > > > > that makes a difference.)
> > > > > > > > > I know steering will by fast and touchy but the manual box
> is
> > > just
> > > > > > > > unsafe.
> > > > > > > > > It's adjusted to the point that the nut barely has a thread
> to
> > > hang
> > > > > on
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > and still has about 1/2 a full turn on the steering wheel of
> > > play.
> > > > > > Deep
> > > > > > > > > wheel ruts on the road make me fishtail as I steer back and
> > > forth to
> > > > > > keep
> > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > under control so I stay under 45mph. When I pulled out of a
> > > parking
> > > > > > lot
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > other day, something felt like it wanted to bind in the
> gear.
> > > I'm
> > > > > > > > literally
> > > > > > > > > on the verge of a "bind".
> > > > > > > > > I really appreciate any advice I can get 'cause it's my
> daily
> > > > > driver
> > > > > > 4
> > > > > > > > > miles to work.
> > > > > > > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > > > > > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > > > > > > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > > > > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > > > > > > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > > > > > > > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in
> message
> > > > > > > > > news:40819860.D2EF8586@***.net...
> > > > > > > > > > Hi Jim,
> > > > > > > > > > There's a zillion old Jeeps running around with that
> > > setup.
> > > > > But
> > > > > > I'd
> > > > > > > > > > really try to keep it with the stock sized box, shafts and
> > > column,
> > > > > > it'll
> > > > > > > > > > probably save you time improvising, and a whole lot easier
> for
> > > the
> > > > > > next
> > > > > > > > > > owner. There's also a big difference between passenger and
> > > Jeep
> > > > > > steering
> > > > > > > > > > ratios, three turns lock to lock is about twice as fast a
> > > Jeep.
> > > > > > > > > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > > > > > > > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Drink wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I have an old tilt steering column (column shift),
> shaft
> > > and
> > > > > > power
> > > > > > > > > > > steering gear box from a Chevy caprice (model unknown
> but it
> > > > > > looked
> > > > > > > > late
> > > > > > > > > > > 80's to very early 90's). I want to convert to power
> > > steering
> > > > > and
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > tilt
> > > > > > > > > > > would nice. I bought a Jeep power steering shaft.
> > > > > > > > > > > Overall, the column is longer than my Jeep and the
> shaft
> > > is
> > > > > much
> > > > > > > > > shorter
> > > > > > > > > > > than my stock. Does anybody know if I can use the Chevy
> > > tilt
> > > > > > column
> > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > gear box in the Jeep if I have a new power steering
> shaft?
> > > > > > > > > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > > > > > > > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > > > > > > > > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > > > > > > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > > > > > > > > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > > > > > > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > > > > news:407D7D8D.9F1F0A82@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > > > > > > > > GM uses the same Saganaw steering column so you have a
> > > large
> > > > > > choice
> > > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > > > colors, tilt, etc. at the wreckers..
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Daudi wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Ah. Yes. My wrangler is a 1987. The cherokee being
> > > parted
> > > > > out
> > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > early
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 90's I believe. I actually haven't asked because the
> > > idea
> > > > > just
> > > > > > > > > recently
> > > > > > > > > > > > > occured to me.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Wrangler's use GM steering columns?
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike Romain wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > You need to give us some years and makes.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Apparently they changed the column from the
> Saganaw
> > > unit
> > > > > > every
> > > > > > > > GM
> > > > > > > > > van,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Camaro, Chevette and pickup uses in the mid 90's
> to
> > > > > > something
> > > > > > > > > else.
> > > > > > > > > > > One
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > person that doesn't usually have accurate info
> says it
> > > was
> > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > 94,
> > > > > > > > > but
> > > > > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > would suspect the change was with the TJ, not in
> the
> > > > > middle
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > production run of the YJ's.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > The GM units are a fast easy swap. A couple bolts
> > > under
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > dash,
> > > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > couple at the firewall and one spline bolt outside
> the
> > > > > > firewall.
> > > > > > > > > You
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > pull and out it comes.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to
> tail
> > > in
> > > > > > '00
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Daudi wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>The adjustable steering column in my wrangler is
> very
> > > > > loose;
> > > > > > > > > sloppy
> > > > > > > > > > > down
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>in the pivot, the joint. I am worried that it may
> come
> > > > > apart
> > > > > > > > some
> > > > > > > > > day
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>when driving.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>I've had the steering wheel come off a car when
> > > driving
> > > > > > (long,
> > > > > > > > > long
> > > > > > > > > > > ago
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>when we bought cars for $50) but that was easy to
> put
> > > back
> > > > > > on. A
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>separated U-joint down inside the steering column
> > > seems
> > > > > like
> > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > would
> > > > > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>more difficult to arrange.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>I can find a steering column from a parting out
> > > cherokee.
> > > > > > Are
> > > > > > > > they
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>interchangable?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
and GM would all adapt to it, rather than the other way around.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
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Drink wrote:
>
> The only thing I need to figure out right now is what's the common link
> between GM pump and the steering box; flared end hose or O-ring. Shouldn't
> be too hard to get down.
> o_o_o_o
> Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:40895B34.C0CF8BCE@sympatico.ca...
> > I think the pump is the same one. It sure looks the same.... The pump
> > just has one hydraulic line, the other is just low pressure with hose
> > clamps.
> >
> > I guess I would likely take the pump with me to the store to make sure
> > before buying the line. Even if you went custom, it isn't a part that
> > wears out often. My 86 one is still hanging in there....
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Drink wrote:
> > >
> > > I just talked with George from George's Jeeps in Mississippi (I
> think).
> > > Really good guy and very patient. Never had a problem getting through
> and
> > > recommend him if you can't find a part.
> > > Anyway, he said that the GM steering box I have has three mounting
> bolts
> > > (he's right) and the Jeep box has four so it won't work. Gotta go check
> to
> > > make sure. It all sounds right. I'll just have to break down (strange
> > > choice of words:) and get the Jeep box from probably AGR. Then, when I
> have
> > > the GM small block in place, I get the small block brackets and power
> > > steering pump/reservoir. That should do just fine to power the steering
> > > gear. The only thing I can think of are the hydraulic lines. Anybody
> got
> > > any advice to make sure the hose ends are compatible? If worse comes to
> > > worst, I can get a pair made custom here locally but would rather be
> able to
> > > get an original set without having to custom make every time.
> > > o_o_o_o
> > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > news:4085AF33.B38D4A84@sympatico.ca...
> > > > The steering column is the part that is inside the Jeep cab. This is
> a
> > > > Saganaw unit like the one the GM's use.
> > > >
> > > > The steering shaft is it's own part, same for the box. Likely Jeep
> > > > specific for those.
> > > >
> > > > So you 'can' still have tilt steering...
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > > >
> > > > Drink wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Just got off the line with 4WDHardware and they told me the
> following.
> > > > > The only difference between the power/manual steering shaft is
> that
> > > the
> > > > > input shaft to the box is 3/4in for the manual box and 13/16in for
> the
> > > > > powered box. Length is identical.
> > > > > The GM box I have has a much smaller input shaft with a peg coming
> out
> > > the
> > > > > end of the shaft so the Jeep shaft won't slip on regardless of shaft
> > > > > diameter. It looks as though I'll have to break down and bite the
> > > bullet to
> > > > > buy a new Jeep box. I really wanted to go with an AGR box and still
> > > might;
> > > > > having to put off the engine/tranny swap til I get a little more
> money.
> > > > > Anybody heard this about the shaft diameter for GM vice Jeep?
> Having
> > > that
> > > > > tilt wheel would've been nice.
> > > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > > > "Drink" <drink@gnt.net> wrote in message
> > > > > news:c63ohh$b5e$1@news.utelfla.com...
> > > > > > Good idea, Mike. Didn't even consider a simple hose clamp since
> > > there's
> > > > > > no pressure on the fluid. It's too simple. The original box is
> so
> > > shot
> > > > > > that a lightning fast lane change is where I'm at already. The
> only
> > > > > > difference is that there's so much play that it does it on it's
> own:(
> > > > > This
> > > > > > is just a temporary fix in the interim 'til I can get the other
> > > drivetrain
> > > > > > in and get the right pump, reservoir, etc. Is the steering gonna
> be
> > > > > really
> > > > > > hard like when you kill the engine with power steering or is that
> just
> > > the
> > > > > > drag of a non-turning pump?
> > > > > > The Saginaw box appears identical to mine but I think it's just
> a
> > > tad
> > > > > bit
> > > > > > extended to accommodate the hoses. I have both steering columns
> from
> > > the
> > > > > > Caprice and the Jeep and bought a power steering shaft to boot.
> If I
> > > can,
> > > > > > I'll use the tilt wheel column from the Caprice and the power
> steering
> > > > > shaft
> > > > > > for the Jeep to connect to the gear box. Once the drivetrain's
> > > swapped
> > > > > and
> > > > > > I know what brackets and pump I need, I'll finish by changing the
> > > steering
> > > > >
> > > > > > gear box. Maybe even a new AGR box.
> > > > > > How's this all sound? Am I tracking right? Am I missing
> something?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > >
> > > > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > > > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > > > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:40855F2F.F0DFFE7E@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > > > What Bill is saying makes sense about mixing 'car' boxes and
> Jeep
> > > boxes.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Someone else here has the same issue, the 'car' box is way too
> fast.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I really don't know what you should expect mixing them up. The
> > > other
> > > > > > > poster sure doesn't like it. I now know what he was complaining
> > > about.
> > > > > > > I was thinking he has a camber issue because his steering won't
> > > track
> > > > > > > back straight after a turn. Or too short of a pinion arm, but
> he
> > > > > > > checked and it is the same.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Now it makes more sense, the gear ratio is too tight to allow it
> to
> > > > > > > track back straight by itself, it has to be pulled back. He was
> > > > > > > grumbling something about ditches and front lawns and lane
> changes
> > > > > > > faster than you can blink.....
> > > > > > > I would run fluid in the power box if you do decide to use it,
> even
> > > if
> > > > > > > the power isn't there. I would just hook the output to the
> input
> > > with a
> > > > > > > hose clamp.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I don't know what column you are playing with. The Saganaw unit
> > > that
> > > > > > > the 80's GM have is exactly the same as the one in my 86 CJ7.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Drink wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Mike,
> > > > > > > > I see that you're up this morning. Feel free to chime in
> with
> > > your
> > > > > > > > thoughts since the question's for anybody with insight.
> > > > > > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > > > > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > > > > > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > > > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > > > > > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > > > > > > "Drink" <drink@gnt.net> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > news:c63ib0$6dp$1@news.utelfla.com...
> > > > > > > > > Bill,
> > > > > > > > > My manual steering box is shot and I have to replace it
> > > urgently.
> > > > > > I'm
> > > > > > > > > converting to a small block Chevy and NV4500 really soon and
> > > will
> > > > > > convert
> > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > power steering but don't have the pump/brackets/hoses yet.
> The
> > > > > > Caprice's
> > > > > > > > > steering box appears the same, only a bit longer since it's
> > > power
> > > > > > > > steering.
> > > > > > > > > I'll get a correct box but this is all I have right now.
> > > > > > > > > Can I put in the Caprice's power steering box for now and
> run
> > > it
> > > > > > like a
> > > > > > > > > manual box without hurting the box or struggling without the
> > > pump's
> > > > > > > > assist?
> > > > > > > > > Any ideas on how to bypass the pump & reservoir? (I have a
> 2"
> > > body
> > > > > > lift
> > > > > > > > if
> > > > > > > > > that makes a difference.)
> > > > > > > > > I know steering will by fast and touchy but the manual box
> is
> > > just
> > > > > > > > unsafe.
> > > > > > > > > It's adjusted to the point that the nut barely has a thread
> to
> > > hang
> > > > > on
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > and still has about 1/2 a full turn on the steering wheel of
> > > play.
> > > > > > Deep
> > > > > > > > > wheel ruts on the road make me fishtail as I steer back and
> > > forth to
> > > > > > keep
> > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > under control so I stay under 45mph. When I pulled out of a
> > > parking
> > > > > > lot
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > other day, something felt like it wanted to bind in the
> gear.
> > > I'm
> > > > > > > > literally
> > > > > > > > > on the verge of a "bind".
> > > > > > > > > I really appreciate any advice I can get 'cause it's my
> daily
> > > > > driver
> > > > > > 4
> > > > > > > > > miles to work.
> > > > > > > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > > > > > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > > > > > > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > > > > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > > > > > > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > > > > > > > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in
> message
> > > > > > > > > news:40819860.D2EF8586@***.net...
> > > > > > > > > > Hi Jim,
> > > > > > > > > > There's a zillion old Jeeps running around with that
> > > setup.
> > > > > But
> > > > > > I'd
> > > > > > > > > > really try to keep it with the stock sized box, shafts and
> > > column,
> > > > > > it'll
> > > > > > > > > > probably save you time improvising, and a whole lot easier
> for
> > > the
> > > > > > next
> > > > > > > > > > owner. There's also a big difference between passenger and
> > > Jeep
> > > > > > steering
> > > > > > > > > > ratios, three turns lock to lock is about twice as fast a
> > > Jeep.
> > > > > > > > > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > > > > > > > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Drink wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I have an old tilt steering column (column shift),
> shaft
> > > and
> > > > > > power
> > > > > > > > > > > steering gear box from a Chevy caprice (model unknown
> but it
> > > > > > looked
> > > > > > > > late
> > > > > > > > > > > 80's to very early 90's). I want to convert to power
> > > steering
> > > > > and
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > tilt
> > > > > > > > > > > would nice. I bought a Jeep power steering shaft.
> > > > > > > > > > > Overall, the column is longer than my Jeep and the
> shaft
> > > is
> > > > > much
> > > > > > > > > shorter
> > > > > > > > > > > than my stock. Does anybody know if I can use the Chevy
> > > tilt
> > > > > > column
> > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > gear box in the Jeep if I have a new power steering
> shaft?
> > > > > > > > > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > > > > > > > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > > > > > > > > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > > > > > > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > > > > > > > > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > > > > > > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > > > > news:407D7D8D.9F1F0A82@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > > > > > > > > GM uses the same Saganaw steering column so you have a
> > > large
> > > > > > choice
> > > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > > > colors, tilt, etc. at the wreckers..
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Daudi wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Ah. Yes. My wrangler is a 1987. The cherokee being
> > > parted
> > > > > out
> > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > early
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 90's I believe. I actually haven't asked because the
> > > idea
> > > > > just
> > > > > > > > > recently
> > > > > > > > > > > > > occured to me.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Wrangler's use GM steering columns?
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike Romain wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > You need to give us some years and makes.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Apparently they changed the column from the
> Saganaw
> > > unit
> > > > > > every
> > > > > > > > GM
> > > > > > > > > van,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Camaro, Chevette and pickup uses in the mid 90's
> to
> > > > > > something
> > > > > > > > > else.
> > > > > > > > > > > One
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > person that doesn't usually have accurate info
> says it
> > > was
> > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > 94,
> > > > > > > > > but
> > > > > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > would suspect the change was with the TJ, not in
> the
> > > > > middle
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > production run of the YJ's.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > The GM units are a fast easy swap. A couple bolts
> > > under
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > dash,
> > > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > couple at the firewall and one spline bolt outside
> the
> > > > > > firewall.
> > > > > > > > > You
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > pull and out it comes.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to
> tail
> > > in
> > > > > > '00
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Daudi wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>The adjustable steering column in my wrangler is
> very
> > > > > loose;
> > > > > > > > > sloppy
> > > > > > > > > > > down
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>in the pivot, the joint. I am worried that it may
> come
> > > > > apart
> > > > > > > > some
> > > > > > > > > day
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>when driving.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>I've had the steering wheel come off a car when
> > > driving
> > > > > > (long,
> > > > > > > > > long
> > > > > > > > > > > ago
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>when we bought cars for $50) but that was easy to
> put
> > > back
> > > > > > on. A
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>separated U-joint down inside the steering column
> > > seems
> > > > > like
> > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > would
> > > > > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>more difficult to arrange.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>I can find a steering column from a parting out
> > > cherokee.
> > > > > > Are
> > > > > > > > they
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >>interchangable?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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Re: Power steering conversion
I'm considering getting a new AGR steering gearbox. Does anybody have any
good/bad experience with 'em? What's best for an on-road driver that gets
off-road every week or so? Box 1 has 16:1 and box 2 has variable rate of
17:1 to 13:1. I don't understand which rate is which (17 on road to keep
you from whipping across lanes inadvertently or off-road to give you power
in terrain). Pretty sure that someone here's got one and might've wished
they'd gotten the other.
Also, thinking of getting an '80-'86 version instead for my '76 CJ-7
maybe. The '80 and up version uses O-ring hoses (if that's better than
flared). Also, since I'm dropping in a Chevy small block, maybe O-ring
versions are more compatible.
What say ye all?
o_o_o_o
Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:4089F2FA.3E3A7EBA@***.net...
> The steering boxes are made my Saginaw I would say Chrysler, Ford
> and GM would all adapt to it, rather than the other way around.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Drink wrote:
> >
> > The only thing I need to figure out right now is what's the common
link
> > between GM pump and the steering box; flared end hose or O-ring.
Shouldn't
> > be too hard to get down.
> > o_o_o_o
> > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:40895B34.C0CF8BCE@sympatico.ca...
> > > I think the pump is the same one. It sure looks the same.... The
pump
> > > just has one hydraulic line, the other is just low pressure with hose
> > > clamps.
> > >
> > > I guess I would likely take the pump with me to the store to make sure
> > > before buying the line. Even if you went custom, it isn't a part that
> > > wears out often. My 86 one is still hanging in there....
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > > Drink wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I just talked with George from George's Jeeps in Mississippi (I
> > think).
> > > > Really good guy and very patient. Never had a problem getting
through
> > and
> > > > recommend him if you can't find a part.
> > > > Anyway, he said that the GM steering box I have has three mounting
> > bolts
> > > > (he's right) and the Jeep box has four so it won't work. Gotta go
check
> > to
> > > > make sure. It all sounds right. I'll just have to break down
(strange
> > > > choice of words:) and get the Jeep box from probably AGR. Then,
when I
> > have
> > > > the GM small block in place, I get the small block brackets and
power
> > > > steering pump/reservoir. That should do just fine to power the
steering
> > > > gear. The only thing I can think of are the hydraulic lines.
Anybody
> > got
> > > > any advice to make sure the hose ends are compatible? If worse
comes to
> > > > worst, I can get a pair made custom here locally but would rather be
> > able to
> > > > get an original set without having to custom make every time.
> > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > news:4085AF33.B38D4A84@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > The steering column is the part that is inside the Jeep cab. This
is
> > a
> > > > > Saganaw unit like the one the GM's use.
> > > > >
> > > > > The steering shaft is it's own part, same for the box. Likely
Jeep
> > > > > specific for those.
> > > > >
> > > > > So you 'can' still have tilt steering...
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike
> > > > >
> > > > > Drink wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Just got off the line with 4WDHardware and they told me the
> > following.
> > > > > > The only difference between the power/manual steering shaft is
> > that
> > > > the
> > > > > > input shaft to the box is 3/4in for the manual box and 13/16in
for
> > the
> > > > > > powered box. Length is identical.
> > > > > > The GM box I have has a much smaller input shaft with a peg
coming
> > out
> > > > the
> > > > > > end of the shaft so the Jeep shaft won't slip on regardless of
shaft
> > > > > > diameter. It looks as though I'll have to break down and bite
the
> > > > bullet to
> > > > > > buy a new Jeep box. I really wanted to go with an AGR box and
still
> > > > might;
> > > > > > having to put off the engine/tranny swap til I get a little more
> > money.
> > > > > > Anybody heard this about the shaft diameter for GM vice Jeep?
> > Having
> > > > that
> > > > > > tilt wheel would've been nice.
> > > > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > > > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > > > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > > > > "Drink" <drink@gnt.net> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:c63ohh$b5e$1@news.utelfla.com...
> > > > > > > Good idea, Mike. Didn't even consider a simple hose clamp
since
> > > > there's
> > > > > > > no pressure on the fluid. It's too simple. The original box
is
> > so
> > > > shot
> > > > > > > that a lightning fast lane change is where I'm at already.
The
> > only
> > > > > > > difference is that there's so much play that it does it on
it's
> > own:(
> > > > > > This
> > > > > > > is just a temporary fix in the interim 'til I can get the
other
> > > > drivetrain
> > > > > > > in and get the right pump, reservoir, etc. Is the steering
gonna
> > be
> > > > > > really
> > > > > > > hard like when you kill the engine with power steering or is
that
> > just
> > > > the
> > > > > > > drag of a non-turning pump?
> > > > > > > The Saginaw box appears identical to mine but I think it's
just
> > a
> > > > tad
> > > > > > bit
> > > > > > > extended to accommodate the hoses. I have both steering
columns
> > from
> > > > the
> > > > > > > Caprice and the Jeep and bought a power steering shaft to
boot.
> > If I
> > > > can,
> > > > > > > I'll use the tilt wheel column from the Caprice and the power
> > steering
> > > > > > shaft
> > > > > > > for the Jeep to connect to the gear box. Once the
drivetrain's
> > > > swapped
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > I know what brackets and pump I need, I'll finish by changing
the
> > > > steering
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > gear box. Maybe even a new AGR box.
> > > > > > > How's this all sound? Am I tracking right? Am I missing
> > something?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > > > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > > > > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > > > > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > > > > news:40855F2F.F0DFFE7E@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > > > > What Bill is saying makes sense about mixing 'car' boxes and
> > Jeep
> > > > boxes.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Someone else here has the same issue, the 'car' box is way
too
> > fast.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I really don't know what you should expect mixing them up.
The
> > > > other
> > > > > > > > poster sure doesn't like it. I now know what he was
complaining
> > > > about.
> > > > > > > > I was thinking he has a camber issue because his steering
won't
> > > > track
> > > > > > > > back straight after a turn. Or too short of a pinion arm,
but
> > he
> > > > > > > > checked and it is the same.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Now it makes more sense, the gear ratio is too tight to
allow it
> > to
> > > > > > > > track back straight by itself, it has to be pulled back. He
was
> > > > > > > > grumbling something about ditches and front lawns and lane
> > changes
> > > > > > > > faster than you can blink.....
> > > > > > > > I would run fluid in the power box if you do decide to use
it,
> > even
> > > > if
> > > > > > > > the power isn't there. I would just hook the output to the
> > input
> > > > with a
> > > > > > > > hose clamp.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I don't know what column you are playing with. The Saganaw
unit
> > > > that
> > > > > > > > the 80's GM have is exactly the same as the one in my 86
CJ7.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Drink wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Mike,
> > > > > > > > > I see that you're up this morning. Feel free to chime
in
> > with
> > > > your
> > > > > > > > > thoughts since the question's for anybody with insight.
> > > > > > > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > > > > > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > > > > > > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > > > > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > > > > > > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > > > > > > > "Drink" <drink@gnt.net> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > > news:c63ib0$6dp$1@news.utelfla.com...
> > > > > > > > > > Bill,
> > > > > > > > > > My manual steering box is shot and I have to replace
it
> > > > urgently.
> > > > > > > I'm
> > > > > > > > > > converting to a small block Chevy and NV4500 really soon
and
> > > > will
> > > > > > > convert
> > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > power steering but don't have the pump/brackets/hoses
yet.
> > The
> > > > > > > Caprice's
> > > > > > > > > > steering box appears the same, only a bit longer since
it's
> > > > power
> > > > > > > > > steering.
> > > > > > > > > > I'll get a correct box but this is all I have right now.
> > > > > > > > > > Can I put in the Caprice's power steering box for now
and
> > run
> > > > it
> > > > > > > like a
> > > > > > > > > > manual box without hurting the box or struggling without
the
> > > > pump's
> > > > > > > > > assist?
> > > > > > > > > > Any ideas on how to bypass the pump & reservoir? (I
have a
> > 2"
> > > > body
> > > > > > > lift
> > > > > > > > > if
> > > > > > > > > > that makes a difference.)
> > > > > > > > > > I know steering will by fast and touchy but the manual
box
> > is
> > > > just
> > > > > > > > > unsafe.
> > > > > > > > > > It's adjusted to the point that the nut barely has a
thread
> > to
> > > > hang
> > > > > > on
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > and still has about 1/2 a full turn on the steering
wheel of
> > > > play.
> > > > > > > Deep
> > > > > > > > > > wheel ruts on the road make me fishtail as I steer back
and
> > > > forth to
> > > > > > > keep
> > > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > under control so I stay under 45mph. When I pulled out
of a
> > > > parking
> > > > > > > lot
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > other day, something felt like it wanted to bind in the
> > gear.
> > > > I'm
> > > > > > > > > literally
> > > > > > > > > > on the verge of a "bind".
> > > > > > > > > > I really appreciate any advice I can get 'cause it's
my
> > daily
> > > > > > driver
> > > > > > > 4
> > > > > > > > > > miles to work.
> > > > > > > > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > > > > > > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > > > > > > > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > > > > > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > > > > > > > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > > > > > > > > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in
> > message
> > > > > > > > > > news:40819860.D2EF8586@***.net...
> > > > > > > > > > > Hi Jim,
> > > > > > > > > > > There's a zillion old Jeeps running around with
that
> > > > setup.
> > > > > > But
> > > > > > > I'd
> > > > > > > > > > > really try to keep it with the stock sized box, shafts
and
> > > > column,
> > > > > > > it'll
> > > > > > > > > > > probably save you time improvising, and a whole lot
easier
> > for
> > > > the
> > > > > > > next
> > > > > > > > > > > owner. There's also a big difference between passenger
and
> > > > Jeep
> > > > > > > steering
> > > > > > > > > > > ratios, three turns lock to lock is about twice as
fast a
> > > > Jeep.
> > > > > > > > > > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > > > > > > > > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Drink wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > I have an old tilt steering column (column shift),
> > shaft
> > > > and
> > > > > > > power
> > > > > > > > > > > > steering gear box from a Chevy caprice (model
unknown
> > but it
> > > > > > > looked
> > > > > > > > > late
> > > > > > > > > > > > 80's to very early 90's). I want to convert to
power
> > > > steering
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > tilt
> > > > > > > > > > > > would nice. I bought a Jeep power steering shaft.
> > > > > > > > > > > > Overall, the column is longer than my Jeep and the
> > shaft
> > > > is
> > > > > > much
> > > > > > > > > > shorter
> > > > > > > > > > > > than my stock. Does anybody know if I can use the
Chevy
> > > > tilt
> > > > > > > column
> > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > gear box in the Jeep if I have a new power steering
> > shaft?
> > > > > > > > > > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > > > > > > > > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > > > > > > > > > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > > > > > > > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > > > > > > > > > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > > > > > > > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in
message
> > > > > > > > > > > > news:407D7D8D.9F1F0A82@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > GM uses the same Saganaw steering column so you
have a
> > > > large
> > > > > > > choice
> > > > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > colors, tilt, etc. at the wreckers..
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Daudi wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ah. Yes. My wrangler is a 1987. The cherokee
being
> > > > parted
> > > > > > out
> > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > early
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 90's I believe. I actually haven't asked because
the
> > > > idea
> > > > > > just
> > > > > > > > > > recently
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > occured to me.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wrangler's use GM steering columns?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike Romain wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You need to give us some years and makes.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Apparently they changed the column from the
> > Saganaw
> > > > unit
> > > > > > > every
> > > > > > > > > GM
> > > > > > > > > > van,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Camaro, Chevette and pickup uses in the mid
90's
> > to
> > > > > > > something
> > > > > > > > > > else.
> > > > > > > > > > > > One
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > person that doesn't usually have accurate info
> > says it
> > > > was
> > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > 94,
> > > > > > > > > > but
> > > > > > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would suspect the change was with the TJ, not
in
> > the
> > > > > > middle
> > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > production run of the YJ's.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The GM units are a fast easy swap. A couple
bolts
> > > > under
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > dash,
> > > > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > couple at the firewall and one spline bolt
outside
> > the
> > > > > > > firewall.
> > > > > > > > > > You
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pull and out it comes.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose
to
> > tail
> > > > in
> > > > > > > '00
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Daudi wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>The adjustable steering column in my wrangler
is
> > very
> > > > > > loose;
> > > > > > > > > > sloppy
> > > > > > > > > > > > down
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>in the pivot, the joint. I am worried that it
may
> > come
> > > > > > apart
> > > > > > > > > some
> > > > > > > > > > day
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>when driving.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>I've had the steering wheel come off a car
when
> > > > driving
> > > > > > > (long,
> > > > > > > > > > long
> > > > > > > > > > > > ago
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>when we bought cars for $50) but that was easy
to
> > put
> > > > back
> > > > > > > on. A
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>separated U-joint down inside the steering
column
> > > > seems
> > > > > > like
> > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > would
> > > > > > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>more difficult to arrange.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>I can find a steering column from a parting
out
> > > > cherokee.
> > > > > > > Are
> > > > > > > > > they
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>interchangable?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
good/bad experience with 'em? What's best for an on-road driver that gets
off-road every week or so? Box 1 has 16:1 and box 2 has variable rate of
17:1 to 13:1. I don't understand which rate is which (17 on road to keep
you from whipping across lanes inadvertently or off-road to give you power
in terrain). Pretty sure that someone here's got one and might've wished
they'd gotten the other.
Also, thinking of getting an '80-'86 version instead for my '76 CJ-7
maybe. The '80 and up version uses O-ring hoses (if that's better than
flared). Also, since I'm dropping in a Chevy small block, maybe O-ring
versions are more compatible.
What say ye all?
o_o_o_o
Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:4089F2FA.3E3A7EBA@***.net...
> The steering boxes are made my Saginaw I would say Chrysler, Ford
> and GM would all adapt to it, rather than the other way around.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Drink wrote:
> >
> > The only thing I need to figure out right now is what's the common
link
> > between GM pump and the steering box; flared end hose or O-ring.
Shouldn't
> > be too hard to get down.
> > o_o_o_o
> > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:40895B34.C0CF8BCE@sympatico.ca...
> > > I think the pump is the same one. It sure looks the same.... The
pump
> > > just has one hydraulic line, the other is just low pressure with hose
> > > clamps.
> > >
> > > I guess I would likely take the pump with me to the store to make sure
> > > before buying the line. Even if you went custom, it isn't a part that
> > > wears out often. My 86 one is still hanging in there....
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > > Drink wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I just talked with George from George's Jeeps in Mississippi (I
> > think).
> > > > Really good guy and very patient. Never had a problem getting
through
> > and
> > > > recommend him if you can't find a part.
> > > > Anyway, he said that the GM steering box I have has three mounting
> > bolts
> > > > (he's right) and the Jeep box has four so it won't work. Gotta go
check
> > to
> > > > make sure. It all sounds right. I'll just have to break down
(strange
> > > > choice of words:) and get the Jeep box from probably AGR. Then,
when I
> > have
> > > > the GM small block in place, I get the small block brackets and
power
> > > > steering pump/reservoir. That should do just fine to power the
steering
> > > > gear. The only thing I can think of are the hydraulic lines.
Anybody
> > got
> > > > any advice to make sure the hose ends are compatible? If worse
comes to
> > > > worst, I can get a pair made custom here locally but would rather be
> > able to
> > > > get an original set without having to custom make every time.
> > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > news:4085AF33.B38D4A84@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > The steering column is the part that is inside the Jeep cab. This
is
> > a
> > > > > Saganaw unit like the one the GM's use.
> > > > >
> > > > > The steering shaft is it's own part, same for the box. Likely
Jeep
> > > > > specific for those.
> > > > >
> > > > > So you 'can' still have tilt steering...
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike
> > > > >
> > > > > Drink wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Just got off the line with 4WDHardware and they told me the
> > following.
> > > > > > The only difference between the power/manual steering shaft is
> > that
> > > > the
> > > > > > input shaft to the box is 3/4in for the manual box and 13/16in
for
> > the
> > > > > > powered box. Length is identical.
> > > > > > The GM box I have has a much smaller input shaft with a peg
coming
> > out
> > > > the
> > > > > > end of the shaft so the Jeep shaft won't slip on regardless of
shaft
> > > > > > diameter. It looks as though I'll have to break down and bite
the
> > > > bullet to
> > > > > > buy a new Jeep box. I really wanted to go with an AGR box and
still
> > > > might;
> > > > > > having to put off the engine/tranny swap til I get a little more
> > money.
> > > > > > Anybody heard this about the shaft diameter for GM vice Jeep?
> > Having
> > > > that
> > > > > > tilt wheel would've been nice.
> > > > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > > > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > > > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > > > > "Drink" <drink@gnt.net> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:c63ohh$b5e$1@news.utelfla.com...
> > > > > > > Good idea, Mike. Didn't even consider a simple hose clamp
since
> > > > there's
> > > > > > > no pressure on the fluid. It's too simple. The original box
is
> > so
> > > > shot
> > > > > > > that a lightning fast lane change is where I'm at already.
The
> > only
> > > > > > > difference is that there's so much play that it does it on
it's
> > own:(
> > > > > > This
> > > > > > > is just a temporary fix in the interim 'til I can get the
other
> > > > drivetrain
> > > > > > > in and get the right pump, reservoir, etc. Is the steering
gonna
> > be
> > > > > > really
> > > > > > > hard like when you kill the engine with power steering or is
that
> > just
> > > > the
> > > > > > > drag of a non-turning pump?
> > > > > > > The Saginaw box appears identical to mine but I think it's
just
> > a
> > > > tad
> > > > > > bit
> > > > > > > extended to accommodate the hoses. I have both steering
columns
> > from
> > > > the
> > > > > > > Caprice and the Jeep and bought a power steering shaft to
boot.
> > If I
> > > > can,
> > > > > > > I'll use the tilt wheel column from the Caprice and the power
> > steering
> > > > > > shaft
> > > > > > > for the Jeep to connect to the gear box. Once the
drivetrain's
> > > > swapped
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > I know what brackets and pump I need, I'll finish by changing
the
> > > > steering
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > gear box. Maybe even a new AGR box.
> > > > > > > How's this all sound? Am I tracking right? Am I missing
> > something?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > > > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > > > > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > > > > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > > > > news:40855F2F.F0DFFE7E@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > > > > What Bill is saying makes sense about mixing 'car' boxes and
> > Jeep
> > > > boxes.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Someone else here has the same issue, the 'car' box is way
too
> > fast.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I really don't know what you should expect mixing them up.
The
> > > > other
> > > > > > > > poster sure doesn't like it. I now know what he was
complaining
> > > > about.
> > > > > > > > I was thinking he has a camber issue because his steering
won't
> > > > track
> > > > > > > > back straight after a turn. Or too short of a pinion arm,
but
> > he
> > > > > > > > checked and it is the same.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Now it makes more sense, the gear ratio is too tight to
allow it
> > to
> > > > > > > > track back straight by itself, it has to be pulled back. He
was
> > > > > > > > grumbling something about ditches and front lawns and lane
> > changes
> > > > > > > > faster than you can blink.....
> > > > > > > > I would run fluid in the power box if you do decide to use
it,
> > even
> > > > if
> > > > > > > > the power isn't there. I would just hook the output to the
> > input
> > > > with a
> > > > > > > > hose clamp.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I don't know what column you are playing with. The Saganaw
unit
> > > > that
> > > > > > > > the 80's GM have is exactly the same as the one in my 86
CJ7.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Drink wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Mike,
> > > > > > > > > I see that you're up this morning. Feel free to chime
in
> > with
> > > > your
> > > > > > > > > thoughts since the question's for anybody with insight.
> > > > > > > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > > > > > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > > > > > > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > > > > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > > > > > > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > > > > > > > "Drink" <drink@gnt.net> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > > news:c63ib0$6dp$1@news.utelfla.com...
> > > > > > > > > > Bill,
> > > > > > > > > > My manual steering box is shot and I have to replace
it
> > > > urgently.
> > > > > > > I'm
> > > > > > > > > > converting to a small block Chevy and NV4500 really soon
and
> > > > will
> > > > > > > convert
> > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > power steering but don't have the pump/brackets/hoses
yet.
> > The
> > > > > > > Caprice's
> > > > > > > > > > steering box appears the same, only a bit longer since
it's
> > > > power
> > > > > > > > > steering.
> > > > > > > > > > I'll get a correct box but this is all I have right now.
> > > > > > > > > > Can I put in the Caprice's power steering box for now
and
> > run
> > > > it
> > > > > > > like a
> > > > > > > > > > manual box without hurting the box or struggling without
the
> > > > pump's
> > > > > > > > > assist?
> > > > > > > > > > Any ideas on how to bypass the pump & reservoir? (I
have a
> > 2"
> > > > body
> > > > > > > lift
> > > > > > > > > if
> > > > > > > > > > that makes a difference.)
> > > > > > > > > > I know steering will by fast and touchy but the manual
box
> > is
> > > > just
> > > > > > > > > unsafe.
> > > > > > > > > > It's adjusted to the point that the nut barely has a
thread
> > to
> > > > hang
> > > > > > on
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > and still has about 1/2 a full turn on the steering
wheel of
> > > > play.
> > > > > > > Deep
> > > > > > > > > > wheel ruts on the road make me fishtail as I steer back
and
> > > > forth to
> > > > > > > keep
> > > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > under control so I stay under 45mph. When I pulled out
of a
> > > > parking
> > > > > > > lot
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > other day, something felt like it wanted to bind in the
> > gear.
> > > > I'm
> > > > > > > > > literally
> > > > > > > > > > on the verge of a "bind".
> > > > > > > > > > I really appreciate any advice I can get 'cause it's
my
> > daily
> > > > > > driver
> > > > > > > 4
> > > > > > > > > > miles to work.
> > > > > > > > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > > > > > > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > > > > > > > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > > > > > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > > > > > > > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > > > > > > > > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in
> > message
> > > > > > > > > > news:40819860.D2EF8586@***.net...
> > > > > > > > > > > Hi Jim,
> > > > > > > > > > > There's a zillion old Jeeps running around with
that
> > > > setup.
> > > > > > But
> > > > > > > I'd
> > > > > > > > > > > really try to keep it with the stock sized box, shafts
and
> > > > column,
> > > > > > > it'll
> > > > > > > > > > > probably save you time improvising, and a whole lot
easier
> > for
> > > > the
> > > > > > > next
> > > > > > > > > > > owner. There's also a big difference between passenger
and
> > > > Jeep
> > > > > > > steering
> > > > > > > > > > > ratios, three turns lock to lock is about twice as
fast a
> > > > Jeep.
> > > > > > > > > > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > > > > > > > > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Drink wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > I have an old tilt steering column (column shift),
> > shaft
> > > > and
> > > > > > > power
> > > > > > > > > > > > steering gear box from a Chevy caprice (model
unknown
> > but it
> > > > > > > looked
> > > > > > > > > late
> > > > > > > > > > > > 80's to very early 90's). I want to convert to
power
> > > > steering
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > tilt
> > > > > > > > > > > > would nice. I bought a Jeep power steering shaft.
> > > > > > > > > > > > Overall, the column is longer than my Jeep and the
> > shaft
> > > > is
> > > > > > much
> > > > > > > > > > shorter
> > > > > > > > > > > > than my stock. Does anybody know if I can use the
Chevy
> > > > tilt
> > > > > > > column
> > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > gear box in the Jeep if I have a new power steering
> > shaft?
> > > > > > > > > > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > > > > > > > > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > > > > > > > > > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > > > > > > > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > > > > > > > > > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > > > > > > > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in
message
> > > > > > > > > > > > news:407D7D8D.9F1F0A82@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > GM uses the same Saganaw steering column so you
have a
> > > > large
> > > > > > > choice
> > > > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > colors, tilt, etc. at the wreckers..
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Daudi wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ah. Yes. My wrangler is a 1987. The cherokee
being
> > > > parted
> > > > > > out
> > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > early
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 90's I believe. I actually haven't asked because
the
> > > > idea
> > > > > > just
> > > > > > > > > > recently
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > occured to me.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wrangler's use GM steering columns?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike Romain wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You need to give us some years and makes.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Apparently they changed the column from the
> > Saganaw
> > > > unit
> > > > > > > every
> > > > > > > > > GM
> > > > > > > > > > van,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Camaro, Chevette and pickup uses in the mid
90's
> > to
> > > > > > > something
> > > > > > > > > > else.
> > > > > > > > > > > > One
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > person that doesn't usually have accurate info
> > says it
> > > > was
> > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > 94,
> > > > > > > > > > but
> > > > > > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would suspect the change was with the TJ, not
in
> > the
> > > > > > middle
> > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > production run of the YJ's.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The GM units are a fast easy swap. A couple
bolts
> > > > under
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > dash,
> > > > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > couple at the firewall and one spline bolt
outside
> > the
> > > > > > > firewall.
> > > > > > > > > > You
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pull and out it comes.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose
to
> > tail
> > > > in
> > > > > > > '00
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Daudi wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>The adjustable steering column in my wrangler
is
> > very
> > > > > > loose;
> > > > > > > > > > sloppy
> > > > > > > > > > > > down
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>in the pivot, the joint. I am worried that it
may
> > come
> > > > > > apart
> > > > > > > > > some
> > > > > > > > > > day
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>when driving.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>I've had the steering wheel come off a car
when
> > > > driving
> > > > > > > (long,
> > > > > > > > > > long
> > > > > > > > > > > > ago
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>when we bought cars for $50) but that was easy
to
> > put
> > > > back
> > > > > > > on. A
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>separated U-joint down inside the steering
column
> > > > seems
> > > > > > like
> > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > would
> > > > > > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>more difficult to arrange.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>I can find a steering column from a parting
out
> > > > cherokee.
> > > > > > > Are
> > > > > > > > > they
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>interchangable?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
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Re: Power steering conversion
I'm considering getting a new AGR steering gearbox. Does anybody have any
good/bad experience with 'em? What's best for an on-road driver that gets
off-road every week or so? Box 1 has 16:1 and box 2 has variable rate of
17:1 to 13:1. I don't understand which rate is which (17 on road to keep
you from whipping across lanes inadvertently or off-road to give you power
in terrain). Pretty sure that someone here's got one and might've wished
they'd gotten the other.
Also, thinking of getting an '80-'86 version instead for my '76 CJ-7
maybe. The '80 and up version uses O-ring hoses (if that's better than
flared). Also, since I'm dropping in a Chevy small block, maybe O-ring
versions are more compatible.
What say ye all?
o_o_o_o
Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:4089F2FA.3E3A7EBA@***.net...
> The steering boxes are made my Saginaw I would say Chrysler, Ford
> and GM would all adapt to it, rather than the other way around.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Drink wrote:
> >
> > The only thing I need to figure out right now is what's the common
link
> > between GM pump and the steering box; flared end hose or O-ring.
Shouldn't
> > be too hard to get down.
> > o_o_o_o
> > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:40895B34.C0CF8BCE@sympatico.ca...
> > > I think the pump is the same one. It sure looks the same.... The
pump
> > > just has one hydraulic line, the other is just low pressure with hose
> > > clamps.
> > >
> > > I guess I would likely take the pump with me to the store to make sure
> > > before buying the line. Even if you went custom, it isn't a part that
> > > wears out often. My 86 one is still hanging in there....
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > > Drink wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I just talked with George from George's Jeeps in Mississippi (I
> > think).
> > > > Really good guy and very patient. Never had a problem getting
through
> > and
> > > > recommend him if you can't find a part.
> > > > Anyway, he said that the GM steering box I have has three mounting
> > bolts
> > > > (he's right) and the Jeep box has four so it won't work. Gotta go
check
> > to
> > > > make sure. It all sounds right. I'll just have to break down
(strange
> > > > choice of words:) and get the Jeep box from probably AGR. Then,
when I
> > have
> > > > the GM small block in place, I get the small block brackets and
power
> > > > steering pump/reservoir. That should do just fine to power the
steering
> > > > gear. The only thing I can think of are the hydraulic lines.
Anybody
> > got
> > > > any advice to make sure the hose ends are compatible? If worse
comes to
> > > > worst, I can get a pair made custom here locally but would rather be
> > able to
> > > > get an original set without having to custom make every time.
> > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > news:4085AF33.B38D4A84@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > The steering column is the part that is inside the Jeep cab. This
is
> > a
> > > > > Saganaw unit like the one the GM's use.
> > > > >
> > > > > The steering shaft is it's own part, same for the box. Likely
Jeep
> > > > > specific for those.
> > > > >
> > > > > So you 'can' still have tilt steering...
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike
> > > > >
> > > > > Drink wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Just got off the line with 4WDHardware and they told me the
> > following.
> > > > > > The only difference between the power/manual steering shaft is
> > that
> > > > the
> > > > > > input shaft to the box is 3/4in for the manual box and 13/16in
for
> > the
> > > > > > powered box. Length is identical.
> > > > > > The GM box I have has a much smaller input shaft with a peg
coming
> > out
> > > > the
> > > > > > end of the shaft so the Jeep shaft won't slip on regardless of
shaft
> > > > > > diameter. It looks as though I'll have to break down and bite
the
> > > > bullet to
> > > > > > buy a new Jeep box. I really wanted to go with an AGR box and
still
> > > > might;
> > > > > > having to put off the engine/tranny swap til I get a little more
> > money.
> > > > > > Anybody heard this about the shaft diameter for GM vice Jeep?
> > Having
> > > > that
> > > > > > tilt wheel would've been nice.
> > > > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > > > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > > > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > > > > "Drink" <drink@gnt.net> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:c63ohh$b5e$1@news.utelfla.com...
> > > > > > > Good idea, Mike. Didn't even consider a simple hose clamp
since
> > > > there's
> > > > > > > no pressure on the fluid. It's too simple. The original box
is
> > so
> > > > shot
> > > > > > > that a lightning fast lane change is where I'm at already.
The
> > only
> > > > > > > difference is that there's so much play that it does it on
it's
> > own:(
> > > > > > This
> > > > > > > is just a temporary fix in the interim 'til I can get the
other
> > > > drivetrain
> > > > > > > in and get the right pump, reservoir, etc. Is the steering
gonna
> > be
> > > > > > really
> > > > > > > hard like when you kill the engine with power steering or is
that
> > just
> > > > the
> > > > > > > drag of a non-turning pump?
> > > > > > > The Saginaw box appears identical to mine but I think it's
just
> > a
> > > > tad
> > > > > > bit
> > > > > > > extended to accommodate the hoses. I have both steering
columns
> > from
> > > > the
> > > > > > > Caprice and the Jeep and bought a power steering shaft to
boot.
> > If I
> > > > can,
> > > > > > > I'll use the tilt wheel column from the Caprice and the power
> > steering
> > > > > > shaft
> > > > > > > for the Jeep to connect to the gear box. Once the
drivetrain's
> > > > swapped
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > I know what brackets and pump I need, I'll finish by changing
the
> > > > steering
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > gear box. Maybe even a new AGR box.
> > > > > > > How's this all sound? Am I tracking right? Am I missing
> > something?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > > > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > > > > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > > > > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > > > > news:40855F2F.F0DFFE7E@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > > > > What Bill is saying makes sense about mixing 'car' boxes and
> > Jeep
> > > > boxes.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Someone else here has the same issue, the 'car' box is way
too
> > fast.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I really don't know what you should expect mixing them up.
The
> > > > other
> > > > > > > > poster sure doesn't like it. I now know what he was
complaining
> > > > about.
> > > > > > > > I was thinking he has a camber issue because his steering
won't
> > > > track
> > > > > > > > back straight after a turn. Or too short of a pinion arm,
but
> > he
> > > > > > > > checked and it is the same.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Now it makes more sense, the gear ratio is too tight to
allow it
> > to
> > > > > > > > track back straight by itself, it has to be pulled back. He
was
> > > > > > > > grumbling something about ditches and front lawns and lane
> > changes
> > > > > > > > faster than you can blink.....
> > > > > > > > I would run fluid in the power box if you do decide to use
it,
> > even
> > > > if
> > > > > > > > the power isn't there. I would just hook the output to the
> > input
> > > > with a
> > > > > > > > hose clamp.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I don't know what column you are playing with. The Saganaw
unit
> > > > that
> > > > > > > > the 80's GM have is exactly the same as the one in my 86
CJ7.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Drink wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Mike,
> > > > > > > > > I see that you're up this morning. Feel free to chime
in
> > with
> > > > your
> > > > > > > > > thoughts since the question's for anybody with insight.
> > > > > > > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > > > > > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > > > > > > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > > > > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > > > > > > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > > > > > > > "Drink" <drink@gnt.net> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > > news:c63ib0$6dp$1@news.utelfla.com...
> > > > > > > > > > Bill,
> > > > > > > > > > My manual steering box is shot and I have to replace
it
> > > > urgently.
> > > > > > > I'm
> > > > > > > > > > converting to a small block Chevy and NV4500 really soon
and
> > > > will
> > > > > > > convert
> > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > power steering but don't have the pump/brackets/hoses
yet.
> > The
> > > > > > > Caprice's
> > > > > > > > > > steering box appears the same, only a bit longer since
it's
> > > > power
> > > > > > > > > steering.
> > > > > > > > > > I'll get a correct box but this is all I have right now.
> > > > > > > > > > Can I put in the Caprice's power steering box for now
and
> > run
> > > > it
> > > > > > > like a
> > > > > > > > > > manual box without hurting the box or struggling without
the
> > > > pump's
> > > > > > > > > assist?
> > > > > > > > > > Any ideas on how to bypass the pump & reservoir? (I
have a
> > 2"
> > > > body
> > > > > > > lift
> > > > > > > > > if
> > > > > > > > > > that makes a difference.)
> > > > > > > > > > I know steering will by fast and touchy but the manual
box
> > is
> > > > just
> > > > > > > > > unsafe.
> > > > > > > > > > It's adjusted to the point that the nut barely has a
thread
> > to
> > > > hang
> > > > > > on
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > and still has about 1/2 a full turn on the steering
wheel of
> > > > play.
> > > > > > > Deep
> > > > > > > > > > wheel ruts on the road make me fishtail as I steer back
and
> > > > forth to
> > > > > > > keep
> > > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > under control so I stay under 45mph. When I pulled out
of a
> > > > parking
> > > > > > > lot
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > other day, something felt like it wanted to bind in the
> > gear.
> > > > I'm
> > > > > > > > > literally
> > > > > > > > > > on the verge of a "bind".
> > > > > > > > > > I really appreciate any advice I can get 'cause it's
my
> > daily
> > > > > > driver
> > > > > > > 4
> > > > > > > > > > miles to work.
> > > > > > > > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > > > > > > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > > > > > > > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > > > > > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > > > > > > > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > > > > > > > > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in
> > message
> > > > > > > > > > news:40819860.D2EF8586@***.net...
> > > > > > > > > > > Hi Jim,
> > > > > > > > > > > There's a zillion old Jeeps running around with
that
> > > > setup.
> > > > > > But
> > > > > > > I'd
> > > > > > > > > > > really try to keep it with the stock sized box, shafts
and
> > > > column,
> > > > > > > it'll
> > > > > > > > > > > probably save you time improvising, and a whole lot
easier
> > for
> > > > the
> > > > > > > next
> > > > > > > > > > > owner. There's also a big difference between passenger
and
> > > > Jeep
> > > > > > > steering
> > > > > > > > > > > ratios, three turns lock to lock is about twice as
fast a
> > > > Jeep.
> > > > > > > > > > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > > > > > > > > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Drink wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > I have an old tilt steering column (column shift),
> > shaft
> > > > and
> > > > > > > power
> > > > > > > > > > > > steering gear box from a Chevy caprice (model
unknown
> > but it
> > > > > > > looked
> > > > > > > > > late
> > > > > > > > > > > > 80's to very early 90's). I want to convert to
power
> > > > steering
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > tilt
> > > > > > > > > > > > would nice. I bought a Jeep power steering shaft.
> > > > > > > > > > > > Overall, the column is longer than my Jeep and the
> > shaft
> > > > is
> > > > > > much
> > > > > > > > > > shorter
> > > > > > > > > > > > than my stock. Does anybody know if I can use the
Chevy
> > > > tilt
> > > > > > > column
> > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > gear box in the Jeep if I have a new power steering
> > shaft?
> > > > > > > > > > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > > > > > > > > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > > > > > > > > > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > > > > > > > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > > > > > > > > > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > > > > > > > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in
message
> > > > > > > > > > > > news:407D7D8D.9F1F0A82@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > GM uses the same Saganaw steering column so you
have a
> > > > large
> > > > > > > choice
> > > > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > colors, tilt, etc. at the wreckers..
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Daudi wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ah. Yes. My wrangler is a 1987. The cherokee
being
> > > > parted
> > > > > > out
> > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > early
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 90's I believe. I actually haven't asked because
the
> > > > idea
> > > > > > just
> > > > > > > > > > recently
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > occured to me.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wrangler's use GM steering columns?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike Romain wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You need to give us some years and makes.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Apparently they changed the column from the
> > Saganaw
> > > > unit
> > > > > > > every
> > > > > > > > > GM
> > > > > > > > > > van,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Camaro, Chevette and pickup uses in the mid
90's
> > to
> > > > > > > something
> > > > > > > > > > else.
> > > > > > > > > > > > One
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > person that doesn't usually have accurate info
> > says it
> > > > was
> > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > 94,
> > > > > > > > > > but
> > > > > > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would suspect the change was with the TJ, not
in
> > the
> > > > > > middle
> > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > production run of the YJ's.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The GM units are a fast easy swap. A couple
bolts
> > > > under
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > dash,
> > > > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > couple at the firewall and one spline bolt
outside
> > the
> > > > > > > firewall.
> > > > > > > > > > You
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pull and out it comes.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose
to
> > tail
> > > > in
> > > > > > > '00
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Daudi wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>The adjustable steering column in my wrangler
is
> > very
> > > > > > loose;
> > > > > > > > > > sloppy
> > > > > > > > > > > > down
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>in the pivot, the joint. I am worried that it
may
> > come
> > > > > > apart
> > > > > > > > > some
> > > > > > > > > > day
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>when driving.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>I've had the steering wheel come off a car
when
> > > > driving
> > > > > > > (long,
> > > > > > > > > > long
> > > > > > > > > > > > ago
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>when we bought cars for $50) but that was easy
to
> > put
> > > > back
> > > > > > > on. A
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>separated U-joint down inside the steering
column
> > > > seems
> > > > > > like
> > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > would
> > > > > > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>more difficult to arrange.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>I can find a steering column from a parting
out
> > > > cherokee.
> > > > > > > Are
> > > > > > > > > they
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>interchangable?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
good/bad experience with 'em? What's best for an on-road driver that gets
off-road every week or so? Box 1 has 16:1 and box 2 has variable rate of
17:1 to 13:1. I don't understand which rate is which (17 on road to keep
you from whipping across lanes inadvertently or off-road to give you power
in terrain). Pretty sure that someone here's got one and might've wished
they'd gotten the other.
Also, thinking of getting an '80-'86 version instead for my '76 CJ-7
maybe. The '80 and up version uses O-ring hoses (if that's better than
flared). Also, since I'm dropping in a Chevy small block, maybe O-ring
versions are more compatible.
What say ye all?
o_o_o_o
Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:4089F2FA.3E3A7EBA@***.net...
> The steering boxes are made my Saginaw I would say Chrysler, Ford
> and GM would all adapt to it, rather than the other way around.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Drink wrote:
> >
> > The only thing I need to figure out right now is what's the common
link
> > between GM pump and the steering box; flared end hose or O-ring.
Shouldn't
> > be too hard to get down.
> > o_o_o_o
> > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:40895B34.C0CF8BCE@sympatico.ca...
> > > I think the pump is the same one. It sure looks the same.... The
pump
> > > just has one hydraulic line, the other is just low pressure with hose
> > > clamps.
> > >
> > > I guess I would likely take the pump with me to the store to make sure
> > > before buying the line. Even if you went custom, it isn't a part that
> > > wears out often. My 86 one is still hanging in there....
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > > Drink wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I just talked with George from George's Jeeps in Mississippi (I
> > think).
> > > > Really good guy and very patient. Never had a problem getting
through
> > and
> > > > recommend him if you can't find a part.
> > > > Anyway, he said that the GM steering box I have has three mounting
> > bolts
> > > > (he's right) and the Jeep box has four so it won't work. Gotta go
check
> > to
> > > > make sure. It all sounds right. I'll just have to break down
(strange
> > > > choice of words:) and get the Jeep box from probably AGR. Then,
when I
> > have
> > > > the GM small block in place, I get the small block brackets and
power
> > > > steering pump/reservoir. That should do just fine to power the
steering
> > > > gear. The only thing I can think of are the hydraulic lines.
Anybody
> > got
> > > > any advice to make sure the hose ends are compatible? If worse
comes to
> > > > worst, I can get a pair made custom here locally but would rather be
> > able to
> > > > get an original set without having to custom make every time.
> > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > news:4085AF33.B38D4A84@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > The steering column is the part that is inside the Jeep cab. This
is
> > a
> > > > > Saganaw unit like the one the GM's use.
> > > > >
> > > > > The steering shaft is it's own part, same for the box. Likely
Jeep
> > > > > specific for those.
> > > > >
> > > > > So you 'can' still have tilt steering...
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike
> > > > >
> > > > > Drink wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Just got off the line with 4WDHardware and they told me the
> > following.
> > > > > > The only difference between the power/manual steering shaft is
> > that
> > > > the
> > > > > > input shaft to the box is 3/4in for the manual box and 13/16in
for
> > the
> > > > > > powered box. Length is identical.
> > > > > > The GM box I have has a much smaller input shaft with a peg
coming
> > out
> > > > the
> > > > > > end of the shaft so the Jeep shaft won't slip on regardless of
shaft
> > > > > > diameter. It looks as though I'll have to break down and bite
the
> > > > bullet to
> > > > > > buy a new Jeep box. I really wanted to go with an AGR box and
still
> > > > might;
> > > > > > having to put off the engine/tranny swap til I get a little more
> > money.
> > > > > > Anybody heard this about the shaft diameter for GM vice Jeep?
> > Having
> > > > that
> > > > > > tilt wheel would've been nice.
> > > > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > > > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > > > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > > > > "Drink" <drink@gnt.net> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:c63ohh$b5e$1@news.utelfla.com...
> > > > > > > Good idea, Mike. Didn't even consider a simple hose clamp
since
> > > > there's
> > > > > > > no pressure on the fluid. It's too simple. The original box
is
> > so
> > > > shot
> > > > > > > that a lightning fast lane change is where I'm at already.
The
> > only
> > > > > > > difference is that there's so much play that it does it on
it's
> > own:(
> > > > > > This
> > > > > > > is just a temporary fix in the interim 'til I can get the
other
> > > > drivetrain
> > > > > > > in and get the right pump, reservoir, etc. Is the steering
gonna
> > be
> > > > > > really
> > > > > > > hard like when you kill the engine with power steering or is
that
> > just
> > > > the
> > > > > > > drag of a non-turning pump?
> > > > > > > The Saginaw box appears identical to mine but I think it's
just
> > a
> > > > tad
> > > > > > bit
> > > > > > > extended to accommodate the hoses. I have both steering
columns
> > from
> > > > the
> > > > > > > Caprice and the Jeep and bought a power steering shaft to
boot.
> > If I
> > > > can,
> > > > > > > I'll use the tilt wheel column from the Caprice and the power
> > steering
> > > > > > shaft
> > > > > > > for the Jeep to connect to the gear box. Once the
drivetrain's
> > > > swapped
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > I know what brackets and pump I need, I'll finish by changing
the
> > > > steering
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > gear box. Maybe even a new AGR box.
> > > > > > > How's this all sound? Am I tracking right? Am I missing
> > something?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > > > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > > > > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > > > > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > > > > news:40855F2F.F0DFFE7E@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > > > > What Bill is saying makes sense about mixing 'car' boxes and
> > Jeep
> > > > boxes.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Someone else here has the same issue, the 'car' box is way
too
> > fast.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I really don't know what you should expect mixing them up.
The
> > > > other
> > > > > > > > poster sure doesn't like it. I now know what he was
complaining
> > > > about.
> > > > > > > > I was thinking he has a camber issue because his steering
won't
> > > > track
> > > > > > > > back straight after a turn. Or too short of a pinion arm,
but
> > he
> > > > > > > > checked and it is the same.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Now it makes more sense, the gear ratio is too tight to
allow it
> > to
> > > > > > > > track back straight by itself, it has to be pulled back. He
was
> > > > > > > > grumbling something about ditches and front lawns and lane
> > changes
> > > > > > > > faster than you can blink.....
> > > > > > > > I would run fluid in the power box if you do decide to use
it,
> > even
> > > > if
> > > > > > > > the power isn't there. I would just hook the output to the
> > input
> > > > with a
> > > > > > > > hose clamp.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I don't know what column you are playing with. The Saganaw
unit
> > > > that
> > > > > > > > the 80's GM have is exactly the same as the one in my 86
CJ7.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Drink wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Mike,
> > > > > > > > > I see that you're up this morning. Feel free to chime
in
> > with
> > > > your
> > > > > > > > > thoughts since the question's for anybody with insight.
> > > > > > > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > > > > > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > > > > > > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > > > > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > > > > > > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > > > > > > > "Drink" <drink@gnt.net> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > > news:c63ib0$6dp$1@news.utelfla.com...
> > > > > > > > > > Bill,
> > > > > > > > > > My manual steering box is shot and I have to replace
it
> > > > urgently.
> > > > > > > I'm
> > > > > > > > > > converting to a small block Chevy and NV4500 really soon
and
> > > > will
> > > > > > > convert
> > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > power steering but don't have the pump/brackets/hoses
yet.
> > The
> > > > > > > Caprice's
> > > > > > > > > > steering box appears the same, only a bit longer since
it's
> > > > power
> > > > > > > > > steering.
> > > > > > > > > > I'll get a correct box but this is all I have right now.
> > > > > > > > > > Can I put in the Caprice's power steering box for now
and
> > run
> > > > it
> > > > > > > like a
> > > > > > > > > > manual box without hurting the box or struggling without
the
> > > > pump's
> > > > > > > > > assist?
> > > > > > > > > > Any ideas on how to bypass the pump & reservoir? (I
have a
> > 2"
> > > > body
> > > > > > > lift
> > > > > > > > > if
> > > > > > > > > > that makes a difference.)
> > > > > > > > > > I know steering will by fast and touchy but the manual
box
> > is
> > > > just
> > > > > > > > > unsafe.
> > > > > > > > > > It's adjusted to the point that the nut barely has a
thread
> > to
> > > > hang
> > > > > > on
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > and still has about 1/2 a full turn on the steering
wheel of
> > > > play.
> > > > > > > Deep
> > > > > > > > > > wheel ruts on the road make me fishtail as I steer back
and
> > > > forth to
> > > > > > > keep
> > > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > under control so I stay under 45mph. When I pulled out
of a
> > > > parking
> > > > > > > lot
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > other day, something felt like it wanted to bind in the
> > gear.
> > > > I'm
> > > > > > > > > literally
> > > > > > > > > > on the verge of a "bind".
> > > > > > > > > > I really appreciate any advice I can get 'cause it's
my
> > daily
> > > > > > driver
> > > > > > > 4
> > > > > > > > > > miles to work.
> > > > > > > > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > > > > > > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > > > > > > > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > > > > > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > > > > > > > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > > > > > > > > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in
> > message
> > > > > > > > > > news:40819860.D2EF8586@***.net...
> > > > > > > > > > > Hi Jim,
> > > > > > > > > > > There's a zillion old Jeeps running around with
that
> > > > setup.
> > > > > > But
> > > > > > > I'd
> > > > > > > > > > > really try to keep it with the stock sized box, shafts
and
> > > > column,
> > > > > > > it'll
> > > > > > > > > > > probably save you time improvising, and a whole lot
easier
> > for
> > > > the
> > > > > > > next
> > > > > > > > > > > owner. There's also a big difference between passenger
and
> > > > Jeep
> > > > > > > steering
> > > > > > > > > > > ratios, three turns lock to lock is about twice as
fast a
> > > > Jeep.
> > > > > > > > > > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > > > > > > > > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Drink wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > I have an old tilt steering column (column shift),
> > shaft
> > > > and
> > > > > > > power
> > > > > > > > > > > > steering gear box from a Chevy caprice (model
unknown
> > but it
> > > > > > > looked
> > > > > > > > > late
> > > > > > > > > > > > 80's to very early 90's). I want to convert to
power
> > > > steering
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > tilt
> > > > > > > > > > > > would nice. I bought a Jeep power steering shaft.
> > > > > > > > > > > > Overall, the column is longer than my Jeep and the
> > shaft
> > > > is
> > > > > > much
> > > > > > > > > > shorter
> > > > > > > > > > > > than my stock. Does anybody know if I can use the
Chevy
> > > > tilt
> > > > > > > column
> > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > gear box in the Jeep if I have a new power steering
> > shaft?
> > > > > > > > > > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > > > > > > > > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > > > > > > > > > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > > > > > > > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > > > > > > > > > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > > > > > > > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in
message
> > > > > > > > > > > > news:407D7D8D.9F1F0A82@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > GM uses the same Saganaw steering column so you
have a
> > > > large
> > > > > > > choice
> > > > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > colors, tilt, etc. at the wreckers..
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Daudi wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ah. Yes. My wrangler is a 1987. The cherokee
being
> > > > parted
> > > > > > out
> > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > early
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 90's I believe. I actually haven't asked because
the
> > > > idea
> > > > > > just
> > > > > > > > > > recently
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > occured to me.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wrangler's use GM steering columns?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike Romain wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You need to give us some years and makes.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Apparently they changed the column from the
> > Saganaw
> > > > unit
> > > > > > > every
> > > > > > > > > GM
> > > > > > > > > > van,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Camaro, Chevette and pickup uses in the mid
90's
> > to
> > > > > > > something
> > > > > > > > > > else.
> > > > > > > > > > > > One
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > person that doesn't usually have accurate info
> > says it
> > > > was
> > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > 94,
> > > > > > > > > > but
> > > > > > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would suspect the change was with the TJ, not
in
> > the
> > > > > > middle
> > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > production run of the YJ's.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The GM units are a fast easy swap. A couple
bolts
> > > > under
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > dash,
> > > > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > couple at the firewall and one spline bolt
outside
> > the
> > > > > > > firewall.
> > > > > > > > > > You
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pull and out it comes.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose
to
> > tail
> > > > in
> > > > > > > '00
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Daudi wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>The adjustable steering column in my wrangler
is
> > very
> > > > > > loose;
> > > > > > > > > > sloppy
> > > > > > > > > > > > down
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>in the pivot, the joint. I am worried that it
may
> > come
> > > > > > apart
> > > > > > > > > some
> > > > > > > > > > day
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>when driving.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>I've had the steering wheel come off a car
when
> > > > driving
> > > > > > > (long,
> > > > > > > > > > long
> > > > > > > > > > > > ago
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>when we bought cars for $50) but that was easy
to
> > put
> > > > back
> > > > > > > on. A
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>separated U-joint down inside the steering
column
> > > > seems
> > > > > > like
> > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > would
> > > > > > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>more difficult to arrange.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>I can find a steering column from a parting
out
> > > > cherokee.
> > > > > > > Are
> > > > > > > > > they
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>interchangable?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
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Re: Power steering conversion
I'm considering getting a new AGR steering gearbox. Does anybody have any
good/bad experience with 'em? What's best for an on-road driver that gets
off-road every week or so? Box 1 has 16:1 and box 2 has variable rate of
17:1 to 13:1. I don't understand which rate is which (17 on road to keep
you from whipping across lanes inadvertently or off-road to give you power
in terrain). Pretty sure that someone here's got one and might've wished
they'd gotten the other.
Also, thinking of getting an '80-'86 version instead for my '76 CJ-7
maybe. The '80 and up version uses O-ring hoses (if that's better than
flared). Also, since I'm dropping in a Chevy small block, maybe O-ring
versions are more compatible.
What say ye all?
o_o_o_o
Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:4089F2FA.3E3A7EBA@***.net...
> The steering boxes are made my Saginaw I would say Chrysler, Ford
> and GM would all adapt to it, rather than the other way around.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Drink wrote:
> >
> > The only thing I need to figure out right now is what's the common
link
> > between GM pump and the steering box; flared end hose or O-ring.
Shouldn't
> > be too hard to get down.
> > o_o_o_o
> > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:40895B34.C0CF8BCE@sympatico.ca...
> > > I think the pump is the same one. It sure looks the same.... The
pump
> > > just has one hydraulic line, the other is just low pressure with hose
> > > clamps.
> > >
> > > I guess I would likely take the pump with me to the store to make sure
> > > before buying the line. Even if you went custom, it isn't a part that
> > > wears out often. My 86 one is still hanging in there....
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > > Drink wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I just talked with George from George's Jeeps in Mississippi (I
> > think).
> > > > Really good guy and very patient. Never had a problem getting
through
> > and
> > > > recommend him if you can't find a part.
> > > > Anyway, he said that the GM steering box I have has three mounting
> > bolts
> > > > (he's right) and the Jeep box has four so it won't work. Gotta go
check
> > to
> > > > make sure. It all sounds right. I'll just have to break down
(strange
> > > > choice of words:) and get the Jeep box from probably AGR. Then,
when I
> > have
> > > > the GM small block in place, I get the small block brackets and
power
> > > > steering pump/reservoir. That should do just fine to power the
steering
> > > > gear. The only thing I can think of are the hydraulic lines.
Anybody
> > got
> > > > any advice to make sure the hose ends are compatible? If worse
comes to
> > > > worst, I can get a pair made custom here locally but would rather be
> > able to
> > > > get an original set without having to custom make every time.
> > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > news:4085AF33.B38D4A84@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > The steering column is the part that is inside the Jeep cab. This
is
> > a
> > > > > Saganaw unit like the one the GM's use.
> > > > >
> > > > > The steering shaft is it's own part, same for the box. Likely
Jeep
> > > > > specific for those.
> > > > >
> > > > > So you 'can' still have tilt steering...
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike
> > > > >
> > > > > Drink wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Just got off the line with 4WDHardware and they told me the
> > following.
> > > > > > The only difference between the power/manual steering shaft is
> > that
> > > > the
> > > > > > input shaft to the box is 3/4in for the manual box and 13/16in
for
> > the
> > > > > > powered box. Length is identical.
> > > > > > The GM box I have has a much smaller input shaft with a peg
coming
> > out
> > > > the
> > > > > > end of the shaft so the Jeep shaft won't slip on regardless of
shaft
> > > > > > diameter. It looks as though I'll have to break down and bite
the
> > > > bullet to
> > > > > > buy a new Jeep box. I really wanted to go with an AGR box and
still
> > > > might;
> > > > > > having to put off the engine/tranny swap til I get a little more
> > money.
> > > > > > Anybody heard this about the shaft diameter for GM vice Jeep?
> > Having
> > > > that
> > > > > > tilt wheel would've been nice.
> > > > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > > > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > > > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > > > > "Drink" <drink@gnt.net> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:c63ohh$b5e$1@news.utelfla.com...
> > > > > > > Good idea, Mike. Didn't even consider a simple hose clamp
since
> > > > there's
> > > > > > > no pressure on the fluid. It's too simple. The original box
is
> > so
> > > > shot
> > > > > > > that a lightning fast lane change is where I'm at already.
The
> > only
> > > > > > > difference is that there's so much play that it does it on
it's
> > own:(
> > > > > > This
> > > > > > > is just a temporary fix in the interim 'til I can get the
other
> > > > drivetrain
> > > > > > > in and get the right pump, reservoir, etc. Is the steering
gonna
> > be
> > > > > > really
> > > > > > > hard like when you kill the engine with power steering or is
that
> > just
> > > > the
> > > > > > > drag of a non-turning pump?
> > > > > > > The Saginaw box appears identical to mine but I think it's
just
> > a
> > > > tad
> > > > > > bit
> > > > > > > extended to accommodate the hoses. I have both steering
columns
> > from
> > > > the
> > > > > > > Caprice and the Jeep and bought a power steering shaft to
boot.
> > If I
> > > > can,
> > > > > > > I'll use the tilt wheel column from the Caprice and the power
> > steering
> > > > > > shaft
> > > > > > > for the Jeep to connect to the gear box. Once the
drivetrain's
> > > > swapped
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > I know what brackets and pump I need, I'll finish by changing
the
> > > > steering
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > gear box. Maybe even a new AGR box.
> > > > > > > How's this all sound? Am I tracking right? Am I missing
> > something?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > > > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > > > > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > > > > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > > > > news:40855F2F.F0DFFE7E@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > > > > What Bill is saying makes sense about mixing 'car' boxes and
> > Jeep
> > > > boxes.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Someone else here has the same issue, the 'car' box is way
too
> > fast.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I really don't know what you should expect mixing them up.
The
> > > > other
> > > > > > > > poster sure doesn't like it. I now know what he was
complaining
> > > > about.
> > > > > > > > I was thinking he has a camber issue because his steering
won't
> > > > track
> > > > > > > > back straight after a turn. Or too short of a pinion arm,
but
> > he
> > > > > > > > checked and it is the same.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Now it makes more sense, the gear ratio is too tight to
allow it
> > to
> > > > > > > > track back straight by itself, it has to be pulled back. He
was
> > > > > > > > grumbling something about ditches and front lawns and lane
> > changes
> > > > > > > > faster than you can blink.....
> > > > > > > > I would run fluid in the power box if you do decide to use
it,
> > even
> > > > if
> > > > > > > > the power isn't there. I would just hook the output to the
> > input
> > > > with a
> > > > > > > > hose clamp.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I don't know what column you are playing with. The Saganaw
unit
> > > > that
> > > > > > > > the 80's GM have is exactly the same as the one in my 86
CJ7.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Drink wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Mike,
> > > > > > > > > I see that you're up this morning. Feel free to chime
in
> > with
> > > > your
> > > > > > > > > thoughts since the question's for anybody with insight.
> > > > > > > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > > > > > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > > > > > > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > > > > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > > > > > > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > > > > > > > "Drink" <drink@gnt.net> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > > news:c63ib0$6dp$1@news.utelfla.com...
> > > > > > > > > > Bill,
> > > > > > > > > > My manual steering box is shot and I have to replace
it
> > > > urgently.
> > > > > > > I'm
> > > > > > > > > > converting to a small block Chevy and NV4500 really soon
and
> > > > will
> > > > > > > convert
> > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > power steering but don't have the pump/brackets/hoses
yet.
> > The
> > > > > > > Caprice's
> > > > > > > > > > steering box appears the same, only a bit longer since
it's
> > > > power
> > > > > > > > > steering.
> > > > > > > > > > I'll get a correct box but this is all I have right now.
> > > > > > > > > > Can I put in the Caprice's power steering box for now
and
> > run
> > > > it
> > > > > > > like a
> > > > > > > > > > manual box without hurting the box or struggling without
the
> > > > pump's
> > > > > > > > > assist?
> > > > > > > > > > Any ideas on how to bypass the pump & reservoir? (I
have a
> > 2"
> > > > body
> > > > > > > lift
> > > > > > > > > if
> > > > > > > > > > that makes a difference.)
> > > > > > > > > > I know steering will by fast and touchy but the manual
box
> > is
> > > > just
> > > > > > > > > unsafe.
> > > > > > > > > > It's adjusted to the point that the nut barely has a
thread
> > to
> > > > hang
> > > > > > on
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > and still has about 1/2 a full turn on the steering
wheel of
> > > > play.
> > > > > > > Deep
> > > > > > > > > > wheel ruts on the road make me fishtail as I steer back
and
> > > > forth to
> > > > > > > keep
> > > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > under control so I stay under 45mph. When I pulled out
of a
> > > > parking
> > > > > > > lot
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > other day, something felt like it wanted to bind in the
> > gear.
> > > > I'm
> > > > > > > > > literally
> > > > > > > > > > on the verge of a "bind".
> > > > > > > > > > I really appreciate any advice I can get 'cause it's
my
> > daily
> > > > > > driver
> > > > > > > 4
> > > > > > > > > > miles to work.
> > > > > > > > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > > > > > > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > > > > > > > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > > > > > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > > > > > > > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > > > > > > > > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in
> > message
> > > > > > > > > > news:40819860.D2EF8586@***.net...
> > > > > > > > > > > Hi Jim,
> > > > > > > > > > > There's a zillion old Jeeps running around with
that
> > > > setup.
> > > > > > But
> > > > > > > I'd
> > > > > > > > > > > really try to keep it with the stock sized box, shafts
and
> > > > column,
> > > > > > > it'll
> > > > > > > > > > > probably save you time improvising, and a whole lot
easier
> > for
> > > > the
> > > > > > > next
> > > > > > > > > > > owner. There's also a big difference between passenger
and
> > > > Jeep
> > > > > > > steering
> > > > > > > > > > > ratios, three turns lock to lock is about twice as
fast a
> > > > Jeep.
> > > > > > > > > > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > > > > > > > > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Drink wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > I have an old tilt steering column (column shift),
> > shaft
> > > > and
> > > > > > > power
> > > > > > > > > > > > steering gear box from a Chevy caprice (model
unknown
> > but it
> > > > > > > looked
> > > > > > > > > late
> > > > > > > > > > > > 80's to very early 90's). I want to convert to
power
> > > > steering
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > tilt
> > > > > > > > > > > > would nice. I bought a Jeep power steering shaft.
> > > > > > > > > > > > Overall, the column is longer than my Jeep and the
> > shaft
> > > > is
> > > > > > much
> > > > > > > > > > shorter
> > > > > > > > > > > > than my stock. Does anybody know if I can use the
Chevy
> > > > tilt
> > > > > > > column
> > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > gear box in the Jeep if I have a new power steering
> > shaft?
> > > > > > > > > > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > > > > > > > > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > > > > > > > > > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > > > > > > > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > > > > > > > > > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > > > > > > > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in
message
> > > > > > > > > > > > news:407D7D8D.9F1F0A82@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > GM uses the same Saganaw steering column so you
have a
> > > > large
> > > > > > > choice
> > > > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > colors, tilt, etc. at the wreckers..
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Daudi wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ah. Yes. My wrangler is a 1987. The cherokee
being
> > > > parted
> > > > > > out
> > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > early
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 90's I believe. I actually haven't asked because
the
> > > > idea
> > > > > > just
> > > > > > > > > > recently
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > occured to me.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wrangler's use GM steering columns?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike Romain wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You need to give us some years and makes.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Apparently they changed the column from the
> > Saganaw
> > > > unit
> > > > > > > every
> > > > > > > > > GM
> > > > > > > > > > van,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Camaro, Chevette and pickup uses in the mid
90's
> > to
> > > > > > > something
> > > > > > > > > > else.
> > > > > > > > > > > > One
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > person that doesn't usually have accurate info
> > says it
> > > > was
> > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > 94,
> > > > > > > > > > but
> > > > > > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would suspect the change was with the TJ, not
in
> > the
> > > > > > middle
> > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > production run of the YJ's.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The GM units are a fast easy swap. A couple
bolts
> > > > under
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > dash,
> > > > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > couple at the firewall and one spline bolt
outside
> > the
> > > > > > > firewall.
> > > > > > > > > > You
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pull and out it comes.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose
to
> > tail
> > > > in
> > > > > > > '00
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Daudi wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>The adjustable steering column in my wrangler
is
> > very
> > > > > > loose;
> > > > > > > > > > sloppy
> > > > > > > > > > > > down
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>in the pivot, the joint. I am worried that it
may
> > come
> > > > > > apart
> > > > > > > > > some
> > > > > > > > > > day
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>when driving.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>I've had the steering wheel come off a car
when
> > > > driving
> > > > > > > (long,
> > > > > > > > > > long
> > > > > > > > > > > > ago
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>when we bought cars for $50) but that was easy
to
> > put
> > > > back
> > > > > > > on. A
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>separated U-joint down inside the steering
column
> > > > seems
> > > > > > like
> > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > would
> > > > > > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>more difficult to arrange.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>I can find a steering column from a parting
out
> > > > cherokee.
> > > > > > > Are
> > > > > > > > > they
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>interchangable?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
good/bad experience with 'em? What's best for an on-road driver that gets
off-road every week or so? Box 1 has 16:1 and box 2 has variable rate of
17:1 to 13:1. I don't understand which rate is which (17 on road to keep
you from whipping across lanes inadvertently or off-road to give you power
in terrain). Pretty sure that someone here's got one and might've wished
they'd gotten the other.
Also, thinking of getting an '80-'86 version instead for my '76 CJ-7
maybe. The '80 and up version uses O-ring hoses (if that's better than
flared). Also, since I'm dropping in a Chevy small block, maybe O-ring
versions are more compatible.
What say ye all?
o_o_o_o
Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:4089F2FA.3E3A7EBA@***.net...
> The steering boxes are made my Saginaw I would say Chrysler, Ford
> and GM would all adapt to it, rather than the other way around.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Drink wrote:
> >
> > The only thing I need to figure out right now is what's the common
link
> > between GM pump and the steering box; flared end hose or O-ring.
Shouldn't
> > be too hard to get down.
> > o_o_o_o
> > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:40895B34.C0CF8BCE@sympatico.ca...
> > > I think the pump is the same one. It sure looks the same.... The
pump
> > > just has one hydraulic line, the other is just low pressure with hose
> > > clamps.
> > >
> > > I guess I would likely take the pump with me to the store to make sure
> > > before buying the line. Even if you went custom, it isn't a part that
> > > wears out often. My 86 one is still hanging in there....
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > > Drink wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I just talked with George from George's Jeeps in Mississippi (I
> > think).
> > > > Really good guy and very patient. Never had a problem getting
through
> > and
> > > > recommend him if you can't find a part.
> > > > Anyway, he said that the GM steering box I have has three mounting
> > bolts
> > > > (he's right) and the Jeep box has four so it won't work. Gotta go
check
> > to
> > > > make sure. It all sounds right. I'll just have to break down
(strange
> > > > choice of words:) and get the Jeep box from probably AGR. Then,
when I
> > have
> > > > the GM small block in place, I get the small block brackets and
power
> > > > steering pump/reservoir. That should do just fine to power the
steering
> > > > gear. The only thing I can think of are the hydraulic lines.
Anybody
> > got
> > > > any advice to make sure the hose ends are compatible? If worse
comes to
> > > > worst, I can get a pair made custom here locally but would rather be
> > able to
> > > > get an original set without having to custom make every time.
> > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > news:4085AF33.B38D4A84@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > The steering column is the part that is inside the Jeep cab. This
is
> > a
> > > > > Saganaw unit like the one the GM's use.
> > > > >
> > > > > The steering shaft is it's own part, same for the box. Likely
Jeep
> > > > > specific for those.
> > > > >
> > > > > So you 'can' still have tilt steering...
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike
> > > > >
> > > > > Drink wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Just got off the line with 4WDHardware and they told me the
> > following.
> > > > > > The only difference between the power/manual steering shaft is
> > that
> > > > the
> > > > > > input shaft to the box is 3/4in for the manual box and 13/16in
for
> > the
> > > > > > powered box. Length is identical.
> > > > > > The GM box I have has a much smaller input shaft with a peg
coming
> > out
> > > > the
> > > > > > end of the shaft so the Jeep shaft won't slip on regardless of
shaft
> > > > > > diameter. It looks as though I'll have to break down and bite
the
> > > > bullet to
> > > > > > buy a new Jeep box. I really wanted to go with an AGR box and
still
> > > > might;
> > > > > > having to put off the engine/tranny swap til I get a little more
> > money.
> > > > > > Anybody heard this about the shaft diameter for GM vice Jeep?
> > Having
> > > > that
> > > > > > tilt wheel would've been nice.
> > > > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > > > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > > > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > > > > "Drink" <drink@gnt.net> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:c63ohh$b5e$1@news.utelfla.com...
> > > > > > > Good idea, Mike. Didn't even consider a simple hose clamp
since
> > > > there's
> > > > > > > no pressure on the fluid. It's too simple. The original box
is
> > so
> > > > shot
> > > > > > > that a lightning fast lane change is where I'm at already.
The
> > only
> > > > > > > difference is that there's so much play that it does it on
it's
> > own:(
> > > > > > This
> > > > > > > is just a temporary fix in the interim 'til I can get the
other
> > > > drivetrain
> > > > > > > in and get the right pump, reservoir, etc. Is the steering
gonna
> > be
> > > > > > really
> > > > > > > hard like when you kill the engine with power steering or is
that
> > just
> > > > the
> > > > > > > drag of a non-turning pump?
> > > > > > > The Saginaw box appears identical to mine but I think it's
just
> > a
> > > > tad
> > > > > > bit
> > > > > > > extended to accommodate the hoses. I have both steering
columns
> > from
> > > > the
> > > > > > > Caprice and the Jeep and bought a power steering shaft to
boot.
> > If I
> > > > can,
> > > > > > > I'll use the tilt wheel column from the Caprice and the power
> > steering
> > > > > > shaft
> > > > > > > for the Jeep to connect to the gear box. Once the
drivetrain's
> > > > swapped
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > I know what brackets and pump I need, I'll finish by changing
the
> > > > steering
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > gear box. Maybe even a new AGR box.
> > > > > > > How's this all sound? Am I tracking right? Am I missing
> > something?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > > > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > > > > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > > > > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > > > > news:40855F2F.F0DFFE7E@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > > > > What Bill is saying makes sense about mixing 'car' boxes and
> > Jeep
> > > > boxes.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Someone else here has the same issue, the 'car' box is way
too
> > fast.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I really don't know what you should expect mixing them up.
The
> > > > other
> > > > > > > > poster sure doesn't like it. I now know what he was
complaining
> > > > about.
> > > > > > > > I was thinking he has a camber issue because his steering
won't
> > > > track
> > > > > > > > back straight after a turn. Or too short of a pinion arm,
but
> > he
> > > > > > > > checked and it is the same.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Now it makes more sense, the gear ratio is too tight to
allow it
> > to
> > > > > > > > track back straight by itself, it has to be pulled back. He
was
> > > > > > > > grumbling something about ditches and front lawns and lane
> > changes
> > > > > > > > faster than you can blink.....
> > > > > > > > I would run fluid in the power box if you do decide to use
it,
> > even
> > > > if
> > > > > > > > the power isn't there. I would just hook the output to the
> > input
> > > > with a
> > > > > > > > hose clamp.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I don't know what column you are playing with. The Saganaw
unit
> > > > that
> > > > > > > > the 80's GM have is exactly the same as the one in my 86
CJ7.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Drink wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Mike,
> > > > > > > > > I see that you're up this morning. Feel free to chime
in
> > with
> > > > your
> > > > > > > > > thoughts since the question's for anybody with insight.
> > > > > > > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > > > > > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > > > > > > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > > > > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > > > > > > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > > > > > > > "Drink" <drink@gnt.net> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > > news:c63ib0$6dp$1@news.utelfla.com...
> > > > > > > > > > Bill,
> > > > > > > > > > My manual steering box is shot and I have to replace
it
> > > > urgently.
> > > > > > > I'm
> > > > > > > > > > converting to a small block Chevy and NV4500 really soon
and
> > > > will
> > > > > > > convert
> > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > power steering but don't have the pump/brackets/hoses
yet.
> > The
> > > > > > > Caprice's
> > > > > > > > > > steering box appears the same, only a bit longer since
it's
> > > > power
> > > > > > > > > steering.
> > > > > > > > > > I'll get a correct box but this is all I have right now.
> > > > > > > > > > Can I put in the Caprice's power steering box for now
and
> > run
> > > > it
> > > > > > > like a
> > > > > > > > > > manual box without hurting the box or struggling without
the
> > > > pump's
> > > > > > > > > assist?
> > > > > > > > > > Any ideas on how to bypass the pump & reservoir? (I
have a
> > 2"
> > > > body
> > > > > > > lift
> > > > > > > > > if
> > > > > > > > > > that makes a difference.)
> > > > > > > > > > I know steering will by fast and touchy but the manual
box
> > is
> > > > just
> > > > > > > > > unsafe.
> > > > > > > > > > It's adjusted to the point that the nut barely has a
thread
> > to
> > > > hang
> > > > > > on
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > and still has about 1/2 a full turn on the steering
wheel of
> > > > play.
> > > > > > > Deep
> > > > > > > > > > wheel ruts on the road make me fishtail as I steer back
and
> > > > forth to
> > > > > > > keep
> > > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > under control so I stay under 45mph. When I pulled out
of a
> > > > parking
> > > > > > > lot
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > other day, something felt like it wanted to bind in the
> > gear.
> > > > I'm
> > > > > > > > > literally
> > > > > > > > > > on the verge of a "bind".
> > > > > > > > > > I really appreciate any advice I can get 'cause it's
my
> > daily
> > > > > > driver
> > > > > > > 4
> > > > > > > > > > miles to work.
> > > > > > > > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > > > > > > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > > > > > > > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > > > > > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > > > > > > > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > > > > > > > > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in
> > message
> > > > > > > > > > news:40819860.D2EF8586@***.net...
> > > > > > > > > > > Hi Jim,
> > > > > > > > > > > There's a zillion old Jeeps running around with
that
> > > > setup.
> > > > > > But
> > > > > > > I'd
> > > > > > > > > > > really try to keep it with the stock sized box, shafts
and
> > > > column,
> > > > > > > it'll
> > > > > > > > > > > probably save you time improvising, and a whole lot
easier
> > for
> > > > the
> > > > > > > next
> > > > > > > > > > > owner. There's also a big difference between passenger
and
> > > > Jeep
> > > > > > > steering
> > > > > > > > > > > ratios, three turns lock to lock is about twice as
fast a
> > > > Jeep.
> > > > > > > > > > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > > > > > > > > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Drink wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > I have an old tilt steering column (column shift),
> > shaft
> > > > and
> > > > > > > power
> > > > > > > > > > > > steering gear box from a Chevy caprice (model
unknown
> > but it
> > > > > > > looked
> > > > > > > > > late
> > > > > > > > > > > > 80's to very early 90's). I want to convert to
power
> > > > steering
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > tilt
> > > > > > > > > > > > would nice. I bought a Jeep power steering shaft.
> > > > > > > > > > > > Overall, the column is longer than my Jeep and the
> > shaft
> > > > is
> > > > > > much
> > > > > > > > > > shorter
> > > > > > > > > > > > than my stock. Does anybody know if I can use the
Chevy
> > > > tilt
> > > > > > > column
> > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > gear box in the Jeep if I have a new power steering
> > shaft?
> > > > > > > > > > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > > > > > > > > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > > > > > > > > > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > > > > > > > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > > > > > > > > > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > > > > > > > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in
message
> > > > > > > > > > > > news:407D7D8D.9F1F0A82@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > GM uses the same Saganaw steering column so you
have a
> > > > large
> > > > > > > choice
> > > > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > colors, tilt, etc. at the wreckers..
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Daudi wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ah. Yes. My wrangler is a 1987. The cherokee
being
> > > > parted
> > > > > > out
> > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > early
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 90's I believe. I actually haven't asked because
the
> > > > idea
> > > > > > just
> > > > > > > > > > recently
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > occured to me.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wrangler's use GM steering columns?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike Romain wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You need to give us some years and makes.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Apparently they changed the column from the
> > Saganaw
> > > > unit
> > > > > > > every
> > > > > > > > > GM
> > > > > > > > > > van,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Camaro, Chevette and pickup uses in the mid
90's
> > to
> > > > > > > something
> > > > > > > > > > else.
> > > > > > > > > > > > One
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > person that doesn't usually have accurate info
> > says it
> > > > was
> > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > 94,
> > > > > > > > > > but
> > > > > > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would suspect the change was with the TJ, not
in
> > the
> > > > > > middle
> > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > production run of the YJ's.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The GM units are a fast easy swap. A couple
bolts
> > > > under
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > dash,
> > > > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > couple at the firewall and one spline bolt
outside
> > the
> > > > > > > firewall.
> > > > > > > > > > You
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pull and out it comes.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose
to
> > tail
> > > > in
> > > > > > > '00
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Daudi wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>The adjustable steering column in my wrangler
is
> > very
> > > > > > loose;
> > > > > > > > > > sloppy
> > > > > > > > > > > > down
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>in the pivot, the joint. I am worried that it
may
> > come
> > > > > > apart
> > > > > > > > > some
> > > > > > > > > > day
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>when driving.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>I've had the steering wheel come off a car
when
> > > > driving
> > > > > > > (long,
> > > > > > > > > > long
> > > > > > > > > > > > ago
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>when we bought cars for $50) but that was easy
to
> > put
> > > > back
> > > > > > > on. A
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>separated U-joint down inside the steering
column
> > > > seems
> > > > > > like
> > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > would
> > > > > > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>more difficult to arrange.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>I can find a steering column from a parting
out
> > > > cherokee.
> > > > > > > Are
> > > > > > > > > they
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>interchangable?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
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Re: Power steering conversion
I'm considering getting a new AGR steering gearbox. Does anybody have any
good/bad experience with 'em? What's best for an on-road driver that gets
off-road every week or so? Box 1 has 16:1 and box 2 has variable rate of
17:1 to 13:1. I don't understand which rate is which (17 on road to keep
you from whipping across lanes inadvertently or off-road to give you power
in terrain). Pretty sure that someone here's got one and might've wished
they'd gotten the other.
Also, thinking of getting an '80-'86 version instead for my '76 CJ-7
maybe. The '80 and up version uses O-ring hoses (if that's better than
flared). Also, since I'm dropping in a Chevy small block, maybe O-ring
versions are more compatible.
What say ye all?
o_o_o_o
Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:4089F2FA.3E3A7EBA@***.net...
> The steering boxes are made my Saginaw I would say Chrysler, Ford
> and GM would all adapt to it, rather than the other way around.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Drink wrote:
> >
> > The only thing I need to figure out right now is what's the common
link
> > between GM pump and the steering box; flared end hose or O-ring.
Shouldn't
> > be too hard to get down.
> > o_o_o_o
> > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:40895B34.C0CF8BCE@sympatico.ca...
> > > I think the pump is the same one. It sure looks the same.... The
pump
> > > just has one hydraulic line, the other is just low pressure with hose
> > > clamps.
> > >
> > > I guess I would likely take the pump with me to the store to make sure
> > > before buying the line. Even if you went custom, it isn't a part that
> > > wears out often. My 86 one is still hanging in there....
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > > Drink wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I just talked with George from George's Jeeps in Mississippi (I
> > think).
> > > > Really good guy and very patient. Never had a problem getting
through
> > and
> > > > recommend him if you can't find a part.
> > > > Anyway, he said that the GM steering box I have has three mounting
> > bolts
> > > > (he's right) and the Jeep box has four so it won't work. Gotta go
check
> > to
> > > > make sure. It all sounds right. I'll just have to break down
(strange
> > > > choice of words:) and get the Jeep box from probably AGR. Then,
when I
> > have
> > > > the GM small block in place, I get the small block brackets and
power
> > > > steering pump/reservoir. That should do just fine to power the
steering
> > > > gear. The only thing I can think of are the hydraulic lines.
Anybody
> > got
> > > > any advice to make sure the hose ends are compatible? If worse
comes to
> > > > worst, I can get a pair made custom here locally but would rather be
> > able to
> > > > get an original set without having to custom make every time.
> > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > news:4085AF33.B38D4A84@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > The steering column is the part that is inside the Jeep cab. This
is
> > a
> > > > > Saganaw unit like the one the GM's use.
> > > > >
> > > > > The steering shaft is it's own part, same for the box. Likely
Jeep
> > > > > specific for those.
> > > > >
> > > > > So you 'can' still have tilt steering...
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike
> > > > >
> > > > > Drink wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Just got off the line with 4WDHardware and they told me the
> > following.
> > > > > > The only difference between the power/manual steering shaft is
> > that
> > > > the
> > > > > > input shaft to the box is 3/4in for the manual box and 13/16in
for
> > the
> > > > > > powered box. Length is identical.
> > > > > > The GM box I have has a much smaller input shaft with a peg
coming
> > out
> > > > the
> > > > > > end of the shaft so the Jeep shaft won't slip on regardless of
shaft
> > > > > > diameter. It looks as though I'll have to break down and bite
the
> > > > bullet to
> > > > > > buy a new Jeep box. I really wanted to go with an AGR box and
still
> > > > might;
> > > > > > having to put off the engine/tranny swap til I get a little more
> > money.
> > > > > > Anybody heard this about the shaft diameter for GM vice Jeep?
> > Having
> > > > that
> > > > > > tilt wheel would've been nice.
> > > > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > > > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > > > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > > > > "Drink" <drink@gnt.net> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:c63ohh$b5e$1@news.utelfla.com...
> > > > > > > Good idea, Mike. Didn't even consider a simple hose clamp
since
> > > > there's
> > > > > > > no pressure on the fluid. It's too simple. The original box
is
> > so
> > > > shot
> > > > > > > that a lightning fast lane change is where I'm at already.
The
> > only
> > > > > > > difference is that there's so much play that it does it on
it's
> > own:(
> > > > > > This
> > > > > > > is just a temporary fix in the interim 'til I can get the
other
> > > > drivetrain
> > > > > > > in and get the right pump, reservoir, etc. Is the steering
gonna
> > be
> > > > > > really
> > > > > > > hard like when you kill the engine with power steering or is
that
> > just
> > > > the
> > > > > > > drag of a non-turning pump?
> > > > > > > The Saginaw box appears identical to mine but I think it's
just
> > a
> > > > tad
> > > > > > bit
> > > > > > > extended to accommodate the hoses. I have both steering
columns
> > from
> > > > the
> > > > > > > Caprice and the Jeep and bought a power steering shaft to
boot.
> > If I
> > > > can,
> > > > > > > I'll use the tilt wheel column from the Caprice and the power
> > steering
> > > > > > shaft
> > > > > > > for the Jeep to connect to the gear box. Once the
drivetrain's
> > > > swapped
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > I know what brackets and pump I need, I'll finish by changing
the
> > > > steering
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > gear box. Maybe even a new AGR box.
> > > > > > > How's this all sound? Am I tracking right? Am I missing
> > something?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > > > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > > > > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > > > > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > > > > news:40855F2F.F0DFFE7E@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > > > > What Bill is saying makes sense about mixing 'car' boxes and
> > Jeep
> > > > boxes.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Someone else here has the same issue, the 'car' box is way
too
> > fast.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I really don't know what you should expect mixing them up.
The
> > > > other
> > > > > > > > poster sure doesn't like it. I now know what he was
complaining
> > > > about.
> > > > > > > > I was thinking he has a camber issue because his steering
won't
> > > > track
> > > > > > > > back straight after a turn. Or too short of a pinion arm,
but
> > he
> > > > > > > > checked and it is the same.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Now it makes more sense, the gear ratio is too tight to
allow it
> > to
> > > > > > > > track back straight by itself, it has to be pulled back. He
was
> > > > > > > > grumbling something about ditches and front lawns and lane
> > changes
> > > > > > > > faster than you can blink.....
> > > > > > > > I would run fluid in the power box if you do decide to use
it,
> > even
> > > > if
> > > > > > > > the power isn't there. I would just hook the output to the
> > input
> > > > with a
> > > > > > > > hose clamp.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I don't know what column you are playing with. The Saganaw
unit
> > > > that
> > > > > > > > the 80's GM have is exactly the same as the one in my 86
CJ7.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Drink wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Mike,
> > > > > > > > > I see that you're up this morning. Feel free to chime
in
> > with
> > > > your
> > > > > > > > > thoughts since the question's for anybody with insight.
> > > > > > > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > > > > > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > > > > > > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > > > > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > > > > > > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > > > > > > > "Drink" <drink@gnt.net> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > > news:c63ib0$6dp$1@news.utelfla.com...
> > > > > > > > > > Bill,
> > > > > > > > > > My manual steering box is shot and I have to replace
it
> > > > urgently.
> > > > > > > I'm
> > > > > > > > > > converting to a small block Chevy and NV4500 really soon
and
> > > > will
> > > > > > > convert
> > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > power steering but don't have the pump/brackets/hoses
yet.
> > The
> > > > > > > Caprice's
> > > > > > > > > > steering box appears the same, only a bit longer since
it's
> > > > power
> > > > > > > > > steering.
> > > > > > > > > > I'll get a correct box but this is all I have right now.
> > > > > > > > > > Can I put in the Caprice's power steering box for now
and
> > run
> > > > it
> > > > > > > like a
> > > > > > > > > > manual box without hurting the box or struggling without
the
> > > > pump's
> > > > > > > > > assist?
> > > > > > > > > > Any ideas on how to bypass the pump & reservoir? (I
have a
> > 2"
> > > > body
> > > > > > > lift
> > > > > > > > > if
> > > > > > > > > > that makes a difference.)
> > > > > > > > > > I know steering will by fast and touchy but the manual
box
> > is
> > > > just
> > > > > > > > > unsafe.
> > > > > > > > > > It's adjusted to the point that the nut barely has a
thread
> > to
> > > > hang
> > > > > > on
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > and still has about 1/2 a full turn on the steering
wheel of
> > > > play.
> > > > > > > Deep
> > > > > > > > > > wheel ruts on the road make me fishtail as I steer back
and
> > > > forth to
> > > > > > > keep
> > > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > under control so I stay under 45mph. When I pulled out
of a
> > > > parking
> > > > > > > lot
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > other day, something felt like it wanted to bind in the
> > gear.
> > > > I'm
> > > > > > > > > literally
> > > > > > > > > > on the verge of a "bind".
> > > > > > > > > > I really appreciate any advice I can get 'cause it's
my
> > daily
> > > > > > driver
> > > > > > > 4
> > > > > > > > > > miles to work.
> > > > > > > > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > > > > > > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > > > > > > > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > > > > > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > > > > > > > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > > > > > > > > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in
> > message
> > > > > > > > > > news:40819860.D2EF8586@***.net...
> > > > > > > > > > > Hi Jim,
> > > > > > > > > > > There's a zillion old Jeeps running around with
that
> > > > setup.
> > > > > > But
> > > > > > > I'd
> > > > > > > > > > > really try to keep it with the stock sized box, shafts
and
> > > > column,
> > > > > > > it'll
> > > > > > > > > > > probably save you time improvising, and a whole lot
easier
> > for
> > > > the
> > > > > > > next
> > > > > > > > > > > owner. There's also a big difference between passenger
and
> > > > Jeep
> > > > > > > steering
> > > > > > > > > > > ratios, three turns lock to lock is about twice as
fast a
> > > > Jeep.
> > > > > > > > > > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > > > > > > > > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Drink wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > I have an old tilt steering column (column shift),
> > shaft
> > > > and
> > > > > > > power
> > > > > > > > > > > > steering gear box from a Chevy caprice (model
unknown
> > but it
> > > > > > > looked
> > > > > > > > > late
> > > > > > > > > > > > 80's to very early 90's). I want to convert to
power
> > > > steering
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > tilt
> > > > > > > > > > > > would nice. I bought a Jeep power steering shaft.
> > > > > > > > > > > > Overall, the column is longer than my Jeep and the
> > shaft
> > > > is
> > > > > > much
> > > > > > > > > > shorter
> > > > > > > > > > > > than my stock. Does anybody know if I can use the
Chevy
> > > > tilt
> > > > > > > column
> > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > gear box in the Jeep if I have a new power steering
> > shaft?
> > > > > > > > > > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > > > > > > > > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > > > > > > > > > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > > > > > > > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > > > > > > > > > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > > > > > > > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in
message
> > > > > > > > > > > > news:407D7D8D.9F1F0A82@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > GM uses the same Saganaw steering column so you
have a
> > > > large
> > > > > > > choice
> > > > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > colors, tilt, etc. at the wreckers..
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Daudi wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ah. Yes. My wrangler is a 1987. The cherokee
being
> > > > parted
> > > > > > out
> > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > early
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 90's I believe. I actually haven't asked because
the
> > > > idea
> > > > > > just
> > > > > > > > > > recently
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > occured to me.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wrangler's use GM steering columns?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike Romain wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You need to give us some years and makes.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Apparently they changed the column from the
> > Saganaw
> > > > unit
> > > > > > > every
> > > > > > > > > GM
> > > > > > > > > > van,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Camaro, Chevette and pickup uses in the mid
90's
> > to
> > > > > > > something
> > > > > > > > > > else.
> > > > > > > > > > > > One
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > person that doesn't usually have accurate info
> > says it
> > > > was
> > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > 94,
> > > > > > > > > > but
> > > > > > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would suspect the change was with the TJ, not
in
> > the
> > > > > > middle
> > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > production run of the YJ's.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The GM units are a fast easy swap. A couple
bolts
> > > > under
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > dash,
> > > > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > couple at the firewall and one spline bolt
outside
> > the
> > > > > > > firewall.
> > > > > > > > > > You
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pull and out it comes.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose
to
> > tail
> > > > in
> > > > > > > '00
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Daudi wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>The adjustable steering column in my wrangler
is
> > very
> > > > > > loose;
> > > > > > > > > > sloppy
> > > > > > > > > > > > down
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>in the pivot, the joint. I am worried that it
may
> > come
> > > > > > apart
> > > > > > > > > some
> > > > > > > > > > day
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>when driving.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>I've had the steering wheel come off a car
when
> > > > driving
> > > > > > > (long,
> > > > > > > > > > long
> > > > > > > > > > > > ago
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>when we bought cars for $50) but that was easy
to
> > put
> > > > back
> > > > > > > on. A
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>separated U-joint down inside the steering
column
> > > > seems
> > > > > > like
> > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > would
> > > > > > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>more difficult to arrange.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>I can find a steering column from a parting
out
> > > > cherokee.
> > > > > > > Are
> > > > > > > > > they
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>interchangable?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
good/bad experience with 'em? What's best for an on-road driver that gets
off-road every week or so? Box 1 has 16:1 and box 2 has variable rate of
17:1 to 13:1. I don't understand which rate is which (17 on road to keep
you from whipping across lanes inadvertently or off-road to give you power
in terrain). Pretty sure that someone here's got one and might've wished
they'd gotten the other.
Also, thinking of getting an '80-'86 version instead for my '76 CJ-7
maybe. The '80 and up version uses O-ring hoses (if that's better than
flared). Also, since I'm dropping in a Chevy small block, maybe O-ring
versions are more compatible.
What say ye all?
o_o_o_o
Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:4089F2FA.3E3A7EBA@***.net...
> The steering boxes are made my Saginaw I would say Chrysler, Ford
> and GM would all adapt to it, rather than the other way around.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Drink wrote:
> >
> > The only thing I need to figure out right now is what's the common
link
> > between GM pump and the steering box; flared end hose or O-ring.
Shouldn't
> > be too hard to get down.
> > o_o_o_o
> > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:40895B34.C0CF8BCE@sympatico.ca...
> > > I think the pump is the same one. It sure looks the same.... The
pump
> > > just has one hydraulic line, the other is just low pressure with hose
> > > clamps.
> > >
> > > I guess I would likely take the pump with me to the store to make sure
> > > before buying the line. Even if you went custom, it isn't a part that
> > > wears out often. My 86 one is still hanging in there....
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > > Drink wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I just talked with George from George's Jeeps in Mississippi (I
> > think).
> > > > Really good guy and very patient. Never had a problem getting
through
> > and
> > > > recommend him if you can't find a part.
> > > > Anyway, he said that the GM steering box I have has three mounting
> > bolts
> > > > (he's right) and the Jeep box has four so it won't work. Gotta go
check
> > to
> > > > make sure. It all sounds right. I'll just have to break down
(strange
> > > > choice of words:) and get the Jeep box from probably AGR. Then,
when I
> > have
> > > > the GM small block in place, I get the small block brackets and
power
> > > > steering pump/reservoir. That should do just fine to power the
steering
> > > > gear. The only thing I can think of are the hydraulic lines.
Anybody
> > got
> > > > any advice to make sure the hose ends are compatible? If worse
comes to
> > > > worst, I can get a pair made custom here locally but would rather be
> > able to
> > > > get an original set without having to custom make every time.
> > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > news:4085AF33.B38D4A84@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > The steering column is the part that is inside the Jeep cab. This
is
> > a
> > > > > Saganaw unit like the one the GM's use.
> > > > >
> > > > > The steering shaft is it's own part, same for the box. Likely
Jeep
> > > > > specific for those.
> > > > >
> > > > > So you 'can' still have tilt steering...
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike
> > > > >
> > > > > Drink wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Just got off the line with 4WDHardware and they told me the
> > following.
> > > > > > The only difference between the power/manual steering shaft is
> > that
> > > > the
> > > > > > input shaft to the box is 3/4in for the manual box and 13/16in
for
> > the
> > > > > > powered box. Length is identical.
> > > > > > The GM box I have has a much smaller input shaft with a peg
coming
> > out
> > > > the
> > > > > > end of the shaft so the Jeep shaft won't slip on regardless of
shaft
> > > > > > diameter. It looks as though I'll have to break down and bite
the
> > > > bullet to
> > > > > > buy a new Jeep box. I really wanted to go with an AGR box and
still
> > > > might;
> > > > > > having to put off the engine/tranny swap til I get a little more
> > money.
> > > > > > Anybody heard this about the shaft diameter for GM vice Jeep?
> > Having
> > > > that
> > > > > > tilt wheel would've been nice.
> > > > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > > > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > > > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > > > > "Drink" <drink@gnt.net> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:c63ohh$b5e$1@news.utelfla.com...
> > > > > > > Good idea, Mike. Didn't even consider a simple hose clamp
since
> > > > there's
> > > > > > > no pressure on the fluid. It's too simple. The original box
is
> > so
> > > > shot
> > > > > > > that a lightning fast lane change is where I'm at already.
The
> > only
> > > > > > > difference is that there's so much play that it does it on
it's
> > own:(
> > > > > > This
> > > > > > > is just a temporary fix in the interim 'til I can get the
other
> > > > drivetrain
> > > > > > > in and get the right pump, reservoir, etc. Is the steering
gonna
> > be
> > > > > > really
> > > > > > > hard like when you kill the engine with power steering or is
that
> > just
> > > > the
> > > > > > > drag of a non-turning pump?
> > > > > > > The Saginaw box appears identical to mine but I think it's
just
> > a
> > > > tad
> > > > > > bit
> > > > > > > extended to accommodate the hoses. I have both steering
columns
> > from
> > > > the
> > > > > > > Caprice and the Jeep and bought a power steering shaft to
boot.
> > If I
> > > > can,
> > > > > > > I'll use the tilt wheel column from the Caprice and the power
> > steering
> > > > > > shaft
> > > > > > > for the Jeep to connect to the gear box. Once the
drivetrain's
> > > > swapped
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > I know what brackets and pump I need, I'll finish by changing
the
> > > > steering
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > gear box. Maybe even a new AGR box.
> > > > > > > How's this all sound? Am I tracking right? Am I missing
> > something?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > > > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > > > > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > > > > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > > > > news:40855F2F.F0DFFE7E@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > > > > What Bill is saying makes sense about mixing 'car' boxes and
> > Jeep
> > > > boxes.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Someone else here has the same issue, the 'car' box is way
too
> > fast.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I really don't know what you should expect mixing them up.
The
> > > > other
> > > > > > > > poster sure doesn't like it. I now know what he was
complaining
> > > > about.
> > > > > > > > I was thinking he has a camber issue because his steering
won't
> > > > track
> > > > > > > > back straight after a turn. Or too short of a pinion arm,
but
> > he
> > > > > > > > checked and it is the same.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Now it makes more sense, the gear ratio is too tight to
allow it
> > to
> > > > > > > > track back straight by itself, it has to be pulled back. He
was
> > > > > > > > grumbling something about ditches and front lawns and lane
> > changes
> > > > > > > > faster than you can blink.....
> > > > > > > > I would run fluid in the power box if you do decide to use
it,
> > even
> > > > if
> > > > > > > > the power isn't there. I would just hook the output to the
> > input
> > > > with a
> > > > > > > > hose clamp.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I don't know what column you are playing with. The Saganaw
unit
> > > > that
> > > > > > > > the 80's GM have is exactly the same as the one in my 86
CJ7.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Drink wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Mike,
> > > > > > > > > I see that you're up this morning. Feel free to chime
in
> > with
> > > > your
> > > > > > > > > thoughts since the question's for anybody with insight.
> > > > > > > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > > > > > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > > > > > > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > > > > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > > > > > > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > > > > > > > "Drink" <drink@gnt.net> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > > news:c63ib0$6dp$1@news.utelfla.com...
> > > > > > > > > > Bill,
> > > > > > > > > > My manual steering box is shot and I have to replace
it
> > > > urgently.
> > > > > > > I'm
> > > > > > > > > > converting to a small block Chevy and NV4500 really soon
and
> > > > will
> > > > > > > convert
> > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > power steering but don't have the pump/brackets/hoses
yet.
> > The
> > > > > > > Caprice's
> > > > > > > > > > steering box appears the same, only a bit longer since
it's
> > > > power
> > > > > > > > > steering.
> > > > > > > > > > I'll get a correct box but this is all I have right now.
> > > > > > > > > > Can I put in the Caprice's power steering box for now
and
> > run
> > > > it
> > > > > > > like a
> > > > > > > > > > manual box without hurting the box or struggling without
the
> > > > pump's
> > > > > > > > > assist?
> > > > > > > > > > Any ideas on how to bypass the pump & reservoir? (I
have a
> > 2"
> > > > body
> > > > > > > lift
> > > > > > > > > if
> > > > > > > > > > that makes a difference.)
> > > > > > > > > > I know steering will by fast and touchy but the manual
box
> > is
> > > > just
> > > > > > > > > unsafe.
> > > > > > > > > > It's adjusted to the point that the nut barely has a
thread
> > to
> > > > hang
> > > > > > on
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > and still has about 1/2 a full turn on the steering
wheel of
> > > > play.
> > > > > > > Deep
> > > > > > > > > > wheel ruts on the road make me fishtail as I steer back
and
> > > > forth to
> > > > > > > keep
> > > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > under control so I stay under 45mph. When I pulled out
of a
> > > > parking
> > > > > > > lot
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > other day, something felt like it wanted to bind in the
> > gear.
> > > > I'm
> > > > > > > > > literally
> > > > > > > > > > on the verge of a "bind".
> > > > > > > > > > I really appreciate any advice I can get 'cause it's
my
> > daily
> > > > > > driver
> > > > > > > 4
> > > > > > > > > > miles to work.
> > > > > > > > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > > > > > > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > > > > > > > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > > > > > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > > > > > > > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > > > > > > > > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in
> > message
> > > > > > > > > > news:40819860.D2EF8586@***.net...
> > > > > > > > > > > Hi Jim,
> > > > > > > > > > > There's a zillion old Jeeps running around with
that
> > > > setup.
> > > > > > But
> > > > > > > I'd
> > > > > > > > > > > really try to keep it with the stock sized box, shafts
and
> > > > column,
> > > > > > > it'll
> > > > > > > > > > > probably save you time improvising, and a whole lot
easier
> > for
> > > > the
> > > > > > > next
> > > > > > > > > > > owner. There's also a big difference between passenger
and
> > > > Jeep
> > > > > > > steering
> > > > > > > > > > > ratios, three turns lock to lock is about twice as
fast a
> > > > Jeep.
> > > > > > > > > > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > > > > > > > > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Drink wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > I have an old tilt steering column (column shift),
> > shaft
> > > > and
> > > > > > > power
> > > > > > > > > > > > steering gear box from a Chevy caprice (model
unknown
> > but it
> > > > > > > looked
> > > > > > > > > late
> > > > > > > > > > > > 80's to very early 90's). I want to convert to
power
> > > > steering
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > tilt
> > > > > > > > > > > > would nice. I bought a Jeep power steering shaft.
> > > > > > > > > > > > Overall, the column is longer than my Jeep and the
> > shaft
> > > > is
> > > > > > much
> > > > > > > > > > shorter
> > > > > > > > > > > > than my stock. Does anybody know if I can use the
Chevy
> > > > tilt
> > > > > > > column
> > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > gear box in the Jeep if I have a new power steering
> > shaft?
> > > > > > > > > > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > > > > > > > > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > > > > > > > > > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > > > > > > > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > > > > > > > > > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > > > > > > > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in
message
> > > > > > > > > > > > news:407D7D8D.9F1F0A82@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > GM uses the same Saganaw steering column so you
have a
> > > > large
> > > > > > > choice
> > > > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > colors, tilt, etc. at the wreckers..
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Daudi wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ah. Yes. My wrangler is a 1987. The cherokee
being
> > > > parted
> > > > > > out
> > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > > early
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 90's I believe. I actually haven't asked because
the
> > > > idea
> > > > > > just
> > > > > > > > > > recently
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > occured to me.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wrangler's use GM steering columns?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike Romain wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You need to give us some years and makes.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Apparently they changed the column from the
> > Saganaw
> > > > unit
> > > > > > > every
> > > > > > > > > GM
> > > > > > > > > > van,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Camaro, Chevette and pickup uses in the mid
90's
> > to
> > > > > > > something
> > > > > > > > > > else.
> > > > > > > > > > > > One
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > person that doesn't usually have accurate info
> > says it
> > > > was
> > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > 94,
> > > > > > > > > > but
> > > > > > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would suspect the change was with the TJ, not
in
> > the
> > > > > > middle
> > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > production run of the YJ's.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The GM units are a fast easy swap. A couple
bolts
> > > > under
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > dash,
> > > > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > couple at the firewall and one spline bolt
outside
> > the
> > > > > > > firewall.
> > > > > > > > > > You
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pull and out it comes.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose
to
> > tail
> > > > in
> > > > > > > '00
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Daudi wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>The adjustable steering column in my wrangler
is
> > very
> > > > > > loose;
> > > > > > > > > > sloppy
> > > > > > > > > > > > down
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>in the pivot, the joint. I am worried that it
may
> > come
> > > > > > apart
> > > > > > > > > some
> > > > > > > > > > day
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>when driving.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>I've had the steering wheel come off a car
when
> > > > driving
> > > > > > > (long,
> > > > > > > > > > long
> > > > > > > > > > > > ago
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>when we bought cars for $50) but that was easy
to
> > put
> > > > back
> > > > > > > on. A
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>separated U-joint down inside the steering
column
> > > > seems
> > > > > > like
> > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > > would
> > > > > > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>more difficult to arrange.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>I can find a steering column from a parting
out
> > > > cherokee.
> > > > > > > Are
> > > > > > > > > they
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>interchangable?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
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Re: Power steering conversion
What do the ratios mean?
Mine has 4 turns point to point, so 4:1?
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
"L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
>
> Both those ratios are about twice what a passenger car would use.
> I don't think you'll find a choice of fittings, pretty much
> everything converted to O rings because they're cheaper.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Drink wrote:
> >
> > I'm considering getting a new AGR steering gearbox. Does anybody have any
> > good/bad experience with 'em? What's best for an on-road driver that gets
> > off-road every week or so? Box 1 has 16:1 and box 2 has variable rate of
> > 17:1 to 13:1. I don't understand which rate is which (17 on road to keep
> > you from whipping across lanes inadvertently or off-road to give you power
> > in terrain). Pretty sure that someone here's got one and might've wished
> > they'd gotten the other.
> > Also, thinking of getting an '80-'86 version instead for my '76 CJ-7
> > maybe. The '80 and up version uses O-ring hoses (if that's better than
> > flared). Also, since I'm dropping in a Chevy small block, maybe O-ring
> > versions are more compatible.
> > What say ye all?
> > o_o_o_o
> > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
Mine has 4 turns point to point, so 4:1?
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
"L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
>
> Both those ratios are about twice what a passenger car would use.
> I don't think you'll find a choice of fittings, pretty much
> everything converted to O rings because they're cheaper.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Drink wrote:
> >
> > I'm considering getting a new AGR steering gearbox. Does anybody have any
> > good/bad experience with 'em? What's best for an on-road driver that gets
> > off-road every week or so? Box 1 has 16:1 and box 2 has variable rate of
> > 17:1 to 13:1. I don't understand which rate is which (17 on road to keep
> > you from whipping across lanes inadvertently or off-road to give you power
> > in terrain). Pretty sure that someone here's got one and might've wished
> > they'd gotten the other.
> > Also, thinking of getting an '80-'86 version instead for my '76 CJ-7
> > maybe. The '80 and up version uses O-ring hoses (if that's better than
> > flared). Also, since I'm dropping in a Chevy small block, maybe O-ring
> > versions are more compatible.
> > What say ye all?
> > o_o_o_o
> > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
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Re: Power steering conversion
What do the ratios mean?
Mine has 4 turns point to point, so 4:1?
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
"L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
>
> Both those ratios are about twice what a passenger car would use.
> I don't think you'll find a choice of fittings, pretty much
> everything converted to O rings because they're cheaper.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Drink wrote:
> >
> > I'm considering getting a new AGR steering gearbox. Does anybody have any
> > good/bad experience with 'em? What's best for an on-road driver that gets
> > off-road every week or so? Box 1 has 16:1 and box 2 has variable rate of
> > 17:1 to 13:1. I don't understand which rate is which (17 on road to keep
> > you from whipping across lanes inadvertently or off-road to give you power
> > in terrain). Pretty sure that someone here's got one and might've wished
> > they'd gotten the other.
> > Also, thinking of getting an '80-'86 version instead for my '76 CJ-7
> > maybe. The '80 and up version uses O-ring hoses (if that's better than
> > flared). Also, since I'm dropping in a Chevy small block, maybe O-ring
> > versions are more compatible.
> > What say ye all?
> > o_o_o_o
> > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
Mine has 4 turns point to point, so 4:1?
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
"L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
>
> Both those ratios are about twice what a passenger car would use.
> I don't think you'll find a choice of fittings, pretty much
> everything converted to O rings because they're cheaper.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Drink wrote:
> >
> > I'm considering getting a new AGR steering gearbox. Does anybody have any
> > good/bad experience with 'em? What's best for an on-road driver that gets
> > off-road every week or so? Box 1 has 16:1 and box 2 has variable rate of
> > 17:1 to 13:1. I don't understand which rate is which (17 on road to keep
> > you from whipping across lanes inadvertently or off-road to give you power
> > in terrain). Pretty sure that someone here's got one and might've wished
> > they'd gotten the other.
> > Also, thinking of getting an '80-'86 version instead for my '76 CJ-7
> > maybe. The '80 and up version uses O-ring hoses (if that's better than
> > flared). Also, since I'm dropping in a Chevy small block, maybe O-ring
> > versions are more compatible.
> > What say ye all?
> > o_o_o_o
> > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
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Re: Power steering conversion
What do the ratios mean?
Mine has 4 turns point to point, so 4:1?
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
"L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
>
> Both those ratios are about twice what a passenger car would use.
> I don't think you'll find a choice of fittings, pretty much
> everything converted to O rings because they're cheaper.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Drink wrote:
> >
> > I'm considering getting a new AGR steering gearbox. Does anybody have any
> > good/bad experience with 'em? What's best for an on-road driver that gets
> > off-road every week or so? Box 1 has 16:1 and box 2 has variable rate of
> > 17:1 to 13:1. I don't understand which rate is which (17 on road to keep
> > you from whipping across lanes inadvertently or off-road to give you power
> > in terrain). Pretty sure that someone here's got one and might've wished
> > they'd gotten the other.
> > Also, thinking of getting an '80-'86 version instead for my '76 CJ-7
> > maybe. The '80 and up version uses O-ring hoses (if that's better than
> > flared). Also, since I'm dropping in a Chevy small block, maybe O-ring
> > versions are more compatible.
> > What say ye all?
> > o_o_o_o
> > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
Mine has 4 turns point to point, so 4:1?
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
"L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
>
> Both those ratios are about twice what a passenger car would use.
> I don't think you'll find a choice of fittings, pretty much
> everything converted to O rings because they're cheaper.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Drink wrote:
> >
> > I'm considering getting a new AGR steering gearbox. Does anybody have any
> > good/bad experience with 'em? What's best for an on-road driver that gets
> > off-road every week or so? Box 1 has 16:1 and box 2 has variable rate of
> > 17:1 to 13:1. I don't understand which rate is which (17 on road to keep
> > you from whipping across lanes inadvertently or off-road to give you power
> > in terrain). Pretty sure that someone here's got one and might've wished
> > they'd gotten the other.
> > Also, thinking of getting an '80-'86 version instead for my '76 CJ-7
> > maybe. The '80 and up version uses O-ring hoses (if that's better than
> > flared). Also, since I'm dropping in a Chevy small block, maybe O-ring
> > versions are more compatible.
> > What say ye all?
> > o_o_o_o
> > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
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Re: Power steering conversion
What do the ratios mean?
Mine has 4 turns point to point, so 4:1?
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
"L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
>
> Both those ratios are about twice what a passenger car would use.
> I don't think you'll find a choice of fittings, pretty much
> everything converted to O rings because they're cheaper.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Drink wrote:
> >
> > I'm considering getting a new AGR steering gearbox. Does anybody have any
> > good/bad experience with 'em? What's best for an on-road driver that gets
> > off-road every week or so? Box 1 has 16:1 and box 2 has variable rate of
> > 17:1 to 13:1. I don't understand which rate is which (17 on road to keep
> > you from whipping across lanes inadvertently or off-road to give you power
> > in terrain). Pretty sure that someone here's got one and might've wished
> > they'd gotten the other.
> > Also, thinking of getting an '80-'86 version instead for my '76 CJ-7
> > maybe. The '80 and up version uses O-ring hoses (if that's better than
> > flared). Also, since I'm dropping in a Chevy small block, maybe O-ring
> > versions are more compatible.
> > What say ye all?
> > o_o_o_o
> > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
Mine has 4 turns point to point, so 4:1?
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
"L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
>
> Both those ratios are about twice what a passenger car would use.
> I don't think you'll find a choice of fittings, pretty much
> everything converted to O rings because they're cheaper.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Drink wrote:
> >
> > I'm considering getting a new AGR steering gearbox. Does anybody have any
> > good/bad experience with 'em? What's best for an on-road driver that gets
> > off-road every week or so? Box 1 has 16:1 and box 2 has variable rate of
> > 17:1 to 13:1. I don't understand which rate is which (17 on road to keep
> > you from whipping across lanes inadvertently or off-road to give you power
> > in terrain). Pretty sure that someone here's got one and might've wished
> > they'd gotten the other.
> > Also, thinking of getting an '80-'86 version instead for my '76 CJ-7
> > maybe. The '80 and up version uses O-ring hoses (if that's better than
> > flared). Also, since I'm dropping in a Chevy small block, maybe O-ring
> > versions are more compatible.
> > What say ye all?
> > o_o_o_o
> > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
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Re: Power steering conversion
Both those ratios are about twice what a passenger car would use.
I don't think you'll find a choice of fittings, pretty much
everything converted to O rings because they're cheaper.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Drink wrote:
>
> I'm considering getting a new AGR steering gearbox. Does anybody have any
> good/bad experience with 'em? What's best for an on-road driver that gets
> off-road every week or so? Box 1 has 16:1 and box 2 has variable rate of
> 17:1 to 13:1. I don't understand which rate is which (17 on road to keep
> you from whipping across lanes inadvertently or off-road to give you power
> in terrain). Pretty sure that someone here's got one and might've wished
> they'd gotten the other.
> Also, thinking of getting an '80-'86 version instead for my '76 CJ-7
> maybe. The '80 and up version uses O-ring hoses (if that's better than
> flared). Also, since I'm dropping in a Chevy small block, maybe O-ring
> versions are more compatible.
> What say ye all?
> o_o_o_o
> Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
I don't think you'll find a choice of fittings, pretty much
everything converted to O rings because they're cheaper.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Drink wrote:
>
> I'm considering getting a new AGR steering gearbox. Does anybody have any
> good/bad experience with 'em? What's best for an on-road driver that gets
> off-road every week or so? Box 1 has 16:1 and box 2 has variable rate of
> 17:1 to 13:1. I don't understand which rate is which (17 on road to keep
> you from whipping across lanes inadvertently or off-road to give you power
> in terrain). Pretty sure that someone here's got one and might've wished
> they'd gotten the other.
> Also, thinking of getting an '80-'86 version instead for my '76 CJ-7
> maybe. The '80 and up version uses O-ring hoses (if that's better than
> flared). Also, since I'm dropping in a Chevy small block, maybe O-ring
> versions are more compatible.
> What say ye all?
> o_o_o_o
> Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
