Jeepster

On Wed, 14 Apr 2004 13:10:04 GMT, Daudi <Daudi@bounce.net> wrote:

>The adjustable steering column in my wrangler is very loose; sloppy down
>in the pivot, the joint. I am worried that it may come apart some day
>when driving.
>
>I've had the steering wheel come off a car when driving (long, long ago
>when we bought cars for $50) but that was easy to put back on. A
>separated U-joint down inside the steering column seems like it would be
>more difficult to arrange.
>
>I can find a steering column from a parting out cherokee. Are they
>interchangable?

Mine developed the same problem so I rebuilt it myself and it wasn't
that bad a job if you are patient. You will need a lock ring
compressor a pivot pin puller and a basic steering wheel puller, I
found all these tools at a local automotive shop. Mine was loose and
got worse when I did the 1" body lift, extending the streering shaft
exagerated the problem. I took mine apart documenting each step with
the digital camera and had only one problem, I bent the lock plate and
it rubbed when I turned corners but it was an easy fix.

These are step by step how to's
http://www.necoa.org/article95.html
http://www.gnttype.org/techarea/susp..._steering.html
http://www.ifsja.org/tech/steering/column.shtml

This is for a Fero but the column was the same as the one in my 87 YJ
http://www.fieros.de/en/articles/steering.html


Pictures of tools required.
http://www.skywaytools.com/autopg1.html
http://www.drivewerks.com/catalog/Sh...AT387_pg17.htm

Lee Ayrton

If he is talking about the joint in the engine compartment, it might not
be the U-joint. There's a bearing and a plastic retainer at the bottom of
the column tube that gives up the ghost. If it goes the steering shaft
gets wiggly. There's a repair kit for that.


On Wed, 14 Apr 2004, dave AKA vwdoc1 wrote:

> Are you talking about the steering column seems loose inside?
> You might be able to take it partially apart and tighten up those offending
> loose bolts.
> I have done that to my 82 Wagoneer and I think my 88 XJ was similar when I
> repaired damage due to an almost theft.
> Cheap and fast fix IF you have a few specialized tools.
> Now if you are talking about that joint/pivot in the engine compartment
> area.......don't read the above! ;-)
> later,
> dave AKA vwdoc1
>
>
> "Daudi" <Daudi@bounce.net> wrote in message
> news:8b5eee5e0430ad96df7febf513905e48@news.teranew s.com...
> > The adjustable steering column in my wrangler is very loose; sloppy down
> > in the pivot, the joint. I am worried that it may come apart some day
> > when driving.
> >
> > I've had the steering wheel come off a car when driving (long, long ago
> > when we bought cars for $50) but that was easy to put back on. A
> > separated U-joint down inside the steering column seems like it would be
> > more difficult to arrange.
> >
> > I can find a steering column from a parting out cherokee. Are they
> > interchangable?
> >
>
>
>

Lee Ayrton

If he is talking about the joint in the engine compartment, it might not
be the U-joint. There's a bearing and a plastic retainer at the bottom of
the column tube that gives up the ghost. If it goes the steering shaft
gets wiggly. There's a repair kit for that.


On Wed, 14 Apr 2004, dave AKA vwdoc1 wrote:

> Are you talking about the steering column seems loose inside?
> You might be able to take it partially apart and tighten up those offending
> loose bolts.
> I have done that to my 82 Wagoneer and I think my 88 XJ was similar when I
> repaired damage due to an almost theft.
> Cheap and fast fix IF you have a few specialized tools.
> Now if you are talking about that joint/pivot in the engine compartment
> area.......don't read the above! ;-)
> later,
> dave AKA vwdoc1
>
>
> "Daudi" <Daudi@bounce.net> wrote in message
> news:8b5eee5e0430ad96df7febf513905e48@news.teranew s.com...
> > The adjustable steering column in my wrangler is very loose; sloppy down
> > in the pivot, the joint. I am worried that it may come apart some day
> > when driving.
> >
> > I've had the steering wheel come off a car when driving (long, long ago
> > when we bought cars for $50) but that was easy to put back on. A
> > separated U-joint down inside the steering column seems like it would be
> > more difficult to arrange.
> >
> > I can find a steering column from a parting out cherokee. Are they
> > interchangable?
> >
>
>
>

Lee Ayrton

If he is talking about the joint in the engine compartment, it might not
be the U-joint. There's a bearing and a plastic retainer at the bottom of
the column tube that gives up the ghost. If it goes the steering shaft
gets wiggly. There's a repair kit for that.


On Wed, 14 Apr 2004, dave AKA vwdoc1 wrote:

> Are you talking about the steering column seems loose inside?
> You might be able to take it partially apart and tighten up those offending
> loose bolts.
> I have done that to my 82 Wagoneer and I think my 88 XJ was similar when I
> repaired damage due to an almost theft.
> Cheap and fast fix IF you have a few specialized tools.
> Now if you are talking about that joint/pivot in the engine compartment
> area.......don't read the above! ;-)
> later,
> dave AKA vwdoc1
>
>
> "Daudi" <Daudi@bounce.net> wrote in message
> news:8b5eee5e0430ad96df7febf513905e48@news.teranew s.com...
> > The adjustable steering column in my wrangler is very loose; sloppy down
> > in the pivot, the joint. I am worried that it may come apart some day
> > when driving.
> >
> > I've had the steering wheel come off a car when driving (long, long ago
> > when we bought cars for $50) but that was easy to put back on. A
> > separated U-joint down inside the steering column seems like it would be
> > more difficult to arrange.
> >
> > I can find a steering column from a parting out cherokee. Are they
> > interchangable?
> >
>
>
>

Lee Ayrton

If he is talking about the joint in the engine compartment, it might not
be the U-joint. There's a bearing and a plastic retainer at the bottom of
the column tube that gives up the ghost. If it goes the steering shaft
gets wiggly. There's a repair kit for that.


On Wed, 14 Apr 2004, dave AKA vwdoc1 wrote:

> Are you talking about the steering column seems loose inside?
> You might be able to take it partially apart and tighten up those offending
> loose bolts.
> I have done that to my 82 Wagoneer and I think my 88 XJ was similar when I
> repaired damage due to an almost theft.
> Cheap and fast fix IF you have a few specialized tools.
> Now if you are talking about that joint/pivot in the engine compartment
> area.......don't read the above! ;-)
> later,
> dave AKA vwdoc1
>
>
> "Daudi" <Daudi@bounce.net> wrote in message
> news:8b5eee5e0430ad96df7febf513905e48@news.teranew s.com...
> > The adjustable steering column in my wrangler is very loose; sloppy down
> > in the pivot, the joint. I am worried that it may come apart some day
> > when driving.
> >
> > I've had the steering wheel come off a car when driving (long, long ago
> > when we bought cars for $50) but that was easy to put back on. A
> > separated U-joint down inside the steering column seems like it would be
> > more difficult to arrange.
> >
> > I can find a steering column from a parting out cherokee. Are they
> > interchangable?
> >
>
>
>

Lee Ayrton

I haven't looked carefully to see if they are interchangable, but
externally the column on my `89 Cherokee /looks/ identical to the one on
my `79 CJ-5. Standard GM light truck column. I'd bet that any GM pickup
truck column, give or take a half-dozen or so model-years from yours,
would fit.

Beware: These things are made to go together on the assembly line, not
anywhere else. In my `79 there's a bracket up under the dash that holds
the column, the column is bolted through a pair of wedge-shaped spacers
that slide into slots in the bracket. If yours is like this, mark the
spacers for position and orientation before you take them out or it will
take you forever to get them back in the right way.


On Wed, 14 Apr 2004, Daudi wrote:

> Ah. Yes. My wrangler is a 1987. The cherokee being parted out is early
> 90's I believe. I actually haven't asked because the idea just recently
> occured to me.
>
> Wrangler's use GM steering columns?
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
>
> > You need to give us some years and makes.
> >
> > Apparently they changed the column from the Saganaw unit every GM van,
> > Camaro, Chevette and pickup uses in the mid 90's to something else. One
> > person that doesn't usually have accurate info says it was in 94, but I
> > would suspect the change was with the TJ, not in the middle of the
> > production run of the YJ's.
> >
> > The GM units are a fast easy swap. A couple bolts under the dash, a
> > couple at the firewall and one spline bolt outside the firewall. You
> > pull and out it comes.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > Daudi wrote:
> >
> >>The adjustable steering column in my wrangler is very loose; sloppy down
> >>in the pivot, the joint. I am worried that it may come apart some day
> >>when driving.
> >>
> >>I've had the steering wheel come off a car when driving (long, long ago
> >>when we bought cars for $50) but that was easy to put back on. A
> >>separated U-joint down inside the steering column seems like it would be
> >>more difficult to arrange.
> >>
> >>I can find a steering column from a parting out cherokee. Are they
> >>interchangable?
>
>

Lee Ayrton

I haven't looked carefully to see if they are interchangable, but
externally the column on my `89 Cherokee /looks/ identical to the one on
my `79 CJ-5. Standard GM light truck column. I'd bet that any GM pickup
truck column, give or take a half-dozen or so model-years from yours,
would fit.

Beware: These things are made to go together on the assembly line, not
anywhere else. In my `79 there's a bracket up under the dash that holds
the column, the column is bolted through a pair of wedge-shaped spacers
that slide into slots in the bracket. If yours is like this, mark the
spacers for position and orientation before you take them out or it will
take you forever to get them back in the right way.


On Wed, 14 Apr 2004, Daudi wrote:

> Ah. Yes. My wrangler is a 1987. The cherokee being parted out is early
> 90's I believe. I actually haven't asked because the idea just recently
> occured to me.
>
> Wrangler's use GM steering columns?
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
>
> > You need to give us some years and makes.
> >
> > Apparently they changed the column from the Saganaw unit every GM van,
> > Camaro, Chevette and pickup uses in the mid 90's to something else. One
> > person that doesn't usually have accurate info says it was in 94, but I
> > would suspect the change was with the TJ, not in the middle of the
> > production run of the YJ's.
> >
> > The GM units are a fast easy swap. A couple bolts under the dash, a
> > couple at the firewall and one spline bolt outside the firewall. You
> > pull and out it comes.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > Daudi wrote:
> >
> >>The adjustable steering column in my wrangler is very loose; sloppy down
> >>in the pivot, the joint. I am worried that it may come apart some day
> >>when driving.
> >>
> >>I've had the steering wheel come off a car when driving (long, long ago
> >>when we bought cars for $50) but that was easy to put back on. A
> >>separated U-joint down inside the steering column seems like it would be
> >>more difficult to arrange.
> >>
> >>I can find a steering column from a parting out cherokee. Are they
> >>interchangable?
>
>

Lee Ayrton

I haven't looked carefully to see if they are interchangable, but
externally the column on my `89 Cherokee /looks/ identical to the one on
my `79 CJ-5. Standard GM light truck column. I'd bet that any GM pickup
truck column, give or take a half-dozen or so model-years from yours,
would fit.

Beware: These things are made to go together on the assembly line, not
anywhere else. In my `79 there's a bracket up under the dash that holds
the column, the column is bolted through a pair of wedge-shaped spacers
that slide into slots in the bracket. If yours is like this, mark the
spacers for position and orientation before you take them out or it will
take you forever to get them back in the right way.


On Wed, 14 Apr 2004, Daudi wrote:

> Ah. Yes. My wrangler is a 1987. The cherokee being parted out is early
> 90's I believe. I actually haven't asked because the idea just recently
> occured to me.
>
> Wrangler's use GM steering columns?
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
>
> > You need to give us some years and makes.
> >
> > Apparently they changed the column from the Saganaw unit every GM van,
> > Camaro, Chevette and pickup uses in the mid 90's to something else. One
> > person that doesn't usually have accurate info says it was in 94, but I
> > would suspect the change was with the TJ, not in the middle of the
> > production run of the YJ's.
> >
> > The GM units are a fast easy swap. A couple bolts under the dash, a
> > couple at the firewall and one spline bolt outside the firewall. You
> > pull and out it comes.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > Daudi wrote:
> >
> >>The adjustable steering column in my wrangler is very loose; sloppy down
> >>in the pivot, the joint. I am worried that it may come apart some day
> >>when driving.
> >>
> >>I've had the steering wheel come off a car when driving (long, long ago
> >>when we bought cars for $50) but that was easy to put back on. A
> >>separated U-joint down inside the steering column seems like it would be
> >>more difficult to arrange.
> >>
> >>I can find a steering column from a parting out cherokee. Are they
> >>interchangable?
>
>

Lee Ayrton

I haven't looked carefully to see if they are interchangable, but
externally the column on my `89 Cherokee /looks/ identical to the one on
my `79 CJ-5. Standard GM light truck column. I'd bet that any GM pickup
truck column, give or take a half-dozen or so model-years from yours,
would fit.

Beware: These things are made to go together on the assembly line, not
anywhere else. In my `79 there's a bracket up under the dash that holds
the column, the column is bolted through a pair of wedge-shaped spacers
that slide into slots in the bracket. If yours is like this, mark the
spacers for position and orientation before you take them out or it will
take you forever to get them back in the right way.


On Wed, 14 Apr 2004, Daudi wrote:

> Ah. Yes. My wrangler is a 1987. The cherokee being parted out is early
> 90's I believe. I actually haven't asked because the idea just recently
> occured to me.
>
> Wrangler's use GM steering columns?
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
>
> > You need to give us some years and makes.
> >
> > Apparently they changed the column from the Saganaw unit every GM van,
> > Camaro, Chevette and pickup uses in the mid 90's to something else. One
> > person that doesn't usually have accurate info says it was in 94, but I
> > would suspect the change was with the TJ, not in the middle of the
> > production run of the YJ's.
> >
> > The GM units are a fast easy swap. A couple bolts under the dash, a
> > couple at the firewall and one spline bolt outside the firewall. You
> > pull and out it comes.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > Daudi wrote:
> >
> >>The adjustable steering column in my wrangler is very loose; sloppy down
> >>in the pivot, the joint. I am worried that it may come apart some day
> >>when driving.
> >>
> >>I've had the steering wheel come off a car when driving (long, long ago
> >>when we bought cars for $50) but that was easy to put back on. A
> >>separated U-joint down inside the steering column seems like it would be
> >>more difficult to arrange.
> >>
> >>I can find a steering column from a parting out cherokee. Are they
> >>interchangable?
>
>

Drink

I have an old tilt steering column (column shift), shaft and power
steering gear box from a Chevy caprice (model unknown but it looked late
80's to very early 90's). I want to convert to power steering and the tilt
would nice. I bought a Jeep power steering shaft.
Overall, the column is longer than my Jeep and the shaft is much shorter
than my stock. Does anybody know if I can use the Chevy tilt column and
gear box in the Jeep if I have a new power steering shaft?
o_o_o_o
Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
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"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:407D7D8D.9F1F0A82@sympatico.ca...
> GM uses the same Saganaw steering column so you have a large choice for
> colors, tilt, etc. at the wreckers..
>
> Mike
>
>
> Daudi wrote:
> >
> > Ah. Yes. My wrangler is a 1987. The cherokee being parted out is early
> > 90's I believe. I actually haven't asked because the idea just recently
> > occured to me.
> >
> > Wrangler's use GM steering columns?
> >
> > Mike Romain wrote:
> >
> > > You need to give us some years and makes.
> > >
> > > Apparently they changed the column from the Saganaw unit every GM van,
> > > Camaro, Chevette and pickup uses in the mid 90's to something else.
One
> > > person that doesn't usually have accurate info says it was in 94, but
I
> > > would suspect the change was with the TJ, not in the middle of the
> > > production run of the YJ's.
> > >
> > > The GM units are a fast easy swap. A couple bolts under the dash, a
> > > couple at the firewall and one spline bolt outside the firewall. You
> > > pull and out it comes.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > >
> > > Daudi wrote:
> > >
> > >>The adjustable steering column in my wrangler is very loose; sloppy
down
> > >>in the pivot, the joint. I am worried that it may come apart some day
> > >>when driving.
> > >>
> > >>I've had the steering wheel come off a car when driving (long, long
ago
> > >>when we bought cars for $50) but that was easy to put back on. A
> > >>separated U-joint down inside the steering column seems like it would
be
> > >>more difficult to arrange.
> > >>
> > >>I can find a steering column from a parting out cherokee. Are they
> > >>interchangable?