steering columns- cherokee to wrangler?
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Re: steering columns- cherokee to wrangler?
Good idea, Mike. Didn't even consider a simple hose clamp since there's
no pressure on the fluid. It's too simple. The original box is so shot
that a lightning fast lane change is where I'm at already. The only
difference is that there's so much play that it does it on it's own:( This
is just a temporary fix in the interim 'til I can get the other drivetrain
in and get the right pump, reservoir, etc. Is the steering gonna be really
hard like when you kill the engine with power steering or is that just the
drag of a non-turning pump?
The Saginaw box appears identical to mine but I think it's just a tad bit
extended to accommodate the hoses. I have both steering columns from the
Caprice and the Jeep and bought a power steering shaft to boot. If I can,
I'll use the tilt wheel column from the Caprice and the power steering shaft
for the Jeep to connect to the gear box. Once the drivetrain's swapped and
I know what brackets and pump I need, I'll finish by changing the steering
gear box. Maybe even a new AGR box.
How's this all sound? Am I tracking right? Am I missing something?
--
o_o_o_o
Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:40855F2F.F0DFFE7E@sympatico.ca...
> What Bill is saying makes sense about mixing 'car' boxes and Jeep boxes.
>
> Someone else here has the same issue, the 'car' box is way too fast.
>
> I really don't know what you should expect mixing them up. The other
> poster sure doesn't like it. I now know what he was complaining about.
> I was thinking he has a camber issue because his steering won't track
> back straight after a turn. Or too short of a pinion arm, but he
> checked and it is the same.
>
> Now it makes more sense, the gear ratio is too tight to allow it to
> track back straight by itself, it has to be pulled back. He was
> grumbling something about ditches and front lawns and lane changes
> faster than you can blink.....
> I would run fluid in the power box if you do decide to use it, even if
> the power isn't there. I would just hook the output to the input with a
> hose clamp.
>
> I don't know what column you are playing with. The Saganaw unit that
> the 80's GM have is exactly the same as the one in my 86 CJ7.
>
> Mike
>
> Drink wrote:
> >
> > Mike,
> > I see that you're up this morning. Feel free to chime in with your
> > thoughts since the question's for anybody with insight.
> > o_o_o_o
> > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > "Drink" <drink@gnt.net> wrote in message
> > news:c63ib0$6dp$1@news.utelfla.com...
> > > Bill,
> > > My manual steering box is shot and I have to replace it urgently.
I'm
> > > converting to a small block Chevy and NV4500 really soon and will
convert
> > to
> > > power steering but don't have the pump/brackets/hoses yet. The
Caprice's
> > > steering box appears the same, only a bit longer since it's power
> > steering.
> > > I'll get a correct box but this is all I have right now.
> > > Can I put in the Caprice's power steering box for now and run it
like a
> > > manual box without hurting the box or struggling without the pump's
> > assist?
> > > Any ideas on how to bypass the pump & reservoir? (I have a 2" body
lift
> > if
> > > that makes a difference.)
> > > I know steering will by fast and touchy but the manual box is just
> > unsafe.
> > > It's adjusted to the point that the nut barely has a thread to hang on
to
> > > and still has about 1/2 a full turn on the steering wheel of play.
Deep
> > > wheel ruts on the road make me fishtail as I steer back and forth to
keep
> > it
> > > under control so I stay under 45mph. When I pulled out of a parking
lot
> > the
> > > other day, something felt like it wanted to bind in the gear. I'm
> > literally
> > > on the verge of a "bind".
> > > I really appreciate any advice I can get 'cause it's my daily driver
4
> > > miles to work.
> > > o_o_o_o
> > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > > news:40819860.D2EF8586@***.net...
> > > > Hi Jim,
> > > > There's a zillion old Jeeps running around with that setup. But
I'd
> > > > really try to keep it with the stock sized box, shafts and column,
it'll
> > > > probably save you time improvising, and a whole lot easier for the
next
> > > > owner. There's also a big difference between passenger and Jeep
steering
> > > > ratios, three turns lock to lock is about twice as fast a Jeep.
> > > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > > >
> > > > Drink wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I have an old tilt steering column (column shift), shaft and
power
> > > > > steering gear box from a Chevy caprice (model unknown but it
looked
> > late
> > > > > 80's to very early 90's). I want to convert to power steering and
the
> > > tilt
> > > > > would nice. I bought a Jeep power steering shaft.
> > > > > Overall, the column is longer than my Jeep and the shaft is much
> > > shorter
> > > > > than my stock. Does anybody know if I can use the Chevy tilt
column
> > and
> > > > > gear box in the Jeep if I have a new power steering shaft?
> > > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > > news:407D7D8D.9F1F0A82@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > > GM uses the same Saganaw steering column so you have a large
choice
> > > for
> > > > > > colors, tilt, etc. at the wreckers..
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mike
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Daudi wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Ah. Yes. My wrangler is a 1987. The cherokee being parted out
is
> > > early
> > > > > > > 90's I believe. I actually haven't asked because the idea just
> > > recently
> > > > > > > occured to me.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Wrangler's use GM steering columns?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Mike Romain wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > You need to give us some years and makes.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Apparently they changed the column from the Saganaw unit
every
> > GM
> > > van,
> > > > > > > > Camaro, Chevette and pickup uses in the mid 90's to
something
> > > else.
> > > > > One
> > > > > > > > person that doesn't usually have accurate info says it was
in
> > 94,
> > > but
> > > > > I
> > > > > > > > would suspect the change was with the TJ, not in the middle
of
> > the
> > > > > > > > production run of the YJ's.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The GM units are a fast easy swap. A couple bolts under the
> > dash,
> > > a
> > > > > > > > couple at the firewall and one spline bolt outside the
firewall.
> > > You
> > > > > > > > pull and out it comes.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in
'00
> > > > > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Daudi wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >>The adjustable steering column in my wrangler is very loose;
> > > sloppy
> > > > > down
> > > > > > > >>in the pivot, the joint. I am worried that it may come apart
> > some
> > > day
> > > > > > > >>when driving.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >>I've had the steering wheel come off a car when driving
(long,
> > > long
> > > > > ago
> > > > > > > >>when we bought cars for $50) but that was easy to put back
on. A
> > > > > > > >>separated U-joint down inside the steering column seems like
it
> > > would
> > > > > be
> > > > > > > >>more difficult to arrange.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >>I can find a steering column from a parting out cherokee.
Are
> > they
> > > > > > > >>interchangable?
> > >
> > >
no pressure on the fluid. It's too simple. The original box is so shot
that a lightning fast lane change is where I'm at already. The only
difference is that there's so much play that it does it on it's own:( This
is just a temporary fix in the interim 'til I can get the other drivetrain
in and get the right pump, reservoir, etc. Is the steering gonna be really
hard like when you kill the engine with power steering or is that just the
drag of a non-turning pump?
The Saginaw box appears identical to mine but I think it's just a tad bit
extended to accommodate the hoses. I have both steering columns from the
Caprice and the Jeep and bought a power steering shaft to boot. If I can,
I'll use the tilt wheel column from the Caprice and the power steering shaft
for the Jeep to connect to the gear box. Once the drivetrain's swapped and
I know what brackets and pump I need, I'll finish by changing the steering
gear box. Maybe even a new AGR box.
How's this all sound? Am I tracking right? Am I missing something?
--
o_o_o_o
Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:40855F2F.F0DFFE7E@sympatico.ca...
> What Bill is saying makes sense about mixing 'car' boxes and Jeep boxes.
>
> Someone else here has the same issue, the 'car' box is way too fast.
>
> I really don't know what you should expect mixing them up. The other
> poster sure doesn't like it. I now know what he was complaining about.
> I was thinking he has a camber issue because his steering won't track
> back straight after a turn. Or too short of a pinion arm, but he
> checked and it is the same.
>
> Now it makes more sense, the gear ratio is too tight to allow it to
> track back straight by itself, it has to be pulled back. He was
> grumbling something about ditches and front lawns and lane changes
> faster than you can blink.....
> I would run fluid in the power box if you do decide to use it, even if
> the power isn't there. I would just hook the output to the input with a
> hose clamp.
>
> I don't know what column you are playing with. The Saganaw unit that
> the 80's GM have is exactly the same as the one in my 86 CJ7.
>
> Mike
>
> Drink wrote:
> >
> > Mike,
> > I see that you're up this morning. Feel free to chime in with your
> > thoughts since the question's for anybody with insight.
> > o_o_o_o
> > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > "Drink" <drink@gnt.net> wrote in message
> > news:c63ib0$6dp$1@news.utelfla.com...
> > > Bill,
> > > My manual steering box is shot and I have to replace it urgently.
I'm
> > > converting to a small block Chevy and NV4500 really soon and will
convert
> > to
> > > power steering but don't have the pump/brackets/hoses yet. The
Caprice's
> > > steering box appears the same, only a bit longer since it's power
> > steering.
> > > I'll get a correct box but this is all I have right now.
> > > Can I put in the Caprice's power steering box for now and run it
like a
> > > manual box without hurting the box or struggling without the pump's
> > assist?
> > > Any ideas on how to bypass the pump & reservoir? (I have a 2" body
lift
> > if
> > > that makes a difference.)
> > > I know steering will by fast and touchy but the manual box is just
> > unsafe.
> > > It's adjusted to the point that the nut barely has a thread to hang on
to
> > > and still has about 1/2 a full turn on the steering wheel of play.
Deep
> > > wheel ruts on the road make me fishtail as I steer back and forth to
keep
> > it
> > > under control so I stay under 45mph. When I pulled out of a parking
lot
> > the
> > > other day, something felt like it wanted to bind in the gear. I'm
> > literally
> > > on the verge of a "bind".
> > > I really appreciate any advice I can get 'cause it's my daily driver
4
> > > miles to work.
> > > o_o_o_o
> > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > > news:40819860.D2EF8586@***.net...
> > > > Hi Jim,
> > > > There's a zillion old Jeeps running around with that setup. But
I'd
> > > > really try to keep it with the stock sized box, shafts and column,
it'll
> > > > probably save you time improvising, and a whole lot easier for the
next
> > > > owner. There's also a big difference between passenger and Jeep
steering
> > > > ratios, three turns lock to lock is about twice as fast a Jeep.
> > > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > > >
> > > > Drink wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I have an old tilt steering column (column shift), shaft and
power
> > > > > steering gear box from a Chevy caprice (model unknown but it
looked
> > late
> > > > > 80's to very early 90's). I want to convert to power steering and
the
> > > tilt
> > > > > would nice. I bought a Jeep power steering shaft.
> > > > > Overall, the column is longer than my Jeep and the shaft is much
> > > shorter
> > > > > than my stock. Does anybody know if I can use the Chevy tilt
column
> > and
> > > > > gear box in the Jeep if I have a new power steering shaft?
> > > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > > news:407D7D8D.9F1F0A82@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > > GM uses the same Saganaw steering column so you have a large
choice
> > > for
> > > > > > colors, tilt, etc. at the wreckers..
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mike
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Daudi wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Ah. Yes. My wrangler is a 1987. The cherokee being parted out
is
> > > early
> > > > > > > 90's I believe. I actually haven't asked because the idea just
> > > recently
> > > > > > > occured to me.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Wrangler's use GM steering columns?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Mike Romain wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > You need to give us some years and makes.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Apparently they changed the column from the Saganaw unit
every
> > GM
> > > van,
> > > > > > > > Camaro, Chevette and pickup uses in the mid 90's to
something
> > > else.
> > > > > One
> > > > > > > > person that doesn't usually have accurate info says it was
in
> > 94,
> > > but
> > > > > I
> > > > > > > > would suspect the change was with the TJ, not in the middle
of
> > the
> > > > > > > > production run of the YJ's.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The GM units are a fast easy swap. A couple bolts under the
> > dash,
> > > a
> > > > > > > > couple at the firewall and one spline bolt outside the
firewall.
> > > You
> > > > > > > > pull and out it comes.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in
'00
> > > > > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Daudi wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >>The adjustable steering column in my wrangler is very loose;
> > > sloppy
> > > > > down
> > > > > > > >>in the pivot, the joint. I am worried that it may come apart
> > some
> > > day
> > > > > > > >>when driving.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >>I've had the steering wheel come off a car when driving
(long,
> > > long
> > > > > ago
> > > > > > > >>when we bought cars for $50) but that was easy to put back
on. A
> > > > > > > >>separated U-joint down inside the steering column seems like
it
> > > would
> > > > > be
> > > > > > > >>more difficult to arrange.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >>I can find a steering column from a parting out cherokee.
Are
> > they
> > > > > > > >>interchangable?
> > >
> > >
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Re: steering columns- cherokee to wrangler?
Good idea, Mike. Didn't even consider a simple hose clamp since there's
no pressure on the fluid. It's too simple. The original box is so shot
that a lightning fast lane change is where I'm at already. The only
difference is that there's so much play that it does it on it's own:( This
is just a temporary fix in the interim 'til I can get the other drivetrain
in and get the right pump, reservoir, etc. Is the steering gonna be really
hard like when you kill the engine with power steering or is that just the
drag of a non-turning pump?
The Saginaw box appears identical to mine but I think it's just a tad bit
extended to accommodate the hoses. I have both steering columns from the
Caprice and the Jeep and bought a power steering shaft to boot. If I can,
I'll use the tilt wheel column from the Caprice and the power steering shaft
for the Jeep to connect to the gear box. Once the drivetrain's swapped and
I know what brackets and pump I need, I'll finish by changing the steering
gear box. Maybe even a new AGR box.
How's this all sound? Am I tracking right? Am I missing something?
--
o_o_o_o
Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:40855F2F.F0DFFE7E@sympatico.ca...
> What Bill is saying makes sense about mixing 'car' boxes and Jeep boxes.
>
> Someone else here has the same issue, the 'car' box is way too fast.
>
> I really don't know what you should expect mixing them up. The other
> poster sure doesn't like it. I now know what he was complaining about.
> I was thinking he has a camber issue because his steering won't track
> back straight after a turn. Or too short of a pinion arm, but he
> checked and it is the same.
>
> Now it makes more sense, the gear ratio is too tight to allow it to
> track back straight by itself, it has to be pulled back. He was
> grumbling something about ditches and front lawns and lane changes
> faster than you can blink.....
> I would run fluid in the power box if you do decide to use it, even if
> the power isn't there. I would just hook the output to the input with a
> hose clamp.
>
> I don't know what column you are playing with. The Saganaw unit that
> the 80's GM have is exactly the same as the one in my 86 CJ7.
>
> Mike
>
> Drink wrote:
> >
> > Mike,
> > I see that you're up this morning. Feel free to chime in with your
> > thoughts since the question's for anybody with insight.
> > o_o_o_o
> > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > "Drink" <drink@gnt.net> wrote in message
> > news:c63ib0$6dp$1@news.utelfla.com...
> > > Bill,
> > > My manual steering box is shot and I have to replace it urgently.
I'm
> > > converting to a small block Chevy and NV4500 really soon and will
convert
> > to
> > > power steering but don't have the pump/brackets/hoses yet. The
Caprice's
> > > steering box appears the same, only a bit longer since it's power
> > steering.
> > > I'll get a correct box but this is all I have right now.
> > > Can I put in the Caprice's power steering box for now and run it
like a
> > > manual box without hurting the box or struggling without the pump's
> > assist?
> > > Any ideas on how to bypass the pump & reservoir? (I have a 2" body
lift
> > if
> > > that makes a difference.)
> > > I know steering will by fast and touchy but the manual box is just
> > unsafe.
> > > It's adjusted to the point that the nut barely has a thread to hang on
to
> > > and still has about 1/2 a full turn on the steering wheel of play.
Deep
> > > wheel ruts on the road make me fishtail as I steer back and forth to
keep
> > it
> > > under control so I stay under 45mph. When I pulled out of a parking
lot
> > the
> > > other day, something felt like it wanted to bind in the gear. I'm
> > literally
> > > on the verge of a "bind".
> > > I really appreciate any advice I can get 'cause it's my daily driver
4
> > > miles to work.
> > > o_o_o_o
> > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > > news:40819860.D2EF8586@***.net...
> > > > Hi Jim,
> > > > There's a zillion old Jeeps running around with that setup. But
I'd
> > > > really try to keep it with the stock sized box, shafts and column,
it'll
> > > > probably save you time improvising, and a whole lot easier for the
next
> > > > owner. There's also a big difference between passenger and Jeep
steering
> > > > ratios, three turns lock to lock is about twice as fast a Jeep.
> > > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > > >
> > > > Drink wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I have an old tilt steering column (column shift), shaft and
power
> > > > > steering gear box from a Chevy caprice (model unknown but it
looked
> > late
> > > > > 80's to very early 90's). I want to convert to power steering and
the
> > > tilt
> > > > > would nice. I bought a Jeep power steering shaft.
> > > > > Overall, the column is longer than my Jeep and the shaft is much
> > > shorter
> > > > > than my stock. Does anybody know if I can use the Chevy tilt
column
> > and
> > > > > gear box in the Jeep if I have a new power steering shaft?
> > > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > > news:407D7D8D.9F1F0A82@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > > GM uses the same Saganaw steering column so you have a large
choice
> > > for
> > > > > > colors, tilt, etc. at the wreckers..
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mike
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Daudi wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Ah. Yes. My wrangler is a 1987. The cherokee being parted out
is
> > > early
> > > > > > > 90's I believe. I actually haven't asked because the idea just
> > > recently
> > > > > > > occured to me.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Wrangler's use GM steering columns?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Mike Romain wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > You need to give us some years and makes.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Apparently they changed the column from the Saganaw unit
every
> > GM
> > > van,
> > > > > > > > Camaro, Chevette and pickup uses in the mid 90's to
something
> > > else.
> > > > > One
> > > > > > > > person that doesn't usually have accurate info says it was
in
> > 94,
> > > but
> > > > > I
> > > > > > > > would suspect the change was with the TJ, not in the middle
of
> > the
> > > > > > > > production run of the YJ's.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The GM units are a fast easy swap. A couple bolts under the
> > dash,
> > > a
> > > > > > > > couple at the firewall and one spline bolt outside the
firewall.
> > > You
> > > > > > > > pull and out it comes.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in
'00
> > > > > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Daudi wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >>The adjustable steering column in my wrangler is very loose;
> > > sloppy
> > > > > down
> > > > > > > >>in the pivot, the joint. I am worried that it may come apart
> > some
> > > day
> > > > > > > >>when driving.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >>I've had the steering wheel come off a car when driving
(long,
> > > long
> > > > > ago
> > > > > > > >>when we bought cars for $50) but that was easy to put back
on. A
> > > > > > > >>separated U-joint down inside the steering column seems like
it
> > > would
> > > > > be
> > > > > > > >>more difficult to arrange.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >>I can find a steering column from a parting out cherokee.
Are
> > they
> > > > > > > >>interchangable?
> > >
> > >
no pressure on the fluid. It's too simple. The original box is so shot
that a lightning fast lane change is where I'm at already. The only
difference is that there's so much play that it does it on it's own:( This
is just a temporary fix in the interim 'til I can get the other drivetrain
in and get the right pump, reservoir, etc. Is the steering gonna be really
hard like when you kill the engine with power steering or is that just the
drag of a non-turning pump?
The Saginaw box appears identical to mine but I think it's just a tad bit
extended to accommodate the hoses. I have both steering columns from the
Caprice and the Jeep and bought a power steering shaft to boot. If I can,
I'll use the tilt wheel column from the Caprice and the power steering shaft
for the Jeep to connect to the gear box. Once the drivetrain's swapped and
I know what brackets and pump I need, I'll finish by changing the steering
gear box. Maybe even a new AGR box.
How's this all sound? Am I tracking right? Am I missing something?
--
o_o_o_o
Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:40855F2F.F0DFFE7E@sympatico.ca...
> What Bill is saying makes sense about mixing 'car' boxes and Jeep boxes.
>
> Someone else here has the same issue, the 'car' box is way too fast.
>
> I really don't know what you should expect mixing them up. The other
> poster sure doesn't like it. I now know what he was complaining about.
> I was thinking he has a camber issue because his steering won't track
> back straight after a turn. Or too short of a pinion arm, but he
> checked and it is the same.
>
> Now it makes more sense, the gear ratio is too tight to allow it to
> track back straight by itself, it has to be pulled back. He was
> grumbling something about ditches and front lawns and lane changes
> faster than you can blink.....
> I would run fluid in the power box if you do decide to use it, even if
> the power isn't there. I would just hook the output to the input with a
> hose clamp.
>
> I don't know what column you are playing with. The Saganaw unit that
> the 80's GM have is exactly the same as the one in my 86 CJ7.
>
> Mike
>
> Drink wrote:
> >
> > Mike,
> > I see that you're up this morning. Feel free to chime in with your
> > thoughts since the question's for anybody with insight.
> > o_o_o_o
> > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > "Drink" <drink@gnt.net> wrote in message
> > news:c63ib0$6dp$1@news.utelfla.com...
> > > Bill,
> > > My manual steering box is shot and I have to replace it urgently.
I'm
> > > converting to a small block Chevy and NV4500 really soon and will
convert
> > to
> > > power steering but don't have the pump/brackets/hoses yet. The
Caprice's
> > > steering box appears the same, only a bit longer since it's power
> > steering.
> > > I'll get a correct box but this is all I have right now.
> > > Can I put in the Caprice's power steering box for now and run it
like a
> > > manual box without hurting the box or struggling without the pump's
> > assist?
> > > Any ideas on how to bypass the pump & reservoir? (I have a 2" body
lift
> > if
> > > that makes a difference.)
> > > I know steering will by fast and touchy but the manual box is just
> > unsafe.
> > > It's adjusted to the point that the nut barely has a thread to hang on
to
> > > and still has about 1/2 a full turn on the steering wheel of play.
Deep
> > > wheel ruts on the road make me fishtail as I steer back and forth to
keep
> > it
> > > under control so I stay under 45mph. When I pulled out of a parking
lot
> > the
> > > other day, something felt like it wanted to bind in the gear. I'm
> > literally
> > > on the verge of a "bind".
> > > I really appreciate any advice I can get 'cause it's my daily driver
4
> > > miles to work.
> > > o_o_o_o
> > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > > news:40819860.D2EF8586@***.net...
> > > > Hi Jim,
> > > > There's a zillion old Jeeps running around with that setup. But
I'd
> > > > really try to keep it with the stock sized box, shafts and column,
it'll
> > > > probably save you time improvising, and a whole lot easier for the
next
> > > > owner. There's also a big difference between passenger and Jeep
steering
> > > > ratios, three turns lock to lock is about twice as fast a Jeep.
> > > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > > >
> > > > Drink wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I have an old tilt steering column (column shift), shaft and
power
> > > > > steering gear box from a Chevy caprice (model unknown but it
looked
> > late
> > > > > 80's to very early 90's). I want to convert to power steering and
the
> > > tilt
> > > > > would nice. I bought a Jeep power steering shaft.
> > > > > Overall, the column is longer than my Jeep and the shaft is much
> > > shorter
> > > > > than my stock. Does anybody know if I can use the Chevy tilt
column
> > and
> > > > > gear box in the Jeep if I have a new power steering shaft?
> > > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > > news:407D7D8D.9F1F0A82@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > > GM uses the same Saganaw steering column so you have a large
choice
> > > for
> > > > > > colors, tilt, etc. at the wreckers..
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mike
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Daudi wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Ah. Yes. My wrangler is a 1987. The cherokee being parted out
is
> > > early
> > > > > > > 90's I believe. I actually haven't asked because the idea just
> > > recently
> > > > > > > occured to me.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Wrangler's use GM steering columns?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Mike Romain wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > You need to give us some years and makes.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Apparently they changed the column from the Saganaw unit
every
> > GM
> > > van,
> > > > > > > > Camaro, Chevette and pickup uses in the mid 90's to
something
> > > else.
> > > > > One
> > > > > > > > person that doesn't usually have accurate info says it was
in
> > 94,
> > > but
> > > > > I
> > > > > > > > would suspect the change was with the TJ, not in the middle
of
> > the
> > > > > > > > production run of the YJ's.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The GM units are a fast easy swap. A couple bolts under the
> > dash,
> > > a
> > > > > > > > couple at the firewall and one spline bolt outside the
firewall.
> > > You
> > > > > > > > pull and out it comes.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in
'00
> > > > > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Daudi wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >>The adjustable steering column in my wrangler is very loose;
> > > sloppy
> > > > > down
> > > > > > > >>in the pivot, the joint. I am worried that it may come apart
> > some
> > > day
> > > > > > > >>when driving.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >>I've had the steering wheel come off a car when driving
(long,
> > > long
> > > > > ago
> > > > > > > >>when we bought cars for $50) but that was easy to put back
on. A
> > > > > > > >>separated U-joint down inside the steering column seems like
it
> > > would
> > > > > be
> > > > > > > >>more difficult to arrange.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >>I can find a steering column from a parting out cherokee.
Are
> > they
> > > > > > > >>interchangable?
> > >
> > >
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: steering columns- cherokee to wrangler?
Good idea, Mike. Didn't even consider a simple hose clamp since there's
no pressure on the fluid. It's too simple. The original box is so shot
that a lightning fast lane change is where I'm at already. The only
difference is that there's so much play that it does it on it's own:( This
is just a temporary fix in the interim 'til I can get the other drivetrain
in and get the right pump, reservoir, etc. Is the steering gonna be really
hard like when you kill the engine with power steering or is that just the
drag of a non-turning pump?
The Saginaw box appears identical to mine but I think it's just a tad bit
extended to accommodate the hoses. I have both steering columns from the
Caprice and the Jeep and bought a power steering shaft to boot. If I can,
I'll use the tilt wheel column from the Caprice and the power steering shaft
for the Jeep to connect to the gear box. Once the drivetrain's swapped and
I know what brackets and pump I need, I'll finish by changing the steering
gear box. Maybe even a new AGR box.
How's this all sound? Am I tracking right? Am I missing something?
--
o_o_o_o
Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:40855F2F.F0DFFE7E@sympatico.ca...
> What Bill is saying makes sense about mixing 'car' boxes and Jeep boxes.
>
> Someone else here has the same issue, the 'car' box is way too fast.
>
> I really don't know what you should expect mixing them up. The other
> poster sure doesn't like it. I now know what he was complaining about.
> I was thinking he has a camber issue because his steering won't track
> back straight after a turn. Or too short of a pinion arm, but he
> checked and it is the same.
>
> Now it makes more sense, the gear ratio is too tight to allow it to
> track back straight by itself, it has to be pulled back. He was
> grumbling something about ditches and front lawns and lane changes
> faster than you can blink.....
> I would run fluid in the power box if you do decide to use it, even if
> the power isn't there. I would just hook the output to the input with a
> hose clamp.
>
> I don't know what column you are playing with. The Saganaw unit that
> the 80's GM have is exactly the same as the one in my 86 CJ7.
>
> Mike
>
> Drink wrote:
> >
> > Mike,
> > I see that you're up this morning. Feel free to chime in with your
> > thoughts since the question's for anybody with insight.
> > o_o_o_o
> > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > "Drink" <drink@gnt.net> wrote in message
> > news:c63ib0$6dp$1@news.utelfla.com...
> > > Bill,
> > > My manual steering box is shot and I have to replace it urgently.
I'm
> > > converting to a small block Chevy and NV4500 really soon and will
convert
> > to
> > > power steering but don't have the pump/brackets/hoses yet. The
Caprice's
> > > steering box appears the same, only a bit longer since it's power
> > steering.
> > > I'll get a correct box but this is all I have right now.
> > > Can I put in the Caprice's power steering box for now and run it
like a
> > > manual box without hurting the box or struggling without the pump's
> > assist?
> > > Any ideas on how to bypass the pump & reservoir? (I have a 2" body
lift
> > if
> > > that makes a difference.)
> > > I know steering will by fast and touchy but the manual box is just
> > unsafe.
> > > It's adjusted to the point that the nut barely has a thread to hang on
to
> > > and still has about 1/2 a full turn on the steering wheel of play.
Deep
> > > wheel ruts on the road make me fishtail as I steer back and forth to
keep
> > it
> > > under control so I stay under 45mph. When I pulled out of a parking
lot
> > the
> > > other day, something felt like it wanted to bind in the gear. I'm
> > literally
> > > on the verge of a "bind".
> > > I really appreciate any advice I can get 'cause it's my daily driver
4
> > > miles to work.
> > > o_o_o_o
> > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > > news:40819860.D2EF8586@***.net...
> > > > Hi Jim,
> > > > There's a zillion old Jeeps running around with that setup. But
I'd
> > > > really try to keep it with the stock sized box, shafts and column,
it'll
> > > > probably save you time improvising, and a whole lot easier for the
next
> > > > owner. There's also a big difference between passenger and Jeep
steering
> > > > ratios, three turns lock to lock is about twice as fast a Jeep.
> > > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > > >
> > > > Drink wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I have an old tilt steering column (column shift), shaft and
power
> > > > > steering gear box from a Chevy caprice (model unknown but it
looked
> > late
> > > > > 80's to very early 90's). I want to convert to power steering and
the
> > > tilt
> > > > > would nice. I bought a Jeep power steering shaft.
> > > > > Overall, the column is longer than my Jeep and the shaft is much
> > > shorter
> > > > > than my stock. Does anybody know if I can use the Chevy tilt
column
> > and
> > > > > gear box in the Jeep if I have a new power steering shaft?
> > > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > > news:407D7D8D.9F1F0A82@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > > GM uses the same Saganaw steering column so you have a large
choice
> > > for
> > > > > > colors, tilt, etc. at the wreckers..
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mike
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Daudi wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Ah. Yes. My wrangler is a 1987. The cherokee being parted out
is
> > > early
> > > > > > > 90's I believe. I actually haven't asked because the idea just
> > > recently
> > > > > > > occured to me.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Wrangler's use GM steering columns?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Mike Romain wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > You need to give us some years and makes.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Apparently they changed the column from the Saganaw unit
every
> > GM
> > > van,
> > > > > > > > Camaro, Chevette and pickup uses in the mid 90's to
something
> > > else.
> > > > > One
> > > > > > > > person that doesn't usually have accurate info says it was
in
> > 94,
> > > but
> > > > > I
> > > > > > > > would suspect the change was with the TJ, not in the middle
of
> > the
> > > > > > > > production run of the YJ's.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The GM units are a fast easy swap. A couple bolts under the
> > dash,
> > > a
> > > > > > > > couple at the firewall and one spline bolt outside the
firewall.
> > > You
> > > > > > > > pull and out it comes.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in
'00
> > > > > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Daudi wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >>The adjustable steering column in my wrangler is very loose;
> > > sloppy
> > > > > down
> > > > > > > >>in the pivot, the joint. I am worried that it may come apart
> > some
> > > day
> > > > > > > >>when driving.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >>I've had the steering wheel come off a car when driving
(long,
> > > long
> > > > > ago
> > > > > > > >>when we bought cars for $50) but that was easy to put back
on. A
> > > > > > > >>separated U-joint down inside the steering column seems like
it
> > > would
> > > > > be
> > > > > > > >>more difficult to arrange.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >>I can find a steering column from a parting out cherokee.
Are
> > they
> > > > > > > >>interchangable?
> > >
> > >
no pressure on the fluid. It's too simple. The original box is so shot
that a lightning fast lane change is where I'm at already. The only
difference is that there's so much play that it does it on it's own:( This
is just a temporary fix in the interim 'til I can get the other drivetrain
in and get the right pump, reservoir, etc. Is the steering gonna be really
hard like when you kill the engine with power steering or is that just the
drag of a non-turning pump?
The Saginaw box appears identical to mine but I think it's just a tad bit
extended to accommodate the hoses. I have both steering columns from the
Caprice and the Jeep and bought a power steering shaft to boot. If I can,
I'll use the tilt wheel column from the Caprice and the power steering shaft
for the Jeep to connect to the gear box. Once the drivetrain's swapped and
I know what brackets and pump I need, I'll finish by changing the steering
gear box. Maybe even a new AGR box.
How's this all sound? Am I tracking right? Am I missing something?
--
o_o_o_o
Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:40855F2F.F0DFFE7E@sympatico.ca...
> What Bill is saying makes sense about mixing 'car' boxes and Jeep boxes.
>
> Someone else here has the same issue, the 'car' box is way too fast.
>
> I really don't know what you should expect mixing them up. The other
> poster sure doesn't like it. I now know what he was complaining about.
> I was thinking he has a camber issue because his steering won't track
> back straight after a turn. Or too short of a pinion arm, but he
> checked and it is the same.
>
> Now it makes more sense, the gear ratio is too tight to allow it to
> track back straight by itself, it has to be pulled back. He was
> grumbling something about ditches and front lawns and lane changes
> faster than you can blink.....
> I would run fluid in the power box if you do decide to use it, even if
> the power isn't there. I would just hook the output to the input with a
> hose clamp.
>
> I don't know what column you are playing with. The Saganaw unit that
> the 80's GM have is exactly the same as the one in my 86 CJ7.
>
> Mike
>
> Drink wrote:
> >
> > Mike,
> > I see that you're up this morning. Feel free to chime in with your
> > thoughts since the question's for anybody with insight.
> > o_o_o_o
> > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > "Drink" <drink@gnt.net> wrote in message
> > news:c63ib0$6dp$1@news.utelfla.com...
> > > Bill,
> > > My manual steering box is shot and I have to replace it urgently.
I'm
> > > converting to a small block Chevy and NV4500 really soon and will
convert
> > to
> > > power steering but don't have the pump/brackets/hoses yet. The
Caprice's
> > > steering box appears the same, only a bit longer since it's power
> > steering.
> > > I'll get a correct box but this is all I have right now.
> > > Can I put in the Caprice's power steering box for now and run it
like a
> > > manual box without hurting the box or struggling without the pump's
> > assist?
> > > Any ideas on how to bypass the pump & reservoir? (I have a 2" body
lift
> > if
> > > that makes a difference.)
> > > I know steering will by fast and touchy but the manual box is just
> > unsafe.
> > > It's adjusted to the point that the nut barely has a thread to hang on
to
> > > and still has about 1/2 a full turn on the steering wheel of play.
Deep
> > > wheel ruts on the road make me fishtail as I steer back and forth to
keep
> > it
> > > under control so I stay under 45mph. When I pulled out of a parking
lot
> > the
> > > other day, something felt like it wanted to bind in the gear. I'm
> > literally
> > > on the verge of a "bind".
> > > I really appreciate any advice I can get 'cause it's my daily driver
4
> > > miles to work.
> > > o_o_o_o
> > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > > news:40819860.D2EF8586@***.net...
> > > > Hi Jim,
> > > > There's a zillion old Jeeps running around with that setup. But
I'd
> > > > really try to keep it with the stock sized box, shafts and column,
it'll
> > > > probably save you time improvising, and a whole lot easier for the
next
> > > > owner. There's also a big difference between passenger and Jeep
steering
> > > > ratios, three turns lock to lock is about twice as fast a Jeep.
> > > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > > >
> > > > Drink wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I have an old tilt steering column (column shift), shaft and
power
> > > > > steering gear box from a Chevy caprice (model unknown but it
looked
> > late
> > > > > 80's to very early 90's). I want to convert to power steering and
the
> > > tilt
> > > > > would nice. I bought a Jeep power steering shaft.
> > > > > Overall, the column is longer than my Jeep and the shaft is much
> > > shorter
> > > > > than my stock. Does anybody know if I can use the Chevy tilt
column
> > and
> > > > > gear box in the Jeep if I have a new power steering shaft?
> > > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > > news:407D7D8D.9F1F0A82@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > > GM uses the same Saganaw steering column so you have a large
choice
> > > for
> > > > > > colors, tilt, etc. at the wreckers..
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mike
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Daudi wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Ah. Yes. My wrangler is a 1987. The cherokee being parted out
is
> > > early
> > > > > > > 90's I believe. I actually haven't asked because the idea just
> > > recently
> > > > > > > occured to me.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Wrangler's use GM steering columns?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Mike Romain wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > You need to give us some years and makes.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Apparently they changed the column from the Saganaw unit
every
> > GM
> > > van,
> > > > > > > > Camaro, Chevette and pickup uses in the mid 90's to
something
> > > else.
> > > > > One
> > > > > > > > person that doesn't usually have accurate info says it was
in
> > 94,
> > > but
> > > > > I
> > > > > > > > would suspect the change was with the TJ, not in the middle
of
> > the
> > > > > > > > production run of the YJ's.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The GM units are a fast easy swap. A couple bolts under the
> > dash,
> > > a
> > > > > > > > couple at the firewall and one spline bolt outside the
firewall.
> > > You
> > > > > > > > pull and out it comes.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in
'00
> > > > > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Daudi wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >>The adjustable steering column in my wrangler is very loose;
> > > sloppy
> > > > > down
> > > > > > > >>in the pivot, the joint. I am worried that it may come apart
> > some
> > > day
> > > > > > > >>when driving.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >>I've had the steering wheel come off a car when driving
(long,
> > > long
> > > > > ago
> > > > > > > >>when we bought cars for $50) but that was easy to put back
on. A
> > > > > > > >>separated U-joint down inside the steering column seems like
it
> > > would
> > > > > be
> > > > > > > >>more difficult to arrange.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >>I can find a steering column from a parting out cherokee.
Are
> > they
> > > > > > > >>interchangable?
> > >
> > >
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: steering columns- cherokee to wrangler?
Just got off the line with 4WDHardware and they told me the following.
The only difference between the power/manual steering shaft is that the
input shaft to the box is 3/4in for the manual box and 13/16in for the
powered box. Length is identical.
The GM box I have has a much smaller input shaft with a peg coming out the
end of the shaft so the Jeep shaft won't slip on regardless of shaft
diameter. It looks as though I'll have to break down and bite the bullet to
buy a new Jeep box. I really wanted to go with an AGR box and still might;
having to put off the engine/tranny swap til I get a little more money.
Anybody heard this about the shaft diameter for GM vice Jeep? Having that
tilt wheel would've been nice.
o_o_o_o
Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
"Drink" <drink@gnt.net> wrote in message
news:c63ohh$b5e$1@news.utelfla.com...
> Good idea, Mike. Didn't even consider a simple hose clamp since there's
> no pressure on the fluid. It's too simple. The original box is so shot
> that a lightning fast lane change is where I'm at already. The only
> difference is that there's so much play that it does it on it's own:(
This
> is just a temporary fix in the interim 'til I can get the other drivetrain
> in and get the right pump, reservoir, etc. Is the steering gonna be
really
> hard like when you kill the engine with power steering or is that just the
> drag of a non-turning pump?
> The Saginaw box appears identical to mine but I think it's just a tad
bit
> extended to accommodate the hoses. I have both steering columns from the
> Caprice and the Jeep and bought a power steering shaft to boot. If I can,
> I'll use the tilt wheel column from the Caprice and the power steering
shaft
> for the Jeep to connect to the gear box. Once the drivetrain's swapped
and
> I know what brackets and pump I need, I'll finish by changing the steering
> gear box. Maybe even a new AGR box.
> How's this all sound? Am I tracking right? Am I missing something?
>
> --
>
> o_o_o_o
> Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:40855F2F.F0DFFE7E@sympatico.ca...
> > What Bill is saying makes sense about mixing 'car' boxes and Jeep boxes.
> >
> > Someone else here has the same issue, the 'car' box is way too fast.
> >
> > I really don't know what you should expect mixing them up. The other
> > poster sure doesn't like it. I now know what he was complaining about.
> > I was thinking he has a camber issue because his steering won't track
> > back straight after a turn. Or too short of a pinion arm, but he
> > checked and it is the same.
> >
> > Now it makes more sense, the gear ratio is too tight to allow it to
> > track back straight by itself, it has to be pulled back. He was
> > grumbling something about ditches and front lawns and lane changes
> > faster than you can blink.....
> > I would run fluid in the power box if you do decide to use it, even if
> > the power isn't there. I would just hook the output to the input with a
> > hose clamp.
> >
> > I don't know what column you are playing with. The Saganaw unit that
> > the 80's GM have is exactly the same as the one in my 86 CJ7.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Drink wrote:
> > >
> > > Mike,
> > > I see that you're up this morning. Feel free to chime in with your
> > > thoughts since the question's for anybody with insight.
> > > o_o_o_o
> > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > "Drink" <drink@gnt.net> wrote in message
> > > news:c63ib0$6dp$1@news.utelfla.com...
> > > > Bill,
> > > > My manual steering box is shot and I have to replace it urgently.
> I'm
> > > > converting to a small block Chevy and NV4500 really soon and will
> convert
> > > to
> > > > power steering but don't have the pump/brackets/hoses yet. The
> Caprice's
> > > > steering box appears the same, only a bit longer since it's power
> > > steering.
> > > > I'll get a correct box but this is all I have right now.
> > > > Can I put in the Caprice's power steering box for now and run it
> like a
> > > > manual box without hurting the box or struggling without the pump's
> > > assist?
> > > > Any ideas on how to bypass the pump & reservoir? (I have a 2" body
> lift
> > > if
> > > > that makes a difference.)
> > > > I know steering will by fast and touchy but the manual box is just
> > > unsafe.
> > > > It's adjusted to the point that the nut barely has a thread to hang
on
> to
> > > > and still has about 1/2 a full turn on the steering wheel of play.
> Deep
> > > > wheel ruts on the road make me fishtail as I steer back and forth to
> keep
> > > it
> > > > under control so I stay under 45mph. When I pulled out of a parking
> lot
> > > the
> > > > other day, something felt like it wanted to bind in the gear. I'm
> > > literally
> > > > on the verge of a "bind".
> > > > I really appreciate any advice I can get 'cause it's my daily
driver
> 4
> > > > miles to work.
> > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > > > news:40819860.D2EF8586@***.net...
> > > > > Hi Jim,
> > > > > There's a zillion old Jeeps running around with that setup.
But
> I'd
> > > > > really try to keep it with the stock sized box, shafts and column,
> it'll
> > > > > probably save you time improvising, and a whole lot easier for the
> next
> > > > > owner. There's also a big difference between passenger and Jeep
> steering
> > > > > ratios, three turns lock to lock is about twice as fast a Jeep.
> > > > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > > > >
> > > > > Drink wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I have an old tilt steering column (column shift), shaft and
> power
> > > > > > steering gear box from a Chevy caprice (model unknown but it
> looked
> > > late
> > > > > > 80's to very early 90's). I want to convert to power steering
and
> the
> > > > tilt
> > > > > > would nice. I bought a Jeep power steering shaft.
> > > > > > Overall, the column is longer than my Jeep and the shaft is
much
> > > > shorter
> > > > > > than my stock. Does anybody know if I can use the Chevy tilt
> column
> > > and
> > > > > > gear box in the Jeep if I have a new power steering shaft?
> > > > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > > > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > > > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:407D7D8D.9F1F0A82@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > > > GM uses the same Saganaw steering column so you have a large
> choice
> > > > for
> > > > > > > colors, tilt, etc. at the wreckers..
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Daudi wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Ah. Yes. My wrangler is a 1987. The cherokee being parted
out
> is
> > > > early
> > > > > > > > 90's I believe. I actually haven't asked because the idea
just
> > > > recently
> > > > > > > > occured to me.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Wrangler's use GM steering columns?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Mike Romain wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > You need to give us some years and makes.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Apparently they changed the column from the Saganaw unit
> every
> > > GM
> > > > van,
> > > > > > > > > Camaro, Chevette and pickup uses in the mid 90's to
> something
> > > > else.
> > > > > > One
> > > > > > > > > person that doesn't usually have accurate info says it was
> in
> > > 94,
> > > > but
> > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > would suspect the change was with the TJ, not in the
middle
> of
> > > the
> > > > > > > > > production run of the YJ's.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The GM units are a fast easy swap. A couple bolts under
the
> > > dash,
> > > > a
> > > > > > > > > couple at the firewall and one spline bolt outside the
> firewall.
> > > > You
> > > > > > > > > pull and out it comes.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in
> '00
> > > > > > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Daudi wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >>The adjustable steering column in my wrangler is very
loose;
> > > > sloppy
> > > > > > down
> > > > > > > > >>in the pivot, the joint. I am worried that it may come
apart
> > > some
> > > > day
> > > > > > > > >>when driving.
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >>I've had the steering wheel come off a car when driving
> (long,
> > > > long
> > > > > > ago
> > > > > > > > >>when we bought cars for $50) but that was easy to put back
> on. A
> > > > > > > > >>separated U-joint down inside the steering column seems
like
> it
> > > > would
> > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > >>more difficult to arrange.
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >>I can find a steering column from a parting out cherokee.
> Are
> > > they
> > > > > > > > >>interchangable?
> > > >
> > > >
>
>
The only difference between the power/manual steering shaft is that the
input shaft to the box is 3/4in for the manual box and 13/16in for the
powered box. Length is identical.
The GM box I have has a much smaller input shaft with a peg coming out the
end of the shaft so the Jeep shaft won't slip on regardless of shaft
diameter. It looks as though I'll have to break down and bite the bullet to
buy a new Jeep box. I really wanted to go with an AGR box and still might;
having to put off the engine/tranny swap til I get a little more money.
Anybody heard this about the shaft diameter for GM vice Jeep? Having that
tilt wheel would've been nice.
o_o_o_o
Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
"Drink" <drink@gnt.net> wrote in message
news:c63ohh$b5e$1@news.utelfla.com...
> Good idea, Mike. Didn't even consider a simple hose clamp since there's
> no pressure on the fluid. It's too simple. The original box is so shot
> that a lightning fast lane change is where I'm at already. The only
> difference is that there's so much play that it does it on it's own:(
This
> is just a temporary fix in the interim 'til I can get the other drivetrain
> in and get the right pump, reservoir, etc. Is the steering gonna be
really
> hard like when you kill the engine with power steering or is that just the
> drag of a non-turning pump?
> The Saginaw box appears identical to mine but I think it's just a tad
bit
> extended to accommodate the hoses. I have both steering columns from the
> Caprice and the Jeep and bought a power steering shaft to boot. If I can,
> I'll use the tilt wheel column from the Caprice and the power steering
shaft
> for the Jeep to connect to the gear box. Once the drivetrain's swapped
and
> I know what brackets and pump I need, I'll finish by changing the steering
> gear box. Maybe even a new AGR box.
> How's this all sound? Am I tracking right? Am I missing something?
>
> --
>
> o_o_o_o
> Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:40855F2F.F0DFFE7E@sympatico.ca...
> > What Bill is saying makes sense about mixing 'car' boxes and Jeep boxes.
> >
> > Someone else here has the same issue, the 'car' box is way too fast.
> >
> > I really don't know what you should expect mixing them up. The other
> > poster sure doesn't like it. I now know what he was complaining about.
> > I was thinking he has a camber issue because his steering won't track
> > back straight after a turn. Or too short of a pinion arm, but he
> > checked and it is the same.
> >
> > Now it makes more sense, the gear ratio is too tight to allow it to
> > track back straight by itself, it has to be pulled back. He was
> > grumbling something about ditches and front lawns and lane changes
> > faster than you can blink.....
> > I would run fluid in the power box if you do decide to use it, even if
> > the power isn't there. I would just hook the output to the input with a
> > hose clamp.
> >
> > I don't know what column you are playing with. The Saganaw unit that
> > the 80's GM have is exactly the same as the one in my 86 CJ7.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Drink wrote:
> > >
> > > Mike,
> > > I see that you're up this morning. Feel free to chime in with your
> > > thoughts since the question's for anybody with insight.
> > > o_o_o_o
> > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > "Drink" <drink@gnt.net> wrote in message
> > > news:c63ib0$6dp$1@news.utelfla.com...
> > > > Bill,
> > > > My manual steering box is shot and I have to replace it urgently.
> I'm
> > > > converting to a small block Chevy and NV4500 really soon and will
> convert
> > > to
> > > > power steering but don't have the pump/brackets/hoses yet. The
> Caprice's
> > > > steering box appears the same, only a bit longer since it's power
> > > steering.
> > > > I'll get a correct box but this is all I have right now.
> > > > Can I put in the Caprice's power steering box for now and run it
> like a
> > > > manual box without hurting the box or struggling without the pump's
> > > assist?
> > > > Any ideas on how to bypass the pump & reservoir? (I have a 2" body
> lift
> > > if
> > > > that makes a difference.)
> > > > I know steering will by fast and touchy but the manual box is just
> > > unsafe.
> > > > It's adjusted to the point that the nut barely has a thread to hang
on
> to
> > > > and still has about 1/2 a full turn on the steering wheel of play.
> Deep
> > > > wheel ruts on the road make me fishtail as I steer back and forth to
> keep
> > > it
> > > > under control so I stay under 45mph. When I pulled out of a parking
> lot
> > > the
> > > > other day, something felt like it wanted to bind in the gear. I'm
> > > literally
> > > > on the verge of a "bind".
> > > > I really appreciate any advice I can get 'cause it's my daily
driver
> 4
> > > > miles to work.
> > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > > > news:40819860.D2EF8586@***.net...
> > > > > Hi Jim,
> > > > > There's a zillion old Jeeps running around with that setup.
But
> I'd
> > > > > really try to keep it with the stock sized box, shafts and column,
> it'll
> > > > > probably save you time improvising, and a whole lot easier for the
> next
> > > > > owner. There's also a big difference between passenger and Jeep
> steering
> > > > > ratios, three turns lock to lock is about twice as fast a Jeep.
> > > > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > > > >
> > > > > Drink wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I have an old tilt steering column (column shift), shaft and
> power
> > > > > > steering gear box from a Chevy caprice (model unknown but it
> looked
> > > late
> > > > > > 80's to very early 90's). I want to convert to power steering
and
> the
> > > > tilt
> > > > > > would nice. I bought a Jeep power steering shaft.
> > > > > > Overall, the column is longer than my Jeep and the shaft is
much
> > > > shorter
> > > > > > than my stock. Does anybody know if I can use the Chevy tilt
> column
> > > and
> > > > > > gear box in the Jeep if I have a new power steering shaft?
> > > > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > > > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > > > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:407D7D8D.9F1F0A82@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > > > GM uses the same Saganaw steering column so you have a large
> choice
> > > > for
> > > > > > > colors, tilt, etc. at the wreckers..
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Daudi wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Ah. Yes. My wrangler is a 1987. The cherokee being parted
out
> is
> > > > early
> > > > > > > > 90's I believe. I actually haven't asked because the idea
just
> > > > recently
> > > > > > > > occured to me.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Wrangler's use GM steering columns?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Mike Romain wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > You need to give us some years and makes.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Apparently they changed the column from the Saganaw unit
> every
> > > GM
> > > > van,
> > > > > > > > > Camaro, Chevette and pickup uses in the mid 90's to
> something
> > > > else.
> > > > > > One
> > > > > > > > > person that doesn't usually have accurate info says it was
> in
> > > 94,
> > > > but
> > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > would suspect the change was with the TJ, not in the
middle
> of
> > > the
> > > > > > > > > production run of the YJ's.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The GM units are a fast easy swap. A couple bolts under
the
> > > dash,
> > > > a
> > > > > > > > > couple at the firewall and one spline bolt outside the
> firewall.
> > > > You
> > > > > > > > > pull and out it comes.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in
> '00
> > > > > > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Daudi wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >>The adjustable steering column in my wrangler is very
loose;
> > > > sloppy
> > > > > > down
> > > > > > > > >>in the pivot, the joint. I am worried that it may come
apart
> > > some
> > > > day
> > > > > > > > >>when driving.
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >>I've had the steering wheel come off a car when driving
> (long,
> > > > long
> > > > > > ago
> > > > > > > > >>when we bought cars for $50) but that was easy to put back
> on. A
> > > > > > > > >>separated U-joint down inside the steering column seems
like
> it
> > > > would
> > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > >>more difficult to arrange.
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >>I can find a steering column from a parting out cherokee.
> Are
> > > they
> > > > > > > > >>interchangable?
> > > >
> > > >
>
>
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: steering columns- cherokee to wrangler?
Just got off the line with 4WDHardware and they told me the following.
The only difference between the power/manual steering shaft is that the
input shaft to the box is 3/4in for the manual box and 13/16in for the
powered box. Length is identical.
The GM box I have has a much smaller input shaft with a peg coming out the
end of the shaft so the Jeep shaft won't slip on regardless of shaft
diameter. It looks as though I'll have to break down and bite the bullet to
buy a new Jeep box. I really wanted to go with an AGR box and still might;
having to put off the engine/tranny swap til I get a little more money.
Anybody heard this about the shaft diameter for GM vice Jeep? Having that
tilt wheel would've been nice.
o_o_o_o
Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
"Drink" <drink@gnt.net> wrote in message
news:c63ohh$b5e$1@news.utelfla.com...
> Good idea, Mike. Didn't even consider a simple hose clamp since there's
> no pressure on the fluid. It's too simple. The original box is so shot
> that a lightning fast lane change is where I'm at already. The only
> difference is that there's so much play that it does it on it's own:(
This
> is just a temporary fix in the interim 'til I can get the other drivetrain
> in and get the right pump, reservoir, etc. Is the steering gonna be
really
> hard like when you kill the engine with power steering or is that just the
> drag of a non-turning pump?
> The Saginaw box appears identical to mine but I think it's just a tad
bit
> extended to accommodate the hoses. I have both steering columns from the
> Caprice and the Jeep and bought a power steering shaft to boot. If I can,
> I'll use the tilt wheel column from the Caprice and the power steering
shaft
> for the Jeep to connect to the gear box. Once the drivetrain's swapped
and
> I know what brackets and pump I need, I'll finish by changing the steering
> gear box. Maybe even a new AGR box.
> How's this all sound? Am I tracking right? Am I missing something?
>
> --
>
> o_o_o_o
> Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:40855F2F.F0DFFE7E@sympatico.ca...
> > What Bill is saying makes sense about mixing 'car' boxes and Jeep boxes.
> >
> > Someone else here has the same issue, the 'car' box is way too fast.
> >
> > I really don't know what you should expect mixing them up. The other
> > poster sure doesn't like it. I now know what he was complaining about.
> > I was thinking he has a camber issue because his steering won't track
> > back straight after a turn. Or too short of a pinion arm, but he
> > checked and it is the same.
> >
> > Now it makes more sense, the gear ratio is too tight to allow it to
> > track back straight by itself, it has to be pulled back. He was
> > grumbling something about ditches and front lawns and lane changes
> > faster than you can blink.....
> > I would run fluid in the power box if you do decide to use it, even if
> > the power isn't there. I would just hook the output to the input with a
> > hose clamp.
> >
> > I don't know what column you are playing with. The Saganaw unit that
> > the 80's GM have is exactly the same as the one in my 86 CJ7.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Drink wrote:
> > >
> > > Mike,
> > > I see that you're up this morning. Feel free to chime in with your
> > > thoughts since the question's for anybody with insight.
> > > o_o_o_o
> > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > "Drink" <drink@gnt.net> wrote in message
> > > news:c63ib0$6dp$1@news.utelfla.com...
> > > > Bill,
> > > > My manual steering box is shot and I have to replace it urgently.
> I'm
> > > > converting to a small block Chevy and NV4500 really soon and will
> convert
> > > to
> > > > power steering but don't have the pump/brackets/hoses yet. The
> Caprice's
> > > > steering box appears the same, only a bit longer since it's power
> > > steering.
> > > > I'll get a correct box but this is all I have right now.
> > > > Can I put in the Caprice's power steering box for now and run it
> like a
> > > > manual box without hurting the box or struggling without the pump's
> > > assist?
> > > > Any ideas on how to bypass the pump & reservoir? (I have a 2" body
> lift
> > > if
> > > > that makes a difference.)
> > > > I know steering will by fast and touchy but the manual box is just
> > > unsafe.
> > > > It's adjusted to the point that the nut barely has a thread to hang
on
> to
> > > > and still has about 1/2 a full turn on the steering wheel of play.
> Deep
> > > > wheel ruts on the road make me fishtail as I steer back and forth to
> keep
> > > it
> > > > under control so I stay under 45mph. When I pulled out of a parking
> lot
> > > the
> > > > other day, something felt like it wanted to bind in the gear. I'm
> > > literally
> > > > on the verge of a "bind".
> > > > I really appreciate any advice I can get 'cause it's my daily
driver
> 4
> > > > miles to work.
> > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > > > news:40819860.D2EF8586@***.net...
> > > > > Hi Jim,
> > > > > There's a zillion old Jeeps running around with that setup.
But
> I'd
> > > > > really try to keep it with the stock sized box, shafts and column,
> it'll
> > > > > probably save you time improvising, and a whole lot easier for the
> next
> > > > > owner. There's also a big difference between passenger and Jeep
> steering
> > > > > ratios, three turns lock to lock is about twice as fast a Jeep.
> > > > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > > > >
> > > > > Drink wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I have an old tilt steering column (column shift), shaft and
> power
> > > > > > steering gear box from a Chevy caprice (model unknown but it
> looked
> > > late
> > > > > > 80's to very early 90's). I want to convert to power steering
and
> the
> > > > tilt
> > > > > > would nice. I bought a Jeep power steering shaft.
> > > > > > Overall, the column is longer than my Jeep and the shaft is
much
> > > > shorter
> > > > > > than my stock. Does anybody know if I can use the Chevy tilt
> column
> > > and
> > > > > > gear box in the Jeep if I have a new power steering shaft?
> > > > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > > > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > > > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:407D7D8D.9F1F0A82@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > > > GM uses the same Saganaw steering column so you have a large
> choice
> > > > for
> > > > > > > colors, tilt, etc. at the wreckers..
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Daudi wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Ah. Yes. My wrangler is a 1987. The cherokee being parted
out
> is
> > > > early
> > > > > > > > 90's I believe. I actually haven't asked because the idea
just
> > > > recently
> > > > > > > > occured to me.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Wrangler's use GM steering columns?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Mike Romain wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > You need to give us some years and makes.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Apparently they changed the column from the Saganaw unit
> every
> > > GM
> > > > van,
> > > > > > > > > Camaro, Chevette and pickup uses in the mid 90's to
> something
> > > > else.
> > > > > > One
> > > > > > > > > person that doesn't usually have accurate info says it was
> in
> > > 94,
> > > > but
> > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > would suspect the change was with the TJ, not in the
middle
> of
> > > the
> > > > > > > > > production run of the YJ's.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The GM units are a fast easy swap. A couple bolts under
the
> > > dash,
> > > > a
> > > > > > > > > couple at the firewall and one spline bolt outside the
> firewall.
> > > > You
> > > > > > > > > pull and out it comes.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in
> '00
> > > > > > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Daudi wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >>The adjustable steering column in my wrangler is very
loose;
> > > > sloppy
> > > > > > down
> > > > > > > > >>in the pivot, the joint. I am worried that it may come
apart
> > > some
> > > > day
> > > > > > > > >>when driving.
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >>I've had the steering wheel come off a car when driving
> (long,
> > > > long
> > > > > > ago
> > > > > > > > >>when we bought cars for $50) but that was easy to put back
> on. A
> > > > > > > > >>separated U-joint down inside the steering column seems
like
> it
> > > > would
> > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > >>more difficult to arrange.
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >>I can find a steering column from a parting out cherokee.
> Are
> > > they
> > > > > > > > >>interchangable?
> > > >
> > > >
>
>
The only difference between the power/manual steering shaft is that the
input shaft to the box is 3/4in for the manual box and 13/16in for the
powered box. Length is identical.
The GM box I have has a much smaller input shaft with a peg coming out the
end of the shaft so the Jeep shaft won't slip on regardless of shaft
diameter. It looks as though I'll have to break down and bite the bullet to
buy a new Jeep box. I really wanted to go with an AGR box and still might;
having to put off the engine/tranny swap til I get a little more money.
Anybody heard this about the shaft diameter for GM vice Jeep? Having that
tilt wheel would've been nice.
o_o_o_o
Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
"Drink" <drink@gnt.net> wrote in message
news:c63ohh$b5e$1@news.utelfla.com...
> Good idea, Mike. Didn't even consider a simple hose clamp since there's
> no pressure on the fluid. It's too simple. The original box is so shot
> that a lightning fast lane change is where I'm at already. The only
> difference is that there's so much play that it does it on it's own:(
This
> is just a temporary fix in the interim 'til I can get the other drivetrain
> in and get the right pump, reservoir, etc. Is the steering gonna be
really
> hard like when you kill the engine with power steering or is that just the
> drag of a non-turning pump?
> The Saginaw box appears identical to mine but I think it's just a tad
bit
> extended to accommodate the hoses. I have both steering columns from the
> Caprice and the Jeep and bought a power steering shaft to boot. If I can,
> I'll use the tilt wheel column from the Caprice and the power steering
shaft
> for the Jeep to connect to the gear box. Once the drivetrain's swapped
and
> I know what brackets and pump I need, I'll finish by changing the steering
> gear box. Maybe even a new AGR box.
> How's this all sound? Am I tracking right? Am I missing something?
>
> --
>
> o_o_o_o
> Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:40855F2F.F0DFFE7E@sympatico.ca...
> > What Bill is saying makes sense about mixing 'car' boxes and Jeep boxes.
> >
> > Someone else here has the same issue, the 'car' box is way too fast.
> >
> > I really don't know what you should expect mixing them up. The other
> > poster sure doesn't like it. I now know what he was complaining about.
> > I was thinking he has a camber issue because his steering won't track
> > back straight after a turn. Or too short of a pinion arm, but he
> > checked and it is the same.
> >
> > Now it makes more sense, the gear ratio is too tight to allow it to
> > track back straight by itself, it has to be pulled back. He was
> > grumbling something about ditches and front lawns and lane changes
> > faster than you can blink.....
> > I would run fluid in the power box if you do decide to use it, even if
> > the power isn't there. I would just hook the output to the input with a
> > hose clamp.
> >
> > I don't know what column you are playing with. The Saganaw unit that
> > the 80's GM have is exactly the same as the one in my 86 CJ7.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Drink wrote:
> > >
> > > Mike,
> > > I see that you're up this morning. Feel free to chime in with your
> > > thoughts since the question's for anybody with insight.
> > > o_o_o_o
> > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > "Drink" <drink@gnt.net> wrote in message
> > > news:c63ib0$6dp$1@news.utelfla.com...
> > > > Bill,
> > > > My manual steering box is shot and I have to replace it urgently.
> I'm
> > > > converting to a small block Chevy and NV4500 really soon and will
> convert
> > > to
> > > > power steering but don't have the pump/brackets/hoses yet. The
> Caprice's
> > > > steering box appears the same, only a bit longer since it's power
> > > steering.
> > > > I'll get a correct box but this is all I have right now.
> > > > Can I put in the Caprice's power steering box for now and run it
> like a
> > > > manual box without hurting the box or struggling without the pump's
> > > assist?
> > > > Any ideas on how to bypass the pump & reservoir? (I have a 2" body
> lift
> > > if
> > > > that makes a difference.)
> > > > I know steering will by fast and touchy but the manual box is just
> > > unsafe.
> > > > It's adjusted to the point that the nut barely has a thread to hang
on
> to
> > > > and still has about 1/2 a full turn on the steering wheel of play.
> Deep
> > > > wheel ruts on the road make me fishtail as I steer back and forth to
> keep
> > > it
> > > > under control so I stay under 45mph. When I pulled out of a parking
> lot
> > > the
> > > > other day, something felt like it wanted to bind in the gear. I'm
> > > literally
> > > > on the verge of a "bind".
> > > > I really appreciate any advice I can get 'cause it's my daily
driver
> 4
> > > > miles to work.
> > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > > > news:40819860.D2EF8586@***.net...
> > > > > Hi Jim,
> > > > > There's a zillion old Jeeps running around with that setup.
But
> I'd
> > > > > really try to keep it with the stock sized box, shafts and column,
> it'll
> > > > > probably save you time improvising, and a whole lot easier for the
> next
> > > > > owner. There's also a big difference between passenger and Jeep
> steering
> > > > > ratios, three turns lock to lock is about twice as fast a Jeep.
> > > > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > > > >
> > > > > Drink wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I have an old tilt steering column (column shift), shaft and
> power
> > > > > > steering gear box from a Chevy caprice (model unknown but it
> looked
> > > late
> > > > > > 80's to very early 90's). I want to convert to power steering
and
> the
> > > > tilt
> > > > > > would nice. I bought a Jeep power steering shaft.
> > > > > > Overall, the column is longer than my Jeep and the shaft is
much
> > > > shorter
> > > > > > than my stock. Does anybody know if I can use the Chevy tilt
> column
> > > and
> > > > > > gear box in the Jeep if I have a new power steering shaft?
> > > > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > > > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > > > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:407D7D8D.9F1F0A82@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > > > GM uses the same Saganaw steering column so you have a large
> choice
> > > > for
> > > > > > > colors, tilt, etc. at the wreckers..
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Daudi wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Ah. Yes. My wrangler is a 1987. The cherokee being parted
out
> is
> > > > early
> > > > > > > > 90's I believe. I actually haven't asked because the idea
just
> > > > recently
> > > > > > > > occured to me.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Wrangler's use GM steering columns?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Mike Romain wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > You need to give us some years and makes.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Apparently they changed the column from the Saganaw unit
> every
> > > GM
> > > > van,
> > > > > > > > > Camaro, Chevette and pickup uses in the mid 90's to
> something
> > > > else.
> > > > > > One
> > > > > > > > > person that doesn't usually have accurate info says it was
> in
> > > 94,
> > > > but
> > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > would suspect the change was with the TJ, not in the
middle
> of
> > > the
> > > > > > > > > production run of the YJ's.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The GM units are a fast easy swap. A couple bolts under
the
> > > dash,
> > > > a
> > > > > > > > > couple at the firewall and one spline bolt outside the
> firewall.
> > > > You
> > > > > > > > > pull and out it comes.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in
> '00
> > > > > > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Daudi wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >>The adjustable steering column in my wrangler is very
loose;
> > > > sloppy
> > > > > > down
> > > > > > > > >>in the pivot, the joint. I am worried that it may come
apart
> > > some
> > > > day
> > > > > > > > >>when driving.
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >>I've had the steering wheel come off a car when driving
> (long,
> > > > long
> > > > > > ago
> > > > > > > > >>when we bought cars for $50) but that was easy to put back
> on. A
> > > > > > > > >>separated U-joint down inside the steering column seems
like
> it
> > > > would
> > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > >>more difficult to arrange.
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >>I can find a steering column from a parting out cherokee.
> Are
> > > they
> > > > > > > > >>interchangable?
> > > >
> > > >
>
>
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: steering columns- cherokee to wrangler?
Just got off the line with 4WDHardware and they told me the following.
The only difference between the power/manual steering shaft is that the
input shaft to the box is 3/4in for the manual box and 13/16in for the
powered box. Length is identical.
The GM box I have has a much smaller input shaft with a peg coming out the
end of the shaft so the Jeep shaft won't slip on regardless of shaft
diameter. It looks as though I'll have to break down and bite the bullet to
buy a new Jeep box. I really wanted to go with an AGR box and still might;
having to put off the engine/tranny swap til I get a little more money.
Anybody heard this about the shaft diameter for GM vice Jeep? Having that
tilt wheel would've been nice.
o_o_o_o
Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
"Drink" <drink@gnt.net> wrote in message
news:c63ohh$b5e$1@news.utelfla.com...
> Good idea, Mike. Didn't even consider a simple hose clamp since there's
> no pressure on the fluid. It's too simple. The original box is so shot
> that a lightning fast lane change is where I'm at already. The only
> difference is that there's so much play that it does it on it's own:(
This
> is just a temporary fix in the interim 'til I can get the other drivetrain
> in and get the right pump, reservoir, etc. Is the steering gonna be
really
> hard like when you kill the engine with power steering or is that just the
> drag of a non-turning pump?
> The Saginaw box appears identical to mine but I think it's just a tad
bit
> extended to accommodate the hoses. I have both steering columns from the
> Caprice and the Jeep and bought a power steering shaft to boot. If I can,
> I'll use the tilt wheel column from the Caprice and the power steering
shaft
> for the Jeep to connect to the gear box. Once the drivetrain's swapped
and
> I know what brackets and pump I need, I'll finish by changing the steering
> gear box. Maybe even a new AGR box.
> How's this all sound? Am I tracking right? Am I missing something?
>
> --
>
> o_o_o_o
> Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:40855F2F.F0DFFE7E@sympatico.ca...
> > What Bill is saying makes sense about mixing 'car' boxes and Jeep boxes.
> >
> > Someone else here has the same issue, the 'car' box is way too fast.
> >
> > I really don't know what you should expect mixing them up. The other
> > poster sure doesn't like it. I now know what he was complaining about.
> > I was thinking he has a camber issue because his steering won't track
> > back straight after a turn. Or too short of a pinion arm, but he
> > checked and it is the same.
> >
> > Now it makes more sense, the gear ratio is too tight to allow it to
> > track back straight by itself, it has to be pulled back. He was
> > grumbling something about ditches and front lawns and lane changes
> > faster than you can blink.....
> > I would run fluid in the power box if you do decide to use it, even if
> > the power isn't there. I would just hook the output to the input with a
> > hose clamp.
> >
> > I don't know what column you are playing with. The Saganaw unit that
> > the 80's GM have is exactly the same as the one in my 86 CJ7.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Drink wrote:
> > >
> > > Mike,
> > > I see that you're up this morning. Feel free to chime in with your
> > > thoughts since the question's for anybody with insight.
> > > o_o_o_o
> > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > "Drink" <drink@gnt.net> wrote in message
> > > news:c63ib0$6dp$1@news.utelfla.com...
> > > > Bill,
> > > > My manual steering box is shot and I have to replace it urgently.
> I'm
> > > > converting to a small block Chevy and NV4500 really soon and will
> convert
> > > to
> > > > power steering but don't have the pump/brackets/hoses yet. The
> Caprice's
> > > > steering box appears the same, only a bit longer since it's power
> > > steering.
> > > > I'll get a correct box but this is all I have right now.
> > > > Can I put in the Caprice's power steering box for now and run it
> like a
> > > > manual box without hurting the box or struggling without the pump's
> > > assist?
> > > > Any ideas on how to bypass the pump & reservoir? (I have a 2" body
> lift
> > > if
> > > > that makes a difference.)
> > > > I know steering will by fast and touchy but the manual box is just
> > > unsafe.
> > > > It's adjusted to the point that the nut barely has a thread to hang
on
> to
> > > > and still has about 1/2 a full turn on the steering wheel of play.
> Deep
> > > > wheel ruts on the road make me fishtail as I steer back and forth to
> keep
> > > it
> > > > under control so I stay under 45mph. When I pulled out of a parking
> lot
> > > the
> > > > other day, something felt like it wanted to bind in the gear. I'm
> > > literally
> > > > on the verge of a "bind".
> > > > I really appreciate any advice I can get 'cause it's my daily
driver
> 4
> > > > miles to work.
> > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > > > news:40819860.D2EF8586@***.net...
> > > > > Hi Jim,
> > > > > There's a zillion old Jeeps running around with that setup.
But
> I'd
> > > > > really try to keep it with the stock sized box, shafts and column,
> it'll
> > > > > probably save you time improvising, and a whole lot easier for the
> next
> > > > > owner. There's also a big difference between passenger and Jeep
> steering
> > > > > ratios, three turns lock to lock is about twice as fast a Jeep.
> > > > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > > > >
> > > > > Drink wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I have an old tilt steering column (column shift), shaft and
> power
> > > > > > steering gear box from a Chevy caprice (model unknown but it
> looked
> > > late
> > > > > > 80's to very early 90's). I want to convert to power steering
and
> the
> > > > tilt
> > > > > > would nice. I bought a Jeep power steering shaft.
> > > > > > Overall, the column is longer than my Jeep and the shaft is
much
> > > > shorter
> > > > > > than my stock. Does anybody know if I can use the Chevy tilt
> column
> > > and
> > > > > > gear box in the Jeep if I have a new power steering shaft?
> > > > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > > > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > > > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:407D7D8D.9F1F0A82@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > > > GM uses the same Saganaw steering column so you have a large
> choice
> > > > for
> > > > > > > colors, tilt, etc. at the wreckers..
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Daudi wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Ah. Yes. My wrangler is a 1987. The cherokee being parted
out
> is
> > > > early
> > > > > > > > 90's I believe. I actually haven't asked because the idea
just
> > > > recently
> > > > > > > > occured to me.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Wrangler's use GM steering columns?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Mike Romain wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > You need to give us some years and makes.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Apparently they changed the column from the Saganaw unit
> every
> > > GM
> > > > van,
> > > > > > > > > Camaro, Chevette and pickup uses in the mid 90's to
> something
> > > > else.
> > > > > > One
> > > > > > > > > person that doesn't usually have accurate info says it was
> in
> > > 94,
> > > > but
> > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > would suspect the change was with the TJ, not in the
middle
> of
> > > the
> > > > > > > > > production run of the YJ's.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The GM units are a fast easy swap. A couple bolts under
the
> > > dash,
> > > > a
> > > > > > > > > couple at the firewall and one spline bolt outside the
> firewall.
> > > > You
> > > > > > > > > pull and out it comes.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in
> '00
> > > > > > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Daudi wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >>The adjustable steering column in my wrangler is very
loose;
> > > > sloppy
> > > > > > down
> > > > > > > > >>in the pivot, the joint. I am worried that it may come
apart
> > > some
> > > > day
> > > > > > > > >>when driving.
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >>I've had the steering wheel come off a car when driving
> (long,
> > > > long
> > > > > > ago
> > > > > > > > >>when we bought cars for $50) but that was easy to put back
> on. A
> > > > > > > > >>separated U-joint down inside the steering column seems
like
> it
> > > > would
> > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > >>more difficult to arrange.
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >>I can find a steering column from a parting out cherokee.
> Are
> > > they
> > > > > > > > >>interchangable?
> > > >
> > > >
>
>
The only difference between the power/manual steering shaft is that the
input shaft to the box is 3/4in for the manual box and 13/16in for the
powered box. Length is identical.
The GM box I have has a much smaller input shaft with a peg coming out the
end of the shaft so the Jeep shaft won't slip on regardless of shaft
diameter. It looks as though I'll have to break down and bite the bullet to
buy a new Jeep box. I really wanted to go with an AGR box and still might;
having to put off the engine/tranny swap til I get a little more money.
Anybody heard this about the shaft diameter for GM vice Jeep? Having that
tilt wheel would've been nice.
o_o_o_o
Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
"Drink" <drink@gnt.net> wrote in message
news:c63ohh$b5e$1@news.utelfla.com...
> Good idea, Mike. Didn't even consider a simple hose clamp since there's
> no pressure on the fluid. It's too simple. The original box is so shot
> that a lightning fast lane change is where I'm at already. The only
> difference is that there's so much play that it does it on it's own:(
This
> is just a temporary fix in the interim 'til I can get the other drivetrain
> in and get the right pump, reservoir, etc. Is the steering gonna be
really
> hard like when you kill the engine with power steering or is that just the
> drag of a non-turning pump?
> The Saginaw box appears identical to mine but I think it's just a tad
bit
> extended to accommodate the hoses. I have both steering columns from the
> Caprice and the Jeep and bought a power steering shaft to boot. If I can,
> I'll use the tilt wheel column from the Caprice and the power steering
shaft
> for the Jeep to connect to the gear box. Once the drivetrain's swapped
and
> I know what brackets and pump I need, I'll finish by changing the steering
> gear box. Maybe even a new AGR box.
> How's this all sound? Am I tracking right? Am I missing something?
>
> --
>
> o_o_o_o
> Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:40855F2F.F0DFFE7E@sympatico.ca...
> > What Bill is saying makes sense about mixing 'car' boxes and Jeep boxes.
> >
> > Someone else here has the same issue, the 'car' box is way too fast.
> >
> > I really don't know what you should expect mixing them up. The other
> > poster sure doesn't like it. I now know what he was complaining about.
> > I was thinking he has a camber issue because his steering won't track
> > back straight after a turn. Or too short of a pinion arm, but he
> > checked and it is the same.
> >
> > Now it makes more sense, the gear ratio is too tight to allow it to
> > track back straight by itself, it has to be pulled back. He was
> > grumbling something about ditches and front lawns and lane changes
> > faster than you can blink.....
> > I would run fluid in the power box if you do decide to use it, even if
> > the power isn't there. I would just hook the output to the input with a
> > hose clamp.
> >
> > I don't know what column you are playing with. The Saganaw unit that
> > the 80's GM have is exactly the same as the one in my 86 CJ7.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Drink wrote:
> > >
> > > Mike,
> > > I see that you're up this morning. Feel free to chime in with your
> > > thoughts since the question's for anybody with insight.
> > > o_o_o_o
> > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > "Drink" <drink@gnt.net> wrote in message
> > > news:c63ib0$6dp$1@news.utelfla.com...
> > > > Bill,
> > > > My manual steering box is shot and I have to replace it urgently.
> I'm
> > > > converting to a small block Chevy and NV4500 really soon and will
> convert
> > > to
> > > > power steering but don't have the pump/brackets/hoses yet. The
> Caprice's
> > > > steering box appears the same, only a bit longer since it's power
> > > steering.
> > > > I'll get a correct box but this is all I have right now.
> > > > Can I put in the Caprice's power steering box for now and run it
> like a
> > > > manual box without hurting the box or struggling without the pump's
> > > assist?
> > > > Any ideas on how to bypass the pump & reservoir? (I have a 2" body
> lift
> > > if
> > > > that makes a difference.)
> > > > I know steering will by fast and touchy but the manual box is just
> > > unsafe.
> > > > It's adjusted to the point that the nut barely has a thread to hang
on
> to
> > > > and still has about 1/2 a full turn on the steering wheel of play.
> Deep
> > > > wheel ruts on the road make me fishtail as I steer back and forth to
> keep
> > > it
> > > > under control so I stay under 45mph. When I pulled out of a parking
> lot
> > > the
> > > > other day, something felt like it wanted to bind in the gear. I'm
> > > literally
> > > > on the verge of a "bind".
> > > > I really appreciate any advice I can get 'cause it's my daily
driver
> 4
> > > > miles to work.
> > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > > > news:40819860.D2EF8586@***.net...
> > > > > Hi Jim,
> > > > > There's a zillion old Jeeps running around with that setup.
But
> I'd
> > > > > really try to keep it with the stock sized box, shafts and column,
> it'll
> > > > > probably save you time improvising, and a whole lot easier for the
> next
> > > > > owner. There's also a big difference between passenger and Jeep
> steering
> > > > > ratios, three turns lock to lock is about twice as fast a Jeep.
> > > > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > > > >
> > > > > Drink wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I have an old tilt steering column (column shift), shaft and
> power
> > > > > > steering gear box from a Chevy caprice (model unknown but it
> looked
> > > late
> > > > > > 80's to very early 90's). I want to convert to power steering
and
> the
> > > > tilt
> > > > > > would nice. I bought a Jeep power steering shaft.
> > > > > > Overall, the column is longer than my Jeep and the shaft is
much
> > > > shorter
> > > > > > than my stock. Does anybody know if I can use the Chevy tilt
> column
> > > and
> > > > > > gear box in the Jeep if I have a new power steering shaft?
> > > > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > > > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > > > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:407D7D8D.9F1F0A82@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > > > GM uses the same Saganaw steering column so you have a large
> choice
> > > > for
> > > > > > > colors, tilt, etc. at the wreckers..
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Daudi wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Ah. Yes. My wrangler is a 1987. The cherokee being parted
out
> is
> > > > early
> > > > > > > > 90's I believe. I actually haven't asked because the idea
just
> > > > recently
> > > > > > > > occured to me.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Wrangler's use GM steering columns?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Mike Romain wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > You need to give us some years and makes.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Apparently they changed the column from the Saganaw unit
> every
> > > GM
> > > > van,
> > > > > > > > > Camaro, Chevette and pickup uses in the mid 90's to
> something
> > > > else.
> > > > > > One
> > > > > > > > > person that doesn't usually have accurate info says it was
> in
> > > 94,
> > > > but
> > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > would suspect the change was with the TJ, not in the
middle
> of
> > > the
> > > > > > > > > production run of the YJ's.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The GM units are a fast easy swap. A couple bolts under
the
> > > dash,
> > > > a
> > > > > > > > > couple at the firewall and one spline bolt outside the
> firewall.
> > > > You
> > > > > > > > > pull and out it comes.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in
> '00
> > > > > > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Daudi wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >>The adjustable steering column in my wrangler is very
loose;
> > > > sloppy
> > > > > > down
> > > > > > > > >>in the pivot, the joint. I am worried that it may come
apart
> > > some
> > > > day
> > > > > > > > >>when driving.
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >>I've had the steering wheel come off a car when driving
> (long,
> > > > long
> > > > > > ago
> > > > > > > > >>when we bought cars for $50) but that was easy to put back
> on. A
> > > > > > > > >>separated U-joint down inside the steering column seems
like
> it
> > > > would
> > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > >>more difficult to arrange.
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >>I can find a steering column from a parting out cherokee.
> Are
> > > they
> > > > > > > > >>interchangable?
> > > >
> > > >
>
>
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Re: steering columns- cherokee to wrangler?
Just got off the line with 4WDHardware and they told me the following.
The only difference between the power/manual steering shaft is that the
input shaft to the box is 3/4in for the manual box and 13/16in for the
powered box. Length is identical.
The GM box I have has a much smaller input shaft with a peg coming out the
end of the shaft so the Jeep shaft won't slip on regardless of shaft
diameter. It looks as though I'll have to break down and bite the bullet to
buy a new Jeep box. I really wanted to go with an AGR box and still might;
having to put off the engine/tranny swap til I get a little more money.
Anybody heard this about the shaft diameter for GM vice Jeep? Having that
tilt wheel would've been nice.
o_o_o_o
Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
"Drink" <drink@gnt.net> wrote in message
news:c63ohh$b5e$1@news.utelfla.com...
> Good idea, Mike. Didn't even consider a simple hose clamp since there's
> no pressure on the fluid. It's too simple. The original box is so shot
> that a lightning fast lane change is where I'm at already. The only
> difference is that there's so much play that it does it on it's own:(
This
> is just a temporary fix in the interim 'til I can get the other drivetrain
> in and get the right pump, reservoir, etc. Is the steering gonna be
really
> hard like when you kill the engine with power steering or is that just the
> drag of a non-turning pump?
> The Saginaw box appears identical to mine but I think it's just a tad
bit
> extended to accommodate the hoses. I have both steering columns from the
> Caprice and the Jeep and bought a power steering shaft to boot. If I can,
> I'll use the tilt wheel column from the Caprice and the power steering
shaft
> for the Jeep to connect to the gear box. Once the drivetrain's swapped
and
> I know what brackets and pump I need, I'll finish by changing the steering
> gear box. Maybe even a new AGR box.
> How's this all sound? Am I tracking right? Am I missing something?
>
> --
>
> o_o_o_o
> Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:40855F2F.F0DFFE7E@sympatico.ca...
> > What Bill is saying makes sense about mixing 'car' boxes and Jeep boxes.
> >
> > Someone else here has the same issue, the 'car' box is way too fast.
> >
> > I really don't know what you should expect mixing them up. The other
> > poster sure doesn't like it. I now know what he was complaining about.
> > I was thinking he has a camber issue because his steering won't track
> > back straight after a turn. Or too short of a pinion arm, but he
> > checked and it is the same.
> >
> > Now it makes more sense, the gear ratio is too tight to allow it to
> > track back straight by itself, it has to be pulled back. He was
> > grumbling something about ditches and front lawns and lane changes
> > faster than you can blink.....
> > I would run fluid in the power box if you do decide to use it, even if
> > the power isn't there. I would just hook the output to the input with a
> > hose clamp.
> >
> > I don't know what column you are playing with. The Saganaw unit that
> > the 80's GM have is exactly the same as the one in my 86 CJ7.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Drink wrote:
> > >
> > > Mike,
> > > I see that you're up this morning. Feel free to chime in with your
> > > thoughts since the question's for anybody with insight.
> > > o_o_o_o
> > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > "Drink" <drink@gnt.net> wrote in message
> > > news:c63ib0$6dp$1@news.utelfla.com...
> > > > Bill,
> > > > My manual steering box is shot and I have to replace it urgently.
> I'm
> > > > converting to a small block Chevy and NV4500 really soon and will
> convert
> > > to
> > > > power steering but don't have the pump/brackets/hoses yet. The
> Caprice's
> > > > steering box appears the same, only a bit longer since it's power
> > > steering.
> > > > I'll get a correct box but this is all I have right now.
> > > > Can I put in the Caprice's power steering box for now and run it
> like a
> > > > manual box without hurting the box or struggling without the pump's
> > > assist?
> > > > Any ideas on how to bypass the pump & reservoir? (I have a 2" body
> lift
> > > if
> > > > that makes a difference.)
> > > > I know steering will by fast and touchy but the manual box is just
> > > unsafe.
> > > > It's adjusted to the point that the nut barely has a thread to hang
on
> to
> > > > and still has about 1/2 a full turn on the steering wheel of play.
> Deep
> > > > wheel ruts on the road make me fishtail as I steer back and forth to
> keep
> > > it
> > > > under control so I stay under 45mph. When I pulled out of a parking
> lot
> > > the
> > > > other day, something felt like it wanted to bind in the gear. I'm
> > > literally
> > > > on the verge of a "bind".
> > > > I really appreciate any advice I can get 'cause it's my daily
driver
> 4
> > > > miles to work.
> > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > > > news:40819860.D2EF8586@***.net...
> > > > > Hi Jim,
> > > > > There's a zillion old Jeeps running around with that setup.
But
> I'd
> > > > > really try to keep it with the stock sized box, shafts and column,
> it'll
> > > > > probably save you time improvising, and a whole lot easier for the
> next
> > > > > owner. There's also a big difference between passenger and Jeep
> steering
> > > > > ratios, three turns lock to lock is about twice as fast a Jeep.
> > > > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > > > >
> > > > > Drink wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I have an old tilt steering column (column shift), shaft and
> power
> > > > > > steering gear box from a Chevy caprice (model unknown but it
> looked
> > > late
> > > > > > 80's to very early 90's). I want to convert to power steering
and
> the
> > > > tilt
> > > > > > would nice. I bought a Jeep power steering shaft.
> > > > > > Overall, the column is longer than my Jeep and the shaft is
much
> > > > shorter
> > > > > > than my stock. Does anybody know if I can use the Chevy tilt
> column
> > > and
> > > > > > gear box in the Jeep if I have a new power steering shaft?
> > > > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > > > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > > > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:407D7D8D.9F1F0A82@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > > > GM uses the same Saganaw steering column so you have a large
> choice
> > > > for
> > > > > > > colors, tilt, etc. at the wreckers..
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Daudi wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Ah. Yes. My wrangler is a 1987. The cherokee being parted
out
> is
> > > > early
> > > > > > > > 90's I believe. I actually haven't asked because the idea
just
> > > > recently
> > > > > > > > occured to me.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Wrangler's use GM steering columns?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Mike Romain wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > You need to give us some years and makes.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Apparently they changed the column from the Saganaw unit
> every
> > > GM
> > > > van,
> > > > > > > > > Camaro, Chevette and pickup uses in the mid 90's to
> something
> > > > else.
> > > > > > One
> > > > > > > > > person that doesn't usually have accurate info says it was
> in
> > > 94,
> > > > but
> > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > would suspect the change was with the TJ, not in the
middle
> of
> > > the
> > > > > > > > > production run of the YJ's.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The GM units are a fast easy swap. A couple bolts under
the
> > > dash,
> > > > a
> > > > > > > > > couple at the firewall and one spline bolt outside the
> firewall.
> > > > You
> > > > > > > > > pull and out it comes.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in
> '00
> > > > > > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Daudi wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >>The adjustable steering column in my wrangler is very
loose;
> > > > sloppy
> > > > > > down
> > > > > > > > >>in the pivot, the joint. I am worried that it may come
apart
> > > some
> > > > day
> > > > > > > > >>when driving.
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >>I've had the steering wheel come off a car when driving
> (long,
> > > > long
> > > > > > ago
> > > > > > > > >>when we bought cars for $50) but that was easy to put back
> on. A
> > > > > > > > >>separated U-joint down inside the steering column seems
like
> it
> > > > would
> > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > >>more difficult to arrange.
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >>I can find a steering column from a parting out cherokee.
> Are
> > > they
> > > > > > > > >>interchangable?
> > > >
> > > >
>
>
The only difference between the power/manual steering shaft is that the
input shaft to the box is 3/4in for the manual box and 13/16in for the
powered box. Length is identical.
The GM box I have has a much smaller input shaft with a peg coming out the
end of the shaft so the Jeep shaft won't slip on regardless of shaft
diameter. It looks as though I'll have to break down and bite the bullet to
buy a new Jeep box. I really wanted to go with an AGR box and still might;
having to put off the engine/tranny swap til I get a little more money.
Anybody heard this about the shaft diameter for GM vice Jeep? Having that
tilt wheel would've been nice.
o_o_o_o
Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
"Drink" <drink@gnt.net> wrote in message
news:c63ohh$b5e$1@news.utelfla.com...
> Good idea, Mike. Didn't even consider a simple hose clamp since there's
> no pressure on the fluid. It's too simple. The original box is so shot
> that a lightning fast lane change is where I'm at already. The only
> difference is that there's so much play that it does it on it's own:(
This
> is just a temporary fix in the interim 'til I can get the other drivetrain
> in and get the right pump, reservoir, etc. Is the steering gonna be
really
> hard like when you kill the engine with power steering or is that just the
> drag of a non-turning pump?
> The Saginaw box appears identical to mine but I think it's just a tad
bit
> extended to accommodate the hoses. I have both steering columns from the
> Caprice and the Jeep and bought a power steering shaft to boot. If I can,
> I'll use the tilt wheel column from the Caprice and the power steering
shaft
> for the Jeep to connect to the gear box. Once the drivetrain's swapped
and
> I know what brackets and pump I need, I'll finish by changing the steering
> gear box. Maybe even a new AGR box.
> How's this all sound? Am I tracking right? Am I missing something?
>
> --
>
> o_o_o_o
> Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:40855F2F.F0DFFE7E@sympatico.ca...
> > What Bill is saying makes sense about mixing 'car' boxes and Jeep boxes.
> >
> > Someone else here has the same issue, the 'car' box is way too fast.
> >
> > I really don't know what you should expect mixing them up. The other
> > poster sure doesn't like it. I now know what he was complaining about.
> > I was thinking he has a camber issue because his steering won't track
> > back straight after a turn. Or too short of a pinion arm, but he
> > checked and it is the same.
> >
> > Now it makes more sense, the gear ratio is too tight to allow it to
> > track back straight by itself, it has to be pulled back. He was
> > grumbling something about ditches and front lawns and lane changes
> > faster than you can blink.....
> > I would run fluid in the power box if you do decide to use it, even if
> > the power isn't there. I would just hook the output to the input with a
> > hose clamp.
> >
> > I don't know what column you are playing with. The Saganaw unit that
> > the 80's GM have is exactly the same as the one in my 86 CJ7.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Drink wrote:
> > >
> > > Mike,
> > > I see that you're up this morning. Feel free to chime in with your
> > > thoughts since the question's for anybody with insight.
> > > o_o_o_o
> > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > "Drink" <drink@gnt.net> wrote in message
> > > news:c63ib0$6dp$1@news.utelfla.com...
> > > > Bill,
> > > > My manual steering box is shot and I have to replace it urgently.
> I'm
> > > > converting to a small block Chevy and NV4500 really soon and will
> convert
> > > to
> > > > power steering but don't have the pump/brackets/hoses yet. The
> Caprice's
> > > > steering box appears the same, only a bit longer since it's power
> > > steering.
> > > > I'll get a correct box but this is all I have right now.
> > > > Can I put in the Caprice's power steering box for now and run it
> like a
> > > > manual box without hurting the box or struggling without the pump's
> > > assist?
> > > > Any ideas on how to bypass the pump & reservoir? (I have a 2" body
> lift
> > > if
> > > > that makes a difference.)
> > > > I know steering will by fast and touchy but the manual box is just
> > > unsafe.
> > > > It's adjusted to the point that the nut barely has a thread to hang
on
> to
> > > > and still has about 1/2 a full turn on the steering wheel of play.
> Deep
> > > > wheel ruts on the road make me fishtail as I steer back and forth to
> keep
> > > it
> > > > under control so I stay under 45mph. When I pulled out of a parking
> lot
> > > the
> > > > other day, something felt like it wanted to bind in the gear. I'm
> > > literally
> > > > on the verge of a "bind".
> > > > I really appreciate any advice I can get 'cause it's my daily
driver
> 4
> > > > miles to work.
> > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > > > news:40819860.D2EF8586@***.net...
> > > > > Hi Jim,
> > > > > There's a zillion old Jeeps running around with that setup.
But
> I'd
> > > > > really try to keep it with the stock sized box, shafts and column,
> it'll
> > > > > probably save you time improvising, and a whole lot easier for the
> next
> > > > > owner. There's also a big difference between passenger and Jeep
> steering
> > > > > ratios, three turns lock to lock is about twice as fast a Jeep.
> > > > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > > > >
> > > > > Drink wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I have an old tilt steering column (column shift), shaft and
> power
> > > > > > steering gear box from a Chevy caprice (model unknown but it
> looked
> > > late
> > > > > > 80's to very early 90's). I want to convert to power steering
and
> the
> > > > tilt
> > > > > > would nice. I bought a Jeep power steering shaft.
> > > > > > Overall, the column is longer than my Jeep and the shaft is
much
> > > > shorter
> > > > > > than my stock. Does anybody know if I can use the Chevy tilt
> column
> > > and
> > > > > > gear box in the Jeep if I have a new power steering shaft?
> > > > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > > > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > > > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:407D7D8D.9F1F0A82@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > > > GM uses the same Saganaw steering column so you have a large
> choice
> > > > for
> > > > > > > colors, tilt, etc. at the wreckers..
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Daudi wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Ah. Yes. My wrangler is a 1987. The cherokee being parted
out
> is
> > > > early
> > > > > > > > 90's I believe. I actually haven't asked because the idea
just
> > > > recently
> > > > > > > > occured to me.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Wrangler's use GM steering columns?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Mike Romain wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > You need to give us some years and makes.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Apparently they changed the column from the Saganaw unit
> every
> > > GM
> > > > van,
> > > > > > > > > Camaro, Chevette and pickup uses in the mid 90's to
> something
> > > > else.
> > > > > > One
> > > > > > > > > person that doesn't usually have accurate info says it was
> in
> > > 94,
> > > > but
> > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > would suspect the change was with the TJ, not in the
middle
> of
> > > the
> > > > > > > > > production run of the YJ's.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The GM units are a fast easy swap. A couple bolts under
the
> > > dash,
> > > > a
> > > > > > > > > couple at the firewall and one spline bolt outside the
> firewall.
> > > > You
> > > > > > > > > pull and out it comes.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in
> '00
> > > > > > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Daudi wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >>The adjustable steering column in my wrangler is very
loose;
> > > > sloppy
> > > > > > down
> > > > > > > > >>in the pivot, the joint. I am worried that it may come
apart
> > > some
> > > > day
> > > > > > > > >>when driving.
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >>I've had the steering wheel come off a car when driving
> (long,
> > > > long
> > > > > > ago
> > > > > > > > >>when we bought cars for $50) but that was easy to put back
> on. A
> > > > > > > > >>separated U-joint down inside the steering column seems
like
> it
> > > > would
> > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > >>more difficult to arrange.
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >>I can find a steering column from a parting out cherokee.
> Are
> > > they
> > > > > > > > >>interchangable?
> > > >
> > > >
>
>
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: steering columns- cherokee to wrangler?
Sounds about right. It will be 'armstrong' steering for sure, way
harder than standard steering.
Mike
Drink wrote:
>
> Good idea, Mike. Didn't even consider a simple hose clamp since there's
> no pressure on the fluid. It's too simple. The original box is so shot
> that a lightning fast lane change is where I'm at already. The only
> difference is that there's so much play that it does it on it's own:( This
> is just a temporary fix in the interim 'til I can get the other drivetrain
> in and get the right pump, reservoir, etc. Is the steering gonna be really
> hard like when you kill the engine with power steering or is that just the
> drag of a non-turning pump?
> The Saginaw box appears identical to mine but I think it's just a tad bit
> extended to accommodate the hoses. I have both steering columns from the
> Caprice and the Jeep and bought a power steering shaft to boot. If I can,
> I'll use the tilt wheel column from the Caprice and the power steering shaft
> for the Jeep to connect to the gear box. Once the drivetrain's swapped and
> I know what brackets and pump I need, I'll finish by changing the steering
> gear box. Maybe even a new AGR box.
> How's this all sound? Am I tracking right? Am I missing something?
>
> --
>
> o_o_o_o
> Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:40855F2F.F0DFFE7E@sympatico.ca...
> > What Bill is saying makes sense about mixing 'car' boxes and Jeep boxes.
> >
> > Someone else here has the same issue, the 'car' box is way too fast.
> >
> > I really don't know what you should expect mixing them up. The other
> > poster sure doesn't like it. I now know what he was complaining about.
> > I was thinking he has a camber issue because his steering won't track
> > back straight after a turn. Or too short of a pinion arm, but he
> > checked and it is the same.
> >
> > Now it makes more sense, the gear ratio is too tight to allow it to
> > track back straight by itself, it has to be pulled back. He was
> > grumbling something about ditches and front lawns and lane changes
> > faster than you can blink.....
> > I would run fluid in the power box if you do decide to use it, even if
> > the power isn't there. I would just hook the output to the input with a
> > hose clamp.
> >
> > I don't know what column you are playing with. The Saganaw unit that
> > the 80's GM have is exactly the same as the one in my 86 CJ7.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Drink wrote:
> > >
> > > Mike,
> > > I see that you're up this morning. Feel free to chime in with your
> > > thoughts since the question's for anybody with insight.
> > > o_o_o_o
> > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > "Drink" <drink@gnt.net> wrote in message
> > > news:c63ib0$6dp$1@news.utelfla.com...
> > > > Bill,
> > > > My manual steering box is shot and I have to replace it urgently.
> I'm
> > > > converting to a small block Chevy and NV4500 really soon and will
> convert
> > > to
> > > > power steering but don't have the pump/brackets/hoses yet. The
> Caprice's
> > > > steering box appears the same, only a bit longer since it's power
> > > steering.
> > > > I'll get a correct box but this is all I have right now.
> > > > Can I put in the Caprice's power steering box for now and run it
> like a
> > > > manual box without hurting the box or struggling without the pump's
> > > assist?
> > > > Any ideas on how to bypass the pump & reservoir? (I have a 2" body
> lift
> > > if
> > > > that makes a difference.)
> > > > I know steering will by fast and touchy but the manual box is just
> > > unsafe.
> > > > It's adjusted to the point that the nut barely has a thread to hang on
> to
> > > > and still has about 1/2 a full turn on the steering wheel of play.
> Deep
> > > > wheel ruts on the road make me fishtail as I steer back and forth to
> keep
> > > it
> > > > under control so I stay under 45mph. When I pulled out of a parking
> lot
> > > the
> > > > other day, something felt like it wanted to bind in the gear. I'm
> > > literally
> > > > on the verge of a "bind".
> > > > I really appreciate any advice I can get 'cause it's my daily driver
> 4
> > > > miles to work.
> > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > > > news:40819860.D2EF8586@***.net...
> > > > > Hi Jim,
> > > > > There's a zillion old Jeeps running around with that setup. But
> I'd
> > > > > really try to keep it with the stock sized box, shafts and column,
> it'll
> > > > > probably save you time improvising, and a whole lot easier for the
> next
> > > > > owner. There's also a big difference between passenger and Jeep
> steering
> > > > > ratios, three turns lock to lock is about twice as fast a Jeep.
> > > > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > > > >
> > > > > Drink wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I have an old tilt steering column (column shift), shaft and
> power
> > > > > > steering gear box from a Chevy caprice (model unknown but it
> looked
> > > late
> > > > > > 80's to very early 90's). I want to convert to power steering and
> the
> > > > tilt
> > > > > > would nice. I bought a Jeep power steering shaft.
> > > > > > Overall, the column is longer than my Jeep and the shaft is much
> > > > shorter
> > > > > > than my stock. Does anybody know if I can use the Chevy tilt
> column
> > > and
> > > > > > gear box in the Jeep if I have a new power steering shaft?
> > > > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > > > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > > > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:407D7D8D.9F1F0A82@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > > > GM uses the same Saganaw steering column so you have a large
> choice
> > > > for
> > > > > > > colors, tilt, etc. at the wreckers..
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Daudi wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Ah. Yes. My wrangler is a 1987. The cherokee being parted out
> is
> > > > early
> > > > > > > > 90's I believe. I actually haven't asked because the idea just
> > > > recently
> > > > > > > > occured to me.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Wrangler's use GM steering columns?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Mike Romain wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > You need to give us some years and makes.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Apparently they changed the column from the Saganaw unit
> every
> > > GM
> > > > van,
> > > > > > > > > Camaro, Chevette and pickup uses in the mid 90's to
> something
> > > > else.
> > > > > > One
> > > > > > > > > person that doesn't usually have accurate info says it was
> in
> > > 94,
> > > > but
> > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > would suspect the change was with the TJ, not in the middle
> of
> > > the
> > > > > > > > > production run of the YJ's.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The GM units are a fast easy swap. A couple bolts under the
> > > dash,
> > > > a
> > > > > > > > > couple at the firewall and one spline bolt outside the
> firewall.
> > > > You
> > > > > > > > > pull and out it comes.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in
> '00
> > > > > > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Daudi wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >>The adjustable steering column in my wrangler is very loose;
> > > > sloppy
> > > > > > down
> > > > > > > > >>in the pivot, the joint. I am worried that it may come apart
> > > some
> > > > day
> > > > > > > > >>when driving.
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >>I've had the steering wheel come off a car when driving
> (long,
> > > > long
> > > > > > ago
> > > > > > > > >>when we bought cars for $50) but that was easy to put back
> on. A
> > > > > > > > >>separated U-joint down inside the steering column seems like
> it
> > > > would
> > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > >>more difficult to arrange.
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >>I can find a steering column from a parting out cherokee.
> Are
> > > they
> > > > > > > > >>interchangable?
> > > >
> > > >
Drink wrote:
>
> Good idea, Mike. Didn't even consider a simple hose clamp since there's
> no pressure on the fluid. It's too simple. The original box is so shot
> that a lightning fast lane change is where I'm at already. The only
> difference is that there's so much play that it does it on it's own:( This
> is just a temporary fix in the interim 'til I can get the other drivetrain
> in and get the right pump, reservoir, etc. Is the steering gonna be really
> hard like when you kill the engine with power steering or is that just the
> drag of a non-turning pump?
> The Saginaw box appears identical to mine but I think it's just a tad bit
> extended to accommodate the hoses. I have both steering columns from the
> Caprice and the Jeep and bought a power steering shaft to boot. If I can,
> I'll use the tilt wheel column from the Caprice and the power steering shaft
> for the Jeep to connect to the gear box. Once the drivetrain's swapped and
> I know what brackets and pump I need, I'll finish by changing the steering
> gear box. Maybe even a new AGR box.
> How's this all sound? Am I tracking right? Am I missing something?
>
> --
>
> o_o_o_o
> Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:40855F2F.F0DFFE7E@sympatico.ca...
> > What Bill is saying makes sense about mixing 'car' boxes and Jeep boxes.
> >
> > Someone else here has the same issue, the 'car' box is way too fast.
> >
> > I really don't know what you should expect mixing them up. The other
> > poster sure doesn't like it. I now know what he was complaining about.
> > I was thinking he has a camber issue because his steering won't track
> > back straight after a turn. Or too short of a pinion arm, but he
> > checked and it is the same.
> >
> > Now it makes more sense, the gear ratio is too tight to allow it to
> > track back straight by itself, it has to be pulled back. He was
> > grumbling something about ditches and front lawns and lane changes
> > faster than you can blink.....
> > I would run fluid in the power box if you do decide to use it, even if
> > the power isn't there. I would just hook the output to the input with a
> > hose clamp.
> >
> > I don't know what column you are playing with. The Saganaw unit that
> > the 80's GM have is exactly the same as the one in my 86 CJ7.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Drink wrote:
> > >
> > > Mike,
> > > I see that you're up this morning. Feel free to chime in with your
> > > thoughts since the question's for anybody with insight.
> > > o_o_o_o
> > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > "Drink" <drink@gnt.net> wrote in message
> > > news:c63ib0$6dp$1@news.utelfla.com...
> > > > Bill,
> > > > My manual steering box is shot and I have to replace it urgently.
> I'm
> > > > converting to a small block Chevy and NV4500 really soon and will
> convert
> > > to
> > > > power steering but don't have the pump/brackets/hoses yet. The
> Caprice's
> > > > steering box appears the same, only a bit longer since it's power
> > > steering.
> > > > I'll get a correct box but this is all I have right now.
> > > > Can I put in the Caprice's power steering box for now and run it
> like a
> > > > manual box without hurting the box or struggling without the pump's
> > > assist?
> > > > Any ideas on how to bypass the pump & reservoir? (I have a 2" body
> lift
> > > if
> > > > that makes a difference.)
> > > > I know steering will by fast and touchy but the manual box is just
> > > unsafe.
> > > > It's adjusted to the point that the nut barely has a thread to hang on
> to
> > > > and still has about 1/2 a full turn on the steering wheel of play.
> Deep
> > > > wheel ruts on the road make me fishtail as I steer back and forth to
> keep
> > > it
> > > > under control so I stay under 45mph. When I pulled out of a parking
> lot
> > > the
> > > > other day, something felt like it wanted to bind in the gear. I'm
> > > literally
> > > > on the verge of a "bind".
> > > > I really appreciate any advice I can get 'cause it's my daily driver
> 4
> > > > miles to work.
> > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > > > news:40819860.D2EF8586@***.net...
> > > > > Hi Jim,
> > > > > There's a zillion old Jeeps running around with that setup. But
> I'd
> > > > > really try to keep it with the stock sized box, shafts and column,
> it'll
> > > > > probably save you time improvising, and a whole lot easier for the
> next
> > > > > owner. There's also a big difference between passenger and Jeep
> steering
> > > > > ratios, three turns lock to lock is about twice as fast a Jeep.
> > > > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > > > >
> > > > > Drink wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I have an old tilt steering column (column shift), shaft and
> power
> > > > > > steering gear box from a Chevy caprice (model unknown but it
> looked
> > > late
> > > > > > 80's to very early 90's). I want to convert to power steering and
> the
> > > > tilt
> > > > > > would nice. I bought a Jeep power steering shaft.
> > > > > > Overall, the column is longer than my Jeep and the shaft is much
> > > > shorter
> > > > > > than my stock. Does anybody know if I can use the Chevy tilt
> column
> > > and
> > > > > > gear box in the Jeep if I have a new power steering shaft?
> > > > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > > > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > > > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:407D7D8D.9F1F0A82@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > > > GM uses the same Saganaw steering column so you have a large
> choice
> > > > for
> > > > > > > colors, tilt, etc. at the wreckers..
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Daudi wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Ah. Yes. My wrangler is a 1987. The cherokee being parted out
> is
> > > > early
> > > > > > > > 90's I believe. I actually haven't asked because the idea just
> > > > recently
> > > > > > > > occured to me.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Wrangler's use GM steering columns?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Mike Romain wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > You need to give us some years and makes.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Apparently they changed the column from the Saganaw unit
> every
> > > GM
> > > > van,
> > > > > > > > > Camaro, Chevette and pickup uses in the mid 90's to
> something
> > > > else.
> > > > > > One
> > > > > > > > > person that doesn't usually have accurate info says it was
> in
> > > 94,
> > > > but
> > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > would suspect the change was with the TJ, not in the middle
> of
> > > the
> > > > > > > > > production run of the YJ's.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The GM units are a fast easy swap. A couple bolts under the
> > > dash,
> > > > a
> > > > > > > > > couple at the firewall and one spline bolt outside the
> firewall.
> > > > You
> > > > > > > > > pull and out it comes.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in
> '00
> > > > > > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Daudi wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >>The adjustable steering column in my wrangler is very loose;
> > > > sloppy
> > > > > > down
> > > > > > > > >>in the pivot, the joint. I am worried that it may come apart
> > > some
> > > > day
> > > > > > > > >>when driving.
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >>I've had the steering wheel come off a car when driving
> (long,
> > > > long
> > > > > > ago
> > > > > > > > >>when we bought cars for $50) but that was easy to put back
> on. A
> > > > > > > > >>separated U-joint down inside the steering column seems like
> it
> > > > would
> > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > >>more difficult to arrange.
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >>I can find a steering column from a parting out cherokee.
> Are
> > > they
> > > > > > > > >>interchangable?
> > > >
> > > >
harder than standard steering.
Mike
Drink wrote:
>
> Good idea, Mike. Didn't even consider a simple hose clamp since there's
> no pressure on the fluid. It's too simple. The original box is so shot
> that a lightning fast lane change is where I'm at already. The only
> difference is that there's so much play that it does it on it's own:( This
> is just a temporary fix in the interim 'til I can get the other drivetrain
> in and get the right pump, reservoir, etc. Is the steering gonna be really
> hard like when you kill the engine with power steering or is that just the
> drag of a non-turning pump?
> The Saginaw box appears identical to mine but I think it's just a tad bit
> extended to accommodate the hoses. I have both steering columns from the
> Caprice and the Jeep and bought a power steering shaft to boot. If I can,
> I'll use the tilt wheel column from the Caprice and the power steering shaft
> for the Jeep to connect to the gear box. Once the drivetrain's swapped and
> I know what brackets and pump I need, I'll finish by changing the steering
> gear box. Maybe even a new AGR box.
> How's this all sound? Am I tracking right? Am I missing something?
>
> --
>
> o_o_o_o
> Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:40855F2F.F0DFFE7E@sympatico.ca...
> > What Bill is saying makes sense about mixing 'car' boxes and Jeep boxes.
> >
> > Someone else here has the same issue, the 'car' box is way too fast.
> >
> > I really don't know what you should expect mixing them up. The other
> > poster sure doesn't like it. I now know what he was complaining about.
> > I was thinking he has a camber issue because his steering won't track
> > back straight after a turn. Or too short of a pinion arm, but he
> > checked and it is the same.
> >
> > Now it makes more sense, the gear ratio is too tight to allow it to
> > track back straight by itself, it has to be pulled back. He was
> > grumbling something about ditches and front lawns and lane changes
> > faster than you can blink.....
> > I would run fluid in the power box if you do decide to use it, even if
> > the power isn't there. I would just hook the output to the input with a
> > hose clamp.
> >
> > I don't know what column you are playing with. The Saganaw unit that
> > the 80's GM have is exactly the same as the one in my 86 CJ7.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Drink wrote:
> > >
> > > Mike,
> > > I see that you're up this morning. Feel free to chime in with your
> > > thoughts since the question's for anybody with insight.
> > > o_o_o_o
> > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > "Drink" <drink@gnt.net> wrote in message
> > > news:c63ib0$6dp$1@news.utelfla.com...
> > > > Bill,
> > > > My manual steering box is shot and I have to replace it urgently.
> I'm
> > > > converting to a small block Chevy and NV4500 really soon and will
> convert
> > > to
> > > > power steering but don't have the pump/brackets/hoses yet. The
> Caprice's
> > > > steering box appears the same, only a bit longer since it's power
> > > steering.
> > > > I'll get a correct box but this is all I have right now.
> > > > Can I put in the Caprice's power steering box for now and run it
> like a
> > > > manual box without hurting the box or struggling without the pump's
> > > assist?
> > > > Any ideas on how to bypass the pump & reservoir? (I have a 2" body
> lift
> > > if
> > > > that makes a difference.)
> > > > I know steering will by fast and touchy but the manual box is just
> > > unsafe.
> > > > It's adjusted to the point that the nut barely has a thread to hang on
> to
> > > > and still has about 1/2 a full turn on the steering wheel of play.
> Deep
> > > > wheel ruts on the road make me fishtail as I steer back and forth to
> keep
> > > it
> > > > under control so I stay under 45mph. When I pulled out of a parking
> lot
> > > the
> > > > other day, something felt like it wanted to bind in the gear. I'm
> > > literally
> > > > on the verge of a "bind".
> > > > I really appreciate any advice I can get 'cause it's my daily driver
> 4
> > > > miles to work.
> > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > > > news:40819860.D2EF8586@***.net...
> > > > > Hi Jim,
> > > > > There's a zillion old Jeeps running around with that setup. But
> I'd
> > > > > really try to keep it with the stock sized box, shafts and column,
> it'll
> > > > > probably save you time improvising, and a whole lot easier for the
> next
> > > > > owner. There's also a big difference between passenger and Jeep
> steering
> > > > > ratios, three turns lock to lock is about twice as fast a Jeep.
> > > > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > > > >
> > > > > Drink wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I have an old tilt steering column (column shift), shaft and
> power
> > > > > > steering gear box from a Chevy caprice (model unknown but it
> looked
> > > late
> > > > > > 80's to very early 90's). I want to convert to power steering and
> the
> > > > tilt
> > > > > > would nice. I bought a Jeep power steering shaft.
> > > > > > Overall, the column is longer than my Jeep and the shaft is much
> > > > shorter
> > > > > > than my stock. Does anybody know if I can use the Chevy tilt
> column
> > > and
> > > > > > gear box in the Jeep if I have a new power steering shaft?
> > > > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > > > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > > > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:407D7D8D.9F1F0A82@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > > > GM uses the same Saganaw steering column so you have a large
> choice
> > > > for
> > > > > > > colors, tilt, etc. at the wreckers..
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Daudi wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Ah. Yes. My wrangler is a 1987. The cherokee being parted out
> is
> > > > early
> > > > > > > > 90's I believe. I actually haven't asked because the idea just
> > > > recently
> > > > > > > > occured to me.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Wrangler's use GM steering columns?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Mike Romain wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > You need to give us some years and makes.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Apparently they changed the column from the Saganaw unit
> every
> > > GM
> > > > van,
> > > > > > > > > Camaro, Chevette and pickup uses in the mid 90's to
> something
> > > > else.
> > > > > > One
> > > > > > > > > person that doesn't usually have accurate info says it was
> in
> > > 94,
> > > > but
> > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > would suspect the change was with the TJ, not in the middle
> of
> > > the
> > > > > > > > > production run of the YJ's.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The GM units are a fast easy swap. A couple bolts under the
> > > dash,
> > > > a
> > > > > > > > > couple at the firewall and one spline bolt outside the
> firewall.
> > > > You
> > > > > > > > > pull and out it comes.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in
> '00
> > > > > > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Daudi wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >>The adjustable steering column in my wrangler is very loose;
> > > > sloppy
> > > > > > down
> > > > > > > > >>in the pivot, the joint. I am worried that it may come apart
> > > some
> > > > day
> > > > > > > > >>when driving.
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >>I've had the steering wheel come off a car when driving
> (long,
> > > > long
> > > > > > ago
> > > > > > > > >>when we bought cars for $50) but that was easy to put back
> on. A
> > > > > > > > >>separated U-joint down inside the steering column seems like
> it
> > > > would
> > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > >>more difficult to arrange.
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >>I can find a steering column from a parting out cherokee.
> Are
> > > they
> > > > > > > > >>interchangable?
> > > >
> > > >
Drink wrote:
>
> Good idea, Mike. Didn't even consider a simple hose clamp since there's
> no pressure on the fluid. It's too simple. The original box is so shot
> that a lightning fast lane change is where I'm at already. The only
> difference is that there's so much play that it does it on it's own:( This
> is just a temporary fix in the interim 'til I can get the other drivetrain
> in and get the right pump, reservoir, etc. Is the steering gonna be really
> hard like when you kill the engine with power steering or is that just the
> drag of a non-turning pump?
> The Saginaw box appears identical to mine but I think it's just a tad bit
> extended to accommodate the hoses. I have both steering columns from the
> Caprice and the Jeep and bought a power steering shaft to boot. If I can,
> I'll use the tilt wheel column from the Caprice and the power steering shaft
> for the Jeep to connect to the gear box. Once the drivetrain's swapped and
> I know what brackets and pump I need, I'll finish by changing the steering
> gear box. Maybe even a new AGR box.
> How's this all sound? Am I tracking right? Am I missing something?
>
> --
>
> o_o_o_o
> Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:40855F2F.F0DFFE7E@sympatico.ca...
> > What Bill is saying makes sense about mixing 'car' boxes and Jeep boxes.
> >
> > Someone else here has the same issue, the 'car' box is way too fast.
> >
> > I really don't know what you should expect mixing them up. The other
> > poster sure doesn't like it. I now know what he was complaining about.
> > I was thinking he has a camber issue because his steering won't track
> > back straight after a turn. Or too short of a pinion arm, but he
> > checked and it is the same.
> >
> > Now it makes more sense, the gear ratio is too tight to allow it to
> > track back straight by itself, it has to be pulled back. He was
> > grumbling something about ditches and front lawns and lane changes
> > faster than you can blink.....
> > I would run fluid in the power box if you do decide to use it, even if
> > the power isn't there. I would just hook the output to the input with a
> > hose clamp.
> >
> > I don't know what column you are playing with. The Saganaw unit that
> > the 80's GM have is exactly the same as the one in my 86 CJ7.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Drink wrote:
> > >
> > > Mike,
> > > I see that you're up this morning. Feel free to chime in with your
> > > thoughts since the question's for anybody with insight.
> > > o_o_o_o
> > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > "Drink" <drink@gnt.net> wrote in message
> > > news:c63ib0$6dp$1@news.utelfla.com...
> > > > Bill,
> > > > My manual steering box is shot and I have to replace it urgently.
> I'm
> > > > converting to a small block Chevy and NV4500 really soon and will
> convert
> > > to
> > > > power steering but don't have the pump/brackets/hoses yet. The
> Caprice's
> > > > steering box appears the same, only a bit longer since it's power
> > > steering.
> > > > I'll get a correct box but this is all I have right now.
> > > > Can I put in the Caprice's power steering box for now and run it
> like a
> > > > manual box without hurting the box or struggling without the pump's
> > > assist?
> > > > Any ideas on how to bypass the pump & reservoir? (I have a 2" body
> lift
> > > if
> > > > that makes a difference.)
> > > > I know steering will by fast and touchy but the manual box is just
> > > unsafe.
> > > > It's adjusted to the point that the nut barely has a thread to hang on
> to
> > > > and still has about 1/2 a full turn on the steering wheel of play.
> Deep
> > > > wheel ruts on the road make me fishtail as I steer back and forth to
> keep
> > > it
> > > > under control so I stay under 45mph. When I pulled out of a parking
> lot
> > > the
> > > > other day, something felt like it wanted to bind in the gear. I'm
> > > literally
> > > > on the verge of a "bind".
> > > > I really appreciate any advice I can get 'cause it's my daily driver
> 4
> > > > miles to work.
> > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > > > news:40819860.D2EF8586@***.net...
> > > > > Hi Jim,
> > > > > There's a zillion old Jeeps running around with that setup. But
> I'd
> > > > > really try to keep it with the stock sized box, shafts and column,
> it'll
> > > > > probably save you time improvising, and a whole lot easier for the
> next
> > > > > owner. There's also a big difference between passenger and Jeep
> steering
> > > > > ratios, three turns lock to lock is about twice as fast a Jeep.
> > > > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > > > >
> > > > > Drink wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I have an old tilt steering column (column shift), shaft and
> power
> > > > > > steering gear box from a Chevy caprice (model unknown but it
> looked
> > > late
> > > > > > 80's to very early 90's). I want to convert to power steering and
> the
> > > > tilt
> > > > > > would nice. I bought a Jeep power steering shaft.
> > > > > > Overall, the column is longer than my Jeep and the shaft is much
> > > > shorter
> > > > > > than my stock. Does anybody know if I can use the Chevy tilt
> column
> > > and
> > > > > > gear box in the Jeep if I have a new power steering shaft?
> > > > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > > > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > > > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:407D7D8D.9F1F0A82@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > > > GM uses the same Saganaw steering column so you have a large
> choice
> > > > for
> > > > > > > colors, tilt, etc. at the wreckers..
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Daudi wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Ah. Yes. My wrangler is a 1987. The cherokee being parted out
> is
> > > > early
> > > > > > > > 90's I believe. I actually haven't asked because the idea just
> > > > recently
> > > > > > > > occured to me.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Wrangler's use GM steering columns?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Mike Romain wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > You need to give us some years and makes.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Apparently they changed the column from the Saganaw unit
> every
> > > GM
> > > > van,
> > > > > > > > > Camaro, Chevette and pickup uses in the mid 90's to
> something
> > > > else.
> > > > > > One
> > > > > > > > > person that doesn't usually have accurate info says it was
> in
> > > 94,
> > > > but
> > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > would suspect the change was with the TJ, not in the middle
> of
> > > the
> > > > > > > > > production run of the YJ's.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The GM units are a fast easy swap. A couple bolts under the
> > > dash,
> > > > a
> > > > > > > > > couple at the firewall and one spline bolt outside the
> firewall.
> > > > You
> > > > > > > > > pull and out it comes.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in
> '00
> > > > > > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Daudi wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >>The adjustable steering column in my wrangler is very loose;
> > > > sloppy
> > > > > > down
> > > > > > > > >>in the pivot, the joint. I am worried that it may come apart
> > > some
> > > > day
> > > > > > > > >>when driving.
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >>I've had the steering wheel come off a car when driving
> (long,
> > > > long
> > > > > > ago
> > > > > > > > >>when we bought cars for $50) but that was easy to put back
> on. A
> > > > > > > > >>separated U-joint down inside the steering column seems like
> it
> > > > would
> > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > >>more difficult to arrange.
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >>I can find a steering column from a parting out cherokee.
> Are
> > > they
> > > > > > > > >>interchangable?
> > > >
> > > >
Guest
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Re: steering columns- cherokee to wrangler?
Sounds about right. It will be 'armstrong' steering for sure, way
harder than standard steering.
Mike
Drink wrote:
>
> Good idea, Mike. Didn't even consider a simple hose clamp since there's
> no pressure on the fluid. It's too simple. The original box is so shot
> that a lightning fast lane change is where I'm at already. The only
> difference is that there's so much play that it does it on it's own:( This
> is just a temporary fix in the interim 'til I can get the other drivetrain
> in and get the right pump, reservoir, etc. Is the steering gonna be really
> hard like when you kill the engine with power steering or is that just the
> drag of a non-turning pump?
> The Saginaw box appears identical to mine but I think it's just a tad bit
> extended to accommodate the hoses. I have both steering columns from the
> Caprice and the Jeep and bought a power steering shaft to boot. If I can,
> I'll use the tilt wheel column from the Caprice and the power steering shaft
> for the Jeep to connect to the gear box. Once the drivetrain's swapped and
> I know what brackets and pump I need, I'll finish by changing the steering
> gear box. Maybe even a new AGR box.
> How's this all sound? Am I tracking right? Am I missing something?
>
> --
>
> o_o_o_o
> Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:40855F2F.F0DFFE7E@sympatico.ca...
> > What Bill is saying makes sense about mixing 'car' boxes and Jeep boxes.
> >
> > Someone else here has the same issue, the 'car' box is way too fast.
> >
> > I really don't know what you should expect mixing them up. The other
> > poster sure doesn't like it. I now know what he was complaining about.
> > I was thinking he has a camber issue because his steering won't track
> > back straight after a turn. Or too short of a pinion arm, but he
> > checked and it is the same.
> >
> > Now it makes more sense, the gear ratio is too tight to allow it to
> > track back straight by itself, it has to be pulled back. He was
> > grumbling something about ditches and front lawns and lane changes
> > faster than you can blink.....
> > I would run fluid in the power box if you do decide to use it, even if
> > the power isn't there. I would just hook the output to the input with a
> > hose clamp.
> >
> > I don't know what column you are playing with. The Saganaw unit that
> > the 80's GM have is exactly the same as the one in my 86 CJ7.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Drink wrote:
> > >
> > > Mike,
> > > I see that you're up this morning. Feel free to chime in with your
> > > thoughts since the question's for anybody with insight.
> > > o_o_o_o
> > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > "Drink" <drink@gnt.net> wrote in message
> > > news:c63ib0$6dp$1@news.utelfla.com...
> > > > Bill,
> > > > My manual steering box is shot and I have to replace it urgently.
> I'm
> > > > converting to a small block Chevy and NV4500 really soon and will
> convert
> > > to
> > > > power steering but don't have the pump/brackets/hoses yet. The
> Caprice's
> > > > steering box appears the same, only a bit longer since it's power
> > > steering.
> > > > I'll get a correct box but this is all I have right now.
> > > > Can I put in the Caprice's power steering box for now and run it
> like a
> > > > manual box without hurting the box or struggling without the pump's
> > > assist?
> > > > Any ideas on how to bypass the pump & reservoir? (I have a 2" body
> lift
> > > if
> > > > that makes a difference.)
> > > > I know steering will by fast and touchy but the manual box is just
> > > unsafe.
> > > > It's adjusted to the point that the nut barely has a thread to hang on
> to
> > > > and still has about 1/2 a full turn on the steering wheel of play.
> Deep
> > > > wheel ruts on the road make me fishtail as I steer back and forth to
> keep
> > > it
> > > > under control so I stay under 45mph. When I pulled out of a parking
> lot
> > > the
> > > > other day, something felt like it wanted to bind in the gear. I'm
> > > literally
> > > > on the verge of a "bind".
> > > > I really appreciate any advice I can get 'cause it's my daily driver
> 4
> > > > miles to work.
> > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > > > news:40819860.D2EF8586@***.net...
> > > > > Hi Jim,
> > > > > There's a zillion old Jeeps running around with that setup. But
> I'd
> > > > > really try to keep it with the stock sized box, shafts and column,
> it'll
> > > > > probably save you time improvising, and a whole lot easier for the
> next
> > > > > owner. There's also a big difference between passenger and Jeep
> steering
> > > > > ratios, three turns lock to lock is about twice as fast a Jeep.
> > > > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > > > >
> > > > > Drink wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I have an old tilt steering column (column shift), shaft and
> power
> > > > > > steering gear box from a Chevy caprice (model unknown but it
> looked
> > > late
> > > > > > 80's to very early 90's). I want to convert to power steering and
> the
> > > > tilt
> > > > > > would nice. I bought a Jeep power steering shaft.
> > > > > > Overall, the column is longer than my Jeep and the shaft is much
> > > > shorter
> > > > > > than my stock. Does anybody know if I can use the Chevy tilt
> column
> > > and
> > > > > > gear box in the Jeep if I have a new power steering shaft?
> > > > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > > > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > > > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:407D7D8D.9F1F0A82@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > > > GM uses the same Saganaw steering column so you have a large
> choice
> > > > for
> > > > > > > colors, tilt, etc. at the wreckers..
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Daudi wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Ah. Yes. My wrangler is a 1987. The cherokee being parted out
> is
> > > > early
> > > > > > > > 90's I believe. I actually haven't asked because the idea just
> > > > recently
> > > > > > > > occured to me.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Wrangler's use GM steering columns?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Mike Romain wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > You need to give us some years and makes.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Apparently they changed the column from the Saganaw unit
> every
> > > GM
> > > > van,
> > > > > > > > > Camaro, Chevette and pickup uses in the mid 90's to
> something
> > > > else.
> > > > > > One
> > > > > > > > > person that doesn't usually have accurate info says it was
> in
> > > 94,
> > > > but
> > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > would suspect the change was with the TJ, not in the middle
> of
> > > the
> > > > > > > > > production run of the YJ's.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The GM units are a fast easy swap. A couple bolts under the
> > > dash,
> > > > a
> > > > > > > > > couple at the firewall and one spline bolt outside the
> firewall.
> > > > You
> > > > > > > > > pull and out it comes.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in
> '00
> > > > > > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Daudi wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >>The adjustable steering column in my wrangler is very loose;
> > > > sloppy
> > > > > > down
> > > > > > > > >>in the pivot, the joint. I am worried that it may come apart
> > > some
> > > > day
> > > > > > > > >>when driving.
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >>I've had the steering wheel come off a car when driving
> (long,
> > > > long
> > > > > > ago
> > > > > > > > >>when we bought cars for $50) but that was easy to put back
> on. A
> > > > > > > > >>separated U-joint down inside the steering column seems like
> it
> > > > would
> > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > >>more difficult to arrange.
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >>I can find a steering column from a parting out cherokee.
> Are
> > > they
> > > > > > > > >>interchangable?
> > > >
> > > >
Drink wrote:
>
> Good idea, Mike. Didn't even consider a simple hose clamp since there's
> no pressure on the fluid. It's too simple. The original box is so shot
> that a lightning fast lane change is where I'm at already. The only
> difference is that there's so much play that it does it on it's own:( This
> is just a temporary fix in the interim 'til I can get the other drivetrain
> in and get the right pump, reservoir, etc. Is the steering gonna be really
> hard like when you kill the engine with power steering or is that just the
> drag of a non-turning pump?
> The Saginaw box appears identical to mine but I think it's just a tad bit
> extended to accommodate the hoses. I have both steering columns from the
> Caprice and the Jeep and bought a power steering shaft to boot. If I can,
> I'll use the tilt wheel column from the Caprice and the power steering shaft
> for the Jeep to connect to the gear box. Once the drivetrain's swapped and
> I know what brackets and pump I need, I'll finish by changing the steering
> gear box. Maybe even a new AGR box.
> How's this all sound? Am I tracking right? Am I missing something?
>
> --
>
> o_o_o_o
> Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:40855F2F.F0DFFE7E@sympatico.ca...
> > What Bill is saying makes sense about mixing 'car' boxes and Jeep boxes.
> >
> > Someone else here has the same issue, the 'car' box is way too fast.
> >
> > I really don't know what you should expect mixing them up. The other
> > poster sure doesn't like it. I now know what he was complaining about.
> > I was thinking he has a camber issue because his steering won't track
> > back straight after a turn. Or too short of a pinion arm, but he
> > checked and it is the same.
> >
> > Now it makes more sense, the gear ratio is too tight to allow it to
> > track back straight by itself, it has to be pulled back. He was
> > grumbling something about ditches and front lawns and lane changes
> > faster than you can blink.....
> > I would run fluid in the power box if you do decide to use it, even if
> > the power isn't there. I would just hook the output to the input with a
> > hose clamp.
> >
> > I don't know what column you are playing with. The Saganaw unit that
> > the 80's GM have is exactly the same as the one in my 86 CJ7.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Drink wrote:
> > >
> > > Mike,
> > > I see that you're up this morning. Feel free to chime in with your
> > > thoughts since the question's for anybody with insight.
> > > o_o_o_o
> > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > "Drink" <drink@gnt.net> wrote in message
> > > news:c63ib0$6dp$1@news.utelfla.com...
> > > > Bill,
> > > > My manual steering box is shot and I have to replace it urgently.
> I'm
> > > > converting to a small block Chevy and NV4500 really soon and will
> convert
> > > to
> > > > power steering but don't have the pump/brackets/hoses yet. The
> Caprice's
> > > > steering box appears the same, only a bit longer since it's power
> > > steering.
> > > > I'll get a correct box but this is all I have right now.
> > > > Can I put in the Caprice's power steering box for now and run it
> like a
> > > > manual box without hurting the box or struggling without the pump's
> > > assist?
> > > > Any ideas on how to bypass the pump & reservoir? (I have a 2" body
> lift
> > > if
> > > > that makes a difference.)
> > > > I know steering will by fast and touchy but the manual box is just
> > > unsafe.
> > > > It's adjusted to the point that the nut barely has a thread to hang on
> to
> > > > and still has about 1/2 a full turn on the steering wheel of play.
> Deep
> > > > wheel ruts on the road make me fishtail as I steer back and forth to
> keep
> > > it
> > > > under control so I stay under 45mph. When I pulled out of a parking
> lot
> > > the
> > > > other day, something felt like it wanted to bind in the gear. I'm
> > > literally
> > > > on the verge of a "bind".
> > > > I really appreciate any advice I can get 'cause it's my daily driver
> 4
> > > > miles to work.
> > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > > > news:40819860.D2EF8586@***.net...
> > > > > Hi Jim,
> > > > > There's a zillion old Jeeps running around with that setup. But
> I'd
> > > > > really try to keep it with the stock sized box, shafts and column,
> it'll
> > > > > probably save you time improvising, and a whole lot easier for the
> next
> > > > > owner. There's also a big difference between passenger and Jeep
> steering
> > > > > ratios, three turns lock to lock is about twice as fast a Jeep.
> > > > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > > > >
> > > > > Drink wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I have an old tilt steering column (column shift), shaft and
> power
> > > > > > steering gear box from a Chevy caprice (model unknown but it
> looked
> > > late
> > > > > > 80's to very early 90's). I want to convert to power steering and
> the
> > > > tilt
> > > > > > would nice. I bought a Jeep power steering shaft.
> > > > > > Overall, the column is longer than my Jeep and the shaft is much
> > > > shorter
> > > > > > than my stock. Does anybody know if I can use the Chevy tilt
> column
> > > and
> > > > > > gear box in the Jeep if I have a new power steering shaft?
> > > > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > > > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > > > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:407D7D8D.9F1F0A82@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > > > GM uses the same Saganaw steering column so you have a large
> choice
> > > > for
> > > > > > > colors, tilt, etc. at the wreckers..
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Daudi wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Ah. Yes. My wrangler is a 1987. The cherokee being parted out
> is
> > > > early
> > > > > > > > 90's I believe. I actually haven't asked because the idea just
> > > > recently
> > > > > > > > occured to me.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Wrangler's use GM steering columns?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Mike Romain wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > You need to give us some years and makes.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Apparently they changed the column from the Saganaw unit
> every
> > > GM
> > > > van,
> > > > > > > > > Camaro, Chevette and pickup uses in the mid 90's to
> something
> > > > else.
> > > > > > One
> > > > > > > > > person that doesn't usually have accurate info says it was
> in
> > > 94,
> > > > but
> > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > would suspect the change was with the TJ, not in the middle
> of
> > > the
> > > > > > > > > production run of the YJ's.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The GM units are a fast easy swap. A couple bolts under the
> > > dash,
> > > > a
> > > > > > > > > couple at the firewall and one spline bolt outside the
> firewall.
> > > > You
> > > > > > > > > pull and out it comes.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in
> '00
> > > > > > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Daudi wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >>The adjustable steering column in my wrangler is very loose;
> > > > sloppy
> > > > > > down
> > > > > > > > >>in the pivot, the joint. I am worried that it may come apart
> > > some
> > > > day
> > > > > > > > >>when driving.
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >>I've had the steering wheel come off a car when driving
> (long,
> > > > long
> > > > > > ago
> > > > > > > > >>when we bought cars for $50) but that was easy to put back
> on. A
> > > > > > > > >>separated U-joint down inside the steering column seems like
> it
> > > > would
> > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > >>more difficult to arrange.
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >>I can find a steering column from a parting out cherokee.
> Are
> > > they
> > > > > > > > >>interchangable?
> > > >
> > > >
harder than standard steering.
Mike
Drink wrote:
>
> Good idea, Mike. Didn't even consider a simple hose clamp since there's
> no pressure on the fluid. It's too simple. The original box is so shot
> that a lightning fast lane change is where I'm at already. The only
> difference is that there's so much play that it does it on it's own:( This
> is just a temporary fix in the interim 'til I can get the other drivetrain
> in and get the right pump, reservoir, etc. Is the steering gonna be really
> hard like when you kill the engine with power steering or is that just the
> drag of a non-turning pump?
> The Saginaw box appears identical to mine but I think it's just a tad bit
> extended to accommodate the hoses. I have both steering columns from the
> Caprice and the Jeep and bought a power steering shaft to boot. If I can,
> I'll use the tilt wheel column from the Caprice and the power steering shaft
> for the Jeep to connect to the gear box. Once the drivetrain's swapped and
> I know what brackets and pump I need, I'll finish by changing the steering
> gear box. Maybe even a new AGR box.
> How's this all sound? Am I tracking right? Am I missing something?
>
> --
>
> o_o_o_o
> Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:40855F2F.F0DFFE7E@sympatico.ca...
> > What Bill is saying makes sense about mixing 'car' boxes and Jeep boxes.
> >
> > Someone else here has the same issue, the 'car' box is way too fast.
> >
> > I really don't know what you should expect mixing them up. The other
> > poster sure doesn't like it. I now know what he was complaining about.
> > I was thinking he has a camber issue because his steering won't track
> > back straight after a turn. Or too short of a pinion arm, but he
> > checked and it is the same.
> >
> > Now it makes more sense, the gear ratio is too tight to allow it to
> > track back straight by itself, it has to be pulled back. He was
> > grumbling something about ditches and front lawns and lane changes
> > faster than you can blink.....
> > I would run fluid in the power box if you do decide to use it, even if
> > the power isn't there. I would just hook the output to the input with a
> > hose clamp.
> >
> > I don't know what column you are playing with. The Saganaw unit that
> > the 80's GM have is exactly the same as the one in my 86 CJ7.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Drink wrote:
> > >
> > > Mike,
> > > I see that you're up this morning. Feel free to chime in with your
> > > thoughts since the question's for anybody with insight.
> > > o_o_o_o
> > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > "Drink" <drink@gnt.net> wrote in message
> > > news:c63ib0$6dp$1@news.utelfla.com...
> > > > Bill,
> > > > My manual steering box is shot and I have to replace it urgently.
> I'm
> > > > converting to a small block Chevy and NV4500 really soon and will
> convert
> > > to
> > > > power steering but don't have the pump/brackets/hoses yet. The
> Caprice's
> > > > steering box appears the same, only a bit longer since it's power
> > > steering.
> > > > I'll get a correct box but this is all I have right now.
> > > > Can I put in the Caprice's power steering box for now and run it
> like a
> > > > manual box without hurting the box or struggling without the pump's
> > > assist?
> > > > Any ideas on how to bypass the pump & reservoir? (I have a 2" body
> lift
> > > if
> > > > that makes a difference.)
> > > > I know steering will by fast and touchy but the manual box is just
> > > unsafe.
> > > > It's adjusted to the point that the nut barely has a thread to hang on
> to
> > > > and still has about 1/2 a full turn on the steering wheel of play.
> Deep
> > > > wheel ruts on the road make me fishtail as I steer back and forth to
> keep
> > > it
> > > > under control so I stay under 45mph. When I pulled out of a parking
> lot
> > > the
> > > > other day, something felt like it wanted to bind in the gear. I'm
> > > literally
> > > > on the verge of a "bind".
> > > > I really appreciate any advice I can get 'cause it's my daily driver
> 4
> > > > miles to work.
> > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > > > news:40819860.D2EF8586@***.net...
> > > > > Hi Jim,
> > > > > There's a zillion old Jeeps running around with that setup. But
> I'd
> > > > > really try to keep it with the stock sized box, shafts and column,
> it'll
> > > > > probably save you time improvising, and a whole lot easier for the
> next
> > > > > owner. There's also a big difference between passenger and Jeep
> steering
> > > > > ratios, three turns lock to lock is about twice as fast a Jeep.
> > > > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > > > >
> > > > > Drink wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I have an old tilt steering column (column shift), shaft and
> power
> > > > > > steering gear box from a Chevy caprice (model unknown but it
> looked
> > > late
> > > > > > 80's to very early 90's). I want to convert to power steering and
> the
> > > > tilt
> > > > > > would nice. I bought a Jeep power steering shaft.
> > > > > > Overall, the column is longer than my Jeep and the shaft is much
> > > > shorter
> > > > > > than my stock. Does anybody know if I can use the Chevy tilt
> column
> > > and
> > > > > > gear box in the Jeep if I have a new power steering shaft?
> > > > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > > > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > > > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:407D7D8D.9F1F0A82@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > > > GM uses the same Saganaw steering column so you have a large
> choice
> > > > for
> > > > > > > colors, tilt, etc. at the wreckers..
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Daudi wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Ah. Yes. My wrangler is a 1987. The cherokee being parted out
> is
> > > > early
> > > > > > > > 90's I believe. I actually haven't asked because the idea just
> > > > recently
> > > > > > > > occured to me.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Wrangler's use GM steering columns?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Mike Romain wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > You need to give us some years and makes.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Apparently they changed the column from the Saganaw unit
> every
> > > GM
> > > > van,
> > > > > > > > > Camaro, Chevette and pickup uses in the mid 90's to
> something
> > > > else.
> > > > > > One
> > > > > > > > > person that doesn't usually have accurate info says it was
> in
> > > 94,
> > > > but
> > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > would suspect the change was with the TJ, not in the middle
> of
> > > the
> > > > > > > > > production run of the YJ's.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The GM units are a fast easy swap. A couple bolts under the
> > > dash,
> > > > a
> > > > > > > > > couple at the firewall and one spline bolt outside the
> firewall.
> > > > You
> > > > > > > > > pull and out it comes.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in
> '00
> > > > > > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Daudi wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >>The adjustable steering column in my wrangler is very loose;
> > > > sloppy
> > > > > > down
> > > > > > > > >>in the pivot, the joint. I am worried that it may come apart
> > > some
> > > > day
> > > > > > > > >>when driving.
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >>I've had the steering wheel come off a car when driving
> (long,
> > > > long
> > > > > > ago
> > > > > > > > >>when we bought cars for $50) but that was easy to put back
> on. A
> > > > > > > > >>separated U-joint down inside the steering column seems like
> it
> > > > would
> > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > >>more difficult to arrange.
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >>I can find a steering column from a parting out cherokee.
> Are
> > > they
> > > > > > > > >>interchangable?
> > > >
> > > >
Drink wrote:
>
> Good idea, Mike. Didn't even consider a simple hose clamp since there's
> no pressure on the fluid. It's too simple. The original box is so shot
> that a lightning fast lane change is where I'm at already. The only
> difference is that there's so much play that it does it on it's own:( This
> is just a temporary fix in the interim 'til I can get the other drivetrain
> in and get the right pump, reservoir, etc. Is the steering gonna be really
> hard like when you kill the engine with power steering or is that just the
> drag of a non-turning pump?
> The Saginaw box appears identical to mine but I think it's just a tad bit
> extended to accommodate the hoses. I have both steering columns from the
> Caprice and the Jeep and bought a power steering shaft to boot. If I can,
> I'll use the tilt wheel column from the Caprice and the power steering shaft
> for the Jeep to connect to the gear box. Once the drivetrain's swapped and
> I know what brackets and pump I need, I'll finish by changing the steering
> gear box. Maybe even a new AGR box.
> How's this all sound? Am I tracking right? Am I missing something?
>
> --
>
> o_o_o_o
> Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:40855F2F.F0DFFE7E@sympatico.ca...
> > What Bill is saying makes sense about mixing 'car' boxes and Jeep boxes.
> >
> > Someone else here has the same issue, the 'car' box is way too fast.
> >
> > I really don't know what you should expect mixing them up. The other
> > poster sure doesn't like it. I now know what he was complaining about.
> > I was thinking he has a camber issue because his steering won't track
> > back straight after a turn. Or too short of a pinion arm, but he
> > checked and it is the same.
> >
> > Now it makes more sense, the gear ratio is too tight to allow it to
> > track back straight by itself, it has to be pulled back. He was
> > grumbling something about ditches and front lawns and lane changes
> > faster than you can blink.....
> > I would run fluid in the power box if you do decide to use it, even if
> > the power isn't there. I would just hook the output to the input with a
> > hose clamp.
> >
> > I don't know what column you are playing with. The Saganaw unit that
> > the 80's GM have is exactly the same as the one in my 86 CJ7.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Drink wrote:
> > >
> > > Mike,
> > > I see that you're up this morning. Feel free to chime in with your
> > > thoughts since the question's for anybody with insight.
> > > o_o_o_o
> > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > "Drink" <drink@gnt.net> wrote in message
> > > news:c63ib0$6dp$1@news.utelfla.com...
> > > > Bill,
> > > > My manual steering box is shot and I have to replace it urgently.
> I'm
> > > > converting to a small block Chevy and NV4500 really soon and will
> convert
> > > to
> > > > power steering but don't have the pump/brackets/hoses yet. The
> Caprice's
> > > > steering box appears the same, only a bit longer since it's power
> > > steering.
> > > > I'll get a correct box but this is all I have right now.
> > > > Can I put in the Caprice's power steering box for now and run it
> like a
> > > > manual box without hurting the box or struggling without the pump's
> > > assist?
> > > > Any ideas on how to bypass the pump & reservoir? (I have a 2" body
> lift
> > > if
> > > > that makes a difference.)
> > > > I know steering will by fast and touchy but the manual box is just
> > > unsafe.
> > > > It's adjusted to the point that the nut barely has a thread to hang on
> to
> > > > and still has about 1/2 a full turn on the steering wheel of play.
> Deep
> > > > wheel ruts on the road make me fishtail as I steer back and forth to
> keep
> > > it
> > > > under control so I stay under 45mph. When I pulled out of a parking
> lot
> > > the
> > > > other day, something felt like it wanted to bind in the gear. I'm
> > > literally
> > > > on the verge of a "bind".
> > > > I really appreciate any advice I can get 'cause it's my daily driver
> 4
> > > > miles to work.
> > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > > > news:40819860.D2EF8586@***.net...
> > > > > Hi Jim,
> > > > > There's a zillion old Jeeps running around with that setup. But
> I'd
> > > > > really try to keep it with the stock sized box, shafts and column,
> it'll
> > > > > probably save you time improvising, and a whole lot easier for the
> next
> > > > > owner. There's also a big difference between passenger and Jeep
> steering
> > > > > ratios, three turns lock to lock is about twice as fast a Jeep.
> > > > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > > > >
> > > > > Drink wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I have an old tilt steering column (column shift), shaft and
> power
> > > > > > steering gear box from a Chevy caprice (model unknown but it
> looked
> > > late
> > > > > > 80's to very early 90's). I want to convert to power steering and
> the
> > > > tilt
> > > > > > would nice. I bought a Jeep power steering shaft.
> > > > > > Overall, the column is longer than my Jeep and the shaft is much
> > > > shorter
> > > > > > than my stock. Does anybody know if I can use the Chevy tilt
> column
> > > and
> > > > > > gear box in the Jeep if I have a new power steering shaft?
> > > > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > > > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > > > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:407D7D8D.9F1F0A82@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > > > GM uses the same Saganaw steering column so you have a large
> choice
> > > > for
> > > > > > > colors, tilt, etc. at the wreckers..
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Daudi wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Ah. Yes. My wrangler is a 1987. The cherokee being parted out
> is
> > > > early
> > > > > > > > 90's I believe. I actually haven't asked because the idea just
> > > > recently
> > > > > > > > occured to me.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Wrangler's use GM steering columns?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Mike Romain wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > You need to give us some years and makes.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Apparently they changed the column from the Saganaw unit
> every
> > > GM
> > > > van,
> > > > > > > > > Camaro, Chevette and pickup uses in the mid 90's to
> something
> > > > else.
> > > > > > One
> > > > > > > > > person that doesn't usually have accurate info says it was
> in
> > > 94,
> > > > but
> > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > would suspect the change was with the TJ, not in the middle
> of
> > > the
> > > > > > > > > production run of the YJ's.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The GM units are a fast easy swap. A couple bolts under the
> > > dash,
> > > > a
> > > > > > > > > couple at the firewall and one spline bolt outside the
> firewall.
> > > > You
> > > > > > > > > pull and out it comes.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in
> '00
> > > > > > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Daudi wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >>The adjustable steering column in my wrangler is very loose;
> > > > sloppy
> > > > > > down
> > > > > > > > >>in the pivot, the joint. I am worried that it may come apart
> > > some
> > > > day
> > > > > > > > >>when driving.
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >>I've had the steering wheel come off a car when driving
> (long,
> > > > long
> > > > > > ago
> > > > > > > > >>when we bought cars for $50) but that was easy to put back
> on. A
> > > > > > > > >>separated U-joint down inside the steering column seems like
> it
> > > > would
> > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > >>more difficult to arrange.
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >>I can find a steering column from a parting out cherokee.
> Are
> > > they
> > > > > > > > >>interchangable?
> > > >
> > > >
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Re: steering columns- cherokee to wrangler?
Sounds about right. It will be 'armstrong' steering for sure, way
harder than standard steering.
Mike
Drink wrote:
>
> Good idea, Mike. Didn't even consider a simple hose clamp since there's
> no pressure on the fluid. It's too simple. The original box is so shot
> that a lightning fast lane change is where I'm at already. The only
> difference is that there's so much play that it does it on it's own:( This
> is just a temporary fix in the interim 'til I can get the other drivetrain
> in and get the right pump, reservoir, etc. Is the steering gonna be really
> hard like when you kill the engine with power steering or is that just the
> drag of a non-turning pump?
> The Saginaw box appears identical to mine but I think it's just a tad bit
> extended to accommodate the hoses. I have both steering columns from the
> Caprice and the Jeep and bought a power steering shaft to boot. If I can,
> I'll use the tilt wheel column from the Caprice and the power steering shaft
> for the Jeep to connect to the gear box. Once the drivetrain's swapped and
> I know what brackets and pump I need, I'll finish by changing the steering
> gear box. Maybe even a new AGR box.
> How's this all sound? Am I tracking right? Am I missing something?
>
> --
>
> o_o_o_o
> Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:40855F2F.F0DFFE7E@sympatico.ca...
> > What Bill is saying makes sense about mixing 'car' boxes and Jeep boxes.
> >
> > Someone else here has the same issue, the 'car' box is way too fast.
> >
> > I really don't know what you should expect mixing them up. The other
> > poster sure doesn't like it. I now know what he was complaining about.
> > I was thinking he has a camber issue because his steering won't track
> > back straight after a turn. Or too short of a pinion arm, but he
> > checked and it is the same.
> >
> > Now it makes more sense, the gear ratio is too tight to allow it to
> > track back straight by itself, it has to be pulled back. He was
> > grumbling something about ditches and front lawns and lane changes
> > faster than you can blink.....
> > I would run fluid in the power box if you do decide to use it, even if
> > the power isn't there. I would just hook the output to the input with a
> > hose clamp.
> >
> > I don't know what column you are playing with. The Saganaw unit that
> > the 80's GM have is exactly the same as the one in my 86 CJ7.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Drink wrote:
> > >
> > > Mike,
> > > I see that you're up this morning. Feel free to chime in with your
> > > thoughts since the question's for anybody with insight.
> > > o_o_o_o
> > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > "Drink" <drink@gnt.net> wrote in message
> > > news:c63ib0$6dp$1@news.utelfla.com...
> > > > Bill,
> > > > My manual steering box is shot and I have to replace it urgently.
> I'm
> > > > converting to a small block Chevy and NV4500 really soon and will
> convert
> > > to
> > > > power steering but don't have the pump/brackets/hoses yet. The
> Caprice's
> > > > steering box appears the same, only a bit longer since it's power
> > > steering.
> > > > I'll get a correct box but this is all I have right now.
> > > > Can I put in the Caprice's power steering box for now and run it
> like a
> > > > manual box without hurting the box or struggling without the pump's
> > > assist?
> > > > Any ideas on how to bypass the pump & reservoir? (I have a 2" body
> lift
> > > if
> > > > that makes a difference.)
> > > > I know steering will by fast and touchy but the manual box is just
> > > unsafe.
> > > > It's adjusted to the point that the nut barely has a thread to hang on
> to
> > > > and still has about 1/2 a full turn on the steering wheel of play.
> Deep
> > > > wheel ruts on the road make me fishtail as I steer back and forth to
> keep
> > > it
> > > > under control so I stay under 45mph. When I pulled out of a parking
> lot
> > > the
> > > > other day, something felt like it wanted to bind in the gear. I'm
> > > literally
> > > > on the verge of a "bind".
> > > > I really appreciate any advice I can get 'cause it's my daily driver
> 4
> > > > miles to work.
> > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > > > news:40819860.D2EF8586@***.net...
> > > > > Hi Jim,
> > > > > There's a zillion old Jeeps running around with that setup. But
> I'd
> > > > > really try to keep it with the stock sized box, shafts and column,
> it'll
> > > > > probably save you time improvising, and a whole lot easier for the
> next
> > > > > owner. There's also a big difference between passenger and Jeep
> steering
> > > > > ratios, three turns lock to lock is about twice as fast a Jeep.
> > > > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > > > >
> > > > > Drink wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I have an old tilt steering column (column shift), shaft and
> power
> > > > > > steering gear box from a Chevy caprice (model unknown but it
> looked
> > > late
> > > > > > 80's to very early 90's). I want to convert to power steering and
> the
> > > > tilt
> > > > > > would nice. I bought a Jeep power steering shaft.
> > > > > > Overall, the column is longer than my Jeep and the shaft is much
> > > > shorter
> > > > > > than my stock. Does anybody know if I can use the Chevy tilt
> column
> > > and
> > > > > > gear box in the Jeep if I have a new power steering shaft?
> > > > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > > > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > > > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:407D7D8D.9F1F0A82@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > > > GM uses the same Saganaw steering column so you have a large
> choice
> > > > for
> > > > > > > colors, tilt, etc. at the wreckers..
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Daudi wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Ah. Yes. My wrangler is a 1987. The cherokee being parted out
> is
> > > > early
> > > > > > > > 90's I believe. I actually haven't asked because the idea just
> > > > recently
> > > > > > > > occured to me.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Wrangler's use GM steering columns?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Mike Romain wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > You need to give us some years and makes.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Apparently they changed the column from the Saganaw unit
> every
> > > GM
> > > > van,
> > > > > > > > > Camaro, Chevette and pickup uses in the mid 90's to
> something
> > > > else.
> > > > > > One
> > > > > > > > > person that doesn't usually have accurate info says it was
> in
> > > 94,
> > > > but
> > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > would suspect the change was with the TJ, not in the middle
> of
> > > the
> > > > > > > > > production run of the YJ's.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The GM units are a fast easy swap. A couple bolts under the
> > > dash,
> > > > a
> > > > > > > > > couple at the firewall and one spline bolt outside the
> firewall.
> > > > You
> > > > > > > > > pull and out it comes.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in
> '00
> > > > > > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Daudi wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >>The adjustable steering column in my wrangler is very loose;
> > > > sloppy
> > > > > > down
> > > > > > > > >>in the pivot, the joint. I am worried that it may come apart
> > > some
> > > > day
> > > > > > > > >>when driving.
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >>I've had the steering wheel come off a car when driving
> (long,
> > > > long
> > > > > > ago
> > > > > > > > >>when we bought cars for $50) but that was easy to put back
> on. A
> > > > > > > > >>separated U-joint down inside the steering column seems like
> it
> > > > would
> > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > >>more difficult to arrange.
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >>I can find a steering column from a parting out cherokee.
> Are
> > > they
> > > > > > > > >>interchangable?
> > > >
> > > >
Drink wrote:
>
> Good idea, Mike. Didn't even consider a simple hose clamp since there's
> no pressure on the fluid. It's too simple. The original box is so shot
> that a lightning fast lane change is where I'm at already. The only
> difference is that there's so much play that it does it on it's own:( This
> is just a temporary fix in the interim 'til I can get the other drivetrain
> in and get the right pump, reservoir, etc. Is the steering gonna be really
> hard like when you kill the engine with power steering or is that just the
> drag of a non-turning pump?
> The Saginaw box appears identical to mine but I think it's just a tad bit
> extended to accommodate the hoses. I have both steering columns from the
> Caprice and the Jeep and bought a power steering shaft to boot. If I can,
> I'll use the tilt wheel column from the Caprice and the power steering shaft
> for the Jeep to connect to the gear box. Once the drivetrain's swapped and
> I know what brackets and pump I need, I'll finish by changing the steering
> gear box. Maybe even a new AGR box.
> How's this all sound? Am I tracking right? Am I missing something?
>
> --
>
> o_o_o_o
> Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:40855F2F.F0DFFE7E@sympatico.ca...
> > What Bill is saying makes sense about mixing 'car' boxes and Jeep boxes.
> >
> > Someone else here has the same issue, the 'car' box is way too fast.
> >
> > I really don't know what you should expect mixing them up. The other
> > poster sure doesn't like it. I now know what he was complaining about.
> > I was thinking he has a camber issue because his steering won't track
> > back straight after a turn. Or too short of a pinion arm, but he
> > checked and it is the same.
> >
> > Now it makes more sense, the gear ratio is too tight to allow it to
> > track back straight by itself, it has to be pulled back. He was
> > grumbling something about ditches and front lawns and lane changes
> > faster than you can blink.....
> > I would run fluid in the power box if you do decide to use it, even if
> > the power isn't there. I would just hook the output to the input with a
> > hose clamp.
> >
> > I don't know what column you are playing with. The Saganaw unit that
> > the 80's GM have is exactly the same as the one in my 86 CJ7.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Drink wrote:
> > >
> > > Mike,
> > > I see that you're up this morning. Feel free to chime in with your
> > > thoughts since the question's for anybody with insight.
> > > o_o_o_o
> > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > "Drink" <drink@gnt.net> wrote in message
> > > news:c63ib0$6dp$1@news.utelfla.com...
> > > > Bill,
> > > > My manual steering box is shot and I have to replace it urgently.
> I'm
> > > > converting to a small block Chevy and NV4500 really soon and will
> convert
> > > to
> > > > power steering but don't have the pump/brackets/hoses yet. The
> Caprice's
> > > > steering box appears the same, only a bit longer since it's power
> > > steering.
> > > > I'll get a correct box but this is all I have right now.
> > > > Can I put in the Caprice's power steering box for now and run it
> like a
> > > > manual box without hurting the box or struggling without the pump's
> > > assist?
> > > > Any ideas on how to bypass the pump & reservoir? (I have a 2" body
> lift
> > > if
> > > > that makes a difference.)
> > > > I know steering will by fast and touchy but the manual box is just
> > > unsafe.
> > > > It's adjusted to the point that the nut barely has a thread to hang on
> to
> > > > and still has about 1/2 a full turn on the steering wheel of play.
> Deep
> > > > wheel ruts on the road make me fishtail as I steer back and forth to
> keep
> > > it
> > > > under control so I stay under 45mph. When I pulled out of a parking
> lot
> > > the
> > > > other day, something felt like it wanted to bind in the gear. I'm
> > > literally
> > > > on the verge of a "bind".
> > > > I really appreciate any advice I can get 'cause it's my daily driver
> 4
> > > > miles to work.
> > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > > > news:40819860.D2EF8586@***.net...
> > > > > Hi Jim,
> > > > > There's a zillion old Jeeps running around with that setup. But
> I'd
> > > > > really try to keep it with the stock sized box, shafts and column,
> it'll
> > > > > probably save you time improvising, and a whole lot easier for the
> next
> > > > > owner. There's also a big difference between passenger and Jeep
> steering
> > > > > ratios, three turns lock to lock is about twice as fast a Jeep.
> > > > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > > > >
> > > > > Drink wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I have an old tilt steering column (column shift), shaft and
> power
> > > > > > steering gear box from a Chevy caprice (model unknown but it
> looked
> > > late
> > > > > > 80's to very early 90's). I want to convert to power steering and
> the
> > > > tilt
> > > > > > would nice. I bought a Jeep power steering shaft.
> > > > > > Overall, the column is longer than my Jeep and the shaft is much
> > > > shorter
> > > > > > than my stock. Does anybody know if I can use the Chevy tilt
> column
> > > and
> > > > > > gear box in the Jeep if I have a new power steering shaft?
> > > > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > > > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > > > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:407D7D8D.9F1F0A82@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > > > GM uses the same Saganaw steering column so you have a large
> choice
> > > > for
> > > > > > > colors, tilt, etc. at the wreckers..
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Daudi wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Ah. Yes. My wrangler is a 1987. The cherokee being parted out
> is
> > > > early
> > > > > > > > 90's I believe. I actually haven't asked because the idea just
> > > > recently
> > > > > > > > occured to me.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Wrangler's use GM steering columns?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Mike Romain wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > You need to give us some years and makes.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Apparently they changed the column from the Saganaw unit
> every
> > > GM
> > > > van,
> > > > > > > > > Camaro, Chevette and pickup uses in the mid 90's to
> something
> > > > else.
> > > > > > One
> > > > > > > > > person that doesn't usually have accurate info says it was
> in
> > > 94,
> > > > but
> > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > would suspect the change was with the TJ, not in the middle
> of
> > > the
> > > > > > > > > production run of the YJ's.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The GM units are a fast easy swap. A couple bolts under the
> > > dash,
> > > > a
> > > > > > > > > couple at the firewall and one spline bolt outside the
> firewall.
> > > > You
> > > > > > > > > pull and out it comes.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in
> '00
> > > > > > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Daudi wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >>The adjustable steering column in my wrangler is very loose;
> > > > sloppy
> > > > > > down
> > > > > > > > >>in the pivot, the joint. I am worried that it may come apart
> > > some
> > > > day
> > > > > > > > >>when driving.
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >>I've had the steering wheel come off a car when driving
> (long,
> > > > long
> > > > > > ago
> > > > > > > > >>when we bought cars for $50) but that was easy to put back
> on. A
> > > > > > > > >>separated U-joint down inside the steering column seems like
> it
> > > > would
> > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > >>more difficult to arrange.
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >>I can find a steering column from a parting out cherokee.
> Are
> > > they
> > > > > > > > >>interchangable?
> > > >
> > > >
harder than standard steering.
Mike
Drink wrote:
>
> Good idea, Mike. Didn't even consider a simple hose clamp since there's
> no pressure on the fluid. It's too simple. The original box is so shot
> that a lightning fast lane change is where I'm at already. The only
> difference is that there's so much play that it does it on it's own:( This
> is just a temporary fix in the interim 'til I can get the other drivetrain
> in and get the right pump, reservoir, etc. Is the steering gonna be really
> hard like when you kill the engine with power steering or is that just the
> drag of a non-turning pump?
> The Saginaw box appears identical to mine but I think it's just a tad bit
> extended to accommodate the hoses. I have both steering columns from the
> Caprice and the Jeep and bought a power steering shaft to boot. If I can,
> I'll use the tilt wheel column from the Caprice and the power steering shaft
> for the Jeep to connect to the gear box. Once the drivetrain's swapped and
> I know what brackets and pump I need, I'll finish by changing the steering
> gear box. Maybe even a new AGR box.
> How's this all sound? Am I tracking right? Am I missing something?
>
> --
>
> o_o_o_o
> Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:40855F2F.F0DFFE7E@sympatico.ca...
> > What Bill is saying makes sense about mixing 'car' boxes and Jeep boxes.
> >
> > Someone else here has the same issue, the 'car' box is way too fast.
> >
> > I really don't know what you should expect mixing them up. The other
> > poster sure doesn't like it. I now know what he was complaining about.
> > I was thinking he has a camber issue because his steering won't track
> > back straight after a turn. Or too short of a pinion arm, but he
> > checked and it is the same.
> >
> > Now it makes more sense, the gear ratio is too tight to allow it to
> > track back straight by itself, it has to be pulled back. He was
> > grumbling something about ditches and front lawns and lane changes
> > faster than you can blink.....
> > I would run fluid in the power box if you do decide to use it, even if
> > the power isn't there. I would just hook the output to the input with a
> > hose clamp.
> >
> > I don't know what column you are playing with. The Saganaw unit that
> > the 80's GM have is exactly the same as the one in my 86 CJ7.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Drink wrote:
> > >
> > > Mike,
> > > I see that you're up this morning. Feel free to chime in with your
> > > thoughts since the question's for anybody with insight.
> > > o_o_o_o
> > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > "Drink" <drink@gnt.net> wrote in message
> > > news:c63ib0$6dp$1@news.utelfla.com...
> > > > Bill,
> > > > My manual steering box is shot and I have to replace it urgently.
> I'm
> > > > converting to a small block Chevy and NV4500 really soon and will
> convert
> > > to
> > > > power steering but don't have the pump/brackets/hoses yet. The
> Caprice's
> > > > steering box appears the same, only a bit longer since it's power
> > > steering.
> > > > I'll get a correct box but this is all I have right now.
> > > > Can I put in the Caprice's power steering box for now and run it
> like a
> > > > manual box without hurting the box or struggling without the pump's
> > > assist?
> > > > Any ideas on how to bypass the pump & reservoir? (I have a 2" body
> lift
> > > if
> > > > that makes a difference.)
> > > > I know steering will by fast and touchy but the manual box is just
> > > unsafe.
> > > > It's adjusted to the point that the nut barely has a thread to hang on
> to
> > > > and still has about 1/2 a full turn on the steering wheel of play.
> Deep
> > > > wheel ruts on the road make me fishtail as I steer back and forth to
> keep
> > > it
> > > > under control so I stay under 45mph. When I pulled out of a parking
> lot
> > > the
> > > > other day, something felt like it wanted to bind in the gear. I'm
> > > literally
> > > > on the verge of a "bind".
> > > > I really appreciate any advice I can get 'cause it's my daily driver
> 4
> > > > miles to work.
> > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > > > news:40819860.D2EF8586@***.net...
> > > > > Hi Jim,
> > > > > There's a zillion old Jeeps running around with that setup. But
> I'd
> > > > > really try to keep it with the stock sized box, shafts and column,
> it'll
> > > > > probably save you time improvising, and a whole lot easier for the
> next
> > > > > owner. There's also a big difference between passenger and Jeep
> steering
> > > > > ratios, three turns lock to lock is about twice as fast a Jeep.
> > > > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > > > >
> > > > > Drink wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I have an old tilt steering column (column shift), shaft and
> power
> > > > > > steering gear box from a Chevy caprice (model unknown but it
> looked
> > > late
> > > > > > 80's to very early 90's). I want to convert to power steering and
> the
> > > > tilt
> > > > > > would nice. I bought a Jeep power steering shaft.
> > > > > > Overall, the column is longer than my Jeep and the shaft is much
> > > > shorter
> > > > > > than my stock. Does anybody know if I can use the Chevy tilt
> column
> > > and
> > > > > > gear box in the Jeep if I have a new power steering shaft?
> > > > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > > > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > > > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:407D7D8D.9F1F0A82@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > > > GM uses the same Saganaw steering column so you have a large
> choice
> > > > for
> > > > > > > colors, tilt, etc. at the wreckers..
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Daudi wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Ah. Yes. My wrangler is a 1987. The cherokee being parted out
> is
> > > > early
> > > > > > > > 90's I believe. I actually haven't asked because the idea just
> > > > recently
> > > > > > > > occured to me.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Wrangler's use GM steering columns?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Mike Romain wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > You need to give us some years and makes.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Apparently they changed the column from the Saganaw unit
> every
> > > GM
> > > > van,
> > > > > > > > > Camaro, Chevette and pickup uses in the mid 90's to
> something
> > > > else.
> > > > > > One
> > > > > > > > > person that doesn't usually have accurate info says it was
> in
> > > 94,
> > > > but
> > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > would suspect the change was with the TJ, not in the middle
> of
> > > the
> > > > > > > > > production run of the YJ's.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The GM units are a fast easy swap. A couple bolts under the
> > > dash,
> > > > a
> > > > > > > > > couple at the firewall and one spline bolt outside the
> firewall.
> > > > You
> > > > > > > > > pull and out it comes.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in
> '00
> > > > > > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Daudi wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >>The adjustable steering column in my wrangler is very loose;
> > > > sloppy
> > > > > > down
> > > > > > > > >>in the pivot, the joint. I am worried that it may come apart
> > > some
> > > > day
> > > > > > > > >>when driving.
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >>I've had the steering wheel come off a car when driving
> (long,
> > > > long
> > > > > > ago
> > > > > > > > >>when we bought cars for $50) but that was easy to put back
> on. A
> > > > > > > > >>separated U-joint down inside the steering column seems like
> it
> > > > would
> > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > >>more difficult to arrange.
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >>I can find a steering column from a parting out cherokee.
> Are
> > > they
> > > > > > > > >>interchangable?
> > > >
> > > >
Drink wrote:
>
> Good idea, Mike. Didn't even consider a simple hose clamp since there's
> no pressure on the fluid. It's too simple. The original box is so shot
> that a lightning fast lane change is where I'm at already. The only
> difference is that there's so much play that it does it on it's own:( This
> is just a temporary fix in the interim 'til I can get the other drivetrain
> in and get the right pump, reservoir, etc. Is the steering gonna be really
> hard like when you kill the engine with power steering or is that just the
> drag of a non-turning pump?
> The Saginaw box appears identical to mine but I think it's just a tad bit
> extended to accommodate the hoses. I have both steering columns from the
> Caprice and the Jeep and bought a power steering shaft to boot. If I can,
> I'll use the tilt wheel column from the Caprice and the power steering shaft
> for the Jeep to connect to the gear box. Once the drivetrain's swapped and
> I know what brackets and pump I need, I'll finish by changing the steering
> gear box. Maybe even a new AGR box.
> How's this all sound? Am I tracking right? Am I missing something?
>
> --
>
> o_o_o_o
> Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:40855F2F.F0DFFE7E@sympatico.ca...
> > What Bill is saying makes sense about mixing 'car' boxes and Jeep boxes.
> >
> > Someone else here has the same issue, the 'car' box is way too fast.
> >
> > I really don't know what you should expect mixing them up. The other
> > poster sure doesn't like it. I now know what he was complaining about.
> > I was thinking he has a camber issue because his steering won't track
> > back straight after a turn. Or too short of a pinion arm, but he
> > checked and it is the same.
> >
> > Now it makes more sense, the gear ratio is too tight to allow it to
> > track back straight by itself, it has to be pulled back. He was
> > grumbling something about ditches and front lawns and lane changes
> > faster than you can blink.....
> > I would run fluid in the power box if you do decide to use it, even if
> > the power isn't there. I would just hook the output to the input with a
> > hose clamp.
> >
> > I don't know what column you are playing with. The Saganaw unit that
> > the 80's GM have is exactly the same as the one in my 86 CJ7.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Drink wrote:
> > >
> > > Mike,
> > > I see that you're up this morning. Feel free to chime in with your
> > > thoughts since the question's for anybody with insight.
> > > o_o_o_o
> > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > "Drink" <drink@gnt.net> wrote in message
> > > news:c63ib0$6dp$1@news.utelfla.com...
> > > > Bill,
> > > > My manual steering box is shot and I have to replace it urgently.
> I'm
> > > > converting to a small block Chevy and NV4500 really soon and will
> convert
> > > to
> > > > power steering but don't have the pump/brackets/hoses yet. The
> Caprice's
> > > > steering box appears the same, only a bit longer since it's power
> > > steering.
> > > > I'll get a correct box but this is all I have right now.
> > > > Can I put in the Caprice's power steering box for now and run it
> like a
> > > > manual box without hurting the box or struggling without the pump's
> > > assist?
> > > > Any ideas on how to bypass the pump & reservoir? (I have a 2" body
> lift
> > > if
> > > > that makes a difference.)
> > > > I know steering will by fast and touchy but the manual box is just
> > > unsafe.
> > > > It's adjusted to the point that the nut barely has a thread to hang on
> to
> > > > and still has about 1/2 a full turn on the steering wheel of play.
> Deep
> > > > wheel ruts on the road make me fishtail as I steer back and forth to
> keep
> > > it
> > > > under control so I stay under 45mph. When I pulled out of a parking
> lot
> > > the
> > > > other day, something felt like it wanted to bind in the gear. I'm
> > > literally
> > > > on the verge of a "bind".
> > > > I really appreciate any advice I can get 'cause it's my daily driver
> 4
> > > > miles to work.
> > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > > > news:40819860.D2EF8586@***.net...
> > > > > Hi Jim,
> > > > > There's a zillion old Jeeps running around with that setup. But
> I'd
> > > > > really try to keep it with the stock sized box, shafts and column,
> it'll
> > > > > probably save you time improvising, and a whole lot easier for the
> next
> > > > > owner. There's also a big difference between passenger and Jeep
> steering
> > > > > ratios, three turns lock to lock is about twice as fast a Jeep.
> > > > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > > > >
> > > > > Drink wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I have an old tilt steering column (column shift), shaft and
> power
> > > > > > steering gear box from a Chevy caprice (model unknown but it
> looked
> > > late
> > > > > > 80's to very early 90's). I want to convert to power steering and
> the
> > > > tilt
> > > > > > would nice. I bought a Jeep power steering shaft.
> > > > > > Overall, the column is longer than my Jeep and the shaft is much
> > > > shorter
> > > > > > than my stock. Does anybody know if I can use the Chevy tilt
> column
> > > and
> > > > > > gear box in the Jeep if I have a new power steering shaft?
> > > > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > > > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > > > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:407D7D8D.9F1F0A82@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > > > GM uses the same Saganaw steering column so you have a large
> choice
> > > > for
> > > > > > > colors, tilt, etc. at the wreckers..
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Daudi wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Ah. Yes. My wrangler is a 1987. The cherokee being parted out
> is
> > > > early
> > > > > > > > 90's I believe. I actually haven't asked because the idea just
> > > > recently
> > > > > > > > occured to me.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Wrangler's use GM steering columns?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Mike Romain wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > You need to give us some years and makes.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Apparently they changed the column from the Saganaw unit
> every
> > > GM
> > > > van,
> > > > > > > > > Camaro, Chevette and pickup uses in the mid 90's to
> something
> > > > else.
> > > > > > One
> > > > > > > > > person that doesn't usually have accurate info says it was
> in
> > > 94,
> > > > but
> > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > would suspect the change was with the TJ, not in the middle
> of
> > > the
> > > > > > > > > production run of the YJ's.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The GM units are a fast easy swap. A couple bolts under the
> > > dash,
> > > > a
> > > > > > > > > couple at the firewall and one spline bolt outside the
> firewall.
> > > > You
> > > > > > > > > pull and out it comes.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in
> '00
> > > > > > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Daudi wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >>The adjustable steering column in my wrangler is very loose;
> > > > sloppy
> > > > > > down
> > > > > > > > >>in the pivot, the joint. I am worried that it may come apart
> > > some
> > > > day
> > > > > > > > >>when driving.
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >>I've had the steering wheel come off a car when driving
> (long,
> > > > long
> > > > > > ago
> > > > > > > > >>when we bought cars for $50) but that was easy to put back
> on. A
> > > > > > > > >>separated U-joint down inside the steering column seems like
> it
> > > > would
> > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > >>more difficult to arrange.
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >>I can find a steering column from a parting out cherokee.
> Are
> > > they
> > > > > > > > >>interchangable?
> > > >
> > > >