Mike Romain

Sounds about right. It will be 'armstrong' steering for sure, way
harder than standard steering.

Mike

Drink wrote:
>
> Good idea, Mike. Didn't even consider a simple hose clamp since there's
> no pressure on the fluid. It's too simple. The original box is so shot
> that a lightning fast lane change is where I'm at already. The only
> difference is that there's so much play that it does it on it's own:( This
> is just a temporary fix in the interim 'til I can get the other drivetrain
> in and get the right pump, reservoir, etc. Is the steering gonna be really
> hard like when you kill the engine with power steering or is that just the
> drag of a non-turning pump?
> The Saginaw box appears identical to mine but I think it's just a tad bit
> extended to accommodate the hoses. I have both steering columns from the
> Caprice and the Jeep and bought a power steering shaft to boot. If I can,
> I'll use the tilt wheel column from the Caprice and the power steering shaft
> for the Jeep to connect to the gear box. Once the drivetrain's swapped and
> I know what brackets and pump I need, I'll finish by changing the steering
> gear box. Maybe even a new AGR box.
> How's this all sound? Am I tracking right? Am I missing something?
>
> --
>
> o_o_o_o
> Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:40855F2F.F0DFFE7E@sympatico.ca...
> > What Bill is saying makes sense about mixing 'car' boxes and Jeep boxes.
> >
> > Someone else here has the same issue, the 'car' box is way too fast.
> >
> > I really don't know what you should expect mixing them up. The other
> > poster sure doesn't like it. I now know what he was complaining about.
> > I was thinking he has a camber issue because his steering won't track
> > back straight after a turn. Or too short of a pinion arm, but he
> > checked and it is the same.
> >
> > Now it makes more sense, the gear ratio is too tight to allow it to
> > track back straight by itself, it has to be pulled back. He was
> > grumbling something about ditches and front lawns and lane changes
> > faster than you can blink.....
> > I would run fluid in the power box if you do decide to use it, even if
> > the power isn't there. I would just hook the output to the input with a
> > hose clamp.
> >
> > I don't know what column you are playing with. The Saganaw unit that
> > the 80's GM have is exactly the same as the one in my 86 CJ7.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Drink wrote:
> > >
> > > Mike,
> > > I see that you're up this morning. Feel free to chime in with your
> > > thoughts since the question's for anybody with insight.
> > > o_o_o_o
> > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > "Drink" <drink@gnt.net> wrote in message
> > > news:c63ib0$6dp$1@news.utelfla.com...
> > > > Bill,
> > > > My manual steering box is shot and I have to replace it urgently.
> I'm
> > > > converting to a small block Chevy and NV4500 really soon and will
> convert
> > > to
> > > > power steering but don't have the pump/brackets/hoses yet. The
> Caprice's
> > > > steering box appears the same, only a bit longer since it's power
> > > steering.
> > > > I'll get a correct box but this is all I have right now.
> > > > Can I put in the Caprice's power steering box for now and run it
> like a
> > > > manual box without hurting the box or struggling without the pump's
> > > assist?
> > > > Any ideas on how to bypass the pump & reservoir? (I have a 2" body
> lift
> > > if
> > > > that makes a difference.)
> > > > I know steering will by fast and touchy but the manual box is just
> > > unsafe.
> > > > It's adjusted to the point that the nut barely has a thread to hang on
> to
> > > > and still has about 1/2 a full turn on the steering wheel of play.
> Deep
> > > > wheel ruts on the road make me fishtail as I steer back and forth to
> keep
> > > it
> > > > under control so I stay under 45mph. When I pulled out of a parking
> lot
> > > the
> > > > other day, something felt like it wanted to bind in the gear. I'm
> > > literally
> > > > on the verge of a "bind".
> > > > I really appreciate any advice I can get 'cause it's my daily driver
> 4
> > > > miles to work.
> > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > > > news:40819860.D2EF8586@***.net...
> > > > > Hi Jim,
> > > > > There's a zillion old Jeeps running around with that setup. But
> I'd
> > > > > really try to keep it with the stock sized box, shafts and column,
> it'll
> > > > > probably save you time improvising, and a whole lot easier for the
> next
> > > > > owner. There's also a big difference between passenger and Jeep
> steering
> > > > > ratios, three turns lock to lock is about twice as fast a Jeep.
> > > > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > > > >
> > > > > Drink wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I have an old tilt steering column (column shift), shaft and
> power
> > > > > > steering gear box from a Chevy caprice (model unknown but it
> looked
> > > late
> > > > > > 80's to very early 90's). I want to convert to power steering and
> the
> > > > tilt
> > > > > > would nice. I bought a Jeep power steering shaft.
> > > > > > Overall, the column is longer than my Jeep and the shaft is much
> > > > shorter
> > > > > > than my stock. Does anybody know if I can use the Chevy tilt
> column
> > > and
> > > > > > gear box in the Jeep if I have a new power steering shaft?
> > > > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > > > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > > > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:407D7D8D.9F1F0A82@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > > > GM uses the same Saganaw steering column so you have a large
> choice
> > > > for
> > > > > > > colors, tilt, etc. at the wreckers..
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Daudi wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Ah. Yes. My wrangler is a 1987. The cherokee being parted out
> is
> > > > early
> > > > > > > > 90's I believe. I actually haven't asked because the idea just
> > > > recently
> > > > > > > > occured to me.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Wrangler's use GM steering columns?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Mike Romain wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > You need to give us some years and makes.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Apparently they changed the column from the Saganaw unit
> every
> > > GM
> > > > van,
> > > > > > > > > Camaro, Chevette and pickup uses in the mid 90's to
> something
> > > > else.
> > > > > > One
> > > > > > > > > person that doesn't usually have accurate info says it was
> in
> > > 94,
> > > > but
> > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > would suspect the change was with the TJ, not in the middle
> of
> > > the
> > > > > > > > > production run of the YJ's.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The GM units are a fast easy swap. A couple bolts under the
> > > dash,
> > > > a
> > > > > > > > > couple at the firewall and one spline bolt outside the
> firewall.
> > > > You
> > > > > > > > > pull and out it comes.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in
> '00
> > > > > > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Daudi wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >>The adjustable steering column in my wrangler is very loose;
> > > > sloppy
> > > > > > down
> > > > > > > > >>in the pivot, the joint. I am worried that it may come apart
> > > some
> > > > day
> > > > > > > > >>when driving.
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >>I've had the steering wheel come off a car when driving
> (long,
> > > > long
> > > > > > ago
> > > > > > > > >>when we bought cars for $50) but that was easy to put back
> on. A
> > > > > > > > >>separated U-joint down inside the steering column seems like
> it
> > > > would
> > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > >>more difficult to arrange.
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >>I can find a steering column from a parting out cherokee.
> Are
> > > they
> > > > > > > > >>interchangable?
> > > >
> > > >


Drink wrote:
>
> Good idea, Mike. Didn't even consider a simple hose clamp since there's
> no pressure on the fluid. It's too simple. The original box is so shot
> that a lightning fast lane change is where I'm at already. The only
> difference is that there's so much play that it does it on it's own:( This
> is just a temporary fix in the interim 'til I can get the other drivetrain
> in and get the right pump, reservoir, etc. Is the steering gonna be really
> hard like when you kill the engine with power steering or is that just the
> drag of a non-turning pump?
> The Saginaw box appears identical to mine but I think it's just a tad bit
> extended to accommodate the hoses. I have both steering columns from the
> Caprice and the Jeep and bought a power steering shaft to boot. If I can,
> I'll use the tilt wheel column from the Caprice and the power steering shaft
> for the Jeep to connect to the gear box. Once the drivetrain's swapped and
> I know what brackets and pump I need, I'll finish by changing the steering
> gear box. Maybe even a new AGR box.
> How's this all sound? Am I tracking right? Am I missing something?
>
> --
>
> o_o_o_o
> Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:40855F2F.F0DFFE7E@sympatico.ca...
> > What Bill is saying makes sense about mixing 'car' boxes and Jeep boxes.
> >
> > Someone else here has the same issue, the 'car' box is way too fast.
> >
> > I really don't know what you should expect mixing them up. The other
> > poster sure doesn't like it. I now know what he was complaining about.
> > I was thinking he has a camber issue because his steering won't track
> > back straight after a turn. Or too short of a pinion arm, but he
> > checked and it is the same.
> >
> > Now it makes more sense, the gear ratio is too tight to allow it to
> > track back straight by itself, it has to be pulled back. He was
> > grumbling something about ditches and front lawns and lane changes
> > faster than you can blink.....
> > I would run fluid in the power box if you do decide to use it, even if
> > the power isn't there. I would just hook the output to the input with a
> > hose clamp.
> >
> > I don't know what column you are playing with. The Saganaw unit that
> > the 80's GM have is exactly the same as the one in my 86 CJ7.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Drink wrote:
> > >
> > > Mike,
> > > I see that you're up this morning. Feel free to chime in with your
> > > thoughts since the question's for anybody with insight.
> > > o_o_o_o
> > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > "Drink" <drink@gnt.net> wrote in message
> > > news:c63ib0$6dp$1@news.utelfla.com...
> > > > Bill,
> > > > My manual steering box is shot and I have to replace it urgently.
> I'm
> > > > converting to a small block Chevy and NV4500 really soon and will
> convert
> > > to
> > > > power steering but don't have the pump/brackets/hoses yet. The
> Caprice's
> > > > steering box appears the same, only a bit longer since it's power
> > > steering.
> > > > I'll get a correct box but this is all I have right now.
> > > > Can I put in the Caprice's power steering box for now and run it
> like a
> > > > manual box without hurting the box or struggling without the pump's
> > > assist?
> > > > Any ideas on how to bypass the pump & reservoir? (I have a 2" body
> lift
> > > if
> > > > that makes a difference.)
> > > > I know steering will by fast and touchy but the manual box is just
> > > unsafe.
> > > > It's adjusted to the point that the nut barely has a thread to hang on
> to
> > > > and still has about 1/2 a full turn on the steering wheel of play.
> Deep
> > > > wheel ruts on the road make me fishtail as I steer back and forth to
> keep
> > > it
> > > > under control so I stay under 45mph. When I pulled out of a parking
> lot
> > > the
> > > > other day, something felt like it wanted to bind in the gear. I'm
> > > literally
> > > > on the verge of a "bind".
> > > > I really appreciate any advice I can get 'cause it's my daily driver
> 4
> > > > miles to work.
> > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > > > news:40819860.D2EF8586@***.net...
> > > > > Hi Jim,
> > > > > There's a zillion old Jeeps running around with that setup. But
> I'd
> > > > > really try to keep it with the stock sized box, shafts and column,
> it'll
> > > > > probably save you time improvising, and a whole lot easier for the
> next
> > > > > owner. There's also a big difference between passenger and Jeep
> steering
> > > > > ratios, three turns lock to lock is about twice as fast a Jeep.
> > > > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > > > >
> > > > > Drink wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I have an old tilt steering column (column shift), shaft and
> power
> > > > > > steering gear box from a Chevy caprice (model unknown but it
> looked
> > > late
> > > > > > 80's to very early 90's). I want to convert to power steering and
> the
> > > > tilt
> > > > > > would nice. I bought a Jeep power steering shaft.
> > > > > > Overall, the column is longer than my Jeep and the shaft is much
> > > > shorter
> > > > > > than my stock. Does anybody know if I can use the Chevy tilt
> column
> > > and
> > > > > > gear box in the Jeep if I have a new power steering shaft?
> > > > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > > > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > > > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:407D7D8D.9F1F0A82@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > > > GM uses the same Saganaw steering column so you have a large
> choice
> > > > for
> > > > > > > colors, tilt, etc. at the wreckers..
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Daudi wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Ah. Yes. My wrangler is a 1987. The cherokee being parted out
> is
> > > > early
> > > > > > > > 90's I believe. I actually haven't asked because the idea just
> > > > recently
> > > > > > > > occured to me.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Wrangler's use GM steering columns?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Mike Romain wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > You need to give us some years and makes.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Apparently they changed the column from the Saganaw unit
> every
> > > GM
> > > > van,
> > > > > > > > > Camaro, Chevette and pickup uses in the mid 90's to
> something
> > > > else.
> > > > > > One
> > > > > > > > > person that doesn't usually have accurate info says it was
> in
> > > 94,
> > > > but
> > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > would suspect the change was with the TJ, not in the middle
> of
> > > the
> > > > > > > > > production run of the YJ's.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The GM units are a fast easy swap. A couple bolts under the
> > > dash,
> > > > a
> > > > > > > > > couple at the firewall and one spline bolt outside the
> firewall.
> > > > You
> > > > > > > > > pull and out it comes.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in
> '00
> > > > > > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Daudi wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >>The adjustable steering column in my wrangler is very loose;
> > > > sloppy
> > > > > > down
> > > > > > > > >>in the pivot, the joint. I am worried that it may come apart
> > > some
> > > > day
> > > > > > > > >>when driving.
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >>I've had the steering wheel come off a car when driving
> (long,
> > > > long
> > > > > > ago
> > > > > > > > >>when we bought cars for $50) but that was easy to put back
> on. A
> > > > > > > > >>separated U-joint down inside the steering column seems like
> it
> > > > would
> > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > >>more difficult to arrange.
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >>I can find a steering column from a parting out cherokee.
> Are
> > > they
> > > > > > > > >>interchangable?
> > > >
> > > >

Mike Romain

The steering column is the part that is inside the Jeep cab. This is a
Saganaw unit like the one the GM's use.

The steering shaft is it's own part, same for the box. Likely Jeep
specific for those.

So you 'can' still have tilt steering...

Mike

Drink wrote:
>
> Just got off the line with 4WDHardware and they told me the following.
> The only difference between the power/manual steering shaft is that the
> input shaft to the box is 3/4in for the manual box and 13/16in for the
> powered box. Length is identical.
> The GM box I have has a much smaller input shaft with a peg coming out the
> end of the shaft so the Jeep shaft won't slip on regardless of shaft
> diameter. It looks as though I'll have to break down and bite the bullet to
> buy a new Jeep box. I really wanted to go with an AGR box and still might;
> having to put off the engine/tranny swap til I get a little more money.
> Anybody heard this about the shaft diameter for GM vice Jeep? Having that
> tilt wheel would've been nice.
> o_o_o_o
> Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> "Drink" <drink@gnt.net> wrote in message
> news:c63ohh$b5e$1@news.utelfla.com...
> > Good idea, Mike. Didn't even consider a simple hose clamp since there's
> > no pressure on the fluid. It's too simple. The original box is so shot
> > that a lightning fast lane change is where I'm at already. The only
> > difference is that there's so much play that it does it on it's own:(
> This
> > is just a temporary fix in the interim 'til I can get the other drivetrain
> > in and get the right pump, reservoir, etc. Is the steering gonna be
> really
> > hard like when you kill the engine with power steering or is that just the
> > drag of a non-turning pump?
> > The Saginaw box appears identical to mine but I think it's just a tad
> bit
> > extended to accommodate the hoses. I have both steering columns from the
> > Caprice and the Jeep and bought a power steering shaft to boot. If I can,
> > I'll use the tilt wheel column from the Caprice and the power steering
> shaft
> > for the Jeep to connect to the gear box. Once the drivetrain's swapped
> and
> > I know what brackets and pump I need, I'll finish by changing the steering
>
> > gear box. Maybe even a new AGR box.
> > How's this all sound? Am I tracking right? Am I missing something?
> >
> > --
> >
> > o_o_o_o
> > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:40855F2F.F0DFFE7E@sympatico.ca...
> > > What Bill is saying makes sense about mixing 'car' boxes and Jeep boxes.
> > >
> > > Someone else here has the same issue, the 'car' box is way too fast.
> > >
> > > I really don't know what you should expect mixing them up. The other
> > > poster sure doesn't like it. I now know what he was complaining about.
> > > I was thinking he has a camber issue because his steering won't track
> > > back straight after a turn. Or too short of a pinion arm, but he
> > > checked and it is the same.
> > >
> > > Now it makes more sense, the gear ratio is too tight to allow it to
> > > track back straight by itself, it has to be pulled back. He was
> > > grumbling something about ditches and front lawns and lane changes
> > > faster than you can blink.....
> > > I would run fluid in the power box if you do decide to use it, even if
> > > the power isn't there. I would just hook the output to the input with a
> > > hose clamp.
> > >
> > > I don't know what column you are playing with. The Saganaw unit that
> > > the 80's GM have is exactly the same as the one in my 86 CJ7.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > > Drink wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Mike,
> > > > I see that you're up this morning. Feel free to chime in with your
> > > > thoughts since the question's for anybody with insight.
> > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > > "Drink" <drink@gnt.net> wrote in message
> > > > news:c63ib0$6dp$1@news.utelfla.com...
> > > > > Bill,
> > > > > My manual steering box is shot and I have to replace it urgently.
> > I'm
> > > > > converting to a small block Chevy and NV4500 really soon and will
> > convert
> > > > to
> > > > > power steering but don't have the pump/brackets/hoses yet. The
> > Caprice's
> > > > > steering box appears the same, only a bit longer since it's power
> > > > steering.
> > > > > I'll get a correct box but this is all I have right now.
> > > > > Can I put in the Caprice's power steering box for now and run it
> > like a
> > > > > manual box without hurting the box or struggling without the pump's
> > > > assist?
> > > > > Any ideas on how to bypass the pump & reservoir? (I have a 2" body
> > lift
> > > > if
> > > > > that makes a difference.)
> > > > > I know steering will by fast and touchy but the manual box is just
> > > > unsafe.
> > > > > It's adjusted to the point that the nut barely has a thread to hang
> on
> > to
> > > > > and still has about 1/2 a full turn on the steering wheel of play.
> > Deep
> > > > > wheel ruts on the road make me fishtail as I steer back and forth to
> > keep
> > > > it
> > > > > under control so I stay under 45mph. When I pulled out of a parking
> > lot
> > > > the
> > > > > other day, something felt like it wanted to bind in the gear. I'm
> > > > literally
> > > > > on the verge of a "bind".
> > > > > I really appreciate any advice I can get 'cause it's my daily
> driver
> > 4
> > > > > miles to work.
> > > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > > > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > > > > news:40819860.D2EF8586@***.net...
> > > > > > Hi Jim,
> > > > > > There's a zillion old Jeeps running around with that setup.
> But
> > I'd
> > > > > > really try to keep it with the stock sized box, shafts and column,
> > it'll
> > > > > > probably save you time improvising, and a whole lot easier for the
> > next
> > > > > > owner. There's also a big difference between passenger and Jeep
> > steering
> > > > > > ratios, three turns lock to lock is about twice as fast a Jeep.
> > > > > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > > > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Drink wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I have an old tilt steering column (column shift), shaft and
> > power
> > > > > > > steering gear box from a Chevy caprice (model unknown but it
> > looked
> > > > late
> > > > > > > 80's to very early 90's). I want to convert to power steering
> and
> > the
> > > > > tilt
> > > > > > > would nice. I bought a Jeep power steering shaft.
> > > > > > > Overall, the column is longer than my Jeep and the shaft is
> much
> > > > > shorter
> > > > > > > than my stock. Does anybody know if I can use the Chevy tilt
> > column
> > > > and
> > > > > > > gear box in the Jeep if I have a new power steering shaft?
> > > > > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > > > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > > > > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > > > > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > > > > news:407D7D8D.9F1F0A82@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > > > > GM uses the same Saganaw steering column so you have a large
> > choice
> > > > > for
> > > > > > > > colors, tilt, etc. at the wreckers..
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Daudi wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Ah. Yes. My wrangler is a 1987. The cherokee being parted
> out
> > is
> > > > > early
> > > > > > > > > 90's I believe. I actually haven't asked because the idea
> just
> > > > > recently
> > > > > > > > > occured to me.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Wrangler's use GM steering columns?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Mike Romain wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > You need to give us some years and makes.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Apparently they changed the column from the Saganaw unit
> > every
> > > > GM
> > > > > van,
> > > > > > > > > > Camaro, Chevette and pickup uses in the mid 90's to
> > something
> > > > > else.
> > > > > > > One
> > > > > > > > > > person that doesn't usually have accurate info says it was
> > in
> > > > 94,
> > > > > but
> > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > would suspect the change was with the TJ, not in the
> middle
> > of
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > production run of the YJ's.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > The GM units are a fast easy swap. A couple bolts under
> the
> > > > dash,
> > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > couple at the firewall and one spline bolt outside the
> > firewall.
> > > > > You
> > > > > > > > > > pull and out it comes.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in
> > '00
> > > > > > > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Daudi wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >>The adjustable steering column in my wrangler is very
> loose;
> > > > > sloppy
> > > > > > > down
> > > > > > > > > >>in the pivot, the joint. I am worried that it may come
> apart
> > > > some
> > > > > day
> > > > > > > > > >>when driving.
> > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > >>I've had the steering wheel come off a car when driving
> > (long,
> > > > > long
> > > > > > > ago
> > > > > > > > > >>when we bought cars for $50) but that was easy to put back
> > on. A
> > > > > > > > > >>separated U-joint down inside the steering column seems
> like
> > it
> > > > > would
> > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > >>more difficult to arrange.
> > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > >>I can find a steering column from a parting out cherokee.
> > Are
> > > > they
> > > > > > > > > >>interchangable?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> >
> >

Mike Romain

The steering column is the part that is inside the Jeep cab. This is a
Saganaw unit like the one the GM's use.

The steering shaft is it's own part, same for the box. Likely Jeep
specific for those.

So you 'can' still have tilt steering...

Mike

Drink wrote:
>
> Just got off the line with 4WDHardware and they told me the following.
> The only difference between the power/manual steering shaft is that the
> input shaft to the box is 3/4in for the manual box and 13/16in for the
> powered box. Length is identical.
> The GM box I have has a much smaller input shaft with a peg coming out the
> end of the shaft so the Jeep shaft won't slip on regardless of shaft
> diameter. It looks as though I'll have to break down and bite the bullet to
> buy a new Jeep box. I really wanted to go with an AGR box and still might;
> having to put off the engine/tranny swap til I get a little more money.
> Anybody heard this about the shaft diameter for GM vice Jeep? Having that
> tilt wheel would've been nice.
> o_o_o_o
> Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> "Drink" <drink@gnt.net> wrote in message
> news:c63ohh$b5e$1@news.utelfla.com...
> > Good idea, Mike. Didn't even consider a simple hose clamp since there's
> > no pressure on the fluid. It's too simple. The original box is so shot
> > that a lightning fast lane change is where I'm at already. The only
> > difference is that there's so much play that it does it on it's own:(
> This
> > is just a temporary fix in the interim 'til I can get the other drivetrain
> > in and get the right pump, reservoir, etc. Is the steering gonna be
> really
> > hard like when you kill the engine with power steering or is that just the
> > drag of a non-turning pump?
> > The Saginaw box appears identical to mine but I think it's just a tad
> bit
> > extended to accommodate the hoses. I have both steering columns from the
> > Caprice and the Jeep and bought a power steering shaft to boot. If I can,
> > I'll use the tilt wheel column from the Caprice and the power steering
> shaft
> > for the Jeep to connect to the gear box. Once the drivetrain's swapped
> and
> > I know what brackets and pump I need, I'll finish by changing the steering
>
> > gear box. Maybe even a new AGR box.
> > How's this all sound? Am I tracking right? Am I missing something?
> >
> > --
> >
> > o_o_o_o
> > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:40855F2F.F0DFFE7E@sympatico.ca...
> > > What Bill is saying makes sense about mixing 'car' boxes and Jeep boxes.
> > >
> > > Someone else here has the same issue, the 'car' box is way too fast.
> > >
> > > I really don't know what you should expect mixing them up. The other
> > > poster sure doesn't like it. I now know what he was complaining about.
> > > I was thinking he has a camber issue because his steering won't track
> > > back straight after a turn. Or too short of a pinion arm, but he
> > > checked and it is the same.
> > >
> > > Now it makes more sense, the gear ratio is too tight to allow it to
> > > track back straight by itself, it has to be pulled back. He was
> > > grumbling something about ditches and front lawns and lane changes
> > > faster than you can blink.....
> > > I would run fluid in the power box if you do decide to use it, even if
> > > the power isn't there. I would just hook the output to the input with a
> > > hose clamp.
> > >
> > > I don't know what column you are playing with. The Saganaw unit that
> > > the 80's GM have is exactly the same as the one in my 86 CJ7.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > > Drink wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Mike,
> > > > I see that you're up this morning. Feel free to chime in with your
> > > > thoughts since the question's for anybody with insight.
> > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > > "Drink" <drink@gnt.net> wrote in message
> > > > news:c63ib0$6dp$1@news.utelfla.com...
> > > > > Bill,
> > > > > My manual steering box is shot and I have to replace it urgently.
> > I'm
> > > > > converting to a small block Chevy and NV4500 really soon and will
> > convert
> > > > to
> > > > > power steering but don't have the pump/brackets/hoses yet. The
> > Caprice's
> > > > > steering box appears the same, only a bit longer since it's power
> > > > steering.
> > > > > I'll get a correct box but this is all I have right now.
> > > > > Can I put in the Caprice's power steering box for now and run it
> > like a
> > > > > manual box without hurting the box or struggling without the pump's
> > > > assist?
> > > > > Any ideas on how to bypass the pump & reservoir? (I have a 2" body
> > lift
> > > > if
> > > > > that makes a difference.)
> > > > > I know steering will by fast and touchy but the manual box is just
> > > > unsafe.
> > > > > It's adjusted to the point that the nut barely has a thread to hang
> on
> > to
> > > > > and still has about 1/2 a full turn on the steering wheel of play.
> > Deep
> > > > > wheel ruts on the road make me fishtail as I steer back and forth to
> > keep
> > > > it
> > > > > under control so I stay under 45mph. When I pulled out of a parking
> > lot
> > > > the
> > > > > other day, something felt like it wanted to bind in the gear. I'm
> > > > literally
> > > > > on the verge of a "bind".
> > > > > I really appreciate any advice I can get 'cause it's my daily
> driver
> > 4
> > > > > miles to work.
> > > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > > > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > > > > news:40819860.D2EF8586@***.net...
> > > > > > Hi Jim,
> > > > > > There's a zillion old Jeeps running around with that setup.
> But
> > I'd
> > > > > > really try to keep it with the stock sized box, shafts and column,
> > it'll
> > > > > > probably save you time improvising, and a whole lot easier for the
> > next
> > > > > > owner. There's also a big difference between passenger and Jeep
> > steering
> > > > > > ratios, three turns lock to lock is about twice as fast a Jeep.
> > > > > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > > > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Drink wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I have an old tilt steering column (column shift), shaft and
> > power
> > > > > > > steering gear box from a Chevy caprice (model unknown but it
> > looked
> > > > late
> > > > > > > 80's to very early 90's). I want to convert to power steering
> and
> > the
> > > > > tilt
> > > > > > > would nice. I bought a Jeep power steering shaft.
> > > > > > > Overall, the column is longer than my Jeep and the shaft is
> much
> > > > > shorter
> > > > > > > than my stock. Does anybody know if I can use the Chevy tilt
> > column
> > > > and
> > > > > > > gear box in the Jeep if I have a new power steering shaft?
> > > > > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > > > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > > > > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > > > > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > > > > news:407D7D8D.9F1F0A82@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > > > > GM uses the same Saganaw steering column so you have a large
> > choice
> > > > > for
> > > > > > > > colors, tilt, etc. at the wreckers..
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Daudi wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Ah. Yes. My wrangler is a 1987. The cherokee being parted
> out
> > is
> > > > > early
> > > > > > > > > 90's I believe. I actually haven't asked because the idea
> just
> > > > > recently
> > > > > > > > > occured to me.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Wrangler's use GM steering columns?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Mike Romain wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > You need to give us some years and makes.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Apparently they changed the column from the Saganaw unit
> > every
> > > > GM
> > > > > van,
> > > > > > > > > > Camaro, Chevette and pickup uses in the mid 90's to
> > something
> > > > > else.
> > > > > > > One
> > > > > > > > > > person that doesn't usually have accurate info says it was
> > in
> > > > 94,
> > > > > but
> > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > would suspect the change was with the TJ, not in the
> middle
> > of
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > production run of the YJ's.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > The GM units are a fast easy swap. A couple bolts under
> the
> > > > dash,
> > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > couple at the firewall and one spline bolt outside the
> > firewall.
> > > > > You
> > > > > > > > > > pull and out it comes.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in
> > '00
> > > > > > > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Daudi wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >>The adjustable steering column in my wrangler is very
> loose;
> > > > > sloppy
> > > > > > > down
> > > > > > > > > >>in the pivot, the joint. I am worried that it may come
> apart
> > > > some
> > > > > day
> > > > > > > > > >>when driving.
> > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > >>I've had the steering wheel come off a car when driving
> > (long,
> > > > > long
> > > > > > > ago
> > > > > > > > > >>when we bought cars for $50) but that was easy to put back
> > on. A
> > > > > > > > > >>separated U-joint down inside the steering column seems
> like
> > it
> > > > > would
> > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > >>more difficult to arrange.
> > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > >>I can find a steering column from a parting out cherokee.
> > Are
> > > > they
> > > > > > > > > >>interchangable?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> >
> >

Mike Romain

The steering column is the part that is inside the Jeep cab. This is a
Saganaw unit like the one the GM's use.

The steering shaft is it's own part, same for the box. Likely Jeep
specific for those.

So you 'can' still have tilt steering...

Mike

Drink wrote:
>
> Just got off the line with 4WDHardware and they told me the following.
> The only difference between the power/manual steering shaft is that the
> input shaft to the box is 3/4in for the manual box and 13/16in for the
> powered box. Length is identical.
> The GM box I have has a much smaller input shaft with a peg coming out the
> end of the shaft so the Jeep shaft won't slip on regardless of shaft
> diameter. It looks as though I'll have to break down and bite the bullet to
> buy a new Jeep box. I really wanted to go with an AGR box and still might;
> having to put off the engine/tranny swap til I get a little more money.
> Anybody heard this about the shaft diameter for GM vice Jeep? Having that
> tilt wheel would've been nice.
> o_o_o_o
> Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> "Drink" <drink@gnt.net> wrote in message
> news:c63ohh$b5e$1@news.utelfla.com...
> > Good idea, Mike. Didn't even consider a simple hose clamp since there's
> > no pressure on the fluid. It's too simple. The original box is so shot
> > that a lightning fast lane change is where I'm at already. The only
> > difference is that there's so much play that it does it on it's own:(
> This
> > is just a temporary fix in the interim 'til I can get the other drivetrain
> > in and get the right pump, reservoir, etc. Is the steering gonna be
> really
> > hard like when you kill the engine with power steering or is that just the
> > drag of a non-turning pump?
> > The Saginaw box appears identical to mine but I think it's just a tad
> bit
> > extended to accommodate the hoses. I have both steering columns from the
> > Caprice and the Jeep and bought a power steering shaft to boot. If I can,
> > I'll use the tilt wheel column from the Caprice and the power steering
> shaft
> > for the Jeep to connect to the gear box. Once the drivetrain's swapped
> and
> > I know what brackets and pump I need, I'll finish by changing the steering
>
> > gear box. Maybe even a new AGR box.
> > How's this all sound? Am I tracking right? Am I missing something?
> >
> > --
> >
> > o_o_o_o
> > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:40855F2F.F0DFFE7E@sympatico.ca...
> > > What Bill is saying makes sense about mixing 'car' boxes and Jeep boxes.
> > >
> > > Someone else here has the same issue, the 'car' box is way too fast.
> > >
> > > I really don't know what you should expect mixing them up. The other
> > > poster sure doesn't like it. I now know what he was complaining about.
> > > I was thinking he has a camber issue because his steering won't track
> > > back straight after a turn. Or too short of a pinion arm, but he
> > > checked and it is the same.
> > >
> > > Now it makes more sense, the gear ratio is too tight to allow it to
> > > track back straight by itself, it has to be pulled back. He was
> > > grumbling something about ditches and front lawns and lane changes
> > > faster than you can blink.....
> > > I would run fluid in the power box if you do decide to use it, even if
> > > the power isn't there. I would just hook the output to the input with a
> > > hose clamp.
> > >
> > > I don't know what column you are playing with. The Saganaw unit that
> > > the 80's GM have is exactly the same as the one in my 86 CJ7.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > > Drink wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Mike,
> > > > I see that you're up this morning. Feel free to chime in with your
> > > > thoughts since the question's for anybody with insight.
> > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > > "Drink" <drink@gnt.net> wrote in message
> > > > news:c63ib0$6dp$1@news.utelfla.com...
> > > > > Bill,
> > > > > My manual steering box is shot and I have to replace it urgently.
> > I'm
> > > > > converting to a small block Chevy and NV4500 really soon and will
> > convert
> > > > to
> > > > > power steering but don't have the pump/brackets/hoses yet. The
> > Caprice's
> > > > > steering box appears the same, only a bit longer since it's power
> > > > steering.
> > > > > I'll get a correct box but this is all I have right now.
> > > > > Can I put in the Caprice's power steering box for now and run it
> > like a
> > > > > manual box without hurting the box or struggling without the pump's
> > > > assist?
> > > > > Any ideas on how to bypass the pump & reservoir? (I have a 2" body
> > lift
> > > > if
> > > > > that makes a difference.)
> > > > > I know steering will by fast and touchy but the manual box is just
> > > > unsafe.
> > > > > It's adjusted to the point that the nut barely has a thread to hang
> on
> > to
> > > > > and still has about 1/2 a full turn on the steering wheel of play.
> > Deep
> > > > > wheel ruts on the road make me fishtail as I steer back and forth to
> > keep
> > > > it
> > > > > under control so I stay under 45mph. When I pulled out of a parking
> > lot
> > > > the
> > > > > other day, something felt like it wanted to bind in the gear. I'm
> > > > literally
> > > > > on the verge of a "bind".
> > > > > I really appreciate any advice I can get 'cause it's my daily
> driver
> > 4
> > > > > miles to work.
> > > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > > > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > > > > news:40819860.D2EF8586@***.net...
> > > > > > Hi Jim,
> > > > > > There's a zillion old Jeeps running around with that setup.
> But
> > I'd
> > > > > > really try to keep it with the stock sized box, shafts and column,
> > it'll
> > > > > > probably save you time improvising, and a whole lot easier for the
> > next
> > > > > > owner. There's also a big difference between passenger and Jeep
> > steering
> > > > > > ratios, three turns lock to lock is about twice as fast a Jeep.
> > > > > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > > > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Drink wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I have an old tilt steering column (column shift), shaft and
> > power
> > > > > > > steering gear box from a Chevy caprice (model unknown but it
> > looked
> > > > late
> > > > > > > 80's to very early 90's). I want to convert to power steering
> and
> > the
> > > > > tilt
> > > > > > > would nice. I bought a Jeep power steering shaft.
> > > > > > > Overall, the column is longer than my Jeep and the shaft is
> much
> > > > > shorter
> > > > > > > than my stock. Does anybody know if I can use the Chevy tilt
> > column
> > > > and
> > > > > > > gear box in the Jeep if I have a new power steering shaft?
> > > > > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > > > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > > > > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > > > > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > > > > news:407D7D8D.9F1F0A82@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > > > > GM uses the same Saganaw steering column so you have a large
> > choice
> > > > > for
> > > > > > > > colors, tilt, etc. at the wreckers..
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Daudi wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Ah. Yes. My wrangler is a 1987. The cherokee being parted
> out
> > is
> > > > > early
> > > > > > > > > 90's I believe. I actually haven't asked because the idea
> just
> > > > > recently
> > > > > > > > > occured to me.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Wrangler's use GM steering columns?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Mike Romain wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > You need to give us some years and makes.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Apparently they changed the column from the Saganaw unit
> > every
> > > > GM
> > > > > van,
> > > > > > > > > > Camaro, Chevette and pickup uses in the mid 90's to
> > something
> > > > > else.
> > > > > > > One
> > > > > > > > > > person that doesn't usually have accurate info says it was
> > in
> > > > 94,
> > > > > but
> > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > would suspect the change was with the TJ, not in the
> middle
> > of
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > production run of the YJ's.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > The GM units are a fast easy swap. A couple bolts under
> the
> > > > dash,
> > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > couple at the firewall and one spline bolt outside the
> > firewall.
> > > > > You
> > > > > > > > > > pull and out it comes.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in
> > '00
> > > > > > > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Daudi wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >>The adjustable steering column in my wrangler is very
> loose;
> > > > > sloppy
> > > > > > > down
> > > > > > > > > >>in the pivot, the joint. I am worried that it may come
> apart
> > > > some
> > > > > day
> > > > > > > > > >>when driving.
> > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > >>I've had the steering wheel come off a car when driving
> > (long,
> > > > > long
> > > > > > > ago
> > > > > > > > > >>when we bought cars for $50) but that was easy to put back
> > on. A
> > > > > > > > > >>separated U-joint down inside the steering column seems
> like
> > it
> > > > > would
> > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > >>more difficult to arrange.
> > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > >>I can find a steering column from a parting out cherokee.
> > Are
> > > > they
> > > > > > > > > >>interchangable?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> >
> >

Mike Romain

The steering column is the part that is inside the Jeep cab. This is a
Saganaw unit like the one the GM's use.

The steering shaft is it's own part, same for the box. Likely Jeep
specific for those.

So you 'can' still have tilt steering...

Mike

Drink wrote:
>
> Just got off the line with 4WDHardware and they told me the following.
> The only difference between the power/manual steering shaft is that the
> input shaft to the box is 3/4in for the manual box and 13/16in for the
> powered box. Length is identical.
> The GM box I have has a much smaller input shaft with a peg coming out the
> end of the shaft so the Jeep shaft won't slip on regardless of shaft
> diameter. It looks as though I'll have to break down and bite the bullet to
> buy a new Jeep box. I really wanted to go with an AGR box and still might;
> having to put off the engine/tranny swap til I get a little more money.
> Anybody heard this about the shaft diameter for GM vice Jeep? Having that
> tilt wheel would've been nice.
> o_o_o_o
> Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> "Drink" <drink@gnt.net> wrote in message
> news:c63ohh$b5e$1@news.utelfla.com...
> > Good idea, Mike. Didn't even consider a simple hose clamp since there's
> > no pressure on the fluid. It's too simple. The original box is so shot
> > that a lightning fast lane change is where I'm at already. The only
> > difference is that there's so much play that it does it on it's own:(
> This
> > is just a temporary fix in the interim 'til I can get the other drivetrain
> > in and get the right pump, reservoir, etc. Is the steering gonna be
> really
> > hard like when you kill the engine with power steering or is that just the
> > drag of a non-turning pump?
> > The Saginaw box appears identical to mine but I think it's just a tad
> bit
> > extended to accommodate the hoses. I have both steering columns from the
> > Caprice and the Jeep and bought a power steering shaft to boot. If I can,
> > I'll use the tilt wheel column from the Caprice and the power steering
> shaft
> > for the Jeep to connect to the gear box. Once the drivetrain's swapped
> and
> > I know what brackets and pump I need, I'll finish by changing the steering
>
> > gear box. Maybe even a new AGR box.
> > How's this all sound? Am I tracking right? Am I missing something?
> >
> > --
> >
> > o_o_o_o
> > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:40855F2F.F0DFFE7E@sympatico.ca...
> > > What Bill is saying makes sense about mixing 'car' boxes and Jeep boxes.
> > >
> > > Someone else here has the same issue, the 'car' box is way too fast.
> > >
> > > I really don't know what you should expect mixing them up. The other
> > > poster sure doesn't like it. I now know what he was complaining about.
> > > I was thinking he has a camber issue because his steering won't track
> > > back straight after a turn. Or too short of a pinion arm, but he
> > > checked and it is the same.
> > >
> > > Now it makes more sense, the gear ratio is too tight to allow it to
> > > track back straight by itself, it has to be pulled back. He was
> > > grumbling something about ditches and front lawns and lane changes
> > > faster than you can blink.....
> > > I would run fluid in the power box if you do decide to use it, even if
> > > the power isn't there. I would just hook the output to the input with a
> > > hose clamp.
> > >
> > > I don't know what column you are playing with. The Saganaw unit that
> > > the 80's GM have is exactly the same as the one in my 86 CJ7.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > > Drink wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Mike,
> > > > I see that you're up this morning. Feel free to chime in with your
> > > > thoughts since the question's for anybody with insight.
> > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > > "Drink" <drink@gnt.net> wrote in message
> > > > news:c63ib0$6dp$1@news.utelfla.com...
> > > > > Bill,
> > > > > My manual steering box is shot and I have to replace it urgently.
> > I'm
> > > > > converting to a small block Chevy and NV4500 really soon and will
> > convert
> > > > to
> > > > > power steering but don't have the pump/brackets/hoses yet. The
> > Caprice's
> > > > > steering box appears the same, only a bit longer since it's power
> > > > steering.
> > > > > I'll get a correct box but this is all I have right now.
> > > > > Can I put in the Caprice's power steering box for now and run it
> > like a
> > > > > manual box without hurting the box or struggling without the pump's
> > > > assist?
> > > > > Any ideas on how to bypass the pump & reservoir? (I have a 2" body
> > lift
> > > > if
> > > > > that makes a difference.)
> > > > > I know steering will by fast and touchy but the manual box is just
> > > > unsafe.
> > > > > It's adjusted to the point that the nut barely has a thread to hang
> on
> > to
> > > > > and still has about 1/2 a full turn on the steering wheel of play.
> > Deep
> > > > > wheel ruts on the road make me fishtail as I steer back and forth to
> > keep
> > > > it
> > > > > under control so I stay under 45mph. When I pulled out of a parking
> > lot
> > > > the
> > > > > other day, something felt like it wanted to bind in the gear. I'm
> > > > literally
> > > > > on the verge of a "bind".
> > > > > I really appreciate any advice I can get 'cause it's my daily
> driver
> > 4
> > > > > miles to work.
> > > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > > > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > > > > news:40819860.D2EF8586@***.net...
> > > > > > Hi Jim,
> > > > > > There's a zillion old Jeeps running around with that setup.
> But
> > I'd
> > > > > > really try to keep it with the stock sized box, shafts and column,
> > it'll
> > > > > > probably save you time improvising, and a whole lot easier for the
> > next
> > > > > > owner. There's also a big difference between passenger and Jeep
> > steering
> > > > > > ratios, three turns lock to lock is about twice as fast a Jeep.
> > > > > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > > > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Drink wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I have an old tilt steering column (column shift), shaft and
> > power
> > > > > > > steering gear box from a Chevy caprice (model unknown but it
> > looked
> > > > late
> > > > > > > 80's to very early 90's). I want to convert to power steering
> and
> > the
> > > > > tilt
> > > > > > > would nice. I bought a Jeep power steering shaft.
> > > > > > > Overall, the column is longer than my Jeep and the shaft is
> much
> > > > > shorter
> > > > > > > than my stock. Does anybody know if I can use the Chevy tilt
> > column
> > > > and
> > > > > > > gear box in the Jeep if I have a new power steering shaft?
> > > > > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > > > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > > > > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > > > > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > > > > news:407D7D8D.9F1F0A82@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > > > > GM uses the same Saganaw steering column so you have a large
> > choice
> > > > > for
> > > > > > > > colors, tilt, etc. at the wreckers..
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Daudi wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Ah. Yes. My wrangler is a 1987. The cherokee being parted
> out
> > is
> > > > > early
> > > > > > > > > 90's I believe. I actually haven't asked because the idea
> just
> > > > > recently
> > > > > > > > > occured to me.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Wrangler's use GM steering columns?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Mike Romain wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > You need to give us some years and makes.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Apparently they changed the column from the Saganaw unit
> > every
> > > > GM
> > > > > van,
> > > > > > > > > > Camaro, Chevette and pickup uses in the mid 90's to
> > something
> > > > > else.
> > > > > > > One
> > > > > > > > > > person that doesn't usually have accurate info says it was
> > in
> > > > 94,
> > > > > but
> > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > would suspect the change was with the TJ, not in the
> middle
> > of
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > production run of the YJ's.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > The GM units are a fast easy swap. A couple bolts under
> the
> > > > dash,
> > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > couple at the firewall and one spline bolt outside the
> > firewall.
> > > > > You
> > > > > > > > > > pull and out it comes.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in
> > '00
> > > > > > > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Daudi wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >>The adjustable steering column in my wrangler is very
> loose;
> > > > > sloppy
> > > > > > > down
> > > > > > > > > >>in the pivot, the joint. I am worried that it may come
> apart
> > > > some
> > > > > day
> > > > > > > > > >>when driving.
> > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > >>I've had the steering wheel come off a car when driving
> > (long,
> > > > > long
> > > > > > > ago
> > > > > > > > > >>when we bought cars for $50) but that was easy to put back
> > on. A
> > > > > > > > > >>separated U-joint down inside the steering column seems
> like
> > it
> > > > > would
> > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > >>more difficult to arrange.
> > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > >>I can find a steering column from a parting out cherokee.
> > Are
> > > > they
> > > > > > > > > >>interchangable?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> >
> >

Drink

I just talked with George from George's Jeeps in Mississippi (I think).
Really good guy and very patient. Never had a problem getting through and
recommend him if you can't find a part.
Anyway, he said that the GM steering box I have has three mounting bolts
(he's right) and the Jeep box has four so it won't work. Gotta go check to
make sure. It all sounds right. I'll just have to break down (strange
choice of words:) and get the Jeep box from probably AGR. Then, when I have
the GM small block in place, I get the small block brackets and power
steering pump/reservoir. That should do just fine to power the steering
gear. The only thing I can think of are the hydraulic lines. Anybody got
any advice to make sure the hose ends are compatible? If worse comes to
worst, I can get a pair made custom here locally but would rather be able to
get an original set without having to custom make every time.
o_o_o_o
Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:4085AF33.B38D4A84@sympatico.ca...
> The steering column is the part that is inside the Jeep cab. This is a
> Saganaw unit like the one the GM's use.
>
> The steering shaft is it's own part, same for the box. Likely Jeep
> specific for those.
>
> So you 'can' still have tilt steering...
>
> Mike
>
> Drink wrote:
> >
> > Just got off the line with 4WDHardware and they told me the following.
> > The only difference between the power/manual steering shaft is that
the
> > input shaft to the box is 3/4in for the manual box and 13/16in for the
> > powered box. Length is identical.
> > The GM box I have has a much smaller input shaft with a peg coming out
the
> > end of the shaft so the Jeep shaft won't slip on regardless of shaft
> > diameter. It looks as though I'll have to break down and bite the
bullet to
> > buy a new Jeep box. I really wanted to go with an AGR box and still
might;
> > having to put off the engine/tranny swap til I get a little more money.
> > Anybody heard this about the shaft diameter for GM vice Jeep? Having
that
> > tilt wheel would've been nice.
> > o_o_o_o
> > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > "Drink" <drink@gnt.net> wrote in message
> > news:c63ohh$b5e$1@news.utelfla.com...
> > > Good idea, Mike. Didn't even consider a simple hose clamp since
there's
> > > no pressure on the fluid. It's too simple. The original box is so
shot
> > > that a lightning fast lane change is where I'm at already. The only
> > > difference is that there's so much play that it does it on it's own:(
> > This
> > > is just a temporary fix in the interim 'til I can get the other
drivetrain
> > > in and get the right pump, reservoir, etc. Is the steering gonna be
> > really
> > > hard like when you kill the engine with power steering or is that just
the
> > > drag of a non-turning pump?
> > > The Saginaw box appears identical to mine but I think it's just a
tad
> > bit
> > > extended to accommodate the hoses. I have both steering columns from
the
> > > Caprice and the Jeep and bought a power steering shaft to boot. If I
can,
> > > I'll use the tilt wheel column from the Caprice and the power steering
> > shaft
> > > for the Jeep to connect to the gear box. Once the drivetrain's
swapped
> > and
> > > I know what brackets and pump I need, I'll finish by changing the
steering
> >
> > > gear box. Maybe even a new AGR box.
> > > How's this all sound? Am I tracking right? Am I missing something?
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > o_o_o_o
> > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > news:40855F2F.F0DFFE7E@sympatico.ca...
> > > > What Bill is saying makes sense about mixing 'car' boxes and Jeep
boxes.
> > > >
> > > > Someone else here has the same issue, the 'car' box is way too fast.
> > > >
> > > > I really don't know what you should expect mixing them up. The
other
> > > > poster sure doesn't like it. I now know what he was complaining
about.
> > > > I was thinking he has a camber issue because his steering won't
track
> > > > back straight after a turn. Or too short of a pinion arm, but he
> > > > checked and it is the same.
> > > >
> > > > Now it makes more sense, the gear ratio is too tight to allow it to
> > > > track back straight by itself, it has to be pulled back. He was
> > > > grumbling something about ditches and front lawns and lane changes
> > > > faster than you can blink.....
> > > > I would run fluid in the power box if you do decide to use it, even
if
> > > > the power isn't there. I would just hook the output to the input
with a
> > > > hose clamp.
> > > >
> > > > I don't know what column you are playing with. The Saganaw unit
that
> > > > the 80's GM have is exactly the same as the one in my 86 CJ7.
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > > >
> > > > Drink wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike,
> > > > > I see that you're up this morning. Feel free to chime in with
your
> > > > > thoughts since the question's for anybody with insight.
> > > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > > > "Drink" <drink@gnt.net> wrote in message
> > > > > news:c63ib0$6dp$1@news.utelfla.com...
> > > > > > Bill,
> > > > > > My manual steering box is shot and I have to replace it
urgently.
> > > I'm
> > > > > > converting to a small block Chevy and NV4500 really soon and
will
> > > convert
> > > > > to
> > > > > > power steering but don't have the pump/brackets/hoses yet. The
> > > Caprice's
> > > > > > steering box appears the same, only a bit longer since it's
power
> > > > > steering.
> > > > > > I'll get a correct box but this is all I have right now.
> > > > > > Can I put in the Caprice's power steering box for now and run
it
> > > like a
> > > > > > manual box without hurting the box or struggling without the
pump's
> > > > > assist?
> > > > > > Any ideas on how to bypass the pump & reservoir? (I have a 2"
body
> > > lift
> > > > > if
> > > > > > that makes a difference.)
> > > > > > I know steering will by fast and touchy but the manual box is
just
> > > > > unsafe.
> > > > > > It's adjusted to the point that the nut barely has a thread to
hang
> > on
> > > to
> > > > > > and still has about 1/2 a full turn on the steering wheel of
play.
> > > Deep
> > > > > > wheel ruts on the road make me fishtail as I steer back and
forth to
> > > keep
> > > > > it
> > > > > > under control so I stay under 45mph. When I pulled out of a
parking
> > > lot
> > > > > the
> > > > > > other day, something felt like it wanted to bind in the gear.
I'm
> > > > > literally
> > > > > > on the verge of a "bind".
> > > > > > I really appreciate any advice I can get 'cause it's my daily
> > driver
> > > 4
> > > > > > miles to work.
> > > > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > > > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > > > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > > > > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:40819860.D2EF8586@***.net...
> > > > > > > Hi Jim,
> > > > > > > There's a zillion old Jeeps running around with that
setup.
> > But
> > > I'd
> > > > > > > really try to keep it with the stock sized box, shafts and
column,
> > > it'll
> > > > > > > probably save you time improvising, and a whole lot easier for
the
> > > next
> > > > > > > owner. There's also a big difference between passenger and
Jeep
> > > steering
> > > > > > > ratios, three turns lock to lock is about twice as fast a
Jeep.
> > > > > > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > > > > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Drink wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I have an old tilt steering column (column shift), shaft
and
> > > power
> > > > > > > > steering gear box from a Chevy caprice (model unknown but it
> > > looked
> > > > > late
> > > > > > > > 80's to very early 90's). I want to convert to power
steering
> > and
> > > the
> > > > > > tilt
> > > > > > > > would nice. I bought a Jeep power steering shaft.
> > > > > > > > Overall, the column is longer than my Jeep and the shaft
is
> > much
> > > > > > shorter
> > > > > > > > than my stock. Does anybody know if I can use the Chevy
tilt
> > > column
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > > gear box in the Jeep if I have a new power steering shaft?
> > > > > > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > > > > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > > > > > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > > > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > > > > > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > > > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > news:407D7D8D.9F1F0A82@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > > > > > GM uses the same Saganaw steering column so you have a
large
> > > choice
> > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > colors, tilt, etc. at the wreckers..
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Daudi wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Ah. Yes. My wrangler is a 1987. The cherokee being
parted
> > out
> > > is
> > > > > > early
> > > > > > > > > > 90's I believe. I actually haven't asked because the
idea
> > just
> > > > > > recently
> > > > > > > > > > occured to me.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Wrangler's use GM steering columns?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Mike Romain wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > You need to give us some years and makes.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Apparently they changed the column from the Saganaw
unit
> > > every
> > > > > GM
> > > > > > van,
> > > > > > > > > > > Camaro, Chevette and pickup uses in the mid 90's to
> > > something
> > > > > > else.
> > > > > > > > One
> > > > > > > > > > > person that doesn't usually have accurate info says it
was
> > > in
> > > > > 94,
> > > > > > but
> > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > > would suspect the change was with the TJ, not in the
> > middle
> > > of
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > production run of the YJ's.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > The GM units are a fast easy swap. A couple bolts
under
> > the
> > > > > dash,
> > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > > couple at the firewall and one spline bolt outside the
> > > firewall.
> > > > > > You
> > > > > > > > > > > pull and out it comes.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail
in
> > > '00
> > > > > > > > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Daudi wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >>The adjustable steering column in my wrangler is very
> > loose;
> > > > > > sloppy
> > > > > > > > down
> > > > > > > > > > >>in the pivot, the joint. I am worried that it may come
> > apart
> > > > > some
> > > > > > day
> > > > > > > > > > >>when driving.
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >>I've had the steering wheel come off a car when
driving
> > > (long,
> > > > > > long
> > > > > > > > ago
> > > > > > > > > > >>when we bought cars for $50) but that was easy to put
back
> > > on. A
> > > > > > > > > > >>separated U-joint down inside the steering column
seems
> > like
> > > it
> > > > > > would
> > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > > >>more difficult to arrange.
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >>I can find a steering column from a parting out
cherokee.
> > > Are
> > > > > they
> > > > > > > > > > >>interchangable?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > >
> > >

Drink

I just talked with George from George's Jeeps in Mississippi (I think).
Really good guy and very patient. Never had a problem getting through and
recommend him if you can't find a part.
Anyway, he said that the GM steering box I have has three mounting bolts
(he's right) and the Jeep box has four so it won't work. Gotta go check to
make sure. It all sounds right. I'll just have to break down (strange
choice of words:) and get the Jeep box from probably AGR. Then, when I have
the GM small block in place, I get the small block brackets and power
steering pump/reservoir. That should do just fine to power the steering
gear. The only thing I can think of are the hydraulic lines. Anybody got
any advice to make sure the hose ends are compatible? If worse comes to
worst, I can get a pair made custom here locally but would rather be able to
get an original set without having to custom make every time.
o_o_o_o
Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:4085AF33.B38D4A84@sympatico.ca...
> The steering column is the part that is inside the Jeep cab. This is a
> Saganaw unit like the one the GM's use.
>
> The steering shaft is it's own part, same for the box. Likely Jeep
> specific for those.
>
> So you 'can' still have tilt steering...
>
> Mike
>
> Drink wrote:
> >
> > Just got off the line with 4WDHardware and they told me the following.
> > The only difference between the power/manual steering shaft is that
the
> > input shaft to the box is 3/4in for the manual box and 13/16in for the
> > powered box. Length is identical.
> > The GM box I have has a much smaller input shaft with a peg coming out
the
> > end of the shaft so the Jeep shaft won't slip on regardless of shaft
> > diameter. It looks as though I'll have to break down and bite the
bullet to
> > buy a new Jeep box. I really wanted to go with an AGR box and still
might;
> > having to put off the engine/tranny swap til I get a little more money.
> > Anybody heard this about the shaft diameter for GM vice Jeep? Having
that
> > tilt wheel would've been nice.
> > o_o_o_o
> > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > "Drink" <drink@gnt.net> wrote in message
> > news:c63ohh$b5e$1@news.utelfla.com...
> > > Good idea, Mike. Didn't even consider a simple hose clamp since
there's
> > > no pressure on the fluid. It's too simple. The original box is so
shot
> > > that a lightning fast lane change is where I'm at already. The only
> > > difference is that there's so much play that it does it on it's own:(
> > This
> > > is just a temporary fix in the interim 'til I can get the other
drivetrain
> > > in and get the right pump, reservoir, etc. Is the steering gonna be
> > really
> > > hard like when you kill the engine with power steering or is that just
the
> > > drag of a non-turning pump?
> > > The Saginaw box appears identical to mine but I think it's just a
tad
> > bit
> > > extended to accommodate the hoses. I have both steering columns from
the
> > > Caprice and the Jeep and bought a power steering shaft to boot. If I
can,
> > > I'll use the tilt wheel column from the Caprice and the power steering
> > shaft
> > > for the Jeep to connect to the gear box. Once the drivetrain's
swapped
> > and
> > > I know what brackets and pump I need, I'll finish by changing the
steering
> >
> > > gear box. Maybe even a new AGR box.
> > > How's this all sound? Am I tracking right? Am I missing something?
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > o_o_o_o
> > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > news:40855F2F.F0DFFE7E@sympatico.ca...
> > > > What Bill is saying makes sense about mixing 'car' boxes and Jeep
boxes.
> > > >
> > > > Someone else here has the same issue, the 'car' box is way too fast.
> > > >
> > > > I really don't know what you should expect mixing them up. The
other
> > > > poster sure doesn't like it. I now know what he was complaining
about.
> > > > I was thinking he has a camber issue because his steering won't
track
> > > > back straight after a turn. Or too short of a pinion arm, but he
> > > > checked and it is the same.
> > > >
> > > > Now it makes more sense, the gear ratio is too tight to allow it to
> > > > track back straight by itself, it has to be pulled back. He was
> > > > grumbling something about ditches and front lawns and lane changes
> > > > faster than you can blink.....
> > > > I would run fluid in the power box if you do decide to use it, even
if
> > > > the power isn't there. I would just hook the output to the input
with a
> > > > hose clamp.
> > > >
> > > > I don't know what column you are playing with. The Saganaw unit
that
> > > > the 80's GM have is exactly the same as the one in my 86 CJ7.
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > > >
> > > > Drink wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike,
> > > > > I see that you're up this morning. Feel free to chime in with
your
> > > > > thoughts since the question's for anybody with insight.
> > > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > > > "Drink" <drink@gnt.net> wrote in message
> > > > > news:c63ib0$6dp$1@news.utelfla.com...
> > > > > > Bill,
> > > > > > My manual steering box is shot and I have to replace it
urgently.
> > > I'm
> > > > > > converting to a small block Chevy and NV4500 really soon and
will
> > > convert
> > > > > to
> > > > > > power steering but don't have the pump/brackets/hoses yet. The
> > > Caprice's
> > > > > > steering box appears the same, only a bit longer since it's
power
> > > > > steering.
> > > > > > I'll get a correct box but this is all I have right now.
> > > > > > Can I put in the Caprice's power steering box for now and run
it
> > > like a
> > > > > > manual box without hurting the box or struggling without the
pump's
> > > > > assist?
> > > > > > Any ideas on how to bypass the pump & reservoir? (I have a 2"
body
> > > lift
> > > > > if
> > > > > > that makes a difference.)
> > > > > > I know steering will by fast and touchy but the manual box is
just
> > > > > unsafe.
> > > > > > It's adjusted to the point that the nut barely has a thread to
hang
> > on
> > > to
> > > > > > and still has about 1/2 a full turn on the steering wheel of
play.
> > > Deep
> > > > > > wheel ruts on the road make me fishtail as I steer back and
forth to
> > > keep
> > > > > it
> > > > > > under control so I stay under 45mph. When I pulled out of a
parking
> > > lot
> > > > > the
> > > > > > other day, something felt like it wanted to bind in the gear.
I'm
> > > > > literally
> > > > > > on the verge of a "bind".
> > > > > > I really appreciate any advice I can get 'cause it's my daily
> > driver
> > > 4
> > > > > > miles to work.
> > > > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > > > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > > > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > > > > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:40819860.D2EF8586@***.net...
> > > > > > > Hi Jim,
> > > > > > > There's a zillion old Jeeps running around with that
setup.
> > But
> > > I'd
> > > > > > > really try to keep it with the stock sized box, shafts and
column,
> > > it'll
> > > > > > > probably save you time improvising, and a whole lot easier for
the
> > > next
> > > > > > > owner. There's also a big difference between passenger and
Jeep
> > > steering
> > > > > > > ratios, three turns lock to lock is about twice as fast a
Jeep.
> > > > > > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > > > > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Drink wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I have an old tilt steering column (column shift), shaft
and
> > > power
> > > > > > > > steering gear box from a Chevy caprice (model unknown but it
> > > looked
> > > > > late
> > > > > > > > 80's to very early 90's). I want to convert to power
steering
> > and
> > > the
> > > > > > tilt
> > > > > > > > would nice. I bought a Jeep power steering shaft.
> > > > > > > > Overall, the column is longer than my Jeep and the shaft
is
> > much
> > > > > > shorter
> > > > > > > > than my stock. Does anybody know if I can use the Chevy
tilt
> > > column
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > > gear box in the Jeep if I have a new power steering shaft?
> > > > > > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > > > > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > > > > > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > > > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > > > > > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > > > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > news:407D7D8D.9F1F0A82@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > > > > > GM uses the same Saganaw steering column so you have a
large
> > > choice
> > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > colors, tilt, etc. at the wreckers..
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Daudi wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Ah. Yes. My wrangler is a 1987. The cherokee being
parted
> > out
> > > is
> > > > > > early
> > > > > > > > > > 90's I believe. I actually haven't asked because the
idea
> > just
> > > > > > recently
> > > > > > > > > > occured to me.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Wrangler's use GM steering columns?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Mike Romain wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > You need to give us some years and makes.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Apparently they changed the column from the Saganaw
unit
> > > every
> > > > > GM
> > > > > > van,
> > > > > > > > > > > Camaro, Chevette and pickup uses in the mid 90's to
> > > something
> > > > > > else.
> > > > > > > > One
> > > > > > > > > > > person that doesn't usually have accurate info says it
was
> > > in
> > > > > 94,
> > > > > > but
> > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > > would suspect the change was with the TJ, not in the
> > middle
> > > of
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > production run of the YJ's.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > The GM units are a fast easy swap. A couple bolts
under
> > the
> > > > > dash,
> > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > > couple at the firewall and one spline bolt outside the
> > > firewall.
> > > > > > You
> > > > > > > > > > > pull and out it comes.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail
in
> > > '00
> > > > > > > > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Daudi wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >>The adjustable steering column in my wrangler is very
> > loose;
> > > > > > sloppy
> > > > > > > > down
> > > > > > > > > > >>in the pivot, the joint. I am worried that it may come
> > apart
> > > > > some
> > > > > > day
> > > > > > > > > > >>when driving.
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >>I've had the steering wheel come off a car when
driving
> > > (long,
> > > > > > long
> > > > > > > > ago
> > > > > > > > > > >>when we bought cars for $50) but that was easy to put
back
> > > on. A
> > > > > > > > > > >>separated U-joint down inside the steering column
seems
> > like
> > > it
> > > > > > would
> > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > > >>more difficult to arrange.
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >>I can find a steering column from a parting out
cherokee.
> > > Are
> > > > > they
> > > > > > > > > > >>interchangable?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > >
> > >

Drink

I just talked with George from George's Jeeps in Mississippi (I think).
Really good guy and very patient. Never had a problem getting through and
recommend him if you can't find a part.
Anyway, he said that the GM steering box I have has three mounting bolts
(he's right) and the Jeep box has four so it won't work. Gotta go check to
make sure. It all sounds right. I'll just have to break down (strange
choice of words:) and get the Jeep box from probably AGR. Then, when I have
the GM small block in place, I get the small block brackets and power
steering pump/reservoir. That should do just fine to power the steering
gear. The only thing I can think of are the hydraulic lines. Anybody got
any advice to make sure the hose ends are compatible? If worse comes to
worst, I can get a pair made custom here locally but would rather be able to
get an original set without having to custom make every time.
o_o_o_o
Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:4085AF33.B38D4A84@sympatico.ca...
> The steering column is the part that is inside the Jeep cab. This is a
> Saganaw unit like the one the GM's use.
>
> The steering shaft is it's own part, same for the box. Likely Jeep
> specific for those.
>
> So you 'can' still have tilt steering...
>
> Mike
>
> Drink wrote:
> >
> > Just got off the line with 4WDHardware and they told me the following.
> > The only difference between the power/manual steering shaft is that
the
> > input shaft to the box is 3/4in for the manual box and 13/16in for the
> > powered box. Length is identical.
> > The GM box I have has a much smaller input shaft with a peg coming out
the
> > end of the shaft so the Jeep shaft won't slip on regardless of shaft
> > diameter. It looks as though I'll have to break down and bite the
bullet to
> > buy a new Jeep box. I really wanted to go with an AGR box and still
might;
> > having to put off the engine/tranny swap til I get a little more money.
> > Anybody heard this about the shaft diameter for GM vice Jeep? Having
that
> > tilt wheel would've been nice.
> > o_o_o_o
> > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > "Drink" <drink@gnt.net> wrote in message
> > news:c63ohh$b5e$1@news.utelfla.com...
> > > Good idea, Mike. Didn't even consider a simple hose clamp since
there's
> > > no pressure on the fluid. It's too simple. The original box is so
shot
> > > that a lightning fast lane change is where I'm at already. The only
> > > difference is that there's so much play that it does it on it's own:(
> > This
> > > is just a temporary fix in the interim 'til I can get the other
drivetrain
> > > in and get the right pump, reservoir, etc. Is the steering gonna be
> > really
> > > hard like when you kill the engine with power steering or is that just
the
> > > drag of a non-turning pump?
> > > The Saginaw box appears identical to mine but I think it's just a
tad
> > bit
> > > extended to accommodate the hoses. I have both steering columns from
the
> > > Caprice and the Jeep and bought a power steering shaft to boot. If I
can,
> > > I'll use the tilt wheel column from the Caprice and the power steering
> > shaft
> > > for the Jeep to connect to the gear box. Once the drivetrain's
swapped
> > and
> > > I know what brackets and pump I need, I'll finish by changing the
steering
> >
> > > gear box. Maybe even a new AGR box.
> > > How's this all sound? Am I tracking right? Am I missing something?
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > o_o_o_o
> > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > news:40855F2F.F0DFFE7E@sympatico.ca...
> > > > What Bill is saying makes sense about mixing 'car' boxes and Jeep
boxes.
> > > >
> > > > Someone else here has the same issue, the 'car' box is way too fast.
> > > >
> > > > I really don't know what you should expect mixing them up. The
other
> > > > poster sure doesn't like it. I now know what he was complaining
about.
> > > > I was thinking he has a camber issue because his steering won't
track
> > > > back straight after a turn. Or too short of a pinion arm, but he
> > > > checked and it is the same.
> > > >
> > > > Now it makes more sense, the gear ratio is too tight to allow it to
> > > > track back straight by itself, it has to be pulled back. He was
> > > > grumbling something about ditches and front lawns and lane changes
> > > > faster than you can blink.....
> > > > I would run fluid in the power box if you do decide to use it, even
if
> > > > the power isn't there. I would just hook the output to the input
with a
> > > > hose clamp.
> > > >
> > > > I don't know what column you are playing with. The Saganaw unit
that
> > > > the 80's GM have is exactly the same as the one in my 86 CJ7.
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > > >
> > > > Drink wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike,
> > > > > I see that you're up this morning. Feel free to chime in with
your
> > > > > thoughts since the question's for anybody with insight.
> > > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > > > "Drink" <drink@gnt.net> wrote in message
> > > > > news:c63ib0$6dp$1@news.utelfla.com...
> > > > > > Bill,
> > > > > > My manual steering box is shot and I have to replace it
urgently.
> > > I'm
> > > > > > converting to a small block Chevy and NV4500 really soon and
will
> > > convert
> > > > > to
> > > > > > power steering but don't have the pump/brackets/hoses yet. The
> > > Caprice's
> > > > > > steering box appears the same, only a bit longer since it's
power
> > > > > steering.
> > > > > > I'll get a correct box but this is all I have right now.
> > > > > > Can I put in the Caprice's power steering box for now and run
it
> > > like a
> > > > > > manual box without hurting the box or struggling without the
pump's
> > > > > assist?
> > > > > > Any ideas on how to bypass the pump & reservoir? (I have a 2"
body
> > > lift
> > > > > if
> > > > > > that makes a difference.)
> > > > > > I know steering will by fast and touchy but the manual box is
just
> > > > > unsafe.
> > > > > > It's adjusted to the point that the nut barely has a thread to
hang
> > on
> > > to
> > > > > > and still has about 1/2 a full turn on the steering wheel of
play.
> > > Deep
> > > > > > wheel ruts on the road make me fishtail as I steer back and
forth to
> > > keep
> > > > > it
> > > > > > under control so I stay under 45mph. When I pulled out of a
parking
> > > lot
> > > > > the
> > > > > > other day, something felt like it wanted to bind in the gear.
I'm
> > > > > literally
> > > > > > on the verge of a "bind".
> > > > > > I really appreciate any advice I can get 'cause it's my daily
> > driver
> > > 4
> > > > > > miles to work.
> > > > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > > > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > > > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > > > > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:40819860.D2EF8586@***.net...
> > > > > > > Hi Jim,
> > > > > > > There's a zillion old Jeeps running around with that
setup.
> > But
> > > I'd
> > > > > > > really try to keep it with the stock sized box, shafts and
column,
> > > it'll
> > > > > > > probably save you time improvising, and a whole lot easier for
the
> > > next
> > > > > > > owner. There's also a big difference between passenger and
Jeep
> > > steering
> > > > > > > ratios, three turns lock to lock is about twice as fast a
Jeep.
> > > > > > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > > > > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Drink wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I have an old tilt steering column (column shift), shaft
and
> > > power
> > > > > > > > steering gear box from a Chevy caprice (model unknown but it
> > > looked
> > > > > late
> > > > > > > > 80's to very early 90's). I want to convert to power
steering
> > and
> > > the
> > > > > > tilt
> > > > > > > > would nice. I bought a Jeep power steering shaft.
> > > > > > > > Overall, the column is longer than my Jeep and the shaft
is
> > much
> > > > > > shorter
> > > > > > > > than my stock. Does anybody know if I can use the Chevy
tilt
> > > column
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > > gear box in the Jeep if I have a new power steering shaft?
> > > > > > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > > > > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > > > > > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > > > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > > > > > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > > > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > news:407D7D8D.9F1F0A82@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > > > > > GM uses the same Saganaw steering column so you have a
large
> > > choice
> > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > colors, tilt, etc. at the wreckers..
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Daudi wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Ah. Yes. My wrangler is a 1987. The cherokee being
parted
> > out
> > > is
> > > > > > early
> > > > > > > > > > 90's I believe. I actually haven't asked because the
idea
> > just
> > > > > > recently
> > > > > > > > > > occured to me.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Wrangler's use GM steering columns?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Mike Romain wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > You need to give us some years and makes.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Apparently they changed the column from the Saganaw
unit
> > > every
> > > > > GM
> > > > > > van,
> > > > > > > > > > > Camaro, Chevette and pickup uses in the mid 90's to
> > > something
> > > > > > else.
> > > > > > > > One
> > > > > > > > > > > person that doesn't usually have accurate info says it
was
> > > in
> > > > > 94,
> > > > > > but
> > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > > would suspect the change was with the TJ, not in the
> > middle
> > > of
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > production run of the YJ's.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > The GM units are a fast easy swap. A couple bolts
under
> > the
> > > > > dash,
> > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > > couple at the firewall and one spline bolt outside the
> > > firewall.
> > > > > > You
> > > > > > > > > > > pull and out it comes.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail
in
> > > '00
> > > > > > > > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Daudi wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >>The adjustable steering column in my wrangler is very
> > loose;
> > > > > > sloppy
> > > > > > > > down
> > > > > > > > > > >>in the pivot, the joint. I am worried that it may come
> > apart
> > > > > some
> > > > > > day
> > > > > > > > > > >>when driving.
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >>I've had the steering wheel come off a car when
driving
> > > (long,
> > > > > > long
> > > > > > > > ago
> > > > > > > > > > >>when we bought cars for $50) but that was easy to put
back
> > > on. A
> > > > > > > > > > >>separated U-joint down inside the steering column
seems
> > like
> > > it
> > > > > > would
> > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > > >>more difficult to arrange.
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >>I can find a steering column from a parting out
cherokee.
> > > Are
> > > > > they
> > > > > > > > > > >>interchangable?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > >
> > >

Drink

I just talked with George from George's Jeeps in Mississippi (I think).
Really good guy and very patient. Never had a problem getting through and
recommend him if you can't find a part.
Anyway, he said that the GM steering box I have has three mounting bolts
(he's right) and the Jeep box has four so it won't work. Gotta go check to
make sure. It all sounds right. I'll just have to break down (strange
choice of words:) and get the Jeep box from probably AGR. Then, when I have
the GM small block in place, I get the small block brackets and power
steering pump/reservoir. That should do just fine to power the steering
gear. The only thing I can think of are the hydraulic lines. Anybody got
any advice to make sure the hose ends are compatible? If worse comes to
worst, I can get a pair made custom here locally but would rather be able to
get an original set without having to custom make every time.
o_o_o_o
Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:4085AF33.B38D4A84@sympatico.ca...
> The steering column is the part that is inside the Jeep cab. This is a
> Saganaw unit like the one the GM's use.
>
> The steering shaft is it's own part, same for the box. Likely Jeep
> specific for those.
>
> So you 'can' still have tilt steering...
>
> Mike
>
> Drink wrote:
> >
> > Just got off the line with 4WDHardware and they told me the following.
> > The only difference between the power/manual steering shaft is that
the
> > input shaft to the box is 3/4in for the manual box and 13/16in for the
> > powered box. Length is identical.
> > The GM box I have has a much smaller input shaft with a peg coming out
the
> > end of the shaft so the Jeep shaft won't slip on regardless of shaft
> > diameter. It looks as though I'll have to break down and bite the
bullet to
> > buy a new Jeep box. I really wanted to go with an AGR box and still
might;
> > having to put off the engine/tranny swap til I get a little more money.
> > Anybody heard this about the shaft diameter for GM vice Jeep? Having
that
> > tilt wheel would've been nice.
> > o_o_o_o
> > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > "Drink" <drink@gnt.net> wrote in message
> > news:c63ohh$b5e$1@news.utelfla.com...
> > > Good idea, Mike. Didn't even consider a simple hose clamp since
there's
> > > no pressure on the fluid. It's too simple. The original box is so
shot
> > > that a lightning fast lane change is where I'm at already. The only
> > > difference is that there's so much play that it does it on it's own:(
> > This
> > > is just a temporary fix in the interim 'til I can get the other
drivetrain
> > > in and get the right pump, reservoir, etc. Is the steering gonna be
> > really
> > > hard like when you kill the engine with power steering or is that just
the
> > > drag of a non-turning pump?
> > > The Saginaw box appears identical to mine but I think it's just a
tad
> > bit
> > > extended to accommodate the hoses. I have both steering columns from
the
> > > Caprice and the Jeep and bought a power steering shaft to boot. If I
can,
> > > I'll use the tilt wheel column from the Caprice and the power steering
> > shaft
> > > for the Jeep to connect to the gear box. Once the drivetrain's
swapped
> > and
> > > I know what brackets and pump I need, I'll finish by changing the
steering
> >
> > > gear box. Maybe even a new AGR box.
> > > How's this all sound? Am I tracking right? Am I missing something?
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > o_o_o_o
> > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > news:40855F2F.F0DFFE7E@sympatico.ca...
> > > > What Bill is saying makes sense about mixing 'car' boxes and Jeep
boxes.
> > > >
> > > > Someone else here has the same issue, the 'car' box is way too fast.
> > > >
> > > > I really don't know what you should expect mixing them up. The
other
> > > > poster sure doesn't like it. I now know what he was complaining
about.
> > > > I was thinking he has a camber issue because his steering won't
track
> > > > back straight after a turn. Or too short of a pinion arm, but he
> > > > checked and it is the same.
> > > >
> > > > Now it makes more sense, the gear ratio is too tight to allow it to
> > > > track back straight by itself, it has to be pulled back. He was
> > > > grumbling something about ditches and front lawns and lane changes
> > > > faster than you can blink.....
> > > > I would run fluid in the power box if you do decide to use it, even
if
> > > > the power isn't there. I would just hook the output to the input
with a
> > > > hose clamp.
> > > >
> > > > I don't know what column you are playing with. The Saganaw unit
that
> > > > the 80's GM have is exactly the same as the one in my 86 CJ7.
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > > >
> > > > Drink wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike,
> > > > > I see that you're up this morning. Feel free to chime in with
your
> > > > > thoughts since the question's for anybody with insight.
> > > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > > > "Drink" <drink@gnt.net> wrote in message
> > > > > news:c63ib0$6dp$1@news.utelfla.com...
> > > > > > Bill,
> > > > > > My manual steering box is shot and I have to replace it
urgently.
> > > I'm
> > > > > > converting to a small block Chevy and NV4500 really soon and
will
> > > convert
> > > > > to
> > > > > > power steering but don't have the pump/brackets/hoses yet. The
> > > Caprice's
> > > > > > steering box appears the same, only a bit longer since it's
power
> > > > > steering.
> > > > > > I'll get a correct box but this is all I have right now.
> > > > > > Can I put in the Caprice's power steering box for now and run
it
> > > like a
> > > > > > manual box without hurting the box or struggling without the
pump's
> > > > > assist?
> > > > > > Any ideas on how to bypass the pump & reservoir? (I have a 2"
body
> > > lift
> > > > > if
> > > > > > that makes a difference.)
> > > > > > I know steering will by fast and touchy but the manual box is
just
> > > > > unsafe.
> > > > > > It's adjusted to the point that the nut barely has a thread to
hang
> > on
> > > to
> > > > > > and still has about 1/2 a full turn on the steering wheel of
play.
> > > Deep
> > > > > > wheel ruts on the road make me fishtail as I steer back and
forth to
> > > keep
> > > > > it
> > > > > > under control so I stay under 45mph. When I pulled out of a
parking
> > > lot
> > > > > the
> > > > > > other day, something felt like it wanted to bind in the gear.
I'm
> > > > > literally
> > > > > > on the verge of a "bind".
> > > > > > I really appreciate any advice I can get 'cause it's my daily
> > driver
> > > 4
> > > > > > miles to work.
> > > > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > > > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > > > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > > > > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:40819860.D2EF8586@***.net...
> > > > > > > Hi Jim,
> > > > > > > There's a zillion old Jeeps running around with that
setup.
> > But
> > > I'd
> > > > > > > really try to keep it with the stock sized box, shafts and
column,
> > > it'll
> > > > > > > probably save you time improvising, and a whole lot easier for
the
> > > next
> > > > > > > owner. There's also a big difference between passenger and
Jeep
> > > steering
> > > > > > > ratios, three turns lock to lock is about twice as fast a
Jeep.
> > > > > > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > > > > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Drink wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I have an old tilt steering column (column shift), shaft
and
> > > power
> > > > > > > > steering gear box from a Chevy caprice (model unknown but it
> > > looked
> > > > > late
> > > > > > > > 80's to very early 90's). I want to convert to power
steering
> > and
> > > the
> > > > > > tilt
> > > > > > > > would nice. I bought a Jeep power steering shaft.
> > > > > > > > Overall, the column is longer than my Jeep and the shaft
is
> > much
> > > > > > shorter
> > > > > > > > than my stock. Does anybody know if I can use the Chevy
tilt
> > > column
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > > gear box in the Jeep if I have a new power steering shaft?
> > > > > > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > > > > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > > > > > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > > > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > > > > > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > > > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > news:407D7D8D.9F1F0A82@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > > > > > GM uses the same Saganaw steering column so you have a
large
> > > choice
> > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > colors, tilt, etc. at the wreckers..
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Daudi wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Ah. Yes. My wrangler is a 1987. The cherokee being
parted
> > out
> > > is
> > > > > > early
> > > > > > > > > > 90's I believe. I actually haven't asked because the
idea
> > just
> > > > > > recently
> > > > > > > > > > occured to me.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Wrangler's use GM steering columns?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Mike Romain wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > You need to give us some years and makes.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Apparently they changed the column from the Saganaw
unit
> > > every
> > > > > GM
> > > > > > van,
> > > > > > > > > > > Camaro, Chevette and pickup uses in the mid 90's to
> > > something
> > > > > > else.
> > > > > > > > One
> > > > > > > > > > > person that doesn't usually have accurate info says it
was
> > > in
> > > > > 94,
> > > > > > but
> > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > > would suspect the change was with the TJ, not in the
> > middle
> > > of
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > production run of the YJ's.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > The GM units are a fast easy swap. A couple bolts
under
> > the
> > > > > dash,
> > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > > couple at the firewall and one spline bolt outside the
> > > firewall.
> > > > > > You
> > > > > > > > > > > pull and out it comes.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail
in
> > > '00
> > > > > > > > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Daudi wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >>The adjustable steering column in my wrangler is very
> > loose;
> > > > > > sloppy
> > > > > > > > down
> > > > > > > > > > >>in the pivot, the joint. I am worried that it may come
> > apart
> > > > > some
> > > > > > day
> > > > > > > > > > >>when driving.
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >>I've had the steering wheel come off a car when
driving
> > > (long,
> > > > > > long
> > > > > > > > ago
> > > > > > > > > > >>when we bought cars for $50) but that was easy to put
back
> > > on. A
> > > > > > > > > > >>separated U-joint down inside the steering column
seems
> > like
> > > it
> > > > > > would
> > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > > >>more difficult to arrange.
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >>I can find a steering column from a parting out
cherokee.
> > > Are
> > > > > they
> > > > > > > > > > >>interchangable?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > >
> > >

Mike Romain

I think the pump is the same one. It sure looks the same.... The pump
just has one hydraulic line, the other is just low pressure with hose
clamps.

I guess I would likely take the pump with me to the store to make sure
before buying the line. Even if you went custom, it isn't a part that
wears out often. My 86 one is still hanging in there....

Mike

Drink wrote:
>
> I just talked with George from George's Jeeps in Mississippi (I think).
> Really good guy and very patient. Never had a problem getting through and
> recommend him if you can't find a part.
> Anyway, he said that the GM steering box I have has three mounting bolts
> (he's right) and the Jeep box has four so it won't work. Gotta go check to
> make sure. It all sounds right. I'll just have to break down (strange
> choice of words:) and get the Jeep box from probably AGR. Then, when I have
> the GM small block in place, I get the small block brackets and power
> steering pump/reservoir. That should do just fine to power the steering
> gear. The only thing I can think of are the hydraulic lines. Anybody got
> any advice to make sure the hose ends are compatible? If worse comes to
> worst, I can get a pair made custom here locally but would rather be able to
> get an original set without having to custom make every time.
> o_o_o_o
> Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:4085AF33.B38D4A84@sympatico.ca...
> > The steering column is the part that is inside the Jeep cab. This is a
> > Saganaw unit like the one the GM's use.
> >
> > The steering shaft is it's own part, same for the box. Likely Jeep
> > specific for those.
> >
> > So you 'can' still have tilt steering...
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Drink wrote:
> > >
> > > Just got off the line with 4WDHardware and they told me the following.
> > > The only difference between the power/manual steering shaft is that
> the
> > > input shaft to the box is 3/4in for the manual box and 13/16in for the
> > > powered box. Length is identical.
> > > The GM box I have has a much smaller input shaft with a peg coming out
> the
> > > end of the shaft so the Jeep shaft won't slip on regardless of shaft
> > > diameter. It looks as though I'll have to break down and bite the
> bullet to
> > > buy a new Jeep box. I really wanted to go with an AGR box and still
> might;
> > > having to put off the engine/tranny swap til I get a little more money.
> > > Anybody heard this about the shaft diameter for GM vice Jeep? Having
> that
> > > tilt wheel would've been nice.
> > > o_o_o_o
> > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > "Drink" <drink@gnt.net> wrote in message
> > > news:c63ohh$b5e$1@news.utelfla.com...
> > > > Good idea, Mike. Didn't even consider a simple hose clamp since
> there's
> > > > no pressure on the fluid. It's too simple. The original box is so
> shot
> > > > that a lightning fast lane change is where I'm at already. The only
> > > > difference is that there's so much play that it does it on it's own:(
> > > This
> > > > is just a temporary fix in the interim 'til I can get the other
> drivetrain
> > > > in and get the right pump, reservoir, etc. Is the steering gonna be
> > > really
> > > > hard like when you kill the engine with power steering or is that just
> the
> > > > drag of a non-turning pump?
> > > > The Saginaw box appears identical to mine but I think it's just a
> tad
> > > bit
> > > > extended to accommodate the hoses. I have both steering columns from
> the
> > > > Caprice and the Jeep and bought a power steering shaft to boot. If I
> can,
> > > > I'll use the tilt wheel column from the Caprice and the power steering
> > > shaft
> > > > for the Jeep to connect to the gear box. Once the drivetrain's
> swapped
> > > and
> > > > I know what brackets and pump I need, I'll finish by changing the
> steering
> > >
> > > > gear box. Maybe even a new AGR box.
> > > > How's this all sound? Am I tracking right? Am I missing something?
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > news:40855F2F.F0DFFE7E@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > What Bill is saying makes sense about mixing 'car' boxes and Jeep
> boxes.
> > > > >
> > > > > Someone else here has the same issue, the 'car' box is way too fast.
> > > > >
> > > > > I really don't know what you should expect mixing them up. The
> other
> > > > > poster sure doesn't like it. I now know what he was complaining
> about.
> > > > > I was thinking he has a camber issue because his steering won't
> track
> > > > > back straight after a turn. Or too short of a pinion arm, but he
> > > > > checked and it is the same.
> > > > >
> > > > > Now it makes more sense, the gear ratio is too tight to allow it to
> > > > > track back straight by itself, it has to be pulled back. He was
> > > > > grumbling something about ditches and front lawns and lane changes
> > > > > faster than you can blink.....
> > > > > I would run fluid in the power box if you do decide to use it, even
> if
> > > > > the power isn't there. I would just hook the output to the input
> with a
> > > > > hose clamp.
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't know what column you are playing with. The Saganaw unit
> that
> > > > > the 80's GM have is exactly the same as the one in my 86 CJ7.
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike
> > > > >
> > > > > Drink wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mike,
> > > > > > I see that you're up this morning. Feel free to chime in with
> your
> > > > > > thoughts since the question's for anybody with insight.
> > > > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > > > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > > > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > > > > "Drink" <drink@gnt.net> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:c63ib0$6dp$1@news.utelfla.com...
> > > > > > > Bill,
> > > > > > > My manual steering box is shot and I have to replace it
> urgently.
> > > > I'm
> > > > > > > converting to a small block Chevy and NV4500 really soon and
> will
> > > > convert
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > power steering but don't have the pump/brackets/hoses yet. The
> > > > Caprice's
> > > > > > > steering box appears the same, only a bit longer since it's
> power
> > > > > > steering.
> > > > > > > I'll get a correct box but this is all I have right now.
> > > > > > > Can I put in the Caprice's power steering box for now and run
> it
> > > > like a
> > > > > > > manual box without hurting the box or struggling without the
> pump's
> > > > > > assist?
> > > > > > > Any ideas on how to bypass the pump & reservoir? (I have a 2"
> body
> > > > lift
> > > > > > if
> > > > > > > that makes a difference.)
> > > > > > > I know steering will by fast and touchy but the manual box is
> just
> > > > > > unsafe.
> > > > > > > It's adjusted to the point that the nut barely has a thread to
> hang
> > > on
> > > > to
> > > > > > > and still has about 1/2 a full turn on the steering wheel of
> play.
> > > > Deep
> > > > > > > wheel ruts on the road make me fishtail as I steer back and
> forth to
> > > > keep
> > > > > > it
> > > > > > > under control so I stay under 45mph. When I pulled out of a
> parking
> > > > lot
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > other day, something felt like it wanted to bind in the gear.
> I'm
> > > > > > literally
> > > > > > > on the verge of a "bind".
> > > > > > > I really appreciate any advice I can get 'cause it's my daily
> > > driver
> > > > 4
> > > > > > > miles to work.
> > > > > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > > > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > > > > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > > > > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > > > > > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > > > > > > news:40819860.D2EF8586@***.net...
> > > > > > > > Hi Jim,
> > > > > > > > There's a zillion old Jeeps running around with that
> setup.
> > > But
> > > > I'd
> > > > > > > > really try to keep it with the stock sized box, shafts and
> column,
> > > > it'll
> > > > > > > > probably save you time improvising, and a whole lot easier for
> the
> > > > next
> > > > > > > > owner. There's also a big difference between passenger and
> Jeep
> > > > steering
> > > > > > > > ratios, three turns lock to lock is about twice as fast a
> Jeep.
> > > > > > > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > > > > > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Drink wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I have an old tilt steering column (column shift), shaft
> and
> > > > power
> > > > > > > > > steering gear box from a Chevy caprice (model unknown but it
> > > > looked
> > > > > > late
> > > > > > > > > 80's to very early 90's). I want to convert to power
> steering
> > > and
> > > > the
> > > > > > > tilt
> > > > > > > > > would nice. I bought a Jeep power steering shaft.
> > > > > > > > > Overall, the column is longer than my Jeep and the shaft
> is
> > > much
> > > > > > > shorter
> > > > > > > > > than my stock. Does anybody know if I can use the Chevy
> tilt
> > > > column
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > gear box in the Jeep if I have a new power steering shaft?
> > > > > > > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > > > > > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > > > > > > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > > > > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > > > > > > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > > > > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > > news:407D7D8D.9F1F0A82@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > > > > > > GM uses the same Saganaw steering column so you have a
> large
> > > > choice
> > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > colors, tilt, etc. at the wreckers..
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Daudi wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Ah. Yes. My wrangler is a 1987. The cherokee being
> parted
> > > out
> > > > is
> > > > > > > early
> > > > > > > > > > > 90's I believe. I actually haven't asked because the
> idea
> > > just
> > > > > > > recently
> > > > > > > > > > > occured to me.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Wrangler's use GM steering columns?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Mike Romain wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > You need to give us some years and makes.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Apparently they changed the column from the Saganaw
> unit
> > > > every
> > > > > > GM
> > > > > > > van,
> > > > > > > > > > > > Camaro, Chevette and pickup uses in the mid 90's to
> > > > something
> > > > > > > else.
> > > > > > > > > One
> > > > > > > > > > > > person that doesn't usually have accurate info says it
> was
> > > > in
> > > > > > 94,
> > > > > > > but
> > > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > > > would suspect the change was with the TJ, not in the
> > > middle
> > > > of
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > production run of the YJ's.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > The GM units are a fast easy swap. A couple bolts
> under
> > > the
> > > > > > dash,
> > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > > > couple at the firewall and one spline bolt outside the
> > > > firewall.
> > > > > > > You
> > > > > > > > > > > > pull and out it comes.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > > > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail
> in
> > > > '00
> > > > > > > > > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Daudi wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >>The adjustable steering column in my wrangler is very
> > > loose;
> > > > > > > sloppy
> > > > > > > > > down
> > > > > > > > > > > >>in the pivot, the joint. I am worried that it may come
> > > apart
> > > > > > some
> > > > > > > day
> > > > > > > > > > > >>when driving.
> > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > >>I've had the steering wheel come off a car when
> driving
> > > > (long,
> > > > > > > long
> > > > > > > > > ago
> > > > > > > > > > > >>when we bought cars for $50) but that was easy to put
> back
> > > > on. A
> > > > > > > > > > > >>separated U-joint down inside the steering column
> seems
> > > like
> > > > it
> > > > > > > would
> > > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > > > >>more difficult to arrange.
> > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > >>I can find a steering column from a parting out
> cherokee.
> > > > Are
> > > > > > they
> > > > > > > > > > > >>interchangable?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > >
> > > >