steering columns- cherokee to wrangler?
04-20-2004, 12:15 PM
#41
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Re: steering columns- cherokee to wrangler?
Bill,
My manual steering box is shot and I have to replace it urgently. I'm
converting to a small block Chevy and NV4500 really soon and will convert to
power steering but don't have the pump/brackets/hoses yet. The Caprice's
steering box appears the same, only a bit longer since it's power steering.
I'll get a correct box but this is all I have right now.
Can I put in the Caprice's power steering box for now and run it like a
manual box without hurting the box or struggling without the pump's assist?
Any ideas on how to bypass the pump & reservoir? (I have a 2" body lift if
that makes a difference.)
I know steering will by fast and touchy but the manual box is just unsafe.
It's adjusted to the point that the nut barely has a thread to hang on to
and still has about 1/2 a full turn on the steering wheel of play. Deep
wheel ruts on the road make me fishtail as I steer back and forth to keep it
under control so I stay under 45mph. When I pulled out of a parking lot the
other day, something felt like it wanted to bind in the gear. I'm literally
on the verge of a "bind".
I really appreciate any advice I can get 'cause it's my daily driver 4
miles to work.
o_o_o_o
Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:40819860.D2EF8586@***.net...
> Hi Jim,
> There's a zillion old Jeeps running around with that setup. But I'd
> really try to keep it with the stock sized box, shafts and column, it'll
> probably save you time improvising, and a whole lot easier for the next
> owner. There's also a big difference between passenger and Jeep steering
> ratios, three turns lock to lock is about twice as fast a Jeep.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Drink wrote:
> >
> > I have an old tilt steering column (column shift), shaft and power
> > steering gear box from a Chevy caprice (model unknown but it looked late
> > 80's to very early 90's). I want to convert to power steering and the
tilt
> > would nice. I bought a Jeep power steering shaft.
> > Overall, the column is longer than my Jeep and the shaft is much
shorter
> > than my stock. Does anybody know if I can use the Chevy tilt column and
> > gear box in the Jeep if I have a new power steering shaft?
> > o_o_o_o
> > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:407D7D8D.9F1F0A82@sympatico.ca...
> > > GM uses the same Saganaw steering column so you have a large choice
for
> > > colors, tilt, etc. at the wreckers..
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > >
> > > Daudi wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Ah. Yes. My wrangler is a 1987. The cherokee being parted out is
early
> > > > 90's I believe. I actually haven't asked because the idea just
recently
> > > > occured to me.
> > > >
> > > > Wrangler's use GM steering columns?
> > > >
> > > > Mike Romain wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > You need to give us some years and makes.
> > > > >
> > > > > Apparently they changed the column from the Saganaw unit every GM
van,
> > > > > Camaro, Chevette and pickup uses in the mid 90's to something
else.
> > One
> > > > > person that doesn't usually have accurate info says it was in 94,
but
> > I
> > > > > would suspect the change was with the TJ, not in the middle of the
> > > > > production run of the YJ's.
> > > > >
> > > > > The GM units are a fast easy swap. A couple bolts under the dash,
a
> > > > > couple at the firewall and one spline bolt outside the firewall.
You
> > > > > pull and out it comes.
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike
> > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > >
> > > > > Daudi wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >>The adjustable steering column in my wrangler is very loose;
sloppy
> > down
> > > > >>in the pivot, the joint. I am worried that it may come apart some
day
> > > > >>when driving.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>I've had the steering wheel come off a car when driving (long,
long
> > ago
> > > > >>when we bought cars for $50) but that was easy to put back on. A
> > > > >>separated U-joint down inside the steering column seems like it
would
> > be
> > > > >>more difficult to arrange.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>I can find a steering column from a parting out cherokee. Are they
> > > > >>interchangable?
My manual steering box is shot and I have to replace it urgently. I'm
converting to a small block Chevy and NV4500 really soon and will convert to
power steering but don't have the pump/brackets/hoses yet. The Caprice's
steering box appears the same, only a bit longer since it's power steering.
I'll get a correct box but this is all I have right now.
Can I put in the Caprice's power steering box for now and run it like a
manual box without hurting the box or struggling without the pump's assist?
Any ideas on how to bypass the pump & reservoir? (I have a 2" body lift if
that makes a difference.)
I know steering will by fast and touchy but the manual box is just unsafe.
It's adjusted to the point that the nut barely has a thread to hang on to
and still has about 1/2 a full turn on the steering wheel of play. Deep
wheel ruts on the road make me fishtail as I steer back and forth to keep it
under control so I stay under 45mph. When I pulled out of a parking lot the
other day, something felt like it wanted to bind in the gear. I'm literally
on the verge of a "bind".
I really appreciate any advice I can get 'cause it's my daily driver 4
miles to work.
o_o_o_o
Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:40819860.D2EF8586@***.net...
> Hi Jim,
> There's a zillion old Jeeps running around with that setup. But I'd
> really try to keep it with the stock sized box, shafts and column, it'll
> probably save you time improvising, and a whole lot easier for the next
> owner. There's also a big difference between passenger and Jeep steering
> ratios, three turns lock to lock is about twice as fast a Jeep.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Drink wrote:
> >
> > I have an old tilt steering column (column shift), shaft and power
> > steering gear box from a Chevy caprice (model unknown but it looked late
> > 80's to very early 90's). I want to convert to power steering and the
tilt
> > would nice. I bought a Jeep power steering shaft.
> > Overall, the column is longer than my Jeep and the shaft is much
shorter
> > than my stock. Does anybody know if I can use the Chevy tilt column and
> > gear box in the Jeep if I have a new power steering shaft?
> > o_o_o_o
> > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:407D7D8D.9F1F0A82@sympatico.ca...
> > > GM uses the same Saganaw steering column so you have a large choice
for
> > > colors, tilt, etc. at the wreckers..
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > >
> > > Daudi wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Ah. Yes. My wrangler is a 1987. The cherokee being parted out is
early
> > > > 90's I believe. I actually haven't asked because the idea just
recently
> > > > occured to me.
> > > >
> > > > Wrangler's use GM steering columns?
> > > >
> > > > Mike Romain wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > You need to give us some years and makes.
> > > > >
> > > > > Apparently they changed the column from the Saganaw unit every GM
van,
> > > > > Camaro, Chevette and pickup uses in the mid 90's to something
else.
> > One
> > > > > person that doesn't usually have accurate info says it was in 94,
but
> > I
> > > > > would suspect the change was with the TJ, not in the middle of the
> > > > > production run of the YJ's.
> > > > >
> > > > > The GM units are a fast easy swap. A couple bolts under the dash,
a
> > > > > couple at the firewall and one spline bolt outside the firewall.
You
> > > > > pull and out it comes.
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike
> > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > >
> > > > > Daudi wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >>The adjustable steering column in my wrangler is very loose;
sloppy
> > down
> > > > >>in the pivot, the joint. I am worried that it may come apart some
day
> > > > >>when driving.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>I've had the steering wheel come off a car when driving (long,
long
> > ago
> > > > >>when we bought cars for $50) but that was easy to put back on. A
> > > > >>separated U-joint down inside the steering column seems like it
would
> > be
> > > > >>more difficult to arrange.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>I can find a steering column from a parting out cherokee. Are they
> > > > >>interchangable?
04-20-2004, 01:08 PM
#42
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Re: steering columns- cherokee to wrangler?
Mike,
I see that you're up this morning. Feel free to chime in with your
thoughts since the question's for anybody with insight.
o_o_o_o
Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
"Drink" <drink@gnt.net> wrote in message
news:c63ib0$6dp$1@news.utelfla.com...
> Bill,
> My manual steering box is shot and I have to replace it urgently. I'm
> converting to a small block Chevy and NV4500 really soon and will convert
to
> power steering but don't have the pump/brackets/hoses yet. The Caprice's
> steering box appears the same, only a bit longer since it's power
steering.
> I'll get a correct box but this is all I have right now.
> Can I put in the Caprice's power steering box for now and run it like a
> manual box without hurting the box or struggling without the pump's
assist?
> Any ideas on how to bypass the pump & reservoir? (I have a 2" body lift
if
> that makes a difference.)
> I know steering will by fast and touchy but the manual box is just
unsafe.
> It's adjusted to the point that the nut barely has a thread to hang on to
> and still has about 1/2 a full turn on the steering wheel of play. Deep
> wheel ruts on the road make me fishtail as I steer back and forth to keep
it
> under control so I stay under 45mph. When I pulled out of a parking lot
the
> other day, something felt like it wanted to bind in the gear. I'm
literally
> on the verge of a "bind".
> I really appreciate any advice I can get 'cause it's my daily driver 4
> miles to work.
> o_o_o_o
> Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:40819860.D2EF8586@***.net...
> > Hi Jim,
> > There's a zillion old Jeeps running around with that setup. But I'd
> > really try to keep it with the stock sized box, shafts and column, it'll
> > probably save you time improvising, and a whole lot easier for the next
> > owner. There's also a big difference between passenger and Jeep steering
> > ratios, three turns lock to lock is about twice as fast a Jeep.
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Drink wrote:
> > >
> > > I have an old tilt steering column (column shift), shaft and power
> > > steering gear box from a Chevy caprice (model unknown but it looked
late
> > > 80's to very early 90's). I want to convert to power steering and the
> tilt
> > > would nice. I bought a Jeep power steering shaft.
> > > Overall, the column is longer than my Jeep and the shaft is much
> shorter
> > > than my stock. Does anybody know if I can use the Chevy tilt column
and
> > > gear box in the Jeep if I have a new power steering shaft?
> > > o_o_o_o
> > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > news:407D7D8D.9F1F0A82@sympatico.ca...
> > > > GM uses the same Saganaw steering column so you have a large choice
> for
> > > > colors, tilt, etc. at the wreckers..
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Daudi wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Ah. Yes. My wrangler is a 1987. The cherokee being parted out is
> early
> > > > > 90's I believe. I actually haven't asked because the idea just
> recently
> > > > > occured to me.
> > > > >
> > > > > Wrangler's use GM steering columns?
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike Romain wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > You need to give us some years and makes.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Apparently they changed the column from the Saganaw unit every
GM
> van,
> > > > > > Camaro, Chevette and pickup uses in the mid 90's to something
> else.
> > > One
> > > > > > person that doesn't usually have accurate info says it was in
94,
> but
> > > I
> > > > > > would suspect the change was with the TJ, not in the middle of
the
> > > > > > production run of the YJ's.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The GM units are a fast easy swap. A couple bolts under the
dash,
> a
> > > > > > couple at the firewall and one spline bolt outside the firewall.
> You
> > > > > > pull and out it comes.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Daudi wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >>The adjustable steering column in my wrangler is very loose;
> sloppy
> > > down
> > > > > >>in the pivot, the joint. I am worried that it may come apart
some
> day
> > > > > >>when driving.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>I've had the steering wheel come off a car when driving (long,
> long
> > > ago
> > > > > >>when we bought cars for $50) but that was easy to put back on. A
> > > > > >>separated U-joint down inside the steering column seems like it
> would
> > > be
> > > > > >>more difficult to arrange.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>I can find a steering column from a parting out cherokee. Are
they
> > > > > >>interchangable?
>
>
I see that you're up this morning. Feel free to chime in with your
thoughts since the question's for anybody with insight.
o_o_o_o
Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
"Drink" <drink@gnt.net> wrote in message
news:c63ib0$6dp$1@news.utelfla.com...
> Bill,
> My manual steering box is shot and I have to replace it urgently. I'm
> converting to a small block Chevy and NV4500 really soon and will convert
to
> power steering but don't have the pump/brackets/hoses yet. The Caprice's
> steering box appears the same, only a bit longer since it's power
steering.
> I'll get a correct box but this is all I have right now.
> Can I put in the Caprice's power steering box for now and run it like a
> manual box without hurting the box or struggling without the pump's
assist?
> Any ideas on how to bypass the pump & reservoir? (I have a 2" body lift
if
> that makes a difference.)
> I know steering will by fast and touchy but the manual box is just
unsafe.
> It's adjusted to the point that the nut barely has a thread to hang on to
> and still has about 1/2 a full turn on the steering wheel of play. Deep
> wheel ruts on the road make me fishtail as I steer back and forth to keep
it
> under control so I stay under 45mph. When I pulled out of a parking lot
the
> other day, something felt like it wanted to bind in the gear. I'm
literally
> on the verge of a "bind".
> I really appreciate any advice I can get 'cause it's my daily driver 4
> miles to work.
> o_o_o_o
> Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:40819860.D2EF8586@***.net...
> > Hi Jim,
> > There's a zillion old Jeeps running around with that setup. But I'd
> > really try to keep it with the stock sized box, shafts and column, it'll
> > probably save you time improvising, and a whole lot easier for the next
> > owner. There's also a big difference between passenger and Jeep steering
> > ratios, three turns lock to lock is about twice as fast a Jeep.
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Drink wrote:
> > >
> > > I have an old tilt steering column (column shift), shaft and power
> > > steering gear box from a Chevy caprice (model unknown but it looked
late
> > > 80's to very early 90's). I want to convert to power steering and the
> tilt
> > > would nice. I bought a Jeep power steering shaft.
> > > Overall, the column is longer than my Jeep and the shaft is much
> shorter
> > > than my stock. Does anybody know if I can use the Chevy tilt column
and
> > > gear box in the Jeep if I have a new power steering shaft?
> > > o_o_o_o
> > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > news:407D7D8D.9F1F0A82@sympatico.ca...
> > > > GM uses the same Saganaw steering column so you have a large choice
> for
> > > > colors, tilt, etc. at the wreckers..
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Daudi wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Ah. Yes. My wrangler is a 1987. The cherokee being parted out is
> early
> > > > > 90's I believe. I actually haven't asked because the idea just
> recently
> > > > > occured to me.
> > > > >
> > > > > Wrangler's use GM steering columns?
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike Romain wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > You need to give us some years and makes.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Apparently they changed the column from the Saganaw unit every
GM
> van,
> > > > > > Camaro, Chevette and pickup uses in the mid 90's to something
> else.
> > > One
> > > > > > person that doesn't usually have accurate info says it was in
94,
> but
> > > I
> > > > > > would suspect the change was with the TJ, not in the middle of
the
> > > > > > production run of the YJ's.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The GM units are a fast easy swap. A couple bolts under the
dash,
> a
> > > > > > couple at the firewall and one spline bolt outside the firewall.
> You
> > > > > > pull and out it comes.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Daudi wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >>The adjustable steering column in my wrangler is very loose;
> sloppy
> > > down
> > > > > >>in the pivot, the joint. I am worried that it may come apart
some
> day
> > > > > >>when driving.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>I've had the steering wheel come off a car when driving (long,
> long
> > > ago
> > > > > >>when we bought cars for $50) but that was easy to put back on. A
> > > > > >>separated U-joint down inside the steering column seems like it
> would
> > > be
> > > > > >>more difficult to arrange.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>I can find a steering column from a parting out cherokee. Are
they
> > > > > >>interchangable?
>
>
04-20-2004, 01:08 PM
#43
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: steering columns- cherokee to wrangler?
Mike,
I see that you're up this morning. Feel free to chime in with your
thoughts since the question's for anybody with insight.
o_o_o_o
Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
"Drink" <drink@gnt.net> wrote in message
news:c63ib0$6dp$1@news.utelfla.com...
> Bill,
> My manual steering box is shot and I have to replace it urgently. I'm
> converting to a small block Chevy and NV4500 really soon and will convert
to
> power steering but don't have the pump/brackets/hoses yet. The Caprice's
> steering box appears the same, only a bit longer since it's power
steering.
> I'll get a correct box but this is all I have right now.
> Can I put in the Caprice's power steering box for now and run it like a
> manual box without hurting the box or struggling without the pump's
assist?
> Any ideas on how to bypass the pump & reservoir? (I have a 2" body lift
if
> that makes a difference.)
> I know steering will by fast and touchy but the manual box is just
unsafe.
> It's adjusted to the point that the nut barely has a thread to hang on to
> and still has about 1/2 a full turn on the steering wheel of play. Deep
> wheel ruts on the road make me fishtail as I steer back and forth to keep
it
> under control so I stay under 45mph. When I pulled out of a parking lot
the
> other day, something felt like it wanted to bind in the gear. I'm
literally
> on the verge of a "bind".
> I really appreciate any advice I can get 'cause it's my daily driver 4
> miles to work.
> o_o_o_o
> Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:40819860.D2EF8586@***.net...
> > Hi Jim,
> > There's a zillion old Jeeps running around with that setup. But I'd
> > really try to keep it with the stock sized box, shafts and column, it'll
> > probably save you time improvising, and a whole lot easier for the next
> > owner. There's also a big difference between passenger and Jeep steering
> > ratios, three turns lock to lock is about twice as fast a Jeep.
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Drink wrote:
> > >
> > > I have an old tilt steering column (column shift), shaft and power
> > > steering gear box from a Chevy caprice (model unknown but it looked
late
> > > 80's to very early 90's). I want to convert to power steering and the
> tilt
> > > would nice. I bought a Jeep power steering shaft.
> > > Overall, the column is longer than my Jeep and the shaft is much
> shorter
> > > than my stock. Does anybody know if I can use the Chevy tilt column
and
> > > gear box in the Jeep if I have a new power steering shaft?
> > > o_o_o_o
> > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > news:407D7D8D.9F1F0A82@sympatico.ca...
> > > > GM uses the same Saganaw steering column so you have a large choice
> for
> > > > colors, tilt, etc. at the wreckers..
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Daudi wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Ah. Yes. My wrangler is a 1987. The cherokee being parted out is
> early
> > > > > 90's I believe. I actually haven't asked because the idea just
> recently
> > > > > occured to me.
> > > > >
> > > > > Wrangler's use GM steering columns?
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike Romain wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > You need to give us some years and makes.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Apparently they changed the column from the Saganaw unit every
GM
> van,
> > > > > > Camaro, Chevette and pickup uses in the mid 90's to something
> else.
> > > One
> > > > > > person that doesn't usually have accurate info says it was in
94,
> but
> > > I
> > > > > > would suspect the change was with the TJ, not in the middle of
the
> > > > > > production run of the YJ's.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The GM units are a fast easy swap. A couple bolts under the
dash,
> a
> > > > > > couple at the firewall and one spline bolt outside the firewall.
> You
> > > > > > pull and out it comes.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Daudi wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >>The adjustable steering column in my wrangler is very loose;
> sloppy
> > > down
> > > > > >>in the pivot, the joint. I am worried that it may come apart
some
> day
> > > > > >>when driving.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>I've had the steering wheel come off a car when driving (long,
> long
> > > ago
> > > > > >>when we bought cars for $50) but that was easy to put back on. A
> > > > > >>separated U-joint down inside the steering column seems like it
> would
> > > be
> > > > > >>more difficult to arrange.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>I can find a steering column from a parting out cherokee. Are
they
> > > > > >>interchangable?
>
>
I see that you're up this morning. Feel free to chime in with your
thoughts since the question's for anybody with insight.
o_o_o_o
Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
"Drink" <drink@gnt.net> wrote in message
news:c63ib0$6dp$1@news.utelfla.com...
> Bill,
> My manual steering box is shot and I have to replace it urgently. I'm
> converting to a small block Chevy and NV4500 really soon and will convert
to
> power steering but don't have the pump/brackets/hoses yet. The Caprice's
> steering box appears the same, only a bit longer since it's power
steering.
> I'll get a correct box but this is all I have right now.
> Can I put in the Caprice's power steering box for now and run it like a
> manual box without hurting the box or struggling without the pump's
assist?
> Any ideas on how to bypass the pump & reservoir? (I have a 2" body lift
if
> that makes a difference.)
> I know steering will by fast and touchy but the manual box is just
unsafe.
> It's adjusted to the point that the nut barely has a thread to hang on to
> and still has about 1/2 a full turn on the steering wheel of play. Deep
> wheel ruts on the road make me fishtail as I steer back and forth to keep
it
> under control so I stay under 45mph. When I pulled out of a parking lot
the
> other day, something felt like it wanted to bind in the gear. I'm
literally
> on the verge of a "bind".
> I really appreciate any advice I can get 'cause it's my daily driver 4
> miles to work.
> o_o_o_o
> Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:40819860.D2EF8586@***.net...
> > Hi Jim,
> > There's a zillion old Jeeps running around with that setup. But I'd
> > really try to keep it with the stock sized box, shafts and column, it'll
> > probably save you time improvising, and a whole lot easier for the next
> > owner. There's also a big difference between passenger and Jeep steering
> > ratios, three turns lock to lock is about twice as fast a Jeep.
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Drink wrote:
> > >
> > > I have an old tilt steering column (column shift), shaft and power
> > > steering gear box from a Chevy caprice (model unknown but it looked
late
> > > 80's to very early 90's). I want to convert to power steering and the
> tilt
> > > would nice. I bought a Jeep power steering shaft.
> > > Overall, the column is longer than my Jeep and the shaft is much
> shorter
> > > than my stock. Does anybody know if I can use the Chevy tilt column
and
> > > gear box in the Jeep if I have a new power steering shaft?
> > > o_o_o_o
> > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > news:407D7D8D.9F1F0A82@sympatico.ca...
> > > > GM uses the same Saganaw steering column so you have a large choice
> for
> > > > colors, tilt, etc. at the wreckers..
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Daudi wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Ah. Yes. My wrangler is a 1987. The cherokee being parted out is
> early
> > > > > 90's I believe. I actually haven't asked because the idea just
> recently
> > > > > occured to me.
> > > > >
> > > > > Wrangler's use GM steering columns?
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike Romain wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > You need to give us some years and makes.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Apparently they changed the column from the Saganaw unit every
GM
> van,
> > > > > > Camaro, Chevette and pickup uses in the mid 90's to something
> else.
> > > One
> > > > > > person that doesn't usually have accurate info says it was in
94,
> but
> > > I
> > > > > > would suspect the change was with the TJ, not in the middle of
the
> > > > > > production run of the YJ's.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The GM units are a fast easy swap. A couple bolts under the
dash,
> a
> > > > > > couple at the firewall and one spline bolt outside the firewall.
> You
> > > > > > pull and out it comes.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Daudi wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >>The adjustable steering column in my wrangler is very loose;
> sloppy
> > > down
> > > > > >>in the pivot, the joint. I am worried that it may come apart
some
> day
> > > > > >>when driving.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>I've had the steering wheel come off a car when driving (long,
> long
> > > ago
> > > > > >>when we bought cars for $50) but that was easy to put back on. A
> > > > > >>separated U-joint down inside the steering column seems like it
> would
> > > be
> > > > > >>more difficult to arrange.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>I can find a steering column from a parting out cherokee. Are
they
> > > > > >>interchangable?
>
>
04-20-2004, 01:08 PM
#44
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: steering columns- cherokee to wrangler?
Mike,
I see that you're up this morning. Feel free to chime in with your
thoughts since the question's for anybody with insight.
o_o_o_o
Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
"Drink" <drink@gnt.net> wrote in message
news:c63ib0$6dp$1@news.utelfla.com...
> Bill,
> My manual steering box is shot and I have to replace it urgently. I'm
> converting to a small block Chevy and NV4500 really soon and will convert
to
> power steering but don't have the pump/brackets/hoses yet. The Caprice's
> steering box appears the same, only a bit longer since it's power
steering.
> I'll get a correct box but this is all I have right now.
> Can I put in the Caprice's power steering box for now and run it like a
> manual box without hurting the box or struggling without the pump's
assist?
> Any ideas on how to bypass the pump & reservoir? (I have a 2" body lift
if
> that makes a difference.)
> I know steering will by fast and touchy but the manual box is just
unsafe.
> It's adjusted to the point that the nut barely has a thread to hang on to
> and still has about 1/2 a full turn on the steering wheel of play. Deep
> wheel ruts on the road make me fishtail as I steer back and forth to keep
it
> under control so I stay under 45mph. When I pulled out of a parking lot
the
> other day, something felt like it wanted to bind in the gear. I'm
literally
> on the verge of a "bind".
> I really appreciate any advice I can get 'cause it's my daily driver 4
> miles to work.
> o_o_o_o
> Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:40819860.D2EF8586@***.net...
> > Hi Jim,
> > There's a zillion old Jeeps running around with that setup. But I'd
> > really try to keep it with the stock sized box, shafts and column, it'll
> > probably save you time improvising, and a whole lot easier for the next
> > owner. There's also a big difference between passenger and Jeep steering
> > ratios, three turns lock to lock is about twice as fast a Jeep.
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Drink wrote:
> > >
> > > I have an old tilt steering column (column shift), shaft and power
> > > steering gear box from a Chevy caprice (model unknown but it looked
late
> > > 80's to very early 90's). I want to convert to power steering and the
> tilt
> > > would nice. I bought a Jeep power steering shaft.
> > > Overall, the column is longer than my Jeep and the shaft is much
> shorter
> > > than my stock. Does anybody know if I can use the Chevy tilt column
and
> > > gear box in the Jeep if I have a new power steering shaft?
> > > o_o_o_o
> > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > news:407D7D8D.9F1F0A82@sympatico.ca...
> > > > GM uses the same Saganaw steering column so you have a large choice
> for
> > > > colors, tilt, etc. at the wreckers..
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Daudi wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Ah. Yes. My wrangler is a 1987. The cherokee being parted out is
> early
> > > > > 90's I believe. I actually haven't asked because the idea just
> recently
> > > > > occured to me.
> > > > >
> > > > > Wrangler's use GM steering columns?
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike Romain wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > You need to give us some years and makes.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Apparently they changed the column from the Saganaw unit every
GM
> van,
> > > > > > Camaro, Chevette and pickup uses in the mid 90's to something
> else.
> > > One
> > > > > > person that doesn't usually have accurate info says it was in
94,
> but
> > > I
> > > > > > would suspect the change was with the TJ, not in the middle of
the
> > > > > > production run of the YJ's.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The GM units are a fast easy swap. A couple bolts under the
dash,
> a
> > > > > > couple at the firewall and one spline bolt outside the firewall.
> You
> > > > > > pull and out it comes.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Daudi wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >>The adjustable steering column in my wrangler is very loose;
> sloppy
> > > down
> > > > > >>in the pivot, the joint. I am worried that it may come apart
some
> day
> > > > > >>when driving.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>I've had the steering wheel come off a car when driving (long,
> long
> > > ago
> > > > > >>when we bought cars for $50) but that was easy to put back on. A
> > > > > >>separated U-joint down inside the steering column seems like it
> would
> > > be
> > > > > >>more difficult to arrange.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>I can find a steering column from a parting out cherokee. Are
they
> > > > > >>interchangable?
>
>
I see that you're up this morning. Feel free to chime in with your
thoughts since the question's for anybody with insight.
o_o_o_o
Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
"Drink" <drink@gnt.net> wrote in message
news:c63ib0$6dp$1@news.utelfla.com...
> Bill,
> My manual steering box is shot and I have to replace it urgently. I'm
> converting to a small block Chevy and NV4500 really soon and will convert
to
> power steering but don't have the pump/brackets/hoses yet. The Caprice's
> steering box appears the same, only a bit longer since it's power
steering.
> I'll get a correct box but this is all I have right now.
> Can I put in the Caprice's power steering box for now and run it like a
> manual box without hurting the box or struggling without the pump's
assist?
> Any ideas on how to bypass the pump & reservoir? (I have a 2" body lift
if
> that makes a difference.)
> I know steering will by fast and touchy but the manual box is just
unsafe.
> It's adjusted to the point that the nut barely has a thread to hang on to
> and still has about 1/2 a full turn on the steering wheel of play. Deep
> wheel ruts on the road make me fishtail as I steer back and forth to keep
it
> under control so I stay under 45mph. When I pulled out of a parking lot
the
> other day, something felt like it wanted to bind in the gear. I'm
literally
> on the verge of a "bind".
> I really appreciate any advice I can get 'cause it's my daily driver 4
> miles to work.
> o_o_o_o
> Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:40819860.D2EF8586@***.net...
> > Hi Jim,
> > There's a zillion old Jeeps running around with that setup. But I'd
> > really try to keep it with the stock sized box, shafts and column, it'll
> > probably save you time improvising, and a whole lot easier for the next
> > owner. There's also a big difference between passenger and Jeep steering
> > ratios, three turns lock to lock is about twice as fast a Jeep.
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Drink wrote:
> > >
> > > I have an old tilt steering column (column shift), shaft and power
> > > steering gear box from a Chevy caprice (model unknown but it looked
late
> > > 80's to very early 90's). I want to convert to power steering and the
> tilt
> > > would nice. I bought a Jeep power steering shaft.
> > > Overall, the column is longer than my Jeep and the shaft is much
> shorter
> > > than my stock. Does anybody know if I can use the Chevy tilt column
and
> > > gear box in the Jeep if I have a new power steering shaft?
> > > o_o_o_o
> > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > news:407D7D8D.9F1F0A82@sympatico.ca...
> > > > GM uses the same Saganaw steering column so you have a large choice
> for
> > > > colors, tilt, etc. at the wreckers..
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Daudi wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Ah. Yes. My wrangler is a 1987. The cherokee being parted out is
> early
> > > > > 90's I believe. I actually haven't asked because the idea just
> recently
> > > > > occured to me.
> > > > >
> > > > > Wrangler's use GM steering columns?
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike Romain wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > You need to give us some years and makes.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Apparently they changed the column from the Saganaw unit every
GM
> van,
> > > > > > Camaro, Chevette and pickup uses in the mid 90's to something
> else.
> > > One
> > > > > > person that doesn't usually have accurate info says it was in
94,
> but
> > > I
> > > > > > would suspect the change was with the TJ, not in the middle of
the
> > > > > > production run of the YJ's.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The GM units are a fast easy swap. A couple bolts under the
dash,
> a
> > > > > > couple at the firewall and one spline bolt outside the firewall.
> You
> > > > > > pull and out it comes.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Daudi wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >>The adjustable steering column in my wrangler is very loose;
> sloppy
> > > down
> > > > > >>in the pivot, the joint. I am worried that it may come apart
some
> day
> > > > > >>when driving.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>I've had the steering wheel come off a car when driving (long,
> long
> > > ago
> > > > > >>when we bought cars for $50) but that was easy to put back on. A
> > > > > >>separated U-joint down inside the steering column seems like it
> would
> > > be
> > > > > >>more difficult to arrange.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>I can find a steering column from a parting out cherokee. Are
they
> > > > > >>interchangable?
>
>
04-20-2004, 01:08 PM
#45
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: steering columns- cherokee to wrangler?
Mike,
I see that you're up this morning. Feel free to chime in with your
thoughts since the question's for anybody with insight.
o_o_o_o
Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
"Drink" <drink@gnt.net> wrote in message
news:c63ib0$6dp$1@news.utelfla.com...
> Bill,
> My manual steering box is shot and I have to replace it urgently. I'm
> converting to a small block Chevy and NV4500 really soon and will convert
to
> power steering but don't have the pump/brackets/hoses yet. The Caprice's
> steering box appears the same, only a bit longer since it's power
steering.
> I'll get a correct box but this is all I have right now.
> Can I put in the Caprice's power steering box for now and run it like a
> manual box without hurting the box or struggling without the pump's
assist?
> Any ideas on how to bypass the pump & reservoir? (I have a 2" body lift
if
> that makes a difference.)
> I know steering will by fast and touchy but the manual box is just
unsafe.
> It's adjusted to the point that the nut barely has a thread to hang on to
> and still has about 1/2 a full turn on the steering wheel of play. Deep
> wheel ruts on the road make me fishtail as I steer back and forth to keep
it
> under control so I stay under 45mph. When I pulled out of a parking lot
the
> other day, something felt like it wanted to bind in the gear. I'm
literally
> on the verge of a "bind".
> I really appreciate any advice I can get 'cause it's my daily driver 4
> miles to work.
> o_o_o_o
> Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:40819860.D2EF8586@***.net...
> > Hi Jim,
> > There's a zillion old Jeeps running around with that setup. But I'd
> > really try to keep it with the stock sized box, shafts and column, it'll
> > probably save you time improvising, and a whole lot easier for the next
> > owner. There's also a big difference between passenger and Jeep steering
> > ratios, three turns lock to lock is about twice as fast a Jeep.
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Drink wrote:
> > >
> > > I have an old tilt steering column (column shift), shaft and power
> > > steering gear box from a Chevy caprice (model unknown but it looked
late
> > > 80's to very early 90's). I want to convert to power steering and the
> tilt
> > > would nice. I bought a Jeep power steering shaft.
> > > Overall, the column is longer than my Jeep and the shaft is much
> shorter
> > > than my stock. Does anybody know if I can use the Chevy tilt column
and
> > > gear box in the Jeep if I have a new power steering shaft?
> > > o_o_o_o
> > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > news:407D7D8D.9F1F0A82@sympatico.ca...
> > > > GM uses the same Saganaw steering column so you have a large choice
> for
> > > > colors, tilt, etc. at the wreckers..
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Daudi wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Ah. Yes. My wrangler is a 1987. The cherokee being parted out is
> early
> > > > > 90's I believe. I actually haven't asked because the idea just
> recently
> > > > > occured to me.
> > > > >
> > > > > Wrangler's use GM steering columns?
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike Romain wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > You need to give us some years and makes.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Apparently they changed the column from the Saganaw unit every
GM
> van,
> > > > > > Camaro, Chevette and pickup uses in the mid 90's to something
> else.
> > > One
> > > > > > person that doesn't usually have accurate info says it was in
94,
> but
> > > I
> > > > > > would suspect the change was with the TJ, not in the middle of
the
> > > > > > production run of the YJ's.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The GM units are a fast easy swap. A couple bolts under the
dash,
> a
> > > > > > couple at the firewall and one spline bolt outside the firewall.
> You
> > > > > > pull and out it comes.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Daudi wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >>The adjustable steering column in my wrangler is very loose;
> sloppy
> > > down
> > > > > >>in the pivot, the joint. I am worried that it may come apart
some
> day
> > > > > >>when driving.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>I've had the steering wheel come off a car when driving (long,
> long
> > > ago
> > > > > >>when we bought cars for $50) but that was easy to put back on. A
> > > > > >>separated U-joint down inside the steering column seems like it
> would
> > > be
> > > > > >>more difficult to arrange.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>I can find a steering column from a parting out cherokee. Are
they
> > > > > >>interchangable?
>
>
I see that you're up this morning. Feel free to chime in with your
thoughts since the question's for anybody with insight.
o_o_o_o
Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
"Drink" <drink@gnt.net> wrote in message
news:c63ib0$6dp$1@news.utelfla.com...
> Bill,
> My manual steering box is shot and I have to replace it urgently. I'm
> converting to a small block Chevy and NV4500 really soon and will convert
to
> power steering but don't have the pump/brackets/hoses yet. The Caprice's
> steering box appears the same, only a bit longer since it's power
steering.
> I'll get a correct box but this is all I have right now.
> Can I put in the Caprice's power steering box for now and run it like a
> manual box without hurting the box or struggling without the pump's
assist?
> Any ideas on how to bypass the pump & reservoir? (I have a 2" body lift
if
> that makes a difference.)
> I know steering will by fast and touchy but the manual box is just
unsafe.
> It's adjusted to the point that the nut barely has a thread to hang on to
> and still has about 1/2 a full turn on the steering wheel of play. Deep
> wheel ruts on the road make me fishtail as I steer back and forth to keep
it
> under control so I stay under 45mph. When I pulled out of a parking lot
the
> other day, something felt like it wanted to bind in the gear. I'm
literally
> on the verge of a "bind".
> I really appreciate any advice I can get 'cause it's my daily driver 4
> miles to work.
> o_o_o_o
> Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:40819860.D2EF8586@***.net...
> > Hi Jim,
> > There's a zillion old Jeeps running around with that setup. But I'd
> > really try to keep it with the stock sized box, shafts and column, it'll
> > probably save you time improvising, and a whole lot easier for the next
> > owner. There's also a big difference between passenger and Jeep steering
> > ratios, three turns lock to lock is about twice as fast a Jeep.
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Drink wrote:
> > >
> > > I have an old tilt steering column (column shift), shaft and power
> > > steering gear box from a Chevy caprice (model unknown but it looked
late
> > > 80's to very early 90's). I want to convert to power steering and the
> tilt
> > > would nice. I bought a Jeep power steering shaft.
> > > Overall, the column is longer than my Jeep and the shaft is much
> shorter
> > > than my stock. Does anybody know if I can use the Chevy tilt column
and
> > > gear box in the Jeep if I have a new power steering shaft?
> > > o_o_o_o
> > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > news:407D7D8D.9F1F0A82@sympatico.ca...
> > > > GM uses the same Saganaw steering column so you have a large choice
> for
> > > > colors, tilt, etc. at the wreckers..
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Daudi wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Ah. Yes. My wrangler is a 1987. The cherokee being parted out is
> early
> > > > > 90's I believe. I actually haven't asked because the idea just
> recently
> > > > > occured to me.
> > > > >
> > > > > Wrangler's use GM steering columns?
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike Romain wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > You need to give us some years and makes.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Apparently they changed the column from the Saganaw unit every
GM
> van,
> > > > > > Camaro, Chevette and pickup uses in the mid 90's to something
> else.
> > > One
> > > > > > person that doesn't usually have accurate info says it was in
94,
> but
> > > I
> > > > > > would suspect the change was with the TJ, not in the middle of
the
> > > > > > production run of the YJ's.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The GM units are a fast easy swap. A couple bolts under the
dash,
> a
> > > > > > couple at the firewall and one spline bolt outside the firewall.
> You
> > > > > > pull and out it comes.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Daudi wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >>The adjustable steering column in my wrangler is very loose;
> sloppy
> > > down
> > > > > >>in the pivot, the joint. I am worried that it may come apart
some
> day
> > > > > >>when driving.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>I've had the steering wheel come off a car when driving (long,
> long
> > > ago
> > > > > >>when we bought cars for $50) but that was easy to put back on. A
> > > > > >>separated U-joint down inside the steering column seems like it
> would
> > > be
> > > > > >>more difficult to arrange.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>I can find a steering column from a parting out cherokee. Are
they
> > > > > >>interchangable?
>
>
04-20-2004, 01:34 PM
#46
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: steering columns- cherokee to wrangler?
What Bill is saying makes sense about mixing 'car' boxes and Jeep boxes.
Someone else here has the same issue, the 'car' box is way too fast.
I really don't know what you should expect mixing them up. The other
poster sure doesn't like it. I now know what he was complaining about.
I was thinking he has a camber issue because his steering won't track
back straight after a turn. Or too short of a pinion arm, but he
checked and it is the same.
Now it makes more sense, the gear ratio is too tight to allow it to
track back straight by itself, it has to be pulled back. He was
grumbling something about ditches and front lawns and lane changes
faster than you can blink.....
I would run fluid in the power box if you do decide to use it, even if
the power isn't there. I would just hook the output to the input with a
hose clamp.
I don't know what column you are playing with. The Saganaw unit that
the 80's GM have is exactly the same as the one in my 86 CJ7.
Mike
Drink wrote:
>
> Mike,
> I see that you're up this morning. Feel free to chime in with your
> thoughts since the question's for anybody with insight.
> o_o_o_o
> Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> "Drink" <drink@gnt.net> wrote in message
> news:c63ib0$6dp$1@news.utelfla.com...
> > Bill,
> > My manual steering box is shot and I have to replace it urgently. I'm
> > converting to a small block Chevy and NV4500 really soon and will convert
> to
> > power steering but don't have the pump/brackets/hoses yet. The Caprice's
> > steering box appears the same, only a bit longer since it's power
> steering.
> > I'll get a correct box but this is all I have right now.
> > Can I put in the Caprice's power steering box for now and run it like a
> > manual box without hurting the box or struggling without the pump's
> assist?
> > Any ideas on how to bypass the pump & reservoir? (I have a 2" body lift
> if
> > that makes a difference.)
> > I know steering will by fast and touchy but the manual box is just
> unsafe.
> > It's adjusted to the point that the nut barely has a thread to hang on to
> > and still has about 1/2 a full turn on the steering wheel of play. Deep
> > wheel ruts on the road make me fishtail as I steer back and forth to keep
> it
> > under control so I stay under 45mph. When I pulled out of a parking lot
> the
> > other day, something felt like it wanted to bind in the gear. I'm
> literally
> > on the verge of a "bind".
> > I really appreciate any advice I can get 'cause it's my daily driver 4
> > miles to work.
> > o_o_o_o
> > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:40819860.D2EF8586@***.net...
> > > Hi Jim,
> > > There's a zillion old Jeeps running around with that setup. But I'd
> > > really try to keep it with the stock sized box, shafts and column, it'll
> > > probably save you time improvising, and a whole lot easier for the next
> > > owner. There's also a big difference between passenger and Jeep steering
> > > ratios, three turns lock to lock is about twice as fast a Jeep.
> > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > >
> > > Drink wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I have an old tilt steering column (column shift), shaft and power
> > > > steering gear box from a Chevy caprice (model unknown but it looked
> late
> > > > 80's to very early 90's). I want to convert to power steering and the
> > tilt
> > > > would nice. I bought a Jeep power steering shaft.
> > > > Overall, the column is longer than my Jeep and the shaft is much
> > shorter
> > > > than my stock. Does anybody know if I can use the Chevy tilt column
> and
> > > > gear box in the Jeep if I have a new power steering shaft?
> > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > news:407D7D8D.9F1F0A82@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > GM uses the same Saganaw steering column so you have a large choice
> > for
> > > > > colors, tilt, etc. at the wreckers..
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Daudi wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ah. Yes. My wrangler is a 1987. The cherokee being parted out is
> > early
> > > > > > 90's I believe. I actually haven't asked because the idea just
> > recently
> > > > > > occured to me.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Wrangler's use GM steering columns?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mike Romain wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > You need to give us some years and makes.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Apparently they changed the column from the Saganaw unit every
> GM
> > van,
> > > > > > > Camaro, Chevette and pickup uses in the mid 90's to something
> > else.
> > > > One
> > > > > > > person that doesn't usually have accurate info says it was in
> 94,
> > but
> > > > I
> > > > > > > would suspect the change was with the TJ, not in the middle of
> the
> > > > > > > production run of the YJ's.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The GM units are a fast easy swap. A couple bolts under the
> dash,
> > a
> > > > > > > couple at the firewall and one spline bolt outside the firewall.
> > You
> > > > > > > pull and out it comes.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Daudi wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >>The adjustable steering column in my wrangler is very loose;
> > sloppy
> > > > down
> > > > > > >>in the pivot, the joint. I am worried that it may come apart
> some
> > day
> > > > > > >>when driving.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>I've had the steering wheel come off a car when driving (long,
> > long
> > > > ago
> > > > > > >>when we bought cars for $50) but that was easy to put back on. A
> > > > > > >>separated U-joint down inside the steering column seems like it
> > would
> > > > be
> > > > > > >>more difficult to arrange.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>I can find a steering column from a parting out cherokee. Are
> they
> > > > > > >>interchangable?
> >
> >
Someone else here has the same issue, the 'car' box is way too fast.
I really don't know what you should expect mixing them up. The other
poster sure doesn't like it. I now know what he was complaining about.
I was thinking he has a camber issue because his steering won't track
back straight after a turn. Or too short of a pinion arm, but he
checked and it is the same.
Now it makes more sense, the gear ratio is too tight to allow it to
track back straight by itself, it has to be pulled back. He was
grumbling something about ditches and front lawns and lane changes
faster than you can blink.....
I would run fluid in the power box if you do decide to use it, even if
the power isn't there. I would just hook the output to the input with a
hose clamp.
I don't know what column you are playing with. The Saganaw unit that
the 80's GM have is exactly the same as the one in my 86 CJ7.
Mike
Drink wrote:
>
> Mike,
> I see that you're up this morning. Feel free to chime in with your
> thoughts since the question's for anybody with insight.
> o_o_o_o
> Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> "Drink" <drink@gnt.net> wrote in message
> news:c63ib0$6dp$1@news.utelfla.com...
> > Bill,
> > My manual steering box is shot and I have to replace it urgently. I'm
> > converting to a small block Chevy and NV4500 really soon and will convert
> to
> > power steering but don't have the pump/brackets/hoses yet. The Caprice's
> > steering box appears the same, only a bit longer since it's power
> steering.
> > I'll get a correct box but this is all I have right now.
> > Can I put in the Caprice's power steering box for now and run it like a
> > manual box without hurting the box or struggling without the pump's
> assist?
> > Any ideas on how to bypass the pump & reservoir? (I have a 2" body lift
> if
> > that makes a difference.)
> > I know steering will by fast and touchy but the manual box is just
> unsafe.
> > It's adjusted to the point that the nut barely has a thread to hang on to
> > and still has about 1/2 a full turn on the steering wheel of play. Deep
> > wheel ruts on the road make me fishtail as I steer back and forth to keep
> it
> > under control so I stay under 45mph. When I pulled out of a parking lot
> the
> > other day, something felt like it wanted to bind in the gear. I'm
> literally
> > on the verge of a "bind".
> > I really appreciate any advice I can get 'cause it's my daily driver 4
> > miles to work.
> > o_o_o_o
> > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:40819860.D2EF8586@***.net...
> > > Hi Jim,
> > > There's a zillion old Jeeps running around with that setup. But I'd
> > > really try to keep it with the stock sized box, shafts and column, it'll
> > > probably save you time improvising, and a whole lot easier for the next
> > > owner. There's also a big difference between passenger and Jeep steering
> > > ratios, three turns lock to lock is about twice as fast a Jeep.
> > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > >
> > > Drink wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I have an old tilt steering column (column shift), shaft and power
> > > > steering gear box from a Chevy caprice (model unknown but it looked
> late
> > > > 80's to very early 90's). I want to convert to power steering and the
> > tilt
> > > > would nice. I bought a Jeep power steering shaft.
> > > > Overall, the column is longer than my Jeep and the shaft is much
> > shorter
> > > > than my stock. Does anybody know if I can use the Chevy tilt column
> and
> > > > gear box in the Jeep if I have a new power steering shaft?
> > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > news:407D7D8D.9F1F0A82@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > GM uses the same Saganaw steering column so you have a large choice
> > for
> > > > > colors, tilt, etc. at the wreckers..
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Daudi wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ah. Yes. My wrangler is a 1987. The cherokee being parted out is
> > early
> > > > > > 90's I believe. I actually haven't asked because the idea just
> > recently
> > > > > > occured to me.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Wrangler's use GM steering columns?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mike Romain wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > You need to give us some years and makes.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Apparently they changed the column from the Saganaw unit every
> GM
> > van,
> > > > > > > Camaro, Chevette and pickup uses in the mid 90's to something
> > else.
> > > > One
> > > > > > > person that doesn't usually have accurate info says it was in
> 94,
> > but
> > > > I
> > > > > > > would suspect the change was with the TJ, not in the middle of
> the
> > > > > > > production run of the YJ's.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The GM units are a fast easy swap. A couple bolts under the
> dash,
> > a
> > > > > > > couple at the firewall and one spline bolt outside the firewall.
> > You
> > > > > > > pull and out it comes.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Daudi wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >>The adjustable steering column in my wrangler is very loose;
> > sloppy
> > > > down
> > > > > > >>in the pivot, the joint. I am worried that it may come apart
> some
> > day
> > > > > > >>when driving.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>I've had the steering wheel come off a car when driving (long,
> > long
> > > > ago
> > > > > > >>when we bought cars for $50) but that was easy to put back on. A
> > > > > > >>separated U-joint down inside the steering column seems like it
> > would
> > > > be
> > > > > > >>more difficult to arrange.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>I can find a steering column from a parting out cherokee. Are
> they
> > > > > > >>interchangable?
> >
> >
04-20-2004, 01:34 PM
#47
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: steering columns- cherokee to wrangler?
What Bill is saying makes sense about mixing 'car' boxes and Jeep boxes.
Someone else here has the same issue, the 'car' box is way too fast.
I really don't know what you should expect mixing them up. The other
poster sure doesn't like it. I now know what he was complaining about.
I was thinking he has a camber issue because his steering won't track
back straight after a turn. Or too short of a pinion arm, but he
checked and it is the same.
Now it makes more sense, the gear ratio is too tight to allow it to
track back straight by itself, it has to be pulled back. He was
grumbling something about ditches and front lawns and lane changes
faster than you can blink.....
I would run fluid in the power box if you do decide to use it, even if
the power isn't there. I would just hook the output to the input with a
hose clamp.
I don't know what column you are playing with. The Saganaw unit that
the 80's GM have is exactly the same as the one in my 86 CJ7.
Mike
Drink wrote:
>
> Mike,
> I see that you're up this morning. Feel free to chime in with your
> thoughts since the question's for anybody with insight.
> o_o_o_o
> Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> "Drink" <drink@gnt.net> wrote in message
> news:c63ib0$6dp$1@news.utelfla.com...
> > Bill,
> > My manual steering box is shot and I have to replace it urgently. I'm
> > converting to a small block Chevy and NV4500 really soon and will convert
> to
> > power steering but don't have the pump/brackets/hoses yet. The Caprice's
> > steering box appears the same, only a bit longer since it's power
> steering.
> > I'll get a correct box but this is all I have right now.
> > Can I put in the Caprice's power steering box for now and run it like a
> > manual box without hurting the box or struggling without the pump's
> assist?
> > Any ideas on how to bypass the pump & reservoir? (I have a 2" body lift
> if
> > that makes a difference.)
> > I know steering will by fast and touchy but the manual box is just
> unsafe.
> > It's adjusted to the point that the nut barely has a thread to hang on to
> > and still has about 1/2 a full turn on the steering wheel of play. Deep
> > wheel ruts on the road make me fishtail as I steer back and forth to keep
> it
> > under control so I stay under 45mph. When I pulled out of a parking lot
> the
> > other day, something felt like it wanted to bind in the gear. I'm
> literally
> > on the verge of a "bind".
> > I really appreciate any advice I can get 'cause it's my daily driver 4
> > miles to work.
> > o_o_o_o
> > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:40819860.D2EF8586@***.net...
> > > Hi Jim,
> > > There's a zillion old Jeeps running around with that setup. But I'd
> > > really try to keep it with the stock sized box, shafts and column, it'll
> > > probably save you time improvising, and a whole lot easier for the next
> > > owner. There's also a big difference between passenger and Jeep steering
> > > ratios, three turns lock to lock is about twice as fast a Jeep.
> > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > >
> > > Drink wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I have an old tilt steering column (column shift), shaft and power
> > > > steering gear box from a Chevy caprice (model unknown but it looked
> late
> > > > 80's to very early 90's). I want to convert to power steering and the
> > tilt
> > > > would nice. I bought a Jeep power steering shaft.
> > > > Overall, the column is longer than my Jeep and the shaft is much
> > shorter
> > > > than my stock. Does anybody know if I can use the Chevy tilt column
> and
> > > > gear box in the Jeep if I have a new power steering shaft?
> > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > news:407D7D8D.9F1F0A82@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > GM uses the same Saganaw steering column so you have a large choice
> > for
> > > > > colors, tilt, etc. at the wreckers..
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Daudi wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ah. Yes. My wrangler is a 1987. The cherokee being parted out is
> > early
> > > > > > 90's I believe. I actually haven't asked because the idea just
> > recently
> > > > > > occured to me.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Wrangler's use GM steering columns?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mike Romain wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > You need to give us some years and makes.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Apparently they changed the column from the Saganaw unit every
> GM
> > van,
> > > > > > > Camaro, Chevette and pickup uses in the mid 90's to something
> > else.
> > > > One
> > > > > > > person that doesn't usually have accurate info says it was in
> 94,
> > but
> > > > I
> > > > > > > would suspect the change was with the TJ, not in the middle of
> the
> > > > > > > production run of the YJ's.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The GM units are a fast easy swap. A couple bolts under the
> dash,
> > a
> > > > > > > couple at the firewall and one spline bolt outside the firewall.
> > You
> > > > > > > pull and out it comes.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Daudi wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >>The adjustable steering column in my wrangler is very loose;
> > sloppy
> > > > down
> > > > > > >>in the pivot, the joint. I am worried that it may come apart
> some
> > day
> > > > > > >>when driving.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>I've had the steering wheel come off a car when driving (long,
> > long
> > > > ago
> > > > > > >>when we bought cars for $50) but that was easy to put back on. A
> > > > > > >>separated U-joint down inside the steering column seems like it
> > would
> > > > be
> > > > > > >>more difficult to arrange.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>I can find a steering column from a parting out cherokee. Are
> they
> > > > > > >>interchangable?
> >
> >
Someone else here has the same issue, the 'car' box is way too fast.
I really don't know what you should expect mixing them up. The other
poster sure doesn't like it. I now know what he was complaining about.
I was thinking he has a camber issue because his steering won't track
back straight after a turn. Or too short of a pinion arm, but he
checked and it is the same.
Now it makes more sense, the gear ratio is too tight to allow it to
track back straight by itself, it has to be pulled back. He was
grumbling something about ditches and front lawns and lane changes
faster than you can blink.....
I would run fluid in the power box if you do decide to use it, even if
the power isn't there. I would just hook the output to the input with a
hose clamp.
I don't know what column you are playing with. The Saganaw unit that
the 80's GM have is exactly the same as the one in my 86 CJ7.
Mike
Drink wrote:
>
> Mike,
> I see that you're up this morning. Feel free to chime in with your
> thoughts since the question's for anybody with insight.
> o_o_o_o
> Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> "Drink" <drink@gnt.net> wrote in message
> news:c63ib0$6dp$1@news.utelfla.com...
> > Bill,
> > My manual steering box is shot and I have to replace it urgently. I'm
> > converting to a small block Chevy and NV4500 really soon and will convert
> to
> > power steering but don't have the pump/brackets/hoses yet. The Caprice's
> > steering box appears the same, only a bit longer since it's power
> steering.
> > I'll get a correct box but this is all I have right now.
> > Can I put in the Caprice's power steering box for now and run it like a
> > manual box without hurting the box or struggling without the pump's
> assist?
> > Any ideas on how to bypass the pump & reservoir? (I have a 2" body lift
> if
> > that makes a difference.)
> > I know steering will by fast and touchy but the manual box is just
> unsafe.
> > It's adjusted to the point that the nut barely has a thread to hang on to
> > and still has about 1/2 a full turn on the steering wheel of play. Deep
> > wheel ruts on the road make me fishtail as I steer back and forth to keep
> it
> > under control so I stay under 45mph. When I pulled out of a parking lot
> the
> > other day, something felt like it wanted to bind in the gear. I'm
> literally
> > on the verge of a "bind".
> > I really appreciate any advice I can get 'cause it's my daily driver 4
> > miles to work.
> > o_o_o_o
> > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:40819860.D2EF8586@***.net...
> > > Hi Jim,
> > > There's a zillion old Jeeps running around with that setup. But I'd
> > > really try to keep it with the stock sized box, shafts and column, it'll
> > > probably save you time improvising, and a whole lot easier for the next
> > > owner. There's also a big difference between passenger and Jeep steering
> > > ratios, three turns lock to lock is about twice as fast a Jeep.
> > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > >
> > > Drink wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I have an old tilt steering column (column shift), shaft and power
> > > > steering gear box from a Chevy caprice (model unknown but it looked
> late
> > > > 80's to very early 90's). I want to convert to power steering and the
> > tilt
> > > > would nice. I bought a Jeep power steering shaft.
> > > > Overall, the column is longer than my Jeep and the shaft is much
> > shorter
> > > > than my stock. Does anybody know if I can use the Chevy tilt column
> and
> > > > gear box in the Jeep if I have a new power steering shaft?
> > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > news:407D7D8D.9F1F0A82@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > GM uses the same Saganaw steering column so you have a large choice
> > for
> > > > > colors, tilt, etc. at the wreckers..
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Daudi wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ah. Yes. My wrangler is a 1987. The cherokee being parted out is
> > early
> > > > > > 90's I believe. I actually haven't asked because the idea just
> > recently
> > > > > > occured to me.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Wrangler's use GM steering columns?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mike Romain wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > You need to give us some years and makes.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Apparently they changed the column from the Saganaw unit every
> GM
> > van,
> > > > > > > Camaro, Chevette and pickup uses in the mid 90's to something
> > else.
> > > > One
> > > > > > > person that doesn't usually have accurate info says it was in
> 94,
> > but
> > > > I
> > > > > > > would suspect the change was with the TJ, not in the middle of
> the
> > > > > > > production run of the YJ's.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The GM units are a fast easy swap. A couple bolts under the
> dash,
> > a
> > > > > > > couple at the firewall and one spline bolt outside the firewall.
> > You
> > > > > > > pull and out it comes.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Daudi wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >>The adjustable steering column in my wrangler is very loose;
> > sloppy
> > > > down
> > > > > > >>in the pivot, the joint. I am worried that it may come apart
> some
> > day
> > > > > > >>when driving.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>I've had the steering wheel come off a car when driving (long,
> > long
> > > > ago
> > > > > > >>when we bought cars for $50) but that was easy to put back on. A
> > > > > > >>separated U-joint down inside the steering column seems like it
> > would
> > > > be
> > > > > > >>more difficult to arrange.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>I can find a steering column from a parting out cherokee. Are
> they
> > > > > > >>interchangable?
> >
> >
04-20-2004, 01:34 PM
#48
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: steering columns- cherokee to wrangler?
What Bill is saying makes sense about mixing 'car' boxes and Jeep boxes.
Someone else here has the same issue, the 'car' box is way too fast.
I really don't know what you should expect mixing them up. The other
poster sure doesn't like it. I now know what he was complaining about.
I was thinking he has a camber issue because his steering won't track
back straight after a turn. Or too short of a pinion arm, but he
checked and it is the same.
Now it makes more sense, the gear ratio is too tight to allow it to
track back straight by itself, it has to be pulled back. He was
grumbling something about ditches and front lawns and lane changes
faster than you can blink.....
I would run fluid in the power box if you do decide to use it, even if
the power isn't there. I would just hook the output to the input with a
hose clamp.
I don't know what column you are playing with. The Saganaw unit that
the 80's GM have is exactly the same as the one in my 86 CJ7.
Mike
Drink wrote:
>
> Mike,
> I see that you're up this morning. Feel free to chime in with your
> thoughts since the question's for anybody with insight.
> o_o_o_o
> Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> "Drink" <drink@gnt.net> wrote in message
> news:c63ib0$6dp$1@news.utelfla.com...
> > Bill,
> > My manual steering box is shot and I have to replace it urgently. I'm
> > converting to a small block Chevy and NV4500 really soon and will convert
> to
> > power steering but don't have the pump/brackets/hoses yet. The Caprice's
> > steering box appears the same, only a bit longer since it's power
> steering.
> > I'll get a correct box but this is all I have right now.
> > Can I put in the Caprice's power steering box for now and run it like a
> > manual box without hurting the box or struggling without the pump's
> assist?
> > Any ideas on how to bypass the pump & reservoir? (I have a 2" body lift
> if
> > that makes a difference.)
> > I know steering will by fast and touchy but the manual box is just
> unsafe.
> > It's adjusted to the point that the nut barely has a thread to hang on to
> > and still has about 1/2 a full turn on the steering wheel of play. Deep
> > wheel ruts on the road make me fishtail as I steer back and forth to keep
> it
> > under control so I stay under 45mph. When I pulled out of a parking lot
> the
> > other day, something felt like it wanted to bind in the gear. I'm
> literally
> > on the verge of a "bind".
> > I really appreciate any advice I can get 'cause it's my daily driver 4
> > miles to work.
> > o_o_o_o
> > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:40819860.D2EF8586@***.net...
> > > Hi Jim,
> > > There's a zillion old Jeeps running around with that setup. But I'd
> > > really try to keep it with the stock sized box, shafts and column, it'll
> > > probably save you time improvising, and a whole lot easier for the next
> > > owner. There's also a big difference between passenger and Jeep steering
> > > ratios, three turns lock to lock is about twice as fast a Jeep.
> > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > >
> > > Drink wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I have an old tilt steering column (column shift), shaft and power
> > > > steering gear box from a Chevy caprice (model unknown but it looked
> late
> > > > 80's to very early 90's). I want to convert to power steering and the
> > tilt
> > > > would nice. I bought a Jeep power steering shaft.
> > > > Overall, the column is longer than my Jeep and the shaft is much
> > shorter
> > > > than my stock. Does anybody know if I can use the Chevy tilt column
> and
> > > > gear box in the Jeep if I have a new power steering shaft?
> > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > news:407D7D8D.9F1F0A82@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > GM uses the same Saganaw steering column so you have a large choice
> > for
> > > > > colors, tilt, etc. at the wreckers..
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Daudi wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ah. Yes. My wrangler is a 1987. The cherokee being parted out is
> > early
> > > > > > 90's I believe. I actually haven't asked because the idea just
> > recently
> > > > > > occured to me.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Wrangler's use GM steering columns?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mike Romain wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > You need to give us some years and makes.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Apparently they changed the column from the Saganaw unit every
> GM
> > van,
> > > > > > > Camaro, Chevette and pickup uses in the mid 90's to something
> > else.
> > > > One
> > > > > > > person that doesn't usually have accurate info says it was in
> 94,
> > but
> > > > I
> > > > > > > would suspect the change was with the TJ, not in the middle of
> the
> > > > > > > production run of the YJ's.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The GM units are a fast easy swap. A couple bolts under the
> dash,
> > a
> > > > > > > couple at the firewall and one spline bolt outside the firewall.
> > You
> > > > > > > pull and out it comes.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Daudi wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >>The adjustable steering column in my wrangler is very loose;
> > sloppy
> > > > down
> > > > > > >>in the pivot, the joint. I am worried that it may come apart
> some
> > day
> > > > > > >>when driving.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>I've had the steering wheel come off a car when driving (long,
> > long
> > > > ago
> > > > > > >>when we bought cars for $50) but that was easy to put back on. A
> > > > > > >>separated U-joint down inside the steering column seems like it
> > would
> > > > be
> > > > > > >>more difficult to arrange.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>I can find a steering column from a parting out cherokee. Are
> they
> > > > > > >>interchangable?
> >
> >
Someone else here has the same issue, the 'car' box is way too fast.
I really don't know what you should expect mixing them up. The other
poster sure doesn't like it. I now know what he was complaining about.
I was thinking he has a camber issue because his steering won't track
back straight after a turn. Or too short of a pinion arm, but he
checked and it is the same.
Now it makes more sense, the gear ratio is too tight to allow it to
track back straight by itself, it has to be pulled back. He was
grumbling something about ditches and front lawns and lane changes
faster than you can blink.....
I would run fluid in the power box if you do decide to use it, even if
the power isn't there. I would just hook the output to the input with a
hose clamp.
I don't know what column you are playing with. The Saganaw unit that
the 80's GM have is exactly the same as the one in my 86 CJ7.
Mike
Drink wrote:
>
> Mike,
> I see that you're up this morning. Feel free to chime in with your
> thoughts since the question's for anybody with insight.
> o_o_o_o
> Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> "Drink" <drink@gnt.net> wrote in message
> news:c63ib0$6dp$1@news.utelfla.com...
> > Bill,
> > My manual steering box is shot and I have to replace it urgently. I'm
> > converting to a small block Chevy and NV4500 really soon and will convert
> to
> > power steering but don't have the pump/brackets/hoses yet. The Caprice's
> > steering box appears the same, only a bit longer since it's power
> steering.
> > I'll get a correct box but this is all I have right now.
> > Can I put in the Caprice's power steering box for now and run it like a
> > manual box without hurting the box or struggling without the pump's
> assist?
> > Any ideas on how to bypass the pump & reservoir? (I have a 2" body lift
> if
> > that makes a difference.)
> > I know steering will by fast and touchy but the manual box is just
> unsafe.
> > It's adjusted to the point that the nut barely has a thread to hang on to
> > and still has about 1/2 a full turn on the steering wheel of play. Deep
> > wheel ruts on the road make me fishtail as I steer back and forth to keep
> it
> > under control so I stay under 45mph. When I pulled out of a parking lot
> the
> > other day, something felt like it wanted to bind in the gear. I'm
> literally
> > on the verge of a "bind".
> > I really appreciate any advice I can get 'cause it's my daily driver 4
> > miles to work.
> > o_o_o_o
> > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:40819860.D2EF8586@***.net...
> > > Hi Jim,
> > > There's a zillion old Jeeps running around with that setup. But I'd
> > > really try to keep it with the stock sized box, shafts and column, it'll
> > > probably save you time improvising, and a whole lot easier for the next
> > > owner. There's also a big difference between passenger and Jeep steering
> > > ratios, three turns lock to lock is about twice as fast a Jeep.
> > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > >
> > > Drink wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I have an old tilt steering column (column shift), shaft and power
> > > > steering gear box from a Chevy caprice (model unknown but it looked
> late
> > > > 80's to very early 90's). I want to convert to power steering and the
> > tilt
> > > > would nice. I bought a Jeep power steering shaft.
> > > > Overall, the column is longer than my Jeep and the shaft is much
> > shorter
> > > > than my stock. Does anybody know if I can use the Chevy tilt column
> and
> > > > gear box in the Jeep if I have a new power steering shaft?
> > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > news:407D7D8D.9F1F0A82@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > GM uses the same Saganaw steering column so you have a large choice
> > for
> > > > > colors, tilt, etc. at the wreckers..
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Daudi wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ah. Yes. My wrangler is a 1987. The cherokee being parted out is
> > early
> > > > > > 90's I believe. I actually haven't asked because the idea just
> > recently
> > > > > > occured to me.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Wrangler's use GM steering columns?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mike Romain wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > You need to give us some years and makes.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Apparently they changed the column from the Saganaw unit every
> GM
> > van,
> > > > > > > Camaro, Chevette and pickup uses in the mid 90's to something
> > else.
> > > > One
> > > > > > > person that doesn't usually have accurate info says it was in
> 94,
> > but
> > > > I
> > > > > > > would suspect the change was with the TJ, not in the middle of
> the
> > > > > > > production run of the YJ's.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The GM units are a fast easy swap. A couple bolts under the
> dash,
> > a
> > > > > > > couple at the firewall and one spline bolt outside the firewall.
> > You
> > > > > > > pull and out it comes.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Daudi wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >>The adjustable steering column in my wrangler is very loose;
> > sloppy
> > > > down
> > > > > > >>in the pivot, the joint. I am worried that it may come apart
> some
> > day
> > > > > > >>when driving.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>I've had the steering wheel come off a car when driving (long,
> > long
> > > > ago
> > > > > > >>when we bought cars for $50) but that was easy to put back on. A
> > > > > > >>separated U-joint down inside the steering column seems like it
> > would
> > > > be
> > > > > > >>more difficult to arrange.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>I can find a steering column from a parting out cherokee. Are
> they
> > > > > > >>interchangable?
> >
> >
04-20-2004, 01:34 PM
#49
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: steering columns- cherokee to wrangler?
What Bill is saying makes sense about mixing 'car' boxes and Jeep boxes.
Someone else here has the same issue, the 'car' box is way too fast.
I really don't know what you should expect mixing them up. The other
poster sure doesn't like it. I now know what he was complaining about.
I was thinking he has a camber issue because his steering won't track
back straight after a turn. Or too short of a pinion arm, but he
checked and it is the same.
Now it makes more sense, the gear ratio is too tight to allow it to
track back straight by itself, it has to be pulled back. He was
grumbling something about ditches and front lawns and lane changes
faster than you can blink.....
I would run fluid in the power box if you do decide to use it, even if
the power isn't there. I would just hook the output to the input with a
hose clamp.
I don't know what column you are playing with. The Saganaw unit that
the 80's GM have is exactly the same as the one in my 86 CJ7.
Mike
Drink wrote:
>
> Mike,
> I see that you're up this morning. Feel free to chime in with your
> thoughts since the question's for anybody with insight.
> o_o_o_o
> Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> "Drink" <drink@gnt.net> wrote in message
> news:c63ib0$6dp$1@news.utelfla.com...
> > Bill,
> > My manual steering box is shot and I have to replace it urgently. I'm
> > converting to a small block Chevy and NV4500 really soon and will convert
> to
> > power steering but don't have the pump/brackets/hoses yet. The Caprice's
> > steering box appears the same, only a bit longer since it's power
> steering.
> > I'll get a correct box but this is all I have right now.
> > Can I put in the Caprice's power steering box for now and run it like a
> > manual box without hurting the box or struggling without the pump's
> assist?
> > Any ideas on how to bypass the pump & reservoir? (I have a 2" body lift
> if
> > that makes a difference.)
> > I know steering will by fast and touchy but the manual box is just
> unsafe.
> > It's adjusted to the point that the nut barely has a thread to hang on to
> > and still has about 1/2 a full turn on the steering wheel of play. Deep
> > wheel ruts on the road make me fishtail as I steer back and forth to keep
> it
> > under control so I stay under 45mph. When I pulled out of a parking lot
> the
> > other day, something felt like it wanted to bind in the gear. I'm
> literally
> > on the verge of a "bind".
> > I really appreciate any advice I can get 'cause it's my daily driver 4
> > miles to work.
> > o_o_o_o
> > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:40819860.D2EF8586@***.net...
> > > Hi Jim,
> > > There's a zillion old Jeeps running around with that setup. But I'd
> > > really try to keep it with the stock sized box, shafts and column, it'll
> > > probably save you time improvising, and a whole lot easier for the next
> > > owner. There's also a big difference between passenger and Jeep steering
> > > ratios, three turns lock to lock is about twice as fast a Jeep.
> > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > >
> > > Drink wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I have an old tilt steering column (column shift), shaft and power
> > > > steering gear box from a Chevy caprice (model unknown but it looked
> late
> > > > 80's to very early 90's). I want to convert to power steering and the
> > tilt
> > > > would nice. I bought a Jeep power steering shaft.
> > > > Overall, the column is longer than my Jeep and the shaft is much
> > shorter
> > > > than my stock. Does anybody know if I can use the Chevy tilt column
> and
> > > > gear box in the Jeep if I have a new power steering shaft?
> > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > news:407D7D8D.9F1F0A82@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > GM uses the same Saganaw steering column so you have a large choice
> > for
> > > > > colors, tilt, etc. at the wreckers..
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Daudi wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ah. Yes. My wrangler is a 1987. The cherokee being parted out is
> > early
> > > > > > 90's I believe. I actually haven't asked because the idea just
> > recently
> > > > > > occured to me.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Wrangler's use GM steering columns?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mike Romain wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > You need to give us some years and makes.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Apparently they changed the column from the Saganaw unit every
> GM
> > van,
> > > > > > > Camaro, Chevette and pickup uses in the mid 90's to something
> > else.
> > > > One
> > > > > > > person that doesn't usually have accurate info says it was in
> 94,
> > but
> > > > I
> > > > > > > would suspect the change was with the TJ, not in the middle of
> the
> > > > > > > production run of the YJ's.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The GM units are a fast easy swap. A couple bolts under the
> dash,
> > a
> > > > > > > couple at the firewall and one spline bolt outside the firewall.
> > You
> > > > > > > pull and out it comes.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Daudi wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >>The adjustable steering column in my wrangler is very loose;
> > sloppy
> > > > down
> > > > > > >>in the pivot, the joint. I am worried that it may come apart
> some
> > day
> > > > > > >>when driving.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>I've had the steering wheel come off a car when driving (long,
> > long
> > > > ago
> > > > > > >>when we bought cars for $50) but that was easy to put back on. A
> > > > > > >>separated U-joint down inside the steering column seems like it
> > would
> > > > be
> > > > > > >>more difficult to arrange.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>I can find a steering column from a parting out cherokee. Are
> they
> > > > > > >>interchangable?
> >
> >
Someone else here has the same issue, the 'car' box is way too fast.
I really don't know what you should expect mixing them up. The other
poster sure doesn't like it. I now know what he was complaining about.
I was thinking he has a camber issue because his steering won't track
back straight after a turn. Or too short of a pinion arm, but he
checked and it is the same.
Now it makes more sense, the gear ratio is too tight to allow it to
track back straight by itself, it has to be pulled back. He was
grumbling something about ditches and front lawns and lane changes
faster than you can blink.....
I would run fluid in the power box if you do decide to use it, even if
the power isn't there. I would just hook the output to the input with a
hose clamp.
I don't know what column you are playing with. The Saganaw unit that
the 80's GM have is exactly the same as the one in my 86 CJ7.
Mike
Drink wrote:
>
> Mike,
> I see that you're up this morning. Feel free to chime in with your
> thoughts since the question's for anybody with insight.
> o_o_o_o
> Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> "Drink" <drink@gnt.net> wrote in message
> news:c63ib0$6dp$1@news.utelfla.com...
> > Bill,
> > My manual steering box is shot and I have to replace it urgently. I'm
> > converting to a small block Chevy and NV4500 really soon and will convert
> to
> > power steering but don't have the pump/brackets/hoses yet. The Caprice's
> > steering box appears the same, only a bit longer since it's power
> steering.
> > I'll get a correct box but this is all I have right now.
> > Can I put in the Caprice's power steering box for now and run it like a
> > manual box without hurting the box or struggling without the pump's
> assist?
> > Any ideas on how to bypass the pump & reservoir? (I have a 2" body lift
> if
> > that makes a difference.)
> > I know steering will by fast and touchy but the manual box is just
> unsafe.
> > It's adjusted to the point that the nut barely has a thread to hang on to
> > and still has about 1/2 a full turn on the steering wheel of play. Deep
> > wheel ruts on the road make me fishtail as I steer back and forth to keep
> it
> > under control so I stay under 45mph. When I pulled out of a parking lot
> the
> > other day, something felt like it wanted to bind in the gear. I'm
> literally
> > on the verge of a "bind".
> > I really appreciate any advice I can get 'cause it's my daily driver 4
> > miles to work.
> > o_o_o_o
> > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:40819860.D2EF8586@***.net...
> > > Hi Jim,
> > > There's a zillion old Jeeps running around with that setup. But I'd
> > > really try to keep it with the stock sized box, shafts and column, it'll
> > > probably save you time improvising, and a whole lot easier for the next
> > > owner. There's also a big difference between passenger and Jeep steering
> > > ratios, three turns lock to lock is about twice as fast a Jeep.
> > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > >
> > > Drink wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I have an old tilt steering column (column shift), shaft and power
> > > > steering gear box from a Chevy caprice (model unknown but it looked
> late
> > > > 80's to very early 90's). I want to convert to power steering and the
> > tilt
> > > > would nice. I bought a Jeep power steering shaft.
> > > > Overall, the column is longer than my Jeep and the shaft is much
> > shorter
> > > > than my stock. Does anybody know if I can use the Chevy tilt column
> and
> > > > gear box in the Jeep if I have a new power steering shaft?
> > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > news:407D7D8D.9F1F0A82@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > GM uses the same Saganaw steering column so you have a large choice
> > for
> > > > > colors, tilt, etc. at the wreckers..
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Daudi wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ah. Yes. My wrangler is a 1987. The cherokee being parted out is
> > early
> > > > > > 90's I believe. I actually haven't asked because the idea just
> > recently
> > > > > > occured to me.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Wrangler's use GM steering columns?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mike Romain wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > You need to give us some years and makes.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Apparently they changed the column from the Saganaw unit every
> GM
> > van,
> > > > > > > Camaro, Chevette and pickup uses in the mid 90's to something
> > else.
> > > > One
> > > > > > > person that doesn't usually have accurate info says it was in
> 94,
> > but
> > > > I
> > > > > > > would suspect the change was with the TJ, not in the middle of
> the
> > > > > > > production run of the YJ's.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The GM units are a fast easy swap. A couple bolts under the
> dash,
> > a
> > > > > > > couple at the firewall and one spline bolt outside the firewall.
> > You
> > > > > > > pull and out it comes.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Daudi wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >>The adjustable steering column in my wrangler is very loose;
> > sloppy
> > > > down
> > > > > > >>in the pivot, the joint. I am worried that it may come apart
> some
> > day
> > > > > > >>when driving.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>I've had the steering wheel come off a car when driving (long,
> > long
> > > > ago
> > > > > > >>when we bought cars for $50) but that was easy to put back on. A
> > > > > > >>separated U-joint down inside the steering column seems like it
> > would
> > > > be
> > > > > > >>more difficult to arrange.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>I can find a steering column from a parting out cherokee. Are
> they
> > > > > > >>interchangable?
> >
> >
04-20-2004, 02:01 PM
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Re: steering columns- cherokee to wrangler?
Good idea, Mike. Didn't even consider a simple hose clamp since there's
no pressure on the fluid. It's too simple. The original box is so shot
that a lightning fast lane change is where I'm at already. The only
difference is that there's so much play that it does it on it's own:( This
is just a temporary fix in the interim 'til I can get the other drivetrain
in and get the right pump, reservoir, etc. Is the steering gonna be really
hard like when you kill the engine with power steering or is that just the
drag of a non-turning pump?
The Saginaw box appears identical to mine but I think it's just a tad bit
extended to accommodate the hoses. I have both steering columns from the
Caprice and the Jeep and bought a power steering shaft to boot. If I can,
I'll use the tilt wheel column from the Caprice and the power steering shaft
for the Jeep to connect to the gear box. Once the drivetrain's swapped and
I know what brackets and pump I need, I'll finish by changing the steering
gear box. Maybe even a new AGR box.
How's this all sound? Am I tracking right? Am I missing something?
--
o_o_o_o
Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:40855F2F.F0DFFE7E@sympatico.ca...
> What Bill is saying makes sense about mixing 'car' boxes and Jeep boxes.
>
> Someone else here has the same issue, the 'car' box is way too fast.
>
> I really don't know what you should expect mixing them up. The other
> poster sure doesn't like it. I now know what he was complaining about.
> I was thinking he has a camber issue because his steering won't track
> back straight after a turn. Or too short of a pinion arm, but he
> checked and it is the same.
>
> Now it makes more sense, the gear ratio is too tight to allow it to
> track back straight by itself, it has to be pulled back. He was
> grumbling something about ditches and front lawns and lane changes
> faster than you can blink.....
> I would run fluid in the power box if you do decide to use it, even if
> the power isn't there. I would just hook the output to the input with a
> hose clamp.
>
> I don't know what column you are playing with. The Saganaw unit that
> the 80's GM have is exactly the same as the one in my 86 CJ7.
>
> Mike
>
> Drink wrote:
> >
> > Mike,
> > I see that you're up this morning. Feel free to chime in with your
> > thoughts since the question's for anybody with insight.
> > o_o_o_o
> > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > "Drink" <drink@gnt.net> wrote in message
> > news:c63ib0$6dp$1@news.utelfla.com...
> > > Bill,
> > > My manual steering box is shot and I have to replace it urgently.
I'm
> > > converting to a small block Chevy and NV4500 really soon and will
convert
> > to
> > > power steering but don't have the pump/brackets/hoses yet. The
Caprice's
> > > steering box appears the same, only a bit longer since it's power
> > steering.
> > > I'll get a correct box but this is all I have right now.
> > > Can I put in the Caprice's power steering box for now and run it
like a
> > > manual box without hurting the box or struggling without the pump's
> > assist?
> > > Any ideas on how to bypass the pump & reservoir? (I have a 2" body
lift
> > if
> > > that makes a difference.)
> > > I know steering will by fast and touchy but the manual box is just
> > unsafe.
> > > It's adjusted to the point that the nut barely has a thread to hang on
to
> > > and still has about 1/2 a full turn on the steering wheel of play.
Deep
> > > wheel ruts on the road make me fishtail as I steer back and forth to
keep
> > it
> > > under control so I stay under 45mph. When I pulled out of a parking
lot
> > the
> > > other day, something felt like it wanted to bind in the gear. I'm
> > literally
> > > on the verge of a "bind".
> > > I really appreciate any advice I can get 'cause it's my daily driver
4
> > > miles to work.
> > > o_o_o_o
> > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > > news:40819860.D2EF8586@***.net...
> > > > Hi Jim,
> > > > There's a zillion old Jeeps running around with that setup. But
I'd
> > > > really try to keep it with the stock sized box, shafts and column,
it'll
> > > > probably save you time improvising, and a whole lot easier for the
next
> > > > owner. There's also a big difference between passenger and Jeep
steering
> > > > ratios, three turns lock to lock is about twice as fast a Jeep.
> > > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > > >
> > > > Drink wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I have an old tilt steering column (column shift), shaft and
power
> > > > > steering gear box from a Chevy caprice (model unknown but it
looked
> > late
> > > > > 80's to very early 90's). I want to convert to power steering and
the
> > > tilt
> > > > > would nice. I bought a Jeep power steering shaft.
> > > > > Overall, the column is longer than my Jeep and the shaft is much
> > > shorter
> > > > > than my stock. Does anybody know if I can use the Chevy tilt
column
> > and
> > > > > gear box in the Jeep if I have a new power steering shaft?
> > > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > > news:407D7D8D.9F1F0A82@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > > GM uses the same Saganaw steering column so you have a large
choice
> > > for
> > > > > > colors, tilt, etc. at the wreckers..
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mike
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Daudi wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Ah. Yes. My wrangler is a 1987. The cherokee being parted out
is
> > > early
> > > > > > > 90's I believe. I actually haven't asked because the idea just
> > > recently
> > > > > > > occured to me.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Wrangler's use GM steering columns?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Mike Romain wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > You need to give us some years and makes.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Apparently they changed the column from the Saganaw unit
every
> > GM
> > > van,
> > > > > > > > Camaro, Chevette and pickup uses in the mid 90's to
something
> > > else.
> > > > > One
> > > > > > > > person that doesn't usually have accurate info says it was
in
> > 94,
> > > but
> > > > > I
> > > > > > > > would suspect the change was with the TJ, not in the middle
of
> > the
> > > > > > > > production run of the YJ's.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The GM units are a fast easy swap. A couple bolts under the
> > dash,
> > > a
> > > > > > > > couple at the firewall and one spline bolt outside the
firewall.
> > > You
> > > > > > > > pull and out it comes.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in
'00
> > > > > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Daudi wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >>The adjustable steering column in my wrangler is very loose;
> > > sloppy
> > > > > down
> > > > > > > >>in the pivot, the joint. I am worried that it may come apart
> > some
> > > day
> > > > > > > >>when driving.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >>I've had the steering wheel come off a car when driving
(long,
> > > long
> > > > > ago
> > > > > > > >>when we bought cars for $50) but that was easy to put back
on. A
> > > > > > > >>separated U-joint down inside the steering column seems like
it
> > > would
> > > > > be
> > > > > > > >>more difficult to arrange.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >>I can find a steering column from a parting out cherokee.
Are
> > they
> > > > > > > >>interchangable?
> > >
> > >
no pressure on the fluid. It's too simple. The original box is so shot
that a lightning fast lane change is where I'm at already. The only
difference is that there's so much play that it does it on it's own:( This
is just a temporary fix in the interim 'til I can get the other drivetrain
in and get the right pump, reservoir, etc. Is the steering gonna be really
hard like when you kill the engine with power steering or is that just the
drag of a non-turning pump?
The Saginaw box appears identical to mine but I think it's just a tad bit
extended to accommodate the hoses. I have both steering columns from the
Caprice and the Jeep and bought a power steering shaft to boot. If I can,
I'll use the tilt wheel column from the Caprice and the power steering shaft
for the Jeep to connect to the gear box. Once the drivetrain's swapped and
I know what brackets and pump I need, I'll finish by changing the steering
gear box. Maybe even a new AGR box.
How's this all sound? Am I tracking right? Am I missing something?
--
o_o_o_o
Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:40855F2F.F0DFFE7E@sympatico.ca...
> What Bill is saying makes sense about mixing 'car' boxes and Jeep boxes.
>
> Someone else here has the same issue, the 'car' box is way too fast.
>
> I really don't know what you should expect mixing them up. The other
> poster sure doesn't like it. I now know what he was complaining about.
> I was thinking he has a camber issue because his steering won't track
> back straight after a turn. Or too short of a pinion arm, but he
> checked and it is the same.
>
> Now it makes more sense, the gear ratio is too tight to allow it to
> track back straight by itself, it has to be pulled back. He was
> grumbling something about ditches and front lawns and lane changes
> faster than you can blink.....
> I would run fluid in the power box if you do decide to use it, even if
> the power isn't there. I would just hook the output to the input with a
> hose clamp.
>
> I don't know what column you are playing with. The Saganaw unit that
> the 80's GM have is exactly the same as the one in my 86 CJ7.
>
> Mike
>
> Drink wrote:
> >
> > Mike,
> > I see that you're up this morning. Feel free to chime in with your
> > thoughts since the question's for anybody with insight.
> > o_o_o_o
> > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > "Drink" <drink@gnt.net> wrote in message
> > news:c63ib0$6dp$1@news.utelfla.com...
> > > Bill,
> > > My manual steering box is shot and I have to replace it urgently.
I'm
> > > converting to a small block Chevy and NV4500 really soon and will
convert
> > to
> > > power steering but don't have the pump/brackets/hoses yet. The
Caprice's
> > > steering box appears the same, only a bit longer since it's power
> > steering.
> > > I'll get a correct box but this is all I have right now.
> > > Can I put in the Caprice's power steering box for now and run it
like a
> > > manual box without hurting the box or struggling without the pump's
> > assist?
> > > Any ideas on how to bypass the pump & reservoir? (I have a 2" body
lift
> > if
> > > that makes a difference.)
> > > I know steering will by fast and touchy but the manual box is just
> > unsafe.
> > > It's adjusted to the point that the nut barely has a thread to hang on
to
> > > and still has about 1/2 a full turn on the steering wheel of play.
Deep
> > > wheel ruts on the road make me fishtail as I steer back and forth to
keep
> > it
> > > under control so I stay under 45mph. When I pulled out of a parking
lot
> > the
> > > other day, something felt like it wanted to bind in the gear. I'm
> > literally
> > > on the verge of a "bind".
> > > I really appreciate any advice I can get 'cause it's my daily driver
4
> > > miles to work.
> > > o_o_o_o
> > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > > news:40819860.D2EF8586@***.net...
> > > > Hi Jim,
> > > > There's a zillion old Jeeps running around with that setup. But
I'd
> > > > really try to keep it with the stock sized box, shafts and column,
it'll
> > > > probably save you time improvising, and a whole lot easier for the
next
> > > > owner. There's also a big difference between passenger and Jeep
steering
> > > > ratios, three turns lock to lock is about twice as fast a Jeep.
> > > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > > >
> > > > Drink wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I have an old tilt steering column (column shift), shaft and
power
> > > > > steering gear box from a Chevy caprice (model unknown but it
looked
> > late
> > > > > 80's to very early 90's). I want to convert to power steering and
the
> > > tilt
> > > > > would nice. I bought a Jeep power steering shaft.
> > > > > Overall, the column is longer than my Jeep and the shaft is much
> > > shorter
> > > > > than my stock. Does anybody know if I can use the Chevy tilt
column
> > and
> > > > > gear box in the Jeep if I have a new power steering shaft?
> > > > > o_o_o_o
> > > > > Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> > > > > Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> > > > > ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> > > > > EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
> > > > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > > > > news:407D7D8D.9F1F0A82@sympatico.ca...
> > > > > > GM uses the same Saganaw steering column so you have a large
choice
> > > for
> > > > > > colors, tilt, etc. at the wreckers..
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mike
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Daudi wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Ah. Yes. My wrangler is a 1987. The cherokee being parted out
is
> > > early
> > > > > > > 90's I believe. I actually haven't asked because the idea just
> > > recently
> > > > > > > occured to me.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Wrangler's use GM steering columns?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Mike Romain wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > You need to give us some years and makes.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Apparently they changed the column from the Saganaw unit
every
> > GM
> > > van,
> > > > > > > > Camaro, Chevette and pickup uses in the mid 90's to
something
> > > else.
> > > > > One
> > > > > > > > person that doesn't usually have accurate info says it was
in
> > 94,
> > > but
> > > > > I
> > > > > > > > would suspect the change was with the TJ, not in the middle
of
> > the
> > > > > > > > production run of the YJ's.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The GM units are a fast easy swap. A couple bolts under the
> > dash,
> > > a
> > > > > > > > couple at the firewall and one spline bolt outside the
firewall.
> > > You
> > > > > > > > pull and out it comes.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Mike
> > > > > > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in
'00
> > > > > > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Daudi wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >>The adjustable steering column in my wrangler is very loose;
> > > sloppy
> > > > > down
> > > > > > > >>in the pivot, the joint. I am worried that it may come apart
> > some
> > > day
> > > > > > > >>when driving.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >>I've had the steering wheel come off a car when driving
(long,
> > > long
> > > > > ago
> > > > > > > >>when we bought cars for $50) but that was easy to put back
on. A
> > > > > > > >>separated U-joint down inside the steering column seems like
it
> > > would
> > > > > be
> > > > > > > >>more difficult to arrange.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >>I can find a steering column from a parting out cherokee.
Are
> > they
> > > > > > > >>interchangable?
> > >
> > >
