Snow-crawl on steep incline--LONG
#101
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Re: Snow-crawl on steep incline--LONG
You 'desert rats' have no idea what it is like to have absolutely 'no'
control at all no matter what you do. LOL!
It is a really spooky feeling just sitting there and the damn vehicle is
going to do what 'it' wants to, no matter how hard you curse at it or
hit pedals!
All you can do is lock it up to attempt to stop or aim it right to the
'correct' ditch and hope it isn't too deep a ditch or too long a walk
out....
We were in those conditions over New Years.....
Mike
Jeff Strickland wrote:
>
> That is not the scenario we were talking about, Bill.
>
> We were talking about a stationary vehicle slipping sideways in the ice.
>
> ABS needs a minimim speed to enable it, then it shuts off when speeds drop
> below another threshold. Effectively meaning that a car must attain a speed
> to set the system, and this speed is higher than the speed at which the
> system knows it won't work effectively anymore, so it shuts down.
>
> And, the topic that started this was a guy telling us how he was not able to
> prevent sliding backwards, and he depressed the clutch pedal in an attempt
> to improve his immediate predicament. Regardless of what his brakes may or
> may not have been able to do for him, removing his engine from the equation
> by depresssing the clutch was the wrong thing to do.
>
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:41E44B1F.38C56F10@***.net...
> > So Jeff, do you believe if you are sliding at eleven miles an hour and
> > release your brakes, ABS will allow you to reapply your brakes if one
> > tire on each axle has no traction?
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Jeff Strickland wrote:
> > >
> > > Matt, despite anything Bill has to say to the contrary, you are right.
> If
> > > you are stopped with all four tires locked up, and the vehicle is
> sliding
> > > anyway, ABS will not change things. ABS drops out at speeds below about
> > > 10mph and allows the brakes to lock up anyway.
control at all no matter what you do. LOL!
It is a really spooky feeling just sitting there and the damn vehicle is
going to do what 'it' wants to, no matter how hard you curse at it or
hit pedals!
All you can do is lock it up to attempt to stop or aim it right to the
'correct' ditch and hope it isn't too deep a ditch or too long a walk
out....
We were in those conditions over New Years.....
Mike
Jeff Strickland wrote:
>
> That is not the scenario we were talking about, Bill.
>
> We were talking about a stationary vehicle slipping sideways in the ice.
>
> ABS needs a minimim speed to enable it, then it shuts off when speeds drop
> below another threshold. Effectively meaning that a car must attain a speed
> to set the system, and this speed is higher than the speed at which the
> system knows it won't work effectively anymore, so it shuts down.
>
> And, the topic that started this was a guy telling us how he was not able to
> prevent sliding backwards, and he depressed the clutch pedal in an attempt
> to improve his immediate predicament. Regardless of what his brakes may or
> may not have been able to do for him, removing his engine from the equation
> by depresssing the clutch was the wrong thing to do.
>
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:41E44B1F.38C56F10@***.net...
> > So Jeff, do you believe if you are sliding at eleven miles an hour and
> > release your brakes, ABS will allow you to reapply your brakes if one
> > tire on each axle has no traction?
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Jeff Strickland wrote:
> > >
> > > Matt, despite anything Bill has to say to the contrary, you are right.
> If
> > > you are stopped with all four tires locked up, and the vehicle is
> sliding
> > > anyway, ABS will not change things. ABS drops out at speeds below about
> > > 10mph and allows the brakes to lock up anyway.
#102
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Posts: n/a
Re: Snow-crawl on steep incline--LONG
You 'desert rats' have no idea what it is like to have absolutely 'no'
control at all no matter what you do. LOL!
It is a really spooky feeling just sitting there and the damn vehicle is
going to do what 'it' wants to, no matter how hard you curse at it or
hit pedals!
All you can do is lock it up to attempt to stop or aim it right to the
'correct' ditch and hope it isn't too deep a ditch or too long a walk
out....
We were in those conditions over New Years.....
Mike
Jeff Strickland wrote:
>
> That is not the scenario we were talking about, Bill.
>
> We were talking about a stationary vehicle slipping sideways in the ice.
>
> ABS needs a minimim speed to enable it, then it shuts off when speeds drop
> below another threshold. Effectively meaning that a car must attain a speed
> to set the system, and this speed is higher than the speed at which the
> system knows it won't work effectively anymore, so it shuts down.
>
> And, the topic that started this was a guy telling us how he was not able to
> prevent sliding backwards, and he depressed the clutch pedal in an attempt
> to improve his immediate predicament. Regardless of what his brakes may or
> may not have been able to do for him, removing his engine from the equation
> by depresssing the clutch was the wrong thing to do.
>
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:41E44B1F.38C56F10@***.net...
> > So Jeff, do you believe if you are sliding at eleven miles an hour and
> > release your brakes, ABS will allow you to reapply your brakes if one
> > tire on each axle has no traction?
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Jeff Strickland wrote:
> > >
> > > Matt, despite anything Bill has to say to the contrary, you are right.
> If
> > > you are stopped with all four tires locked up, and the vehicle is
> sliding
> > > anyway, ABS will not change things. ABS drops out at speeds below about
> > > 10mph and allows the brakes to lock up anyway.
control at all no matter what you do. LOL!
It is a really spooky feeling just sitting there and the damn vehicle is
going to do what 'it' wants to, no matter how hard you curse at it or
hit pedals!
All you can do is lock it up to attempt to stop or aim it right to the
'correct' ditch and hope it isn't too deep a ditch or too long a walk
out....
We were in those conditions over New Years.....
Mike
Jeff Strickland wrote:
>
> That is not the scenario we were talking about, Bill.
>
> We were talking about a stationary vehicle slipping sideways in the ice.
>
> ABS needs a minimim speed to enable it, then it shuts off when speeds drop
> below another threshold. Effectively meaning that a car must attain a speed
> to set the system, and this speed is higher than the speed at which the
> system knows it won't work effectively anymore, so it shuts down.
>
> And, the topic that started this was a guy telling us how he was not able to
> prevent sliding backwards, and he depressed the clutch pedal in an attempt
> to improve his immediate predicament. Regardless of what his brakes may or
> may not have been able to do for him, removing his engine from the equation
> by depresssing the clutch was the wrong thing to do.
>
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:41E44B1F.38C56F10@***.net...
> > So Jeff, do you believe if you are sliding at eleven miles an hour and
> > release your brakes, ABS will allow you to reapply your brakes if one
> > tire on each axle has no traction?
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Jeff Strickland wrote:
> > >
> > > Matt, despite anything Bill has to say to the contrary, you are right.
> If
> > > you are stopped with all four tires locked up, and the vehicle is
> sliding
> > > anyway, ABS will not change things. ABS drops out at speeds below about
> > > 10mph and allows the brakes to lock up anyway.
#103
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Posts: n/a
Re: Snow-crawl on steep incline--LONG
You 'desert rats' have no idea what it is like to have absolutely 'no'
control at all no matter what you do. LOL!
It is a really spooky feeling just sitting there and the damn vehicle is
going to do what 'it' wants to, no matter how hard you curse at it or
hit pedals!
All you can do is lock it up to attempt to stop or aim it right to the
'correct' ditch and hope it isn't too deep a ditch or too long a walk
out....
We were in those conditions over New Years.....
Mike
Jeff Strickland wrote:
>
> That is not the scenario we were talking about, Bill.
>
> We were talking about a stationary vehicle slipping sideways in the ice.
>
> ABS needs a minimim speed to enable it, then it shuts off when speeds drop
> below another threshold. Effectively meaning that a car must attain a speed
> to set the system, and this speed is higher than the speed at which the
> system knows it won't work effectively anymore, so it shuts down.
>
> And, the topic that started this was a guy telling us how he was not able to
> prevent sliding backwards, and he depressed the clutch pedal in an attempt
> to improve his immediate predicament. Regardless of what his brakes may or
> may not have been able to do for him, removing his engine from the equation
> by depresssing the clutch was the wrong thing to do.
>
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:41E44B1F.38C56F10@***.net...
> > So Jeff, do you believe if you are sliding at eleven miles an hour and
> > release your brakes, ABS will allow you to reapply your brakes if one
> > tire on each axle has no traction?
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Jeff Strickland wrote:
> > >
> > > Matt, despite anything Bill has to say to the contrary, you are right.
> If
> > > you are stopped with all four tires locked up, and the vehicle is
> sliding
> > > anyway, ABS will not change things. ABS drops out at speeds below about
> > > 10mph and allows the brakes to lock up anyway.
control at all no matter what you do. LOL!
It is a really spooky feeling just sitting there and the damn vehicle is
going to do what 'it' wants to, no matter how hard you curse at it or
hit pedals!
All you can do is lock it up to attempt to stop or aim it right to the
'correct' ditch and hope it isn't too deep a ditch or too long a walk
out....
We were in those conditions over New Years.....
Mike
Jeff Strickland wrote:
>
> That is not the scenario we were talking about, Bill.
>
> We were talking about a stationary vehicle slipping sideways in the ice.
>
> ABS needs a minimim speed to enable it, then it shuts off when speeds drop
> below another threshold. Effectively meaning that a car must attain a speed
> to set the system, and this speed is higher than the speed at which the
> system knows it won't work effectively anymore, so it shuts down.
>
> And, the topic that started this was a guy telling us how he was not able to
> prevent sliding backwards, and he depressed the clutch pedal in an attempt
> to improve his immediate predicament. Regardless of what his brakes may or
> may not have been able to do for him, removing his engine from the equation
> by depresssing the clutch was the wrong thing to do.
>
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:41E44B1F.38C56F10@***.net...
> > So Jeff, do you believe if you are sliding at eleven miles an hour and
> > release your brakes, ABS will allow you to reapply your brakes if one
> > tire on each axle has no traction?
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Jeff Strickland wrote:
> > >
> > > Matt, despite anything Bill has to say to the contrary, you are right.
> If
> > > you are stopped with all four tires locked up, and the vehicle is
> sliding
> > > anyway, ABS will not change things. ABS drops out at speeds below about
> > > 10mph and allows the brakes to lock up anyway.
#104
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Re: Snow-crawl on steep incline--LONG
Hear hear...
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:41E45C92.41B8A9A1@sympatico.ca...
> You 'desert rats' have no idea what it is like to have absolutely 'no'
> control at all no matter what you do. LOL!
>
> It is a really spooky feeling just sitting there and the damn vehicle is
> going to do what 'it' wants to, no matter how hard you curse at it or
> hit pedals!
>
> All you can do is lock it up to attempt to stop or aim it right to the
> 'correct' ditch and hope it isn't too deep a ditch or too long a walk
> out....
>
> We were in those conditions over New Years.....
>
> Mike
>
> Jeff Strickland wrote:
> >
> > That is not the scenario we were talking about, Bill.
> >
> > We were talking about a stationary vehicle slipping sideways in the ice.
> >
> > ABS needs a minimim speed to enable it, then it shuts off when speeds
drop
> > below another threshold. Effectively meaning that a car must attain a
speed
> > to set the system, and this speed is higher than the speed at which the
> > system knows it won't work effectively anymore, so it shuts down.
> >
> > And, the topic that started this was a guy telling us how he was not
able to
> > prevent sliding backwards, and he depressed the clutch pedal in an
attempt
> > to improve his immediate predicament. Regardless of what his brakes may
or
> > may not have been able to do for him, removing his engine from the
equation
> > by depresssing the clutch was the wrong thing to do.
> >
> > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:41E44B1F.38C56F10@***.net...
> > > So Jeff, do you believe if you are sliding at eleven miles an hour and
> > > release your brakes, ABS will allow you to reapply your brakes if one
> > > tire on each axle has no traction?
> > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > >
> > > Jeff Strickland wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Matt, despite anything Bill has to say to the contrary, you are
right.
> > If
> > > > you are stopped with all four tires locked up, and the vehicle is
> > sliding
> > > > anyway, ABS will not change things. ABS drops out at speeds below
about
> > > > 10mph and allows the brakes to lock up anyway.
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:41E45C92.41B8A9A1@sympatico.ca...
> You 'desert rats' have no idea what it is like to have absolutely 'no'
> control at all no matter what you do. LOL!
>
> It is a really spooky feeling just sitting there and the damn vehicle is
> going to do what 'it' wants to, no matter how hard you curse at it or
> hit pedals!
>
> All you can do is lock it up to attempt to stop or aim it right to the
> 'correct' ditch and hope it isn't too deep a ditch or too long a walk
> out....
>
> We were in those conditions over New Years.....
>
> Mike
>
> Jeff Strickland wrote:
> >
> > That is not the scenario we were talking about, Bill.
> >
> > We were talking about a stationary vehicle slipping sideways in the ice.
> >
> > ABS needs a minimim speed to enable it, then it shuts off when speeds
drop
> > below another threshold. Effectively meaning that a car must attain a
speed
> > to set the system, and this speed is higher than the speed at which the
> > system knows it won't work effectively anymore, so it shuts down.
> >
> > And, the topic that started this was a guy telling us how he was not
able to
> > prevent sliding backwards, and he depressed the clutch pedal in an
attempt
> > to improve his immediate predicament. Regardless of what his brakes may
or
> > may not have been able to do for him, removing his engine from the
equation
> > by depresssing the clutch was the wrong thing to do.
> >
> > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:41E44B1F.38C56F10@***.net...
> > > So Jeff, do you believe if you are sliding at eleven miles an hour and
> > > release your brakes, ABS will allow you to reapply your brakes if one
> > > tire on each axle has no traction?
> > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > >
> > > Jeff Strickland wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Matt, despite anything Bill has to say to the contrary, you are
right.
> > If
> > > > you are stopped with all four tires locked up, and the vehicle is
> > sliding
> > > > anyway, ABS will not change things. ABS drops out at speeds below
about
> > > > 10mph and allows the brakes to lock up anyway.
#105
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Posts: n/a
Re: Snow-crawl on steep incline--LONG
Hear hear...
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:41E45C92.41B8A9A1@sympatico.ca...
> You 'desert rats' have no idea what it is like to have absolutely 'no'
> control at all no matter what you do. LOL!
>
> It is a really spooky feeling just sitting there and the damn vehicle is
> going to do what 'it' wants to, no matter how hard you curse at it or
> hit pedals!
>
> All you can do is lock it up to attempt to stop or aim it right to the
> 'correct' ditch and hope it isn't too deep a ditch or too long a walk
> out....
>
> We were in those conditions over New Years.....
>
> Mike
>
> Jeff Strickland wrote:
> >
> > That is not the scenario we were talking about, Bill.
> >
> > We were talking about a stationary vehicle slipping sideways in the ice.
> >
> > ABS needs a minimim speed to enable it, then it shuts off when speeds
drop
> > below another threshold. Effectively meaning that a car must attain a
speed
> > to set the system, and this speed is higher than the speed at which the
> > system knows it won't work effectively anymore, so it shuts down.
> >
> > And, the topic that started this was a guy telling us how he was not
able to
> > prevent sliding backwards, and he depressed the clutch pedal in an
attempt
> > to improve his immediate predicament. Regardless of what his brakes may
or
> > may not have been able to do for him, removing his engine from the
equation
> > by depresssing the clutch was the wrong thing to do.
> >
> > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:41E44B1F.38C56F10@***.net...
> > > So Jeff, do you believe if you are sliding at eleven miles an hour and
> > > release your brakes, ABS will allow you to reapply your brakes if one
> > > tire on each axle has no traction?
> > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > >
> > > Jeff Strickland wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Matt, despite anything Bill has to say to the contrary, you are
right.
> > If
> > > > you are stopped with all four tires locked up, and the vehicle is
> > sliding
> > > > anyway, ABS will not change things. ABS drops out at speeds below
about
> > > > 10mph and allows the brakes to lock up anyway.
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:41E45C92.41B8A9A1@sympatico.ca...
> You 'desert rats' have no idea what it is like to have absolutely 'no'
> control at all no matter what you do. LOL!
>
> It is a really spooky feeling just sitting there and the damn vehicle is
> going to do what 'it' wants to, no matter how hard you curse at it or
> hit pedals!
>
> All you can do is lock it up to attempt to stop or aim it right to the
> 'correct' ditch and hope it isn't too deep a ditch or too long a walk
> out....
>
> We were in those conditions over New Years.....
>
> Mike
>
> Jeff Strickland wrote:
> >
> > That is not the scenario we were talking about, Bill.
> >
> > We were talking about a stationary vehicle slipping sideways in the ice.
> >
> > ABS needs a minimim speed to enable it, then it shuts off when speeds
drop
> > below another threshold. Effectively meaning that a car must attain a
speed
> > to set the system, and this speed is higher than the speed at which the
> > system knows it won't work effectively anymore, so it shuts down.
> >
> > And, the topic that started this was a guy telling us how he was not
able to
> > prevent sliding backwards, and he depressed the clutch pedal in an
attempt
> > to improve his immediate predicament. Regardless of what his brakes may
or
> > may not have been able to do for him, removing his engine from the
equation
> > by depresssing the clutch was the wrong thing to do.
> >
> > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:41E44B1F.38C56F10@***.net...
> > > So Jeff, do you believe if you are sliding at eleven miles an hour and
> > > release your brakes, ABS will allow you to reapply your brakes if one
> > > tire on each axle has no traction?
> > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > >
> > > Jeff Strickland wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Matt, despite anything Bill has to say to the contrary, you are
right.
> > If
> > > > you are stopped with all four tires locked up, and the vehicle is
> > sliding
> > > > anyway, ABS will not change things. ABS drops out at speeds below
about
> > > > 10mph and allows the brakes to lock up anyway.
#106
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Snow-crawl on steep incline--LONG
Hear hear...
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:41E45C92.41B8A9A1@sympatico.ca...
> You 'desert rats' have no idea what it is like to have absolutely 'no'
> control at all no matter what you do. LOL!
>
> It is a really spooky feeling just sitting there and the damn vehicle is
> going to do what 'it' wants to, no matter how hard you curse at it or
> hit pedals!
>
> All you can do is lock it up to attempt to stop or aim it right to the
> 'correct' ditch and hope it isn't too deep a ditch or too long a walk
> out....
>
> We were in those conditions over New Years.....
>
> Mike
>
> Jeff Strickland wrote:
> >
> > That is not the scenario we were talking about, Bill.
> >
> > We were talking about a stationary vehicle slipping sideways in the ice.
> >
> > ABS needs a minimim speed to enable it, then it shuts off when speeds
drop
> > below another threshold. Effectively meaning that a car must attain a
speed
> > to set the system, and this speed is higher than the speed at which the
> > system knows it won't work effectively anymore, so it shuts down.
> >
> > And, the topic that started this was a guy telling us how he was not
able to
> > prevent sliding backwards, and he depressed the clutch pedal in an
attempt
> > to improve his immediate predicament. Regardless of what his brakes may
or
> > may not have been able to do for him, removing his engine from the
equation
> > by depresssing the clutch was the wrong thing to do.
> >
> > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:41E44B1F.38C56F10@***.net...
> > > So Jeff, do you believe if you are sliding at eleven miles an hour and
> > > release your brakes, ABS will allow you to reapply your brakes if one
> > > tire on each axle has no traction?
> > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > >
> > > Jeff Strickland wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Matt, despite anything Bill has to say to the contrary, you are
right.
> > If
> > > > you are stopped with all four tires locked up, and the vehicle is
> > sliding
> > > > anyway, ABS will not change things. ABS drops out at speeds below
about
> > > > 10mph and allows the brakes to lock up anyway.
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:41E45C92.41B8A9A1@sympatico.ca...
> You 'desert rats' have no idea what it is like to have absolutely 'no'
> control at all no matter what you do. LOL!
>
> It is a really spooky feeling just sitting there and the damn vehicle is
> going to do what 'it' wants to, no matter how hard you curse at it or
> hit pedals!
>
> All you can do is lock it up to attempt to stop or aim it right to the
> 'correct' ditch and hope it isn't too deep a ditch or too long a walk
> out....
>
> We were in those conditions over New Years.....
>
> Mike
>
> Jeff Strickland wrote:
> >
> > That is not the scenario we were talking about, Bill.
> >
> > We were talking about a stationary vehicle slipping sideways in the ice.
> >
> > ABS needs a minimim speed to enable it, then it shuts off when speeds
drop
> > below another threshold. Effectively meaning that a car must attain a
speed
> > to set the system, and this speed is higher than the speed at which the
> > system knows it won't work effectively anymore, so it shuts down.
> >
> > And, the topic that started this was a guy telling us how he was not
able to
> > prevent sliding backwards, and he depressed the clutch pedal in an
attempt
> > to improve his immediate predicament. Regardless of what his brakes may
or
> > may not have been able to do for him, removing his engine from the
equation
> > by depresssing the clutch was the wrong thing to do.
> >
> > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > news:41E44B1F.38C56F10@***.net...
> > > So Jeff, do you believe if you are sliding at eleven miles an hour and
> > > release your brakes, ABS will allow you to reapply your brakes if one
> > > tire on each axle has no traction?
> > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > >
> > > Jeff Strickland wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Matt, despite anything Bill has to say to the contrary, you are
right.
> > If
> > > > you are stopped with all four tires locked up, and the vehicle is
> > sliding
> > > > anyway, ABS will not change things. ABS drops out at speeds below
about
> > > > 10mph and allows the brakes to lock up anyway.
#107
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Posts: n/a
Re: Snow-crawl on steep incline--LONG
There's a spot here in Az. called 'the sluice' It involves a tight left
turn, with a boulder ledge above you, and a gravel sluice headed at a very
steep grade downhill. At the bottom of the hill, is, well..nothing. About a
200 foot drop straight down? The procedure here is, make the tight left
over the hump, the front end of your jeep slams down, and your back roll bar
nails the overhanging boulder... from there it's pretty much an uncontrolled
slide down the sluice on the gravel and you hope to hell you can make the
tight right turn at the end without going over the cliff. I did it once,
won't do it again...
Nick
--
http://members.***.net/nnote/
"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:OsidnUlz6t4kwnncRVn-uQ@comcast.com...
> Hear hear...
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:41E45C92.41B8A9A1@sympatico.ca...
> > You 'desert rats' have no idea what it is like to have absolutely 'no'
> > control at all no matter what you do. LOL!
> >
> > It is a really spooky feeling just sitting there and the damn vehicle is
> > going to do what 'it' wants to, no matter how hard you curse at it or
> > hit pedals!
> >
> > All you can do is lock it up to attempt to stop or aim it right to the
> > 'correct' ditch and hope it isn't too deep a ditch or too long a walk
> > out....
> >
> > We were in those conditions over New Years.....
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Jeff Strickland wrote:
> > >
> > > That is not the scenario we were talking about, Bill.
> > >
> > > We were talking about a stationary vehicle slipping sideways in the
ice.
> > >
> > > ABS needs a minimim speed to enable it, then it shuts off when speeds
> drop
> > > below another threshold. Effectively meaning that a car must attain a
> speed
> > > to set the system, and this speed is higher than the speed at which
the
> > > system knows it won't work effectively anymore, so it shuts down.
> > >
> > > And, the topic that started this was a guy telling us how he was not
> able to
> > > prevent sliding backwards, and he depressed the clutch pedal in an
> attempt
> > > to improve his immediate predicament. Regardless of what his brakes
may
> or
> > > may not have been able to do for him, removing his engine from the
> equation
> > > by depresssing the clutch was the wrong thing to do.
> > >
> > > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > > news:41E44B1F.38C56F10@***.net...
> > > > So Jeff, do you believe if you are sliding at eleven miles an hour
and
> > > > release your brakes, ABS will allow you to reapply your brakes if
one
> > > > tire on each axle has no traction?
> > > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > > >
> > > > Jeff Strickland wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Matt, despite anything Bill has to say to the contrary, you are
> right.
> > > If
> > > > > you are stopped with all four tires locked up, and the vehicle is
> > > sliding
> > > > > anyway, ABS will not change things. ABS drops out at speeds below
> about
> > > > > 10mph and allows the brakes to lock up anyway.
>
>
turn, with a boulder ledge above you, and a gravel sluice headed at a very
steep grade downhill. At the bottom of the hill, is, well..nothing. About a
200 foot drop straight down? The procedure here is, make the tight left
over the hump, the front end of your jeep slams down, and your back roll bar
nails the overhanging boulder... from there it's pretty much an uncontrolled
slide down the sluice on the gravel and you hope to hell you can make the
tight right turn at the end without going over the cliff. I did it once,
won't do it again...
Nick
--
http://members.***.net/nnote/
"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:OsidnUlz6t4kwnncRVn-uQ@comcast.com...
> Hear hear...
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:41E45C92.41B8A9A1@sympatico.ca...
> > You 'desert rats' have no idea what it is like to have absolutely 'no'
> > control at all no matter what you do. LOL!
> >
> > It is a really spooky feeling just sitting there and the damn vehicle is
> > going to do what 'it' wants to, no matter how hard you curse at it or
> > hit pedals!
> >
> > All you can do is lock it up to attempt to stop or aim it right to the
> > 'correct' ditch and hope it isn't too deep a ditch or too long a walk
> > out....
> >
> > We were in those conditions over New Years.....
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Jeff Strickland wrote:
> > >
> > > That is not the scenario we were talking about, Bill.
> > >
> > > We were talking about a stationary vehicle slipping sideways in the
ice.
> > >
> > > ABS needs a minimim speed to enable it, then it shuts off when speeds
> drop
> > > below another threshold. Effectively meaning that a car must attain a
> speed
> > > to set the system, and this speed is higher than the speed at which
the
> > > system knows it won't work effectively anymore, so it shuts down.
> > >
> > > And, the topic that started this was a guy telling us how he was not
> able to
> > > prevent sliding backwards, and he depressed the clutch pedal in an
> attempt
> > > to improve his immediate predicament. Regardless of what his brakes
may
> or
> > > may not have been able to do for him, removing his engine from the
> equation
> > > by depresssing the clutch was the wrong thing to do.
> > >
> > > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > > news:41E44B1F.38C56F10@***.net...
> > > > So Jeff, do you believe if you are sliding at eleven miles an hour
and
> > > > release your brakes, ABS will allow you to reapply your brakes if
one
> > > > tire on each axle has no traction?
> > > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > > >
> > > > Jeff Strickland wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Matt, despite anything Bill has to say to the contrary, you are
> right.
> > > If
> > > > > you are stopped with all four tires locked up, and the vehicle is
> > > sliding
> > > > > anyway, ABS will not change things. ABS drops out at speeds below
> about
> > > > > 10mph and allows the brakes to lock up anyway.
>
>
#108
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Snow-crawl on steep incline--LONG
There's a spot here in Az. called 'the sluice' It involves a tight left
turn, with a boulder ledge above you, and a gravel sluice headed at a very
steep grade downhill. At the bottom of the hill, is, well..nothing. About a
200 foot drop straight down? The procedure here is, make the tight left
over the hump, the front end of your jeep slams down, and your back roll bar
nails the overhanging boulder... from there it's pretty much an uncontrolled
slide down the sluice on the gravel and you hope to hell you can make the
tight right turn at the end without going over the cliff. I did it once,
won't do it again...
Nick
--
http://members.***.net/nnote/
"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:OsidnUlz6t4kwnncRVn-uQ@comcast.com...
> Hear hear...
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:41E45C92.41B8A9A1@sympatico.ca...
> > You 'desert rats' have no idea what it is like to have absolutely 'no'
> > control at all no matter what you do. LOL!
> >
> > It is a really spooky feeling just sitting there and the damn vehicle is
> > going to do what 'it' wants to, no matter how hard you curse at it or
> > hit pedals!
> >
> > All you can do is lock it up to attempt to stop or aim it right to the
> > 'correct' ditch and hope it isn't too deep a ditch or too long a walk
> > out....
> >
> > We were in those conditions over New Years.....
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Jeff Strickland wrote:
> > >
> > > That is not the scenario we were talking about, Bill.
> > >
> > > We were talking about a stationary vehicle slipping sideways in the
ice.
> > >
> > > ABS needs a minimim speed to enable it, then it shuts off when speeds
> drop
> > > below another threshold. Effectively meaning that a car must attain a
> speed
> > > to set the system, and this speed is higher than the speed at which
the
> > > system knows it won't work effectively anymore, so it shuts down.
> > >
> > > And, the topic that started this was a guy telling us how he was not
> able to
> > > prevent sliding backwards, and he depressed the clutch pedal in an
> attempt
> > > to improve his immediate predicament. Regardless of what his brakes
may
> or
> > > may not have been able to do for him, removing his engine from the
> equation
> > > by depresssing the clutch was the wrong thing to do.
> > >
> > > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > > news:41E44B1F.38C56F10@***.net...
> > > > So Jeff, do you believe if you are sliding at eleven miles an hour
and
> > > > release your brakes, ABS will allow you to reapply your brakes if
one
> > > > tire on each axle has no traction?
> > > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > > >
> > > > Jeff Strickland wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Matt, despite anything Bill has to say to the contrary, you are
> right.
> > > If
> > > > > you are stopped with all four tires locked up, and the vehicle is
> > > sliding
> > > > > anyway, ABS will not change things. ABS drops out at speeds below
> about
> > > > > 10mph and allows the brakes to lock up anyway.
>
>
turn, with a boulder ledge above you, and a gravel sluice headed at a very
steep grade downhill. At the bottom of the hill, is, well..nothing. About a
200 foot drop straight down? The procedure here is, make the tight left
over the hump, the front end of your jeep slams down, and your back roll bar
nails the overhanging boulder... from there it's pretty much an uncontrolled
slide down the sluice on the gravel and you hope to hell you can make the
tight right turn at the end without going over the cliff. I did it once,
won't do it again...
Nick
--
http://members.***.net/nnote/
"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:OsidnUlz6t4kwnncRVn-uQ@comcast.com...
> Hear hear...
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:41E45C92.41B8A9A1@sympatico.ca...
> > You 'desert rats' have no idea what it is like to have absolutely 'no'
> > control at all no matter what you do. LOL!
> >
> > It is a really spooky feeling just sitting there and the damn vehicle is
> > going to do what 'it' wants to, no matter how hard you curse at it or
> > hit pedals!
> >
> > All you can do is lock it up to attempt to stop or aim it right to the
> > 'correct' ditch and hope it isn't too deep a ditch or too long a walk
> > out....
> >
> > We were in those conditions over New Years.....
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Jeff Strickland wrote:
> > >
> > > That is not the scenario we were talking about, Bill.
> > >
> > > We were talking about a stationary vehicle slipping sideways in the
ice.
> > >
> > > ABS needs a minimim speed to enable it, then it shuts off when speeds
> drop
> > > below another threshold. Effectively meaning that a car must attain a
> speed
> > > to set the system, and this speed is higher than the speed at which
the
> > > system knows it won't work effectively anymore, so it shuts down.
> > >
> > > And, the topic that started this was a guy telling us how he was not
> able to
> > > prevent sliding backwards, and he depressed the clutch pedal in an
> attempt
> > > to improve his immediate predicament. Regardless of what his brakes
may
> or
> > > may not have been able to do for him, removing his engine from the
> equation
> > > by depresssing the clutch was the wrong thing to do.
> > >
> > > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > > news:41E44B1F.38C56F10@***.net...
> > > > So Jeff, do you believe if you are sliding at eleven miles an hour
and
> > > > release your brakes, ABS will allow you to reapply your brakes if
one
> > > > tire on each axle has no traction?
> > > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > > >
> > > > Jeff Strickland wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Matt, despite anything Bill has to say to the contrary, you are
> right.
> > > If
> > > > > you are stopped with all four tires locked up, and the vehicle is
> > > sliding
> > > > > anyway, ABS will not change things. ABS drops out at speeds below
> about
> > > > > 10mph and allows the brakes to lock up anyway.
>
>
#109
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Snow-crawl on steep incline--LONG
There's a spot here in Az. called 'the sluice' It involves a tight left
turn, with a boulder ledge above you, and a gravel sluice headed at a very
steep grade downhill. At the bottom of the hill, is, well..nothing. About a
200 foot drop straight down? The procedure here is, make the tight left
over the hump, the front end of your jeep slams down, and your back roll bar
nails the overhanging boulder... from there it's pretty much an uncontrolled
slide down the sluice on the gravel and you hope to hell you can make the
tight right turn at the end without going over the cliff. I did it once,
won't do it again...
Nick
--
http://members.***.net/nnote/
"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:OsidnUlz6t4kwnncRVn-uQ@comcast.com...
> Hear hear...
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:41E45C92.41B8A9A1@sympatico.ca...
> > You 'desert rats' have no idea what it is like to have absolutely 'no'
> > control at all no matter what you do. LOL!
> >
> > It is a really spooky feeling just sitting there and the damn vehicle is
> > going to do what 'it' wants to, no matter how hard you curse at it or
> > hit pedals!
> >
> > All you can do is lock it up to attempt to stop or aim it right to the
> > 'correct' ditch and hope it isn't too deep a ditch or too long a walk
> > out....
> >
> > We were in those conditions over New Years.....
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Jeff Strickland wrote:
> > >
> > > That is not the scenario we were talking about, Bill.
> > >
> > > We were talking about a stationary vehicle slipping sideways in the
ice.
> > >
> > > ABS needs a minimim speed to enable it, then it shuts off when speeds
> drop
> > > below another threshold. Effectively meaning that a car must attain a
> speed
> > > to set the system, and this speed is higher than the speed at which
the
> > > system knows it won't work effectively anymore, so it shuts down.
> > >
> > > And, the topic that started this was a guy telling us how he was not
> able to
> > > prevent sliding backwards, and he depressed the clutch pedal in an
> attempt
> > > to improve his immediate predicament. Regardless of what his brakes
may
> or
> > > may not have been able to do for him, removing his engine from the
> equation
> > > by depresssing the clutch was the wrong thing to do.
> > >
> > > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > > news:41E44B1F.38C56F10@***.net...
> > > > So Jeff, do you believe if you are sliding at eleven miles an hour
and
> > > > release your brakes, ABS will allow you to reapply your brakes if
one
> > > > tire on each axle has no traction?
> > > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > > >
> > > > Jeff Strickland wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Matt, despite anything Bill has to say to the contrary, you are
> right.
> > > If
> > > > > you are stopped with all four tires locked up, and the vehicle is
> > > sliding
> > > > > anyway, ABS will not change things. ABS drops out at speeds below
> about
> > > > > 10mph and allows the brakes to lock up anyway.
>
>
turn, with a boulder ledge above you, and a gravel sluice headed at a very
steep grade downhill. At the bottom of the hill, is, well..nothing. About a
200 foot drop straight down? The procedure here is, make the tight left
over the hump, the front end of your jeep slams down, and your back roll bar
nails the overhanging boulder... from there it's pretty much an uncontrolled
slide down the sluice on the gravel and you hope to hell you can make the
tight right turn at the end without going over the cliff. I did it once,
won't do it again...
Nick
--
http://members.***.net/nnote/
"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:OsidnUlz6t4kwnncRVn-uQ@comcast.com...
> Hear hear...
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:41E45C92.41B8A9A1@sympatico.ca...
> > You 'desert rats' have no idea what it is like to have absolutely 'no'
> > control at all no matter what you do. LOL!
> >
> > It is a really spooky feeling just sitting there and the damn vehicle is
> > going to do what 'it' wants to, no matter how hard you curse at it or
> > hit pedals!
> >
> > All you can do is lock it up to attempt to stop or aim it right to the
> > 'correct' ditch and hope it isn't too deep a ditch or too long a walk
> > out....
> >
> > We were in those conditions over New Years.....
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Jeff Strickland wrote:
> > >
> > > That is not the scenario we were talking about, Bill.
> > >
> > > We were talking about a stationary vehicle slipping sideways in the
ice.
> > >
> > > ABS needs a minimim speed to enable it, then it shuts off when speeds
> drop
> > > below another threshold. Effectively meaning that a car must attain a
> speed
> > > to set the system, and this speed is higher than the speed at which
the
> > > system knows it won't work effectively anymore, so it shuts down.
> > >
> > > And, the topic that started this was a guy telling us how he was not
> able to
> > > prevent sliding backwards, and he depressed the clutch pedal in an
> attempt
> > > to improve his immediate predicament. Regardless of what his brakes
may
> or
> > > may not have been able to do for him, removing his engine from the
> equation
> > > by depresssing the clutch was the wrong thing to do.
> > >
> > > "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> > > news:41E44B1F.38C56F10@***.net...
> > > > So Jeff, do you believe if you are sliding at eleven miles an hour
and
> > > > release your brakes, ABS will allow you to reapply your brakes if
one
> > > > tire on each axle has no traction?
> > > > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > > > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> > > >
> > > > Jeff Strickland wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Matt, despite anything Bill has to say to the contrary, you are
> right.
> > > If
> > > > > you are stopped with all four tires locked up, and the vehicle is
> > > sliding
> > > > > anyway, ABS will not change things. ABS drops out at speeds below
> about
> > > > > 10mph and allows the brakes to lock up anyway.
>
>
#110
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Snow-crawl on steep incline--LONG
Neutral or clutch depressed is a very bad idea. You have MUCH more control
descending a hill while in gear, in 4-Lo. That way the front and rear axels
are locked together, so when you feather the brakes, both axels will get
equal braking power. In 4-Lo, the engine will do most of the braking for
you.
The front brakes are much more powerful, so feathering the brakes while in
the transmission is in neutral and the transfer case is in 4-Hi or neutral,
will apply almost all of the braking power to the fronts and almost none to
the rears.
If you have drums in the rear as most TJ's do, the rear brakes offer very
little stopping power while descending a hill in reverse. Drum brakes have a
"self energizing" action that makes them work better while braking in a
forward motion. The brake shoes are "jammed" into the drums harder while
braking in a forward motion.
Tom
"Rich Hampel" <RhmpL33@nospam.net> wrote in message
news:110120051251586525%RhmpL33@nospam.net...
> An alternative is to put it in neutral and feather the brakes. ....
> this requires that the brakes are well set-up and 'equal' front to
> rear.
> Works well on solid 'black' ice as well as hardpack snow.
>
descending a hill while in gear, in 4-Lo. That way the front and rear axels
are locked together, so when you feather the brakes, both axels will get
equal braking power. In 4-Lo, the engine will do most of the braking for
you.
The front brakes are much more powerful, so feathering the brakes while in
the transmission is in neutral and the transfer case is in 4-Hi or neutral,
will apply almost all of the braking power to the fronts and almost none to
the rears.
If you have drums in the rear as most TJ's do, the rear brakes offer very
little stopping power while descending a hill in reverse. Drum brakes have a
"self energizing" action that makes them work better while braking in a
forward motion. The brake shoes are "jammed" into the drums harder while
braking in a forward motion.
Tom
"Rich Hampel" <RhmpL33@nospam.net> wrote in message
news:110120051251586525%RhmpL33@nospam.net...
> An alternative is to put it in neutral and feather the brakes. ....
> this requires that the brakes are well set-up and 'equal' front to
> rear.
> Works well on solid 'black' ice as well as hardpack snow.
>