Snow-crawl on steep incline--LONG
01-10-2005, 03:53 PM
#41
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Re: Snow-crawl on steep incline--LONG
Man I hate that feeling. Going backward with no hope of stopping the
thing no matter what. I just get it in gear and hope for the best
sometimes....
I have had a looong walk because of that kind of ice base.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> Actually, I can't remember, but it didn't matter...all four wheels weren't
> moving so as far as the ABS knew I was parked.
>
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:41E2E4EF.76BC24B2@***.net...
> > Hi Matt,
> > Of course you pull the fuse.
> > I drive fifty miles east to play in the snow. Only we chain up:
> > http://www.----------.com/snowchains.jpg to drive up the icy spots. One
> > our favorite snow runs:
> > http://www.valleycenter.com/frontpage/nategrade1.htm
> > It's fun watching our TV news, as you people slide into each other.
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:--------------------
> >
> > Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> > >
> > > Ever driven up a hill covered with wet, packed snow, Jeff? I was riding
> a
> > > trail recently on such conditions with about 7 jeeps ahead of me. Once I
> got
> > > to the hill, the snow had packed considerably and was fairly slick, but
> not
> > > terribly steep, I had enough traction to inch up the hill. But when I
> had to
> > > stop just shy of the top, I could feel myself slowly inching down, even
> with
> > > my foot on the brake. (And no, Bill or Mike, the ABS was not
> activating.) It
> > > was sliding just about half a foot per second, so I had enough time to
> radio
> > > to the fellow behind me to get out of the way. I couldn't get enough
> > > traction to get back up at that point, so my only choice was to slide
> all
> > > the way back down and have another go. Spinning the wheels just makes a
> > > situation like that worse...the tires melt a layer of snow and so now
> you
> > > have a water-slicked layer of snow that won't give any traction at all.
> > >
> > > Assuming there is any traction to be had, and on a snow-packed slick
> incline
> > > ther is almost zero. if the snow isn't too deep, taller and narrow tires
> > > will work better, especially on the street, but for really deep stuff,
> if
> > > it's firm enough you *can* float on top, or at least not sink all the
> way to
> > > your frame. However, spin your tires once and you literally get that
> sinking
> > > feeling...the jeep just drops and there you are, with your jeep doing an
> > > impersonation of an igloo.
thing no matter what. I just get it in gear and hope for the best
sometimes....
I have had a looong walk because of that kind of ice base.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> Actually, I can't remember, but it didn't matter...all four wheels weren't
> moving so as far as the ABS knew I was parked.
>
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:41E2E4EF.76BC24B2@***.net...
> > Hi Matt,
> > Of course you pull the fuse.
> > I drive fifty miles east to play in the snow. Only we chain up:
> > http://www.----------.com/snowchains.jpg to drive up the icy spots. One
> > our favorite snow runs:
> > http://www.valleycenter.com/frontpage/nategrade1.htm
> > It's fun watching our TV news, as you people slide into each other.
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:--------------------
> >
> > Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> > >
> > > Ever driven up a hill covered with wet, packed snow, Jeff? I was riding
> a
> > > trail recently on such conditions with about 7 jeeps ahead of me. Once I
> got
> > > to the hill, the snow had packed considerably and was fairly slick, but
> not
> > > terribly steep, I had enough traction to inch up the hill. But when I
> had to
> > > stop just shy of the top, I could feel myself slowly inching down, even
> with
> > > my foot on the brake. (And no, Bill or Mike, the ABS was not
> activating.) It
> > > was sliding just about half a foot per second, so I had enough time to
> radio
> > > to the fellow behind me to get out of the way. I couldn't get enough
> > > traction to get back up at that point, so my only choice was to slide
> all
> > > the way back down and have another go. Spinning the wheels just makes a
> > > situation like that worse...the tires melt a layer of snow and so now
> you
> > > have a water-slicked layer of snow that won't give any traction at all.
> > >
> > > Assuming there is any traction to be had, and on a snow-packed slick
> incline
> > > ther is almost zero. if the snow isn't too deep, taller and narrow tires
> > > will work better, especially on the street, but for really deep stuff,
> if
> > > it's firm enough you *can* float on top, or at least not sink all the
> way to
> > > your frame. However, spin your tires once and you literally get that
> sinking
> > > feeling...the jeep just drops and there you are, with your jeep doing an
> > > impersonation of an igloo.
01-10-2005, 03:53 PM
#42
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Posts: n/a
Re: Snow-crawl on steep incline--LONG
Man I hate that feeling. Going backward with no hope of stopping the
thing no matter what. I just get it in gear and hope for the best
sometimes....
I have had a looong walk because of that kind of ice base.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> Actually, I can't remember, but it didn't matter...all four wheels weren't
> moving so as far as the ABS knew I was parked.
>
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:41E2E4EF.76BC24B2@***.net...
> > Hi Matt,
> > Of course you pull the fuse.
> > I drive fifty miles east to play in the snow. Only we chain up:
> > http://www.----------.com/snowchains.jpg to drive up the icy spots. One
> > our favorite snow runs:
> > http://www.valleycenter.com/frontpage/nategrade1.htm
> > It's fun watching our TV news, as you people slide into each other.
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:--------------------
> >
> > Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> > >
> > > Ever driven up a hill covered with wet, packed snow, Jeff? I was riding
> a
> > > trail recently on such conditions with about 7 jeeps ahead of me. Once I
> got
> > > to the hill, the snow had packed considerably and was fairly slick, but
> not
> > > terribly steep, I had enough traction to inch up the hill. But when I
> had to
> > > stop just shy of the top, I could feel myself slowly inching down, even
> with
> > > my foot on the brake. (And no, Bill or Mike, the ABS was not
> activating.) It
> > > was sliding just about half a foot per second, so I had enough time to
> radio
> > > to the fellow behind me to get out of the way. I couldn't get enough
> > > traction to get back up at that point, so my only choice was to slide
> all
> > > the way back down and have another go. Spinning the wheels just makes a
> > > situation like that worse...the tires melt a layer of snow and so now
> you
> > > have a water-slicked layer of snow that won't give any traction at all.
> > >
> > > Assuming there is any traction to be had, and on a snow-packed slick
> incline
> > > ther is almost zero. if the snow isn't too deep, taller and narrow tires
> > > will work better, especially on the street, but for really deep stuff,
> if
> > > it's firm enough you *can* float on top, or at least not sink all the
> way to
> > > your frame. However, spin your tires once and you literally get that
> sinking
> > > feeling...the jeep just drops and there you are, with your jeep doing an
> > > impersonation of an igloo.
thing no matter what. I just get it in gear and hope for the best
sometimes....
I have had a looong walk because of that kind of ice base.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> Actually, I can't remember, but it didn't matter...all four wheels weren't
> moving so as far as the ABS knew I was parked.
>
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:41E2E4EF.76BC24B2@***.net...
> > Hi Matt,
> > Of course you pull the fuse.
> > I drive fifty miles east to play in the snow. Only we chain up:
> > http://www.----------.com/snowchains.jpg to drive up the icy spots. One
> > our favorite snow runs:
> > http://www.valleycenter.com/frontpage/nategrade1.htm
> > It's fun watching our TV news, as you people slide into each other.
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:--------------------
> >
> > Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> > >
> > > Ever driven up a hill covered with wet, packed snow, Jeff? I was riding
> a
> > > trail recently on such conditions with about 7 jeeps ahead of me. Once I
> got
> > > to the hill, the snow had packed considerably and was fairly slick, but
> not
> > > terribly steep, I had enough traction to inch up the hill. But when I
> had to
> > > stop just shy of the top, I could feel myself slowly inching down, even
> with
> > > my foot on the brake. (And no, Bill or Mike, the ABS was not
> activating.) It
> > > was sliding just about half a foot per second, so I had enough time to
> radio
> > > to the fellow behind me to get out of the way. I couldn't get enough
> > > traction to get back up at that point, so my only choice was to slide
> all
> > > the way back down and have another go. Spinning the wheels just makes a
> > > situation like that worse...the tires melt a layer of snow and so now
> you
> > > have a water-slicked layer of snow that won't give any traction at all.
> > >
> > > Assuming there is any traction to be had, and on a snow-packed slick
> incline
> > > ther is almost zero. if the snow isn't too deep, taller and narrow tires
> > > will work better, especially on the street, but for really deep stuff,
> if
> > > it's firm enough you *can* float on top, or at least not sink all the
> way to
> > > your frame. However, spin your tires once and you literally get that
> sinking
> > > feeling...the jeep just drops and there you are, with your jeep doing an
> > > impersonation of an igloo.
01-10-2005, 03:53 PM
#43
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Posts: n/a
Re: Snow-crawl on steep incline--LONG
Man I hate that feeling. Going backward with no hope of stopping the
thing no matter what. I just get it in gear and hope for the best
sometimes....
I have had a looong walk because of that kind of ice base.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> Actually, I can't remember, but it didn't matter...all four wheels weren't
> moving so as far as the ABS knew I was parked.
>
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:41E2E4EF.76BC24B2@***.net...
> > Hi Matt,
> > Of course you pull the fuse.
> > I drive fifty miles east to play in the snow. Only we chain up:
> > http://www.----------.com/snowchains.jpg to drive up the icy spots. One
> > our favorite snow runs:
> > http://www.valleycenter.com/frontpage/nategrade1.htm
> > It's fun watching our TV news, as you people slide into each other.
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:--------------------
> >
> > Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> > >
> > > Ever driven up a hill covered with wet, packed snow, Jeff? I was riding
> a
> > > trail recently on such conditions with about 7 jeeps ahead of me. Once I
> got
> > > to the hill, the snow had packed considerably and was fairly slick, but
> not
> > > terribly steep, I had enough traction to inch up the hill. But when I
> had to
> > > stop just shy of the top, I could feel myself slowly inching down, even
> with
> > > my foot on the brake. (And no, Bill or Mike, the ABS was not
> activating.) It
> > > was sliding just about half a foot per second, so I had enough time to
> radio
> > > to the fellow behind me to get out of the way. I couldn't get enough
> > > traction to get back up at that point, so my only choice was to slide
> all
> > > the way back down and have another go. Spinning the wheels just makes a
> > > situation like that worse...the tires melt a layer of snow and so now
> you
> > > have a water-slicked layer of snow that won't give any traction at all.
> > >
> > > Assuming there is any traction to be had, and on a snow-packed slick
> incline
> > > ther is almost zero. if the snow isn't too deep, taller and narrow tires
> > > will work better, especially on the street, but for really deep stuff,
> if
> > > it's firm enough you *can* float on top, or at least not sink all the
> way to
> > > your frame. However, spin your tires once and you literally get that
> sinking
> > > feeling...the jeep just drops and there you are, with your jeep doing an
> > > impersonation of an igloo.
thing no matter what. I just get it in gear and hope for the best
sometimes....
I have had a looong walk because of that kind of ice base.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> Actually, I can't remember, but it didn't matter...all four wheels weren't
> moving so as far as the ABS knew I was parked.
>
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:41E2E4EF.76BC24B2@***.net...
> > Hi Matt,
> > Of course you pull the fuse.
> > I drive fifty miles east to play in the snow. Only we chain up:
> > http://www.----------.com/snowchains.jpg to drive up the icy spots. One
> > our favorite snow runs:
> > http://www.valleycenter.com/frontpage/nategrade1.htm
> > It's fun watching our TV news, as you people slide into each other.
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:--------------------
> >
> > Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> > >
> > > Ever driven up a hill covered with wet, packed snow, Jeff? I was riding
> a
> > > trail recently on such conditions with about 7 jeeps ahead of me. Once I
> got
> > > to the hill, the snow had packed considerably and was fairly slick, but
> not
> > > terribly steep, I had enough traction to inch up the hill. But when I
> had to
> > > stop just shy of the top, I could feel myself slowly inching down, even
> with
> > > my foot on the brake. (And no, Bill or Mike, the ABS was not
> activating.) It
> > > was sliding just about half a foot per second, so I had enough time to
> radio
> > > to the fellow behind me to get out of the way. I couldn't get enough
> > > traction to get back up at that point, so my only choice was to slide
> all
> > > the way back down and have another go. Spinning the wheels just makes a
> > > situation like that worse...the tires melt a layer of snow and so now
> you
> > > have a water-slicked layer of snow that won't give any traction at all.
> > >
> > > Assuming there is any traction to be had, and on a snow-packed slick
> incline
> > > ther is almost zero. if the snow isn't too deep, taller and narrow tires
> > > will work better, especially on the street, but for really deep stuff,
> if
> > > it's firm enough you *can* float on top, or at least not sink all the
> way to
> > > your frame. However, spin your tires once and you literally get that
> sinking
> > > feeling...the jeep just drops and there you are, with your jeep doing an
> > > impersonation of an igloo.
01-10-2005, 04:53 PM
#44
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Re: Snow-crawl on steep incline--LONG
Hi Mike,
Try sliding backwards off a cliff, for two end overs, followed by
three roll overs. Makes for years of easily triggered flashbacks.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Mike Romain wrote:
>
> Man I hate that feeling. Going backward with no hope of stopping the
> thing no matter what. I just get it in gear and hope for the best
> sometimes....
>
> I have had a looong walk because of that kind of ice base.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Try sliding backwards off a cliff, for two end overs, followed by
three roll overs. Makes for years of easily triggered flashbacks.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Mike Romain wrote:
>
> Man I hate that feeling. Going backward with no hope of stopping the
> thing no matter what. I just get it in gear and hope for the best
> sometimes....
>
> I have had a looong walk because of that kind of ice base.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
01-10-2005, 04:53 PM
#45
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Snow-crawl on steep incline--LONG
Hi Mike,
Try sliding backwards off a cliff, for two end overs, followed by
three roll overs. Makes for years of easily triggered flashbacks.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Mike Romain wrote:
>
> Man I hate that feeling. Going backward with no hope of stopping the
> thing no matter what. I just get it in gear and hope for the best
> sometimes....
>
> I have had a looong walk because of that kind of ice base.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Try sliding backwards off a cliff, for two end overs, followed by
three roll overs. Makes for years of easily triggered flashbacks.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Mike Romain wrote:
>
> Man I hate that feeling. Going backward with no hope of stopping the
> thing no matter what. I just get it in gear and hope for the best
> sometimes....
>
> I have had a looong walk because of that kind of ice base.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
01-10-2005, 04:53 PM
#46
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Snow-crawl on steep incline--LONG
Hi Mike,
Try sliding backwards off a cliff, for two end overs, followed by
three roll overs. Makes for years of easily triggered flashbacks.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Mike Romain wrote:
>
> Man I hate that feeling. Going backward with no hope of stopping the
> thing no matter what. I just get it in gear and hope for the best
> sometimes....
>
> I have had a looong walk because of that kind of ice base.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Try sliding backwards off a cliff, for two end overs, followed by
three roll overs. Makes for years of easily triggered flashbacks.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Mike Romain wrote:
>
> Man I hate that feeling. Going backward with no hope of stopping the
> thing no matter what. I just get it in gear and hope for the best
> sometimes....
>
> I have had a looong walk because of that kind of ice base.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
01-10-2005, 05:07 PM
#47
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Re: Snow-crawl on steep incline--LONG
But I didn't release the brakes and I wasn't going more than 1/6 mile per
hour.
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:41E2EB17.CE550885@***.net...
> Suppose you released your brakes and then tried to reapply them at
> a wheel speed above six miles an hour? Do the acronym: SOL mean anything
> to you?
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> >
> > Actually, I can't remember, but it didn't matter...all four wheels
weren't
> > moving so as far as the ABS knew I was parked.
hour.
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:41E2EB17.CE550885@***.net...
> Suppose you released your brakes and then tried to reapply them at
> a wheel speed above six miles an hour? Do the acronym: SOL mean anything
> to you?
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> >
> > Actually, I can't remember, but it didn't matter...all four wheels
weren't
> > moving so as far as the ABS knew I was parked.
01-10-2005, 05:07 PM
#48
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Re: Snow-crawl on steep incline--LONG
But I didn't release the brakes and I wasn't going more than 1/6 mile per
hour.
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:41E2EB17.CE550885@***.net...
> Suppose you released your brakes and then tried to reapply them at
> a wheel speed above six miles an hour? Do the acronym: SOL mean anything
> to you?
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> >
> > Actually, I can't remember, but it didn't matter...all four wheels
weren't
> > moving so as far as the ABS knew I was parked.
hour.
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:41E2EB17.CE550885@***.net...
> Suppose you released your brakes and then tried to reapply them at
> a wheel speed above six miles an hour? Do the acronym: SOL mean anything
> to you?
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> >
> > Actually, I can't remember, but it didn't matter...all four wheels
weren't
> > moving so as far as the ABS knew I was parked.
01-10-2005, 05:07 PM
#49
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Re: Snow-crawl on steep incline--LONG
But I didn't release the brakes and I wasn't going more than 1/6 mile per
hour.
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:41E2EB17.CE550885@***.net...
> Suppose you released your brakes and then tried to reapply them at
> a wheel speed above six miles an hour? Do the acronym: SOL mean anything
> to you?
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> >
> > Actually, I can't remember, but it didn't matter...all four wheels
weren't
> > moving so as far as the ABS knew I was parked.
hour.
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:41E2EB17.CE550885@***.net...
> Suppose you released your brakes and then tried to reapply them at
> a wheel speed above six miles an hour? Do the acronym: SOL mean anything
> to you?
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> >
> > Actually, I can't remember, but it didn't matter...all four wheels
weren't
> > moving so as far as the ABS knew I was parked.
01-10-2005, 05:11 PM
#50
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Re: Snow-crawl on steep incline--LONG
OK, you panicked. Others release the brake for steering control.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> But I didn't release the brakes and I wasn't going more than 1/6 mile per
> hour.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> But I didn't release the brakes and I wasn't going more than 1/6 mile per
> hour.