Snow-crawl on steep incline--LONG
#151
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Re: Snow-crawl on steep incline--LONG
That's not nice and is a sign you should think of new shoes sooner than
later. It sounds like they are swelling from humidity when sitting and
cooling. I have had a mess of them die that way here in Toronto
Canada. We are at the bottom of the Great Lakes Basin and the humidity
is insane.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Dave Milne wrote:
>
> My TJ rears lock up really easy on a damp road until they have warmed up a
> bit (usually takes about a mile), and is perfectly capable of making me swap
> ends. The fronts are also very easy to lock on a damp road. I don't think
> I've ever driven a vehicle with such vicious brakes when cold. After a mile
> or so, they all lighten up, and the TJ brakes amazingly well (you can't lock
> the rears unless you are going very slowly and mash the pedal very hard). To
> the best of my knowledge, they are the original pads - 33000 miles on them
> (I bought the vehicle at 11500).
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:41E54037.C4FFD14E@sympatico.ca...
> > They started putting combination valve into Jeeps in the 70's to prevent
> > rear wheel lock up
later. It sounds like they are swelling from humidity when sitting and
cooling. I have had a mess of them die that way here in Toronto
Canada. We are at the bottom of the Great Lakes Basin and the humidity
is insane.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Dave Milne wrote:
>
> My TJ rears lock up really easy on a damp road until they have warmed up a
> bit (usually takes about a mile), and is perfectly capable of making me swap
> ends. The fronts are also very easy to lock on a damp road. I don't think
> I've ever driven a vehicle with such vicious brakes when cold. After a mile
> or so, they all lighten up, and the TJ brakes amazingly well (you can't lock
> the rears unless you are going very slowly and mash the pedal very hard). To
> the best of my knowledge, they are the original pads - 33000 miles on them
> (I bought the vehicle at 11500).
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:41E54037.C4FFD14E@sympatico.ca...
> > They started putting combination valve into Jeeps in the 70's to prevent
> > rear wheel lock up
#152
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Re: Snow-crawl on steep incline--LONG
Could be - my Jeep doesn't get a lot of use as I am in walking distance of
both work and the shops, so I only use it at weekends. It has been extremely
wet here of late (Carlisle - 100 miles away - had 9" of rain in one day)
I'll try to replace them next week.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:41E5A63C.9D31EB61@sympatico.ca...
> That's not nice and is a sign you should think of new shoes sooner than
> later. It sounds like they are swelling from humidity when sitting and
> cooling. I have had a mess of them die that way here in Toronto
> Canada. We are at the bottom of the Great Lakes Basin and the humidity
> is insane.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> Dave Milne wrote:
> >
> > My TJ rears lock up really easy on a damp road until they have warmed up
a
> > bit (usually takes about a mile), and is perfectly capable of making me
swap
> > ends. The fronts are also very easy to lock on a damp road. I don't
think
> > I've ever driven a vehicle with such vicious brakes when cold. After a
mile
> > or so, they all lighten up, and the TJ brakes amazingly well (you can't
lock
> > the rears unless you are going very slowly and mash the pedal very
hard). To
> > the best of my knowledge, they are the original pads - 33000 miles on
them
> > (I bought the vehicle at 11500).
> >
> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:41E54037.C4FFD14E@sympatico.ca...
> > > They started putting combination valve into Jeeps in the 70's to
prevent
> > > rear wheel lock up
both work and the shops, so I only use it at weekends. It has been extremely
wet here of late (Carlisle - 100 miles away - had 9" of rain in one day)
I'll try to replace them next week.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:41E5A63C.9D31EB61@sympatico.ca...
> That's not nice and is a sign you should think of new shoes sooner than
> later. It sounds like they are swelling from humidity when sitting and
> cooling. I have had a mess of them die that way here in Toronto
> Canada. We are at the bottom of the Great Lakes Basin and the humidity
> is insane.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> Dave Milne wrote:
> >
> > My TJ rears lock up really easy on a damp road until they have warmed up
a
> > bit (usually takes about a mile), and is perfectly capable of making me
swap
> > ends. The fronts are also very easy to lock on a damp road. I don't
think
> > I've ever driven a vehicle with such vicious brakes when cold. After a
mile
> > or so, they all lighten up, and the TJ brakes amazingly well (you can't
lock
> > the rears unless you are going very slowly and mash the pedal very
hard). To
> > the best of my knowledge, they are the original pads - 33000 miles on
them
> > (I bought the vehicle at 11500).
> >
> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:41E54037.C4FFD14E@sympatico.ca...
> > > They started putting combination valve into Jeeps in the 70's to
prevent
> > > rear wheel lock up
#153
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Re: Snow-crawl on steep incline--LONG
Could be - my Jeep doesn't get a lot of use as I am in walking distance of
both work and the shops, so I only use it at weekends. It has been extremely
wet here of late (Carlisle - 100 miles away - had 9" of rain in one day)
I'll try to replace them next week.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:41E5A63C.9D31EB61@sympatico.ca...
> That's not nice and is a sign you should think of new shoes sooner than
> later. It sounds like they are swelling from humidity when sitting and
> cooling. I have had a mess of them die that way here in Toronto
> Canada. We are at the bottom of the Great Lakes Basin and the humidity
> is insane.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> Dave Milne wrote:
> >
> > My TJ rears lock up really easy on a damp road until they have warmed up
a
> > bit (usually takes about a mile), and is perfectly capable of making me
swap
> > ends. The fronts are also very easy to lock on a damp road. I don't
think
> > I've ever driven a vehicle with such vicious brakes when cold. After a
mile
> > or so, they all lighten up, and the TJ brakes amazingly well (you can't
lock
> > the rears unless you are going very slowly and mash the pedal very
hard). To
> > the best of my knowledge, they are the original pads - 33000 miles on
them
> > (I bought the vehicle at 11500).
> >
> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:41E54037.C4FFD14E@sympatico.ca...
> > > They started putting combination valve into Jeeps in the 70's to
prevent
> > > rear wheel lock up
both work and the shops, so I only use it at weekends. It has been extremely
wet here of late (Carlisle - 100 miles away - had 9" of rain in one day)
I'll try to replace them next week.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:41E5A63C.9D31EB61@sympatico.ca...
> That's not nice and is a sign you should think of new shoes sooner than
> later. It sounds like they are swelling from humidity when sitting and
> cooling. I have had a mess of them die that way here in Toronto
> Canada. We are at the bottom of the Great Lakes Basin and the humidity
> is insane.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> Dave Milne wrote:
> >
> > My TJ rears lock up really easy on a damp road until they have warmed up
a
> > bit (usually takes about a mile), and is perfectly capable of making me
swap
> > ends. The fronts are also very easy to lock on a damp road. I don't
think
> > I've ever driven a vehicle with such vicious brakes when cold. After a
mile
> > or so, they all lighten up, and the TJ brakes amazingly well (you can't
lock
> > the rears unless you are going very slowly and mash the pedal very
hard). To
> > the best of my knowledge, they are the original pads - 33000 miles on
them
> > (I bought the vehicle at 11500).
> >
> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:41E54037.C4FFD14E@sympatico.ca...
> > > They started putting combination valve into Jeeps in the 70's to
prevent
> > > rear wheel lock up
#154
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Re: Snow-crawl on steep incline--LONG
Could be - my Jeep doesn't get a lot of use as I am in walking distance of
both work and the shops, so I only use it at weekends. It has been extremely
wet here of late (Carlisle - 100 miles away - had 9" of rain in one day)
I'll try to replace them next week.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:41E5A63C.9D31EB61@sympatico.ca...
> That's not nice and is a sign you should think of new shoes sooner than
> later. It sounds like they are swelling from humidity when sitting and
> cooling. I have had a mess of them die that way here in Toronto
> Canada. We are at the bottom of the Great Lakes Basin and the humidity
> is insane.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> Dave Milne wrote:
> >
> > My TJ rears lock up really easy on a damp road until they have warmed up
a
> > bit (usually takes about a mile), and is perfectly capable of making me
swap
> > ends. The fronts are also very easy to lock on a damp road. I don't
think
> > I've ever driven a vehicle with such vicious brakes when cold. After a
mile
> > or so, they all lighten up, and the TJ brakes amazingly well (you can't
lock
> > the rears unless you are going very slowly and mash the pedal very
hard). To
> > the best of my knowledge, they are the original pads - 33000 miles on
them
> > (I bought the vehicle at 11500).
> >
> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:41E54037.C4FFD14E@sympatico.ca...
> > > They started putting combination valve into Jeeps in the 70's to
prevent
> > > rear wheel lock up
both work and the shops, so I only use it at weekends. It has been extremely
wet here of late (Carlisle - 100 miles away - had 9" of rain in one day)
I'll try to replace them next week.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:41E5A63C.9D31EB61@sympatico.ca...
> That's not nice and is a sign you should think of new shoes sooner than
> later. It sounds like they are swelling from humidity when sitting and
> cooling. I have had a mess of them die that way here in Toronto
> Canada. We are at the bottom of the Great Lakes Basin and the humidity
> is insane.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> Dave Milne wrote:
> >
> > My TJ rears lock up really easy on a damp road until they have warmed up
a
> > bit (usually takes about a mile), and is perfectly capable of making me
swap
> > ends. The fronts are also very easy to lock on a damp road. I don't
think
> > I've ever driven a vehicle with such vicious brakes when cold. After a
mile
> > or so, they all lighten up, and the TJ brakes amazingly well (you can't
lock
> > the rears unless you are going very slowly and mash the pedal very
hard). To
> > the best of my knowledge, they are the original pads - 33000 miles on
them
> > (I bought the vehicle at 11500).
> >
> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:41E54037.C4FFD14E@sympatico.ca...
> > > They started putting combination valve into Jeeps in the 70's to
prevent
> > > rear wheel lock up
#155
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Re: Snow-crawl on steep incline--LONG
> That is all well and good, but my point is that depressing the clutch
pedal
> can't possibly be an improvement in your situation. When something like
this
> happens, the best thing is to keep the tires turning in the direction you
> want to go. I understand that this is TOTALLY counter intuitive and very
> difficult to accomplish, but a tire that is turning is a tire that can
help
> with directional control, a tire that is not turning is a tire that is
> subject to the slope and the imposed direction of travel. This holds true
> going forward or backward. I know the instinct is to smash the brake pedal
> into the carpet, but I submit that resisting the impulse is often times
the
> better course of action.
>
> But, no, I have no experience in snow, but I am well versed in steep hills
> covered with sand and dirt.
Here's a dumb question, but if, at some point, you don't press your clutch
pedal your engine stalls and you loose your power-steering, brakes, etc?
#156
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Re: Snow-crawl on steep incline--LONG
> That is all well and good, but my point is that depressing the clutch
pedal
> can't possibly be an improvement in your situation. When something like
this
> happens, the best thing is to keep the tires turning in the direction you
> want to go. I understand that this is TOTALLY counter intuitive and very
> difficult to accomplish, but a tire that is turning is a tire that can
help
> with directional control, a tire that is not turning is a tire that is
> subject to the slope and the imposed direction of travel. This holds true
> going forward or backward. I know the instinct is to smash the brake pedal
> into the carpet, but I submit that resisting the impulse is often times
the
> better course of action.
>
> But, no, I have no experience in snow, but I am well versed in steep hills
> covered with sand and dirt.
Here's a dumb question, but if, at some point, you don't press your clutch
pedal your engine stalls and you loose your power-steering, brakes, etc?
#157
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Re: Snow-crawl on steep incline--LONG
> That is all well and good, but my point is that depressing the clutch
pedal
> can't possibly be an improvement in your situation. When something like
this
> happens, the best thing is to keep the tires turning in the direction you
> want to go. I understand that this is TOTALLY counter intuitive and very
> difficult to accomplish, but a tire that is turning is a tire that can
help
> with directional control, a tire that is not turning is a tire that is
> subject to the slope and the imposed direction of travel. This holds true
> going forward or backward. I know the instinct is to smash the brake pedal
> into the carpet, but I submit that resisting the impulse is often times
the
> better course of action.
>
> But, no, I have no experience in snow, but I am well versed in steep hills
> covered with sand and dirt.
Here's a dumb question, but if, at some point, you don't press your clutch
pedal your engine stalls and you loose your power-steering, brakes, etc?
#158
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Re: Snow-crawl on steep incline--LONG
RW wrote:
>
> > That is all well and good, but my point is that depressing the clutch
> pedal
> > can't possibly be an improvement in your situation. When something like
> this
> > happens, the best thing is to keep the tires turning in the direction you
> > want to go. I understand that this is TOTALLY counter intuitive and very
> > difficult to accomplish, but a tire that is turning is a tire that can
> help
> > with directional control, a tire that is not turning is a tire that is
> > subject to the slope and the imposed direction of travel. This holds true
> > going forward or backward. I know the instinct is to smash the brake pedal
> > into the carpet, but I submit that resisting the impulse is often times
> the
> > better course of action.
> >
> > But, no, I have no experience in snow, but I am well versed in steep hills
> > covered with sand and dirt.
>
> Here's a dumb question, but if, at some point, you don't press your clutch
> pedal your engine stalls and you loose your power-steering, brakes, etc?
That sure won't happen with my Jeep!
My 258 will run the rpm down to about 400 climbing sand pit walls, then
if I am just plain too steep it will start digging holes. This is on
dirt in low range. I do have to give it gas pedal to run.
On snow, the tires will break free long before the rpm gets down even
close to a stall.
If you have a TJ, you cannot stall it on a hill climb unless you hit
something. The computer will keep upping the gas to keep the idle
constant to match the load.
You literally can get out and walk beside a TJ while it calmly climbs
the sand pit wall all by itself. I have photos of one gent from this
group, Bob Anderson doing just that. Then I ran shotgun with him on a
ravine climb that had the ATV drivers standing with their jaws hanging.
I watched him not touch the gas pedal once going up that. I was
impressed.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> > That is all well and good, but my point is that depressing the clutch
> pedal
> > can't possibly be an improvement in your situation. When something like
> this
> > happens, the best thing is to keep the tires turning in the direction you
> > want to go. I understand that this is TOTALLY counter intuitive and very
> > difficult to accomplish, but a tire that is turning is a tire that can
> help
> > with directional control, a tire that is not turning is a tire that is
> > subject to the slope and the imposed direction of travel. This holds true
> > going forward or backward. I know the instinct is to smash the brake pedal
> > into the carpet, but I submit that resisting the impulse is often times
> the
> > better course of action.
> >
> > But, no, I have no experience in snow, but I am well versed in steep hills
> > covered with sand and dirt.
>
> Here's a dumb question, but if, at some point, you don't press your clutch
> pedal your engine stalls and you loose your power-steering, brakes, etc?
That sure won't happen with my Jeep!
My 258 will run the rpm down to about 400 climbing sand pit walls, then
if I am just plain too steep it will start digging holes. This is on
dirt in low range. I do have to give it gas pedal to run.
On snow, the tires will break free long before the rpm gets down even
close to a stall.
If you have a TJ, you cannot stall it on a hill climb unless you hit
something. The computer will keep upping the gas to keep the idle
constant to match the load.
You literally can get out and walk beside a TJ while it calmly climbs
the sand pit wall all by itself. I have photos of one gent from this
group, Bob Anderson doing just that. Then I ran shotgun with him on a
ravine climb that had the ATV drivers standing with their jaws hanging.
I watched him not touch the gas pedal once going up that. I was
impressed.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
#159
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Re: Snow-crawl on steep incline--LONG
RW wrote:
>
> > That is all well and good, but my point is that depressing the clutch
> pedal
> > can't possibly be an improvement in your situation. When something like
> this
> > happens, the best thing is to keep the tires turning in the direction you
> > want to go. I understand that this is TOTALLY counter intuitive and very
> > difficult to accomplish, but a tire that is turning is a tire that can
> help
> > with directional control, a tire that is not turning is a tire that is
> > subject to the slope and the imposed direction of travel. This holds true
> > going forward or backward. I know the instinct is to smash the brake pedal
> > into the carpet, but I submit that resisting the impulse is often times
> the
> > better course of action.
> >
> > But, no, I have no experience in snow, but I am well versed in steep hills
> > covered with sand and dirt.
>
> Here's a dumb question, but if, at some point, you don't press your clutch
> pedal your engine stalls and you loose your power-steering, brakes, etc?
That sure won't happen with my Jeep!
My 258 will run the rpm down to about 400 climbing sand pit walls, then
if I am just plain too steep it will start digging holes. This is on
dirt in low range. I do have to give it gas pedal to run.
On snow, the tires will break free long before the rpm gets down even
close to a stall.
If you have a TJ, you cannot stall it on a hill climb unless you hit
something. The computer will keep upping the gas to keep the idle
constant to match the load.
You literally can get out and walk beside a TJ while it calmly climbs
the sand pit wall all by itself. I have photos of one gent from this
group, Bob Anderson doing just that. Then I ran shotgun with him on a
ravine climb that had the ATV drivers standing with their jaws hanging.
I watched him not touch the gas pedal once going up that. I was
impressed.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> > That is all well and good, but my point is that depressing the clutch
> pedal
> > can't possibly be an improvement in your situation. When something like
> this
> > happens, the best thing is to keep the tires turning in the direction you
> > want to go. I understand that this is TOTALLY counter intuitive and very
> > difficult to accomplish, but a tire that is turning is a tire that can
> help
> > with directional control, a tire that is not turning is a tire that is
> > subject to the slope and the imposed direction of travel. This holds true
> > going forward or backward. I know the instinct is to smash the brake pedal
> > into the carpet, but I submit that resisting the impulse is often times
> the
> > better course of action.
> >
> > But, no, I have no experience in snow, but I am well versed in steep hills
> > covered with sand and dirt.
>
> Here's a dumb question, but if, at some point, you don't press your clutch
> pedal your engine stalls and you loose your power-steering, brakes, etc?
That sure won't happen with my Jeep!
My 258 will run the rpm down to about 400 climbing sand pit walls, then
if I am just plain too steep it will start digging holes. This is on
dirt in low range. I do have to give it gas pedal to run.
On snow, the tires will break free long before the rpm gets down even
close to a stall.
If you have a TJ, you cannot stall it on a hill climb unless you hit
something. The computer will keep upping the gas to keep the idle
constant to match the load.
You literally can get out and walk beside a TJ while it calmly climbs
the sand pit wall all by itself. I have photos of one gent from this
group, Bob Anderson doing just that. Then I ran shotgun with him on a
ravine climb that had the ATV drivers standing with their jaws hanging.
I watched him not touch the gas pedal once going up that. I was
impressed.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
#160
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Re: Snow-crawl on steep incline--LONG
RW wrote:
>
> > That is all well and good, but my point is that depressing the clutch
> pedal
> > can't possibly be an improvement in your situation. When something like
> this
> > happens, the best thing is to keep the tires turning in the direction you
> > want to go. I understand that this is TOTALLY counter intuitive and very
> > difficult to accomplish, but a tire that is turning is a tire that can
> help
> > with directional control, a tire that is not turning is a tire that is
> > subject to the slope and the imposed direction of travel. This holds true
> > going forward or backward. I know the instinct is to smash the brake pedal
> > into the carpet, but I submit that resisting the impulse is often times
> the
> > better course of action.
> >
> > But, no, I have no experience in snow, but I am well versed in steep hills
> > covered with sand and dirt.
>
> Here's a dumb question, but if, at some point, you don't press your clutch
> pedal your engine stalls and you loose your power-steering, brakes, etc?
That sure won't happen with my Jeep!
My 258 will run the rpm down to about 400 climbing sand pit walls, then
if I am just plain too steep it will start digging holes. This is on
dirt in low range. I do have to give it gas pedal to run.
On snow, the tires will break free long before the rpm gets down even
close to a stall.
If you have a TJ, you cannot stall it on a hill climb unless you hit
something. The computer will keep upping the gas to keep the idle
constant to match the load.
You literally can get out and walk beside a TJ while it calmly climbs
the sand pit wall all by itself. I have photos of one gent from this
group, Bob Anderson doing just that. Then I ran shotgun with him on a
ravine climb that had the ATV drivers standing with their jaws hanging.
I watched him not touch the gas pedal once going up that. I was
impressed.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> > That is all well and good, but my point is that depressing the clutch
> pedal
> > can't possibly be an improvement in your situation. When something like
> this
> > happens, the best thing is to keep the tires turning in the direction you
> > want to go. I understand that this is TOTALLY counter intuitive and very
> > difficult to accomplish, but a tire that is turning is a tire that can
> help
> > with directional control, a tire that is not turning is a tire that is
> > subject to the slope and the imposed direction of travel. This holds true
> > going forward or backward. I know the instinct is to smash the brake pedal
> > into the carpet, but I submit that resisting the impulse is often times
> the
> > better course of action.
> >
> > But, no, I have no experience in snow, but I am well versed in steep hills
> > covered with sand and dirt.
>
> Here's a dumb question, but if, at some point, you don't press your clutch
> pedal your engine stalls and you loose your power-steering, brakes, etc?
That sure won't happen with my Jeep!
My 258 will run the rpm down to about 400 climbing sand pit walls, then
if I am just plain too steep it will start digging holes. This is on
dirt in low range. I do have to give it gas pedal to run.
On snow, the tires will break free long before the rpm gets down even
close to a stall.
If you have a TJ, you cannot stall it on a hill climb unless you hit
something. The computer will keep upping the gas to keep the idle
constant to match the load.
You literally can get out and walk beside a TJ while it calmly climbs
the sand pit wall all by itself. I have photos of one gent from this
group, Bob Anderson doing just that. Then I ran shotgun with him on a
ravine climb that had the ATV drivers standing with their jaws hanging.
I watched him not touch the gas pedal once going up that. I was
impressed.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's