Shackles
05-04-2004, 11:48 PM
#61
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Re: Shackles
You really can't see the leverage exerted on the length of spring
by a longer shackle? You will need to plug in the value at:
http://www.trebuchet.com/hardware/load.html We know that for the shackle
for the sake of argument the weight each shackle supports is about one
eighth of the Jeep, and that the stock shackle is nearly straight down,
in the short stock position, like a stilt, where nearly no energy is
trying to straighten the spring out, but you put the longer shackle on
it, it then tilts forward, that distance is the figure you may plug into
your model, a force that wasn't there before, you may take a breaker bar
and try to force it back underneath, but you'll soon learn that new
force is now too great. I suggest taking one of your classes.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
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Roy J wrote:
>
> Sure do, I teach this stuff at the undergrad level. That's why I
> asked.
by a longer shackle? You will need to plug in the value at:
http://www.trebuchet.com/hardware/load.html We know that for the shackle
for the sake of argument the weight each shackle supports is about one
eighth of the Jeep, and that the stock shackle is nearly straight down,
in the short stock position, like a stilt, where nearly no energy is
trying to straighten the spring out, but you put the longer shackle on
it, it then tilts forward, that distance is the figure you may plug into
your model, a force that wasn't there before, you may take a breaker bar
and try to force it back underneath, but you'll soon learn that new
force is now too great. I suggest taking one of your classes.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Roy J wrote:
>
> Sure do, I teach this stuff at the undergrad level. That's why I
> asked.
05-05-2004, 05:23 AM
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Re: Shackles
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
:
: It messes with the driveshaft u-joint angles and the camber in the front
: so the steering wheel won't return to center without help when cornering
: and will cause you to eat driveshaft u-joints up fast.
:
One of these words don't belong... let's see... ahhh, I know you meant
caster.
-Brian
05-05-2004, 05:23 AM
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Re: Shackles
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
:
: It messes with the driveshaft u-joint angles and the camber in the front
: so the steering wheel won't return to center without help when cornering
: and will cause you to eat driveshaft u-joints up fast.
:
One of these words don't belong... let's see... ahhh, I know you meant
caster.
-Brian
05-05-2004, 05:23 AM
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Re: Shackles
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
:
: It messes with the driveshaft u-joint angles and the camber in the front
: so the steering wheel won't return to center without help when cornering
: and will cause you to eat driveshaft u-joints up fast.
:
One of these words don't belong... let's see... ahhh, I know you meant
caster.
-Brian
05-05-2004, 05:23 AM
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Re: Shackles
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
:
: It messes with the driveshaft u-joint angles and the camber in the front
: so the steering wheel won't return to center without help when cornering
: and will cause you to eat driveshaft u-joints up fast.
:
One of these words don't belong... let's see... ahhh, I know you meant
caster.
-Brian
05-05-2004, 08:51 AM
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Re: Shackles
Cherokee-LTD wrote:
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> :
> : It messes with the driveshaft u-joint angles and the camber in the front
> : so the steering wheel won't return to center without help when cornering
> : and will cause you to eat driveshaft u-joints up fast.
> :
>
> One of these words don't belong... let's see... ahhh, I know you meant
> caster.
>
> -Brian
Yup, you are correct...
Mike
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> :
> : It messes with the driveshaft u-joint angles and the camber in the front
> : so the steering wheel won't return to center without help when cornering
> : and will cause you to eat driveshaft u-joints up fast.
> :
>
> One of these words don't belong... let's see... ahhh, I know you meant
> caster.
>
> -Brian
Yup, you are correct...
Mike
05-05-2004, 08:51 AM
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Re: Shackles
Cherokee-LTD wrote:
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> :
> : It messes with the driveshaft u-joint angles and the camber in the front
> : so the steering wheel won't return to center without help when cornering
> : and will cause you to eat driveshaft u-joints up fast.
> :
>
> One of these words don't belong... let's see... ahhh, I know you meant
> caster.
>
> -Brian
Yup, you are correct...
Mike
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> :
> : It messes with the driveshaft u-joint angles and the camber in the front
> : so the steering wheel won't return to center without help when cornering
> : and will cause you to eat driveshaft u-joints up fast.
> :
>
> One of these words don't belong... let's see... ahhh, I know you meant
> caster.
>
> -Brian
Yup, you are correct...
Mike
05-05-2004, 08:51 AM
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Re: Shackles
Cherokee-LTD wrote:
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> :
> : It messes with the driveshaft u-joint angles and the camber in the front
> : so the steering wheel won't return to center without help when cornering
> : and will cause you to eat driveshaft u-joints up fast.
> :
>
> One of these words don't belong... let's see... ahhh, I know you meant
> caster.
>
> -Brian
Yup, you are correct...
Mike
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> :
> : It messes with the driveshaft u-joint angles and the camber in the front
> : so the steering wheel won't return to center without help when cornering
> : and will cause you to eat driveshaft u-joints up fast.
> :
>
> One of these words don't belong... let's see... ahhh, I know you meant
> caster.
>
> -Brian
Yup, you are correct...
Mike
05-05-2004, 08:51 AM
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Re: Shackles
Cherokee-LTD wrote:
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> :
> : It messes with the driveshaft u-joint angles and the camber in the front
> : so the steering wheel won't return to center without help when cornering
> : and will cause you to eat driveshaft u-joints up fast.
> :
>
> One of these words don't belong... let's see... ahhh, I know you meant
> caster.
>
> -Brian
Yup, you are correct...
Mike
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> :
> : It messes with the driveshaft u-joint angles and the camber in the front
> : so the steering wheel won't return to center without help when cornering
> : and will cause you to eat driveshaft u-joints up fast.
> :
>
> One of these words don't belong... let's see... ahhh, I know you meant
> caster.
>
> -Brian
Yup, you are correct...
Mike
05-05-2004, 05:54 PM
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Re: Shackles
If you are accomplishing all of that lift with those shackles, they are too
long. Those are much longer than mine, and they are going to cause you
problems.
"Jeepster" <yj_driver@NOSPAM___.com> wrote in message
news:0mjg90t4g0b34m58ooegkm56l65n77b746@4ax.com...
> Do these look like they would be beefy enough?
>
> http://clubweb.interbaun.com/kb57/
>
> On Tue, 4 May 2004 18:48:14 -0700, "CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >I am a firm believer that you want to keep your shackles as close as
> >possible to stock length. Now for the caveats.
> >
> >The problems caused by too much Length can overcome with beefier parts.
My
> >shackles are the ConFer heavy duty shackles. They are longer than stock,
but
> >more than make up for the length by being much stronger. They are about 1
> >inch longer overall than stock, but the material is much heavier. Having
> >said that, you can buy them stronger, but way too long for the strength
to
> >accomodate, and then you are going to have problems again. I would think
> >that if you stayed at an inch or two overall longer than stock, and went
> >with a product like the ConFer, you would be OK.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >"Jeepster" <yj_driver@NOSPAM___.com> wrote in message
> >news:0m9g90dmmiqq898k6b3grbr0tg2s2riro5@4ax.com.. .
> >> I was looking to beef up my shackles from the stock crap that my YJ
> >> has. I have a question ........
> >>
> >> Would going with a shackle that was 1" or 2" inches taller cause any
> >> problems?
> >>
> >> I have new springs on this Jeep so the springs have a lot of life left
> >> in them.
> >
>
long. Those are much longer than mine, and they are going to cause you
problems.
"Jeepster" <yj_driver@NOSPAM___.com> wrote in message
news:0mjg90t4g0b34m58ooegkm56l65n77b746@4ax.com...
> Do these look like they would be beefy enough?
>
> http://clubweb.interbaun.com/kb57/
>
> On Tue, 4 May 2004 18:48:14 -0700, "CRWLR" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >I am a firm believer that you want to keep your shackles as close as
> >possible to stock length. Now for the caveats.
> >
> >The problems caused by too much Length can overcome with beefier parts.
My
> >shackles are the ConFer heavy duty shackles. They are longer than stock,
but
> >more than make up for the length by being much stronger. They are about 1
> >inch longer overall than stock, but the material is much heavier. Having
> >said that, you can buy them stronger, but way too long for the strength
to
> >accomodate, and then you are going to have problems again. I would think
> >that if you stayed at an inch or two overall longer than stock, and went
> >with a product like the ConFer, you would be OK.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >"Jeepster" <yj_driver@NOSPAM___.com> wrote in message
> >news:0m9g90dmmiqq898k6b3grbr0tg2s2riro5@4ax.com.. .
> >> I was looking to beef up my shackles from the stock crap that my YJ
> >> has. I have a question ........
> >>
> >> Would going with a shackle that was 1" or 2" inches taller cause any
> >> problems?
> >>
> >> I have new springs on this Jeep so the springs have a lot of life left
> >> in them.
> >
>