twaldron

I've never been there, but I was under the impression that you could
make the Rubicon as easy (with bypasses) or as difficult as you wanted
and that a near stock Jeep could make the trip using these bypasses on
the more difficult obstacles...is this not so?

Jerry McG wrote:

> JB,
>
> I wasn't aware there was another way out other than Cadillac Hill. Frankly,
> if you went out there without a detailed map or a guide you could get
> yourself in a great deal of trouble in a hurry. Few trail markers and tire
> marks going in every direction. With one exception, our trail leader, this
> was the first time on the Rubicon for all of us. We planned the trip out for
> several months and our leader had us well educated on what to expect. He and
> his wife had videotaped their first visit last summer, so we all got to see
> the thing beforehand. It was still a major handful. You are absolutely
> correct in your trail description. It is just one continuous obstacle. Since
> we're just a couple of hours from Moab and very close to Silverton/Ouray we
> don;t generally leave this area very often. Several of us are already
> planning "Rubicon II", so who knows!
>
> Best on the upgrades.
> "jbjeep" <jbjeep@saw.net> wrote in message
> news:ahu7j09nvd00ot0itqcltgneanh8dmf4jb@4ax.com...
>
>>Thanks. I really appreciate the comments.
>>
>>Actually, we had less big carnage that I thought we would. the brakes
>
> were scary but
>
>>easily fixed. Its funny how the body damage didnt bother me. Nothing
>
> like rolling
>
>>your rig to put it all in perspective! I figured I would be the one with
>
> the busted
>
>>axles, but I guess I got lucky!! I really liked the trail a lot. Its not
>
> like Moab
>
>>where you have hard obsticales and then a nice drive, and then some more
>
> hard stuff.
>
>>Its rock, all the time rock, and then the rock gets bigger and badder in
>
> the hard
>
>>stuff. You have to be on top of it all the time. I was bummed to miss
>
> cadilac hill,
>
>>but the guys didnt want to go out that way. Rubicon springs was nice, the
>
> day trip
>
>>there and back was fun. Little sluice looked like fun for about 1/2 way
>
> up. LOL.
>
>>Then the rock is too big for my 33's. Old sluice and Big Sluice were just
>
> plain fun
>
>>(well, other than the brakes). I dont know if I mentioned it in the trip
>
> report or
>
>>not, but I was the only driver that had never done the trail before. They
>
> kept
>
>>forgetting that, and it was so very different from what I am used to. I
>
> cant wait to
>
>>go back again!! (once I get my rig out of the shop - my mechanic is
>
> having a heyday,
>
>>all the parts showed up this afternoon and he got really excited about it
>
> and started
>
>>working on it already.) We are doing the tera rear brake conversion, PS
>
> trail
>
>>corners, and flush mounted tail lights, in addition to a sh**load of
>
> maintenance
>
>>work.
>>
>>Yep, the diaper will be hard to live down. As will Todd's "axle tampon"
>
> (I forgot
>
>>and left it out of the trip report) ... the plug he made to go inside the
>
> axle
>
>>housing for the trip home - its absorbent on the inside, its got a string
>
> on it, so
>
>>what else could you call it? Maria kept us in stiches for about 15
>
> minutes with
>
>>that. <G> Unfortunitly, that was some of the pics on the camera card
>
> that went bad
>
>>on me. =( It was a rubber glove stuffed with rags, with a zip tie on
>
> the middle to
>
>>hold it together and a string from that so that he could get a hold of it
>
> to pull it
>
>>out when he got the rig home.
>>
>>Glad to hear you guys had a good time too. I'll look fowards to seeing
>
> those pic's!
>
>>
>>
>>
>>On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 21:18:27 -0600, "Jerry McG"
>
> <gmcgeorge.remove@frontier.net>
>
>>wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>JB, really enjoyed seeing your pictures and reading your reports. Our
>
> group
>
>>>>(Creeper Jeepers, Durango CO) was on the Rubicon the 16th - 18th and
>>>>probably just missed you. Since we only had 2 1/2 days we skipped the
>
> Little
>
>>>>Sluice and did the bypass, which was tough enough. Stayed at Buck Island
>
> the
>
>>>>first night, then stopped at Rubicon Springs early the second afternoon
>
> and
>
>>>>camped the night. Did Cadillac Hill on day 3 and we were back in Tahoe
>
> in
>
>>>>time to catch a dinner cruise on the MS Dixie.
>>>>
>>>>We all survived with just a few dings and a broken hard brake line on an
>
> XJ.
>
>>>>I "doinked" both of the front fenders on my YJ with the tires from
>>>>underneath (wanted tube fenders, anyway) and peeled the cover back on my
>>>>rear D60 just enough to watch it drip for 3 days, wondering how much
>
> gear
>
>>>>oil was left every morning. (I put a drip pan under it and measured the
>>>>loss!) Still had plenty when I got back to Tahoe, at which time I
>
> wrapped it
>
>>>>in a towel, which the group dubbed "the diaper", which I will not live
>
> down
>
>>>>soon. The best part is that a nice Poison Spider "Rock Ring" that would
>
> have
>
>>>>prevented all this was sitting on my workbench, too busy / lazy to
>
> install
>
>>>>it before I left town.
>>>>
>>>>I was busy driving so I only got about 50 shots in the whole time we
>
> were on
>
>>>>the trail. However the others got quite a few, so as soon I have
>
> everyone's
>
>>>>photos sorted I'll put a link up on Webshots.
>>>>
>>>>Glad you all made it back safe & sound. Sounds like you had more of a
>>>>"carnage adventure" than we did, but the trail is not to be missed.
>>>>
>>>>"jbjeep" <jbjeep@saw.net> wrote in message
>>>>news:v805j0t3jmpccag3krbj7idv9v63620ib2@4ax.co m...
>>>>
>>>>>http://jbjeep.terahex.com/Rubicon04/Rubicon04.html
>>>>>
>>>>>If you get a "page not found" error or something similar, please try
>
> again
>
>>>>later.
>>>>
>>>>>The server owner has limited the bandwidth to my site (that's the
>
> price I
>
>>>>have to pay
>>>>
>>>>>for free server space. LOL.) Since this will be hitting all my lists
>
> at
>
>>>>once, etc,
>>>>
>>>>>there will probably be a lot of folks trying to hit on the site.
>
> Please
>
>>>>be patient
>>>>
>>>>>and check back if you don't get in on the first try. The page will be
>>>>
>>>>slow to load
>>>>
>>>>>due to the pictures embedded in the trip report, and, if you decide to
>>>>
>>>>check out the
>>>>
>>>>>picture link at the bottom of the page, please remember that it will
>
> load
>
>>>>VERY VERY
>>>>
>>>>>SLOW. I cut out more than 1/2 the pictures that we took, but there is
>>>>
>>>>still a LOT of
>>>>
>>>>>them there (400-ish). Click on an image for the larger pic.
>>>>>-jenn
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>
>

--
__________________________________________________ _________
tw

03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5"
01 XJ Sport

There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry

Pronunciation: 'jEp
Function: noun
Date: 1940

Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
World War II.

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__________________________________________________ _________

twaldron

I've never been there, but I was under the impression that you could
make the Rubicon as easy (with bypasses) or as difficult as you wanted
and that a near stock Jeep could make the trip using these bypasses on
the more difficult obstacles...is this not so?

Jerry McG wrote:

> JB,
>
> I wasn't aware there was another way out other than Cadillac Hill. Frankly,
> if you went out there without a detailed map or a guide you could get
> yourself in a great deal of trouble in a hurry. Few trail markers and tire
> marks going in every direction. With one exception, our trail leader, this
> was the first time on the Rubicon for all of us. We planned the trip out for
> several months and our leader had us well educated on what to expect. He and
> his wife had videotaped their first visit last summer, so we all got to see
> the thing beforehand. It was still a major handful. You are absolutely
> correct in your trail description. It is just one continuous obstacle. Since
> we're just a couple of hours from Moab and very close to Silverton/Ouray we
> don;t generally leave this area very often. Several of us are already
> planning "Rubicon II", so who knows!
>
> Best on the upgrades.
> "jbjeep" <jbjeep@saw.net> wrote in message
> news:ahu7j09nvd00ot0itqcltgneanh8dmf4jb@4ax.com...
>
>>Thanks. I really appreciate the comments.
>>
>>Actually, we had less big carnage that I thought we would. the brakes
>
> were scary but
>
>>easily fixed. Its funny how the body damage didnt bother me. Nothing
>
> like rolling
>
>>your rig to put it all in perspective! I figured I would be the one with
>
> the busted
>
>>axles, but I guess I got lucky!! I really liked the trail a lot. Its not
>
> like Moab
>
>>where you have hard obsticales and then a nice drive, and then some more
>
> hard stuff.
>
>>Its rock, all the time rock, and then the rock gets bigger and badder in
>
> the hard
>
>>stuff. You have to be on top of it all the time. I was bummed to miss
>
> cadilac hill,
>
>>but the guys didnt want to go out that way. Rubicon springs was nice, the
>
> day trip
>
>>there and back was fun. Little sluice looked like fun for about 1/2 way
>
> up. LOL.
>
>>Then the rock is too big for my 33's. Old sluice and Big Sluice were just
>
> plain fun
>
>>(well, other than the brakes). I dont know if I mentioned it in the trip
>
> report or
>
>>not, but I was the only driver that had never done the trail before. They
>
> kept
>
>>forgetting that, and it was so very different from what I am used to. I
>
> cant wait to
>
>>go back again!! (once I get my rig out of the shop - my mechanic is
>
> having a heyday,
>
>>all the parts showed up this afternoon and he got really excited about it
>
> and started
>
>>working on it already.) We are doing the tera rear brake conversion, PS
>
> trail
>
>>corners, and flush mounted tail lights, in addition to a sh**load of
>
> maintenance
>
>>work.
>>
>>Yep, the diaper will be hard to live down. As will Todd's "axle tampon"
>
> (I forgot
>
>>and left it out of the trip report) ... the plug he made to go inside the
>
> axle
>
>>housing for the trip home - its absorbent on the inside, its got a string
>
> on it, so
>
>>what else could you call it? Maria kept us in stiches for about 15
>
> minutes with
>
>>that. <G> Unfortunitly, that was some of the pics on the camera card
>
> that went bad
>
>>on me. =( It was a rubber glove stuffed with rags, with a zip tie on
>
> the middle to
>
>>hold it together and a string from that so that he could get a hold of it
>
> to pull it
>
>>out when he got the rig home.
>>
>>Glad to hear you guys had a good time too. I'll look fowards to seeing
>
> those pic's!
>
>>
>>
>>
>>On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 21:18:27 -0600, "Jerry McG"
>
> <gmcgeorge.remove@frontier.net>
>
>>wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>JB, really enjoyed seeing your pictures and reading your reports. Our
>
> group
>
>>>>(Creeper Jeepers, Durango CO) was on the Rubicon the 16th - 18th and
>>>>probably just missed you. Since we only had 2 1/2 days we skipped the
>
> Little
>
>>>>Sluice and did the bypass, which was tough enough. Stayed at Buck Island
>
> the
>
>>>>first night, then stopped at Rubicon Springs early the second afternoon
>
> and
>
>>>>camped the night. Did Cadillac Hill on day 3 and we were back in Tahoe
>
> in
>
>>>>time to catch a dinner cruise on the MS Dixie.
>>>>
>>>>We all survived with just a few dings and a broken hard brake line on an
>
> XJ.
>
>>>>I "doinked" both of the front fenders on my YJ with the tires from
>>>>underneath (wanted tube fenders, anyway) and peeled the cover back on my
>>>>rear D60 just enough to watch it drip for 3 days, wondering how much
>
> gear
>
>>>>oil was left every morning. (I put a drip pan under it and measured the
>>>>loss!) Still had plenty when I got back to Tahoe, at which time I
>
> wrapped it
>
>>>>in a towel, which the group dubbed "the diaper", which I will not live
>
> down
>
>>>>soon. The best part is that a nice Poison Spider "Rock Ring" that would
>
> have
>
>>>>prevented all this was sitting on my workbench, too busy / lazy to
>
> install
>
>>>>it before I left town.
>>>>
>>>>I was busy driving so I only got about 50 shots in the whole time we
>
> were on
>
>>>>the trail. However the others got quite a few, so as soon I have
>
> everyone's
>
>>>>photos sorted I'll put a link up on Webshots.
>>>>
>>>>Glad you all made it back safe & sound. Sounds like you had more of a
>>>>"carnage adventure" than we did, but the trail is not to be missed.
>>>>
>>>>"jbjeep" <jbjeep@saw.net> wrote in message
>>>>news:v805j0t3jmpccag3krbj7idv9v63620ib2@4ax.co m...
>>>>
>>>>>http://jbjeep.terahex.com/Rubicon04/Rubicon04.html
>>>>>
>>>>>If you get a "page not found" error or something similar, please try
>
> again
>
>>>>later.
>>>>
>>>>>The server owner has limited the bandwidth to my site (that's the
>
> price I
>
>>>>have to pay
>>>>
>>>>>for free server space. LOL.) Since this will be hitting all my lists
>
> at
>
>>>>once, etc,
>>>>
>>>>>there will probably be a lot of folks trying to hit on the site.
>
> Please
>
>>>>be patient
>>>>
>>>>>and check back if you don't get in on the first try. The page will be
>>>>
>>>>slow to load
>>>>
>>>>>due to the pictures embedded in the trip report, and, if you decide to
>>>>
>>>>check out the
>>>>
>>>>>picture link at the bottom of the page, please remember that it will
>
> load
>
>>>>VERY VERY
>>>>
>>>>>SLOW. I cut out more than 1/2 the pictures that we took, but there is
>>>>
>>>>still a LOT of
>>>>
>>>>>them there (400-ish). Click on an image for the larger pic.
>>>>>-jenn
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>
>

--
__________________________________________________ _________
tw

03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5"
01 XJ Sport

There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry

Pronunciation: 'jEp
Function: noun
Date: 1940

Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
World War II.

(Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
__________________________________________________ _________

twaldron

I've never been there, but I was under the impression that you could
make the Rubicon as easy (with bypasses) or as difficult as you wanted
and that a near stock Jeep could make the trip using these bypasses on
the more difficult obstacles...is this not so?

Jerry McG wrote:

> JB,
>
> I wasn't aware there was another way out other than Cadillac Hill. Frankly,
> if you went out there without a detailed map or a guide you could get
> yourself in a great deal of trouble in a hurry. Few trail markers and tire
> marks going in every direction. With one exception, our trail leader, this
> was the first time on the Rubicon for all of us. We planned the trip out for
> several months and our leader had us well educated on what to expect. He and
> his wife had videotaped their first visit last summer, so we all got to see
> the thing beforehand. It was still a major handful. You are absolutely
> correct in your trail description. It is just one continuous obstacle. Since
> we're just a couple of hours from Moab and very close to Silverton/Ouray we
> don;t generally leave this area very often. Several of us are already
> planning "Rubicon II", so who knows!
>
> Best on the upgrades.
> "jbjeep" <jbjeep@saw.net> wrote in message
> news:ahu7j09nvd00ot0itqcltgneanh8dmf4jb@4ax.com...
>
>>Thanks. I really appreciate the comments.
>>
>>Actually, we had less big carnage that I thought we would. the brakes
>
> were scary but
>
>>easily fixed. Its funny how the body damage didnt bother me. Nothing
>
> like rolling
>
>>your rig to put it all in perspective! I figured I would be the one with
>
> the busted
>
>>axles, but I guess I got lucky!! I really liked the trail a lot. Its not
>
> like Moab
>
>>where you have hard obsticales and then a nice drive, and then some more
>
> hard stuff.
>
>>Its rock, all the time rock, and then the rock gets bigger and badder in
>
> the hard
>
>>stuff. You have to be on top of it all the time. I was bummed to miss
>
> cadilac hill,
>
>>but the guys didnt want to go out that way. Rubicon springs was nice, the
>
> day trip
>
>>there and back was fun. Little sluice looked like fun for about 1/2 way
>
> up. LOL.
>
>>Then the rock is too big for my 33's. Old sluice and Big Sluice were just
>
> plain fun
>
>>(well, other than the brakes). I dont know if I mentioned it in the trip
>
> report or
>
>>not, but I was the only driver that had never done the trail before. They
>
> kept
>
>>forgetting that, and it was so very different from what I am used to. I
>
> cant wait to
>
>>go back again!! (once I get my rig out of the shop - my mechanic is
>
> having a heyday,
>
>>all the parts showed up this afternoon and he got really excited about it
>
> and started
>
>>working on it already.) We are doing the tera rear brake conversion, PS
>
> trail
>
>>corners, and flush mounted tail lights, in addition to a sh**load of
>
> maintenance
>
>>work.
>>
>>Yep, the diaper will be hard to live down. As will Todd's "axle tampon"
>
> (I forgot
>
>>and left it out of the trip report) ... the plug he made to go inside the
>
> axle
>
>>housing for the trip home - its absorbent on the inside, its got a string
>
> on it, so
>
>>what else could you call it? Maria kept us in stiches for about 15
>
> minutes with
>
>>that. <G> Unfortunitly, that was some of the pics on the camera card
>
> that went bad
>
>>on me. =( It was a rubber glove stuffed with rags, with a zip tie on
>
> the middle to
>
>>hold it together and a string from that so that he could get a hold of it
>
> to pull it
>
>>out when he got the rig home.
>>
>>Glad to hear you guys had a good time too. I'll look fowards to seeing
>
> those pic's!
>
>>
>>
>>
>>On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 21:18:27 -0600, "Jerry McG"
>
> <gmcgeorge.remove@frontier.net>
>
>>wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>JB, really enjoyed seeing your pictures and reading your reports. Our
>
> group
>
>>>>(Creeper Jeepers, Durango CO) was on the Rubicon the 16th - 18th and
>>>>probably just missed you. Since we only had 2 1/2 days we skipped the
>
> Little
>
>>>>Sluice and did the bypass, which was tough enough. Stayed at Buck Island
>
> the
>
>>>>first night, then stopped at Rubicon Springs early the second afternoon
>
> and
>
>>>>camped the night. Did Cadillac Hill on day 3 and we were back in Tahoe
>
> in
>
>>>>time to catch a dinner cruise on the MS Dixie.
>>>>
>>>>We all survived with just a few dings and a broken hard brake line on an
>
> XJ.
>
>>>>I "doinked" both of the front fenders on my YJ with the tires from
>>>>underneath (wanted tube fenders, anyway) and peeled the cover back on my
>>>>rear D60 just enough to watch it drip for 3 days, wondering how much
>
> gear
>
>>>>oil was left every morning. (I put a drip pan under it and measured the
>>>>loss!) Still had plenty when I got back to Tahoe, at which time I
>
> wrapped it
>
>>>>in a towel, which the group dubbed "the diaper", which I will not live
>
> down
>
>>>>soon. The best part is that a nice Poison Spider "Rock Ring" that would
>
> have
>
>>>>prevented all this was sitting on my workbench, too busy / lazy to
>
> install
>
>>>>it before I left town.
>>>>
>>>>I was busy driving so I only got about 50 shots in the whole time we
>
> were on
>
>>>>the trail. However the others got quite a few, so as soon I have
>
> everyone's
>
>>>>photos sorted I'll put a link up on Webshots.
>>>>
>>>>Glad you all made it back safe & sound. Sounds like you had more of a
>>>>"carnage adventure" than we did, but the trail is not to be missed.
>>>>
>>>>"jbjeep" <jbjeep@saw.net> wrote in message
>>>>news:v805j0t3jmpccag3krbj7idv9v63620ib2@4ax.co m...
>>>>
>>>>>http://jbjeep.terahex.com/Rubicon04/Rubicon04.html
>>>>>
>>>>>If you get a "page not found" error or something similar, please try
>
> again
>
>>>>later.
>>>>
>>>>>The server owner has limited the bandwidth to my site (that's the
>
> price I
>
>>>>have to pay
>>>>
>>>>>for free server space. LOL.) Since this will be hitting all my lists
>
> at
>
>>>>once, etc,
>>>>
>>>>>there will probably be a lot of folks trying to hit on the site.
>
> Please
>
>>>>be patient
>>>>
>>>>>and check back if you don't get in on the first try. The page will be
>>>>
>>>>slow to load
>>>>
>>>>>due to the pictures embedded in the trip report, and, if you decide to
>>>>
>>>>check out the
>>>>
>>>>>picture link at the bottom of the page, please remember that it will
>
> load
>
>>>>VERY VERY
>>>>
>>>>>SLOW. I cut out more than 1/2 the pictures that we took, but there is
>>>>
>>>>still a LOT of
>>>>
>>>>>them there (400-ish). Click on an image for the larger pic.
>>>>>-jenn
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>
>

--
__________________________________________________ _________
tw

03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5"
01 XJ Sport

There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry

Pronunciation: 'jEp
Function: noun
Date: 1940

Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
World War II.

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twaldron wrote:
>
> I've never been there, but I was under the impression that you could
> make the Rubicon as easy (with bypasses) or as difficult as you wanted
> and that a near stock Jeep could make the trip using these bypasses on
> the more difficult obstacles...is this not so?
> __________________________________________________ _________
> tw
>
> 03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5"
> 01 XJ Sport
>
> There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
> -- Dave Barry
>
> Pronunciation: 'jEp
> Function: noun
> Date: 1940
>
> Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
> A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
> 1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
> World War II.
>
> (Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
> __________________________________________________ _________

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

Well if a Libby could make it: http://www.----------.com/Libby.mov
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------

twaldron wrote:
>
> I've never been there, but I was under the impression that you could
> make the Rubicon as easy (with bypasses) or as difficult as you wanted
> and that a near stock Jeep could make the trip using these bypasses on
> the more difficult obstacles...is this not so?
> __________________________________________________ _________
> tw
>
> 03 TJ Rubicon - Rubicon Express 4.5"
> 01 XJ Sport
>
> There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
> -- Dave Barry
>
> Pronunciation: 'jEp
> Function: noun
> Date: 1940
>
> Etymology: from g. p. (G= 'Government' P= '80 inch wheelbase')
> A small general-purpose motor vehicle with 80-inch wheelbase,
> 1/4-ton capacity, and four-wheel drive used by the U.S. army in
> World War II.
>
> (Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
> __________________________________________________ _________

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

Well if a Libby could make it: http://www.----------.com/Libby.mov
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------

twaldron wrote:
>
> I've never been there, but I was under the impression that you could
> make the Rubicon as easy (with bypasses) or as difficult as you wanted
> and that a near stock Jeep could make the trip using these bypasses on
> the more difficult obstacles...is this not so?
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jbjeep

Its called "run it backwards" =)

We entered at Wentworth, went as far as Rubicon Springs, and then exited at Loon
Lake. Except those of us who had to take Ellis Creek Road out.

You are 100% correct, you will be in big trouble. In its own way its harder than
finding the trails at Moab, since there you search for known trail markers, scrapes,
tire marks, etc. Several times I couldnt figure out where the guys in front of me
had gone...they got out of site by the time I got there and it would look like there
was two routes...sometimes there was.


>>I wasn't aware there was another way out other than Cadillac Hill. Frankly,
>>if you went out there without a detailed map or a guide you could get
>>yourself in a great deal of trouble in a hurry. Few trail markers and tire
>>marks going in every direction. With one exception, our trail leader, this
>>was the first time on the Rubicon for all of us. We planned the trip out for
>>several months and our leader had us well educated on what to expect. He and
>>his wife had videotaped their first visit last summer, so we all got to see
>>the thing beforehand. It was still a major handful. You are absolutely
>>correct in your trail description. It is just one continuous obstacle. Since
>>we're just a couple of hours from Moab and very close to Silverton/Ouray we
>>don;t generally leave this area very often. Several of us are already
>>planning "Rubicon II", so who knows!
>>
>>Best on the upgrades.
>>"jbjeep" <jbjeep@saw.net> wrote in message
>>news:ahu7j09nvd00ot0itqcltgneanh8dmf4jb@4ax.com. ..
>>> Thanks. I really appreciate the comments.
>>>
>>> Actually, we had less big carnage that I thought we would. the brakes
>>were scary but
>>> easily fixed. Its funny how the body damage didnt bother me. Nothing
>>like rolling
>>> your rig to put it all in perspective! I figured I would be the one with
>>the busted
>>> axles, but I guess I got lucky!! I really liked the trail a lot. Its not
>>like Moab
>>> where you have hard obsticales and then a nice drive, and then some more
>>hard stuff.
>>> Its rock, all the time rock, and then the rock gets bigger and badder in
>>the hard
>>> stuff. You have to be on top of it all the time. I was bummed to miss
>>cadilac hill,
>>> but the guys didnt want to go out that way. Rubicon springs was nice, the
>>day trip
>>> there and back was fun. Little sluice looked like fun for about 1/2 way
>>up. LOL.
>>> Then the rock is too big for my 33's. Old sluice and Big Sluice were just
>>plain fun
>>> (well, other than the brakes). I dont know if I mentioned it in the trip
>>report or
>>> not, but I was the only driver that had never done the trail before. They
>>kept
>>> forgetting that, and it was so very different from what I am used to. I
>>cant wait to
>>> go back again!! (once I get my rig out of the shop - my mechanic is
>>having a heyday,
>>> all the parts showed up this afternoon and he got really excited about it
>>and started
>>> working on it already.) We are doing the tera rear brake conversion, PS
>>trail
>>> corners, and flush mounted tail lights, in addition to a sh**load of
>>maintenance
>>> work.
>>>
>>> Yep, the diaper will be hard to live down. As will Todd's "axle tampon"
>>(I forgot
>>> and left it out of the trip report) ... the plug he made to go inside the
>>axle
>>> housing for the trip home - its absorbent on the inside, its got a string
>>on it, so
>>> what else could you call it? Maria kept us in stiches for about 15
>>minutes with
>>> that. <G> Unfortunitly, that was some of the pics on the camera card
>>that went bad
>>> on me. =( It was a rubber glove stuffed with rags, with a zip tie on
>>the middle to
>>> hold it together and a string from that so that he could get a hold of it
>>to pull it
>>> out when he got the rig home.
>>>
>>> Glad to hear you guys had a good time too. I'll look fowards to seeing
>>those pic's!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 21:18:27 -0600, "Jerry McG"
>><gmcgeorge.remove@frontier.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> >>JB, really enjoyed seeing your pictures and reading your reports. Our
>>group
>>> >>(Creeper Jeepers, Durango CO) was on the Rubicon the 16th - 18th and
>>> >>probably just missed you. Since we only had 2 1/2 days we skipped the
>>Little
>>> >>Sluice and did the bypass, which was tough enough. Stayed at Buck Island
>>the
>>> >>first night, then stopped at Rubicon Springs early the second afternoon
>>and
>>> >>camped the night. Did Cadillac Hill on day 3 and we were back in Tahoe
>>in
>>> >>time to catch a dinner cruise on the MS Dixie.
>>> >>
>>> >>We all survived with just a few dings and a broken hard brake line on an
>>XJ.
>>> >>I "doinked" both of the front fenders on my YJ with the tires from
>>> >>underneath (wanted tube fenders, anyway) and peeled the cover back on my
>>> >>rear D60 just enough to watch it drip for 3 days, wondering how much
>>gear
>>> >>oil was left every morning. (I put a drip pan under it and measured the
>>> >>loss!) Still had plenty when I got back to Tahoe, at which time I
>>wrapped it
>>> >>in a towel, which the group dubbed "the diaper", which I will not live
>>down
>>> >>soon. The best part is that a nice Poison Spider "Rock Ring" that would
>>have
>>> >>prevented all this was sitting on my workbench, too busy / lazy to
>>install
>>> >>it before I left town.
>>> >>
>>> >>I was busy driving so I only got about 50 shots in the whole time we
>>were on
>>> >>the trail. However the others got quite a few, so as soon I have
>>everyone's
>>> >>photos sorted I'll put a link up on Webshots.
>>> >>
>>> >>Glad you all made it back safe & sound. Sounds like you had more of a
>>> >>"carnage adventure" than we did, but the trail is not to be missed.
>>> >>
>>> >>"jbjeep" <jbjeep@saw.net> wrote in message
>>> >>news:v805j0t3jmpccag3krbj7idv9v63620ib2@4ax.com. ..
>>> >>> http://jbjeep.terahex.com/Rubicon04/Rubicon04.html
>>> >>>
>>> >>> If you get a "page not found" error or something similar, please try
>>again
>>> >>later.
>>> >>> The server owner has limited the bandwidth to my site (that's the
>>price I
>>> >>have to pay
>>> >>> for free server space. LOL.) Since this will be hitting all my lists
>>at
>>> >>once, etc,
>>> >>> there will probably be a lot of folks trying to hit on the site.
>>Please
>>> >>be patient
>>> >>> and check back if you don't get in on the first try. The page will be
>>> >>slow to load
>>> >>> due to the pictures embedded in the trip report, and, if you decide to
>>> >>check out the
>>> >>> picture link at the bottom of the page, please remember that it will
>>load
>>> >>VERY VERY
>>> >>> SLOW. I cut out more than 1/2 the pictures that we took, but there is
>>> >>still a LOT of
>>> >>> them there (400-ish). Click on an image for the larger pic.
>>> >>> -jenn
>>> >>>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>>
>>

jbjeep

Its called "run it backwards" =)

We entered at Wentworth, went as far as Rubicon Springs, and then exited at Loon
Lake. Except those of us who had to take Ellis Creek Road out.

You are 100% correct, you will be in big trouble. In its own way its harder than
finding the trails at Moab, since there you search for known trail markers, scrapes,
tire marks, etc. Several times I couldnt figure out where the guys in front of me
had gone...they got out of site by the time I got there and it would look like there
was two routes...sometimes there was.


>>I wasn't aware there was another way out other than Cadillac Hill. Frankly,
>>if you went out there without a detailed map or a guide you could get
>>yourself in a great deal of trouble in a hurry. Few trail markers and tire
>>marks going in every direction. With one exception, our trail leader, this
>>was the first time on the Rubicon for all of us. We planned the trip out for
>>several months and our leader had us well educated on what to expect. He and
>>his wife had videotaped their first visit last summer, so we all got to see
>>the thing beforehand. It was still a major handful. You are absolutely
>>correct in your trail description. It is just one continuous obstacle. Since
>>we're just a couple of hours from Moab and very close to Silverton/Ouray we
>>don;t generally leave this area very often. Several of us are already
>>planning "Rubicon II", so who knows!
>>
>>Best on the upgrades.
>>"jbjeep" <jbjeep@saw.net> wrote in message
>>news:ahu7j09nvd00ot0itqcltgneanh8dmf4jb@4ax.com. ..
>>> Thanks. I really appreciate the comments.
>>>
>>> Actually, we had less big carnage that I thought we would. the brakes
>>were scary but
>>> easily fixed. Its funny how the body damage didnt bother me. Nothing
>>like rolling
>>> your rig to put it all in perspective! I figured I would be the one with
>>the busted
>>> axles, but I guess I got lucky!! I really liked the trail a lot. Its not
>>like Moab
>>> where you have hard obsticales and then a nice drive, and then some more
>>hard stuff.
>>> Its rock, all the time rock, and then the rock gets bigger and badder in
>>the hard
>>> stuff. You have to be on top of it all the time. I was bummed to miss
>>cadilac hill,
>>> but the guys didnt want to go out that way. Rubicon springs was nice, the
>>day trip
>>> there and back was fun. Little sluice looked like fun for about 1/2 way
>>up. LOL.
>>> Then the rock is too big for my 33's. Old sluice and Big Sluice were just
>>plain fun
>>> (well, other than the brakes). I dont know if I mentioned it in the trip
>>report or
>>> not, but I was the only driver that had never done the trail before. They
>>kept
>>> forgetting that, and it was so very different from what I am used to. I
>>cant wait to
>>> go back again!! (once I get my rig out of the shop - my mechanic is
>>having a heyday,
>>> all the parts showed up this afternoon and he got really excited about it
>>and started
>>> working on it already.) We are doing the tera rear brake conversion, PS
>>trail
>>> corners, and flush mounted tail lights, in addition to a sh**load of
>>maintenance
>>> work.
>>>
>>> Yep, the diaper will be hard to live down. As will Todd's "axle tampon"
>>(I forgot
>>> and left it out of the trip report) ... the plug he made to go inside the
>>axle
>>> housing for the trip home - its absorbent on the inside, its got a string
>>on it, so
>>> what else could you call it? Maria kept us in stiches for about 15
>>minutes with
>>> that. <G> Unfortunitly, that was some of the pics on the camera card
>>that went bad
>>> on me. =( It was a rubber glove stuffed with rags, with a zip tie on
>>the middle to
>>> hold it together and a string from that so that he could get a hold of it
>>to pull it
>>> out when he got the rig home.
>>>
>>> Glad to hear you guys had a good time too. I'll look fowards to seeing
>>those pic's!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 21:18:27 -0600, "Jerry McG"
>><gmcgeorge.remove@frontier.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> >>JB, really enjoyed seeing your pictures and reading your reports. Our
>>group
>>> >>(Creeper Jeepers, Durango CO) was on the Rubicon the 16th - 18th and
>>> >>probably just missed you. Since we only had 2 1/2 days we skipped the
>>Little
>>> >>Sluice and did the bypass, which was tough enough. Stayed at Buck Island
>>the
>>> >>first night, then stopped at Rubicon Springs early the second afternoon
>>and
>>> >>camped the night. Did Cadillac Hill on day 3 and we were back in Tahoe
>>in
>>> >>time to catch a dinner cruise on the MS Dixie.
>>> >>
>>> >>We all survived with just a few dings and a broken hard brake line on an
>>XJ.
>>> >>I "doinked" both of the front fenders on my YJ with the tires from
>>> >>underneath (wanted tube fenders, anyway) and peeled the cover back on my
>>> >>rear D60 just enough to watch it drip for 3 days, wondering how much
>>gear
>>> >>oil was left every morning. (I put a drip pan under it and measured the
>>> >>loss!) Still had plenty when I got back to Tahoe, at which time I
>>wrapped it
>>> >>in a towel, which the group dubbed "the diaper", which I will not live
>>down
>>> >>soon. The best part is that a nice Poison Spider "Rock Ring" that would
>>have
>>> >>prevented all this was sitting on my workbench, too busy / lazy to
>>install
>>> >>it before I left town.
>>> >>
>>> >>I was busy driving so I only got about 50 shots in the whole time we
>>were on
>>> >>the trail. However the others got quite a few, so as soon I have
>>everyone's
>>> >>photos sorted I'll put a link up on Webshots.
>>> >>
>>> >>Glad you all made it back safe & sound. Sounds like you had more of a
>>> >>"carnage adventure" than we did, but the trail is not to be missed.
>>> >>
>>> >>"jbjeep" <jbjeep@saw.net> wrote in message
>>> >>news:v805j0t3jmpccag3krbj7idv9v63620ib2@4ax.com. ..
>>> >>> http://jbjeep.terahex.com/Rubicon04/Rubicon04.html
>>> >>>
>>> >>> If you get a "page not found" error or something similar, please try
>>again
>>> >>later.
>>> >>> The server owner has limited the bandwidth to my site (that's the
>>price I
>>> >>have to pay
>>> >>> for free server space. LOL.) Since this will be hitting all my lists
>>at
>>> >>once, etc,
>>> >>> there will probably be a lot of folks trying to hit on the site.
>>Please
>>> >>be patient
>>> >>> and check back if you don't get in on the first try. The page will be
>>> >>slow to load
>>> >>> due to the pictures embedded in the trip report, and, if you decide to
>>> >>check out the
>>> >>> picture link at the bottom of the page, please remember that it will
>>load
>>> >>VERY VERY
>>> >>> SLOW. I cut out more than 1/2 the pictures that we took, but there is
>>> >>still a LOT of
>>> >>> them there (400-ish). Click on an image for the larger pic.
>>> >>> -jenn
>>> >>>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>>
>>

jbjeep

Its called "run it backwards" =)

We entered at Wentworth, went as far as Rubicon Springs, and then exited at Loon
Lake. Except those of us who had to take Ellis Creek Road out.

You are 100% correct, you will be in big trouble. In its own way its harder than
finding the trails at Moab, since there you search for known trail markers, scrapes,
tire marks, etc. Several times I couldnt figure out where the guys in front of me
had gone...they got out of site by the time I got there and it would look like there
was two routes...sometimes there was.


>>I wasn't aware there was another way out other than Cadillac Hill. Frankly,
>>if you went out there without a detailed map or a guide you could get
>>yourself in a great deal of trouble in a hurry. Few trail markers and tire
>>marks going in every direction. With one exception, our trail leader, this
>>was the first time on the Rubicon for all of us. We planned the trip out for
>>several months and our leader had us well educated on what to expect. He and
>>his wife had videotaped their first visit last summer, so we all got to see
>>the thing beforehand. It was still a major handful. You are absolutely
>>correct in your trail description. It is just one continuous obstacle. Since
>>we're just a couple of hours from Moab and very close to Silverton/Ouray we
>>don;t generally leave this area very often. Several of us are already
>>planning "Rubicon II", so who knows!
>>
>>Best on the upgrades.
>>"jbjeep" <jbjeep@saw.net> wrote in message
>>news:ahu7j09nvd00ot0itqcltgneanh8dmf4jb@4ax.com. ..
>>> Thanks. I really appreciate the comments.
>>>
>>> Actually, we had less big carnage that I thought we would. the brakes
>>were scary but
>>> easily fixed. Its funny how the body damage didnt bother me. Nothing
>>like rolling
>>> your rig to put it all in perspective! I figured I would be the one with
>>the busted
>>> axles, but I guess I got lucky!! I really liked the trail a lot. Its not
>>like Moab
>>> where you have hard obsticales and then a nice drive, and then some more
>>hard stuff.
>>> Its rock, all the time rock, and then the rock gets bigger and badder in
>>the hard
>>> stuff. You have to be on top of it all the time. I was bummed to miss
>>cadilac hill,
>>> but the guys didnt want to go out that way. Rubicon springs was nice, the
>>day trip
>>> there and back was fun. Little sluice looked like fun for about 1/2 way
>>up. LOL.
>>> Then the rock is too big for my 33's. Old sluice and Big Sluice were just
>>plain fun
>>> (well, other than the brakes). I dont know if I mentioned it in the trip
>>report or
>>> not, but I was the only driver that had never done the trail before. They
>>kept
>>> forgetting that, and it was so very different from what I am used to. I
>>cant wait to
>>> go back again!! (once I get my rig out of the shop - my mechanic is
>>having a heyday,
>>> all the parts showed up this afternoon and he got really excited about it
>>and started
>>> working on it already.) We are doing the tera rear brake conversion, PS
>>trail
>>> corners, and flush mounted tail lights, in addition to a sh**load of
>>maintenance
>>> work.
>>>
>>> Yep, the diaper will be hard to live down. As will Todd's "axle tampon"
>>(I forgot
>>> and left it out of the trip report) ... the plug he made to go inside the
>>axle
>>> housing for the trip home - its absorbent on the inside, its got a string
>>on it, so
>>> what else could you call it? Maria kept us in stiches for about 15
>>minutes with
>>> that. <G> Unfortunitly, that was some of the pics on the camera card
>>that went bad
>>> on me. =( It was a rubber glove stuffed with rags, with a zip tie on
>>the middle to
>>> hold it together and a string from that so that he could get a hold of it
>>to pull it
>>> out when he got the rig home.
>>>
>>> Glad to hear you guys had a good time too. I'll look fowards to seeing
>>those pic's!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 21:18:27 -0600, "Jerry McG"
>><gmcgeorge.remove@frontier.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> >>JB, really enjoyed seeing your pictures and reading your reports. Our
>>group
>>> >>(Creeper Jeepers, Durango CO) was on the Rubicon the 16th - 18th and
>>> >>probably just missed you. Since we only had 2 1/2 days we skipped the
>>Little
>>> >>Sluice and did the bypass, which was tough enough. Stayed at Buck Island
>>the
>>> >>first night, then stopped at Rubicon Springs early the second afternoon
>>and
>>> >>camped the night. Did Cadillac Hill on day 3 and we were back in Tahoe
>>in
>>> >>time to catch a dinner cruise on the MS Dixie.
>>> >>
>>> >>We all survived with just a few dings and a broken hard brake line on an
>>XJ.
>>> >>I "doinked" both of the front fenders on my YJ with the tires from
>>> >>underneath (wanted tube fenders, anyway) and peeled the cover back on my
>>> >>rear D60 just enough to watch it drip for 3 days, wondering how much
>>gear
>>> >>oil was left every morning. (I put a drip pan under it and measured the
>>> >>loss!) Still had plenty when I got back to Tahoe, at which time I
>>wrapped it
>>> >>in a towel, which the group dubbed "the diaper", which I will not live
>>down
>>> >>soon. The best part is that a nice Poison Spider "Rock Ring" that would
>>have
>>> >>prevented all this was sitting on my workbench, too busy / lazy to
>>install
>>> >>it before I left town.
>>> >>
>>> >>I was busy driving so I only got about 50 shots in the whole time we
>>were on
>>> >>the trail. However the others got quite a few, so as soon I have
>>everyone's
>>> >>photos sorted I'll put a link up on Webshots.
>>> >>
>>> >>Glad you all made it back safe & sound. Sounds like you had more of a
>>> >>"carnage adventure" than we did, but the trail is not to be missed.
>>> >>
>>> >>"jbjeep" <jbjeep@saw.net> wrote in message
>>> >>news:v805j0t3jmpccag3krbj7idv9v63620ib2@4ax.com. ..
>>> >>> http://jbjeep.terahex.com/Rubicon04/Rubicon04.html
>>> >>>
>>> >>> If you get a "page not found" error or something similar, please try
>>again
>>> >>later.
>>> >>> The server owner has limited the bandwidth to my site (that's the
>>price I
>>> >>have to pay
>>> >>> for free server space. LOL.) Since this will be hitting all my lists
>>at
>>> >>once, etc,
>>> >>> there will probably be a lot of folks trying to hit on the site.
>>Please
>>> >>be patient
>>> >>> and check back if you don't get in on the first try. The page will be
>>> >>slow to load
>>> >>> due to the pictures embedded in the trip report, and, if you decide to
>>> >>check out the
>>> >>> picture link at the bottom of the page, please remember that it will
>>load
>>> >>VERY VERY
>>> >>> SLOW. I cut out more than 1/2 the pictures that we took, but there is
>>> >>still a LOT of
>>> >>> them there (400-ish). Click on an image for the larger pic.
>>> >>> -jenn
>>> >>>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>>
>>

jbjeep

UP to a point I think you are right.

2 of the 3 sluices seemed to have bypasses. Many of the obsticales had bypasses.
The slabs are easier than the sluices and the hills. Not that they are easy mind
you.



On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 15:20:38 GMT, twaldron <thomas@OBVIOUSrubicons.com> wrote:

>>I've never been there, but I was under the impression that you could
>>make the Rubicon as easy (with bypasses) or as difficult as you wanted
>>and that a near stock Jeep could make the trip using these bypasses on
>>the more difficult obstacles...is this not so?
>>
>>Jerry McG wrote:
>>
>>> JB,
>>>
>>> I wasn't aware there was another way out other than Cadillac Hill. Frankly,
>>> if you went out there without a detailed map or a guide you could get
>>> yourself in a great deal of trouble in a hurry. Few trail markers and tire
>>> marks going in every direction. With one exception, our trail leader, this
>>> was the first time on the Rubicon for all of us. We planned the trip out for
>>> several months and our leader had us well educated on what to expect. He and
>>> his wife had videotaped their first visit last summer, so we all got to see
>>> the thing beforehand. It was still a major handful. You are absolutely
>>> correct in your trail description. It is just one continuous obstacle. Since
>>> we're just a couple of hours from Moab and very close to Silverton/Ouray we
>>> don;t generally leave this area very often. Several of us are already
>>> planning "Rubicon II", so who knows!
>>>
>>> Best on the upgrades.
>>> "jbjeep" <jbjeep@saw.net> wrote in message
>>> news:ahu7j09nvd00ot0itqcltgneanh8dmf4jb@4ax.com...
>>>
>>>>Thanks. I really appreciate the comments.
>>>>
>>>>Actually, we had less big carnage that I thought we would. the brakes
>>>
>>> were scary but
>>>
>>>>easily fixed. Its funny how the body damage didnt bother me. Nothing
>>>
>>> like rolling
>>>
>>>>your rig to put it all in perspective! I figured I would be the one with
>>>
>>> the busted
>>>
>>>>axles, but I guess I got lucky!! I really liked the trail a lot. Its not
>>>
>>> like Moab
>>>
>>>>where you have hard obsticales and then a nice drive, and then some more
>>>
>>> hard stuff.
>>>
>>>>Its rock, all the time rock, and then the rock gets bigger and badder in
>>>
>>> the hard
>>>
>>>>stuff. You have to be on top of it all the time. I was bummed to miss
>>>
>>> cadilac hill,
>>>
>>>>but the guys didnt want to go out that way. Rubicon springs was nice, the
>>>
>>> day trip
>>>
>>>>there and back was fun. Little sluice looked like fun for about 1/2 way
>>>
>>> up. LOL.
>>>
>>>>Then the rock is too big for my 33's. Old sluice and Big Sluice were just
>>>
>>> plain fun
>>>
>>>>(well, other than the brakes). I dont know if I mentioned it in the trip
>>>
>>> report or
>>>
>>>>not, but I was the only driver that had never done the trail before. They
>>>
>>> kept
>>>
>>>>forgetting that, and it was so very different from what I am used to. I
>>>
>>> cant wait to
>>>
>>>>go back again!! (once I get my rig out of the shop - my mechanic is
>>>
>>> having a heyday,
>>>
>>>>all the parts showed up this afternoon and he got really excited about it
>>>
>>> and started
>>>
>>>>working on it already.) We are doing the tera rear brake conversion, PS
>>>
>>> trail
>>>
>>>>corners, and flush mounted tail lights, in addition to a sh**load of
>>>
>>> maintenance
>>>
>>>>work.
>>>>
>>>>Yep, the diaper will be hard to live down. As will Todd's "axle tampon"
>>>
>>> (I forgot
>>>
>>>>and left it out of the trip report) ... the plug he made to go inside the
>>>
>>> axle
>>>
>>>>housing for the trip home - its absorbent on the inside, its got a string
>>>
>>> on it, so
>>>
>>>>what else could you call it? Maria kept us in stiches for about 15
>>>
>>> minutes with
>>>
>>>>that. <G> Unfortunitly, that was some of the pics on the camera card
>>>
>>> that went bad
>>>
>>>>on me. =( It was a rubber glove stuffed with rags, with a zip tie on
>>>
>>> the middle to
>>>
>>>>hold it together and a string from that so that he could get a hold of it
>>>
>>> to pull it
>>>
>>>>out when he got the rig home.
>>>>
>>>>Glad to hear you guys had a good time too. I'll look fowards to seeing
>>>
>>> those pic's!
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 21:18:27 -0600, "Jerry McG"
>>>
>>> <gmcgeorge.remove@frontier.net>
>>>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>JB, really enjoyed seeing your pictures and reading your reports. Our
>>>
>>> group
>>>
>>>>>>(Creeper Jeepers, Durango CO) was on the Rubicon the 16th - 18th and
>>>>>>probably just missed you. Since we only had 2 1/2 days we skipped the
>>>
>>> Little
>>>
>>>>>>Sluice and did the bypass, which was tough enough. Stayed at Buck Island
>>>
>>> the
>>>
>>>>>>first night, then stopped at Rubicon Springs early the second afternoon
>>>
>>> and
>>>
>>>>>>camped the night. Did Cadillac Hill on day 3 and we were back in Tahoe
>>>
>>> in
>>>
>>>>>>time to catch a dinner cruise on the MS Dixie.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>We all survived with just a few dings and a broken hard brake line on an
>>>
>>> XJ.
>>>
>>>>>>I "doinked" both of the front fenders on my YJ with the tires from
>>>>>>underneath (wanted tube fenders, anyway) and peeled the cover back on my
>>>>>>rear D60 just enough to watch it drip for 3 days, wondering how much
>>>
>>> gear
>>>
>>>>>>oil was left every morning. (I put a drip pan under it and measured the
>>>>>>loss!) Still had plenty when I got back to Tahoe, at which time I
>>>
>>> wrapped it
>>>
>>>>>>in a towel, which the group dubbed "the diaper", which I will not live
>>>
>>> down
>>>
>>>>>>soon. The best part is that a nice Poison Spider "Rock Ring" that would
>>>
>>> have
>>>
>>>>>>prevented all this was sitting on my workbench, too busy / lazy to
>>>
>>> install
>>>
>>>>>>it before I left town.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I was busy driving so I only got about 50 shots in the whole time we
>>>
>>> were on
>>>
>>>>>>the trail. However the others got quite a few, so as soon I have
>>>
>>> everyone's
>>>
>>>>>>photos sorted I'll put a link up on Webshots.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Glad you all made it back safe & sound. Sounds like you had more of a
>>>>>>"carnage adventure" than we did, but the trail is not to be missed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"jbjeep" <jbjeep@saw.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>news:v805j0t3jmpccag3krbj7idv9v63620ib2@4ax. com...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>http://jbjeep.terahex.com/Rubicon04/Rubicon04.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>If you get a "page not found" error or something similar, please try
>>>
>>> again
>>>
>>>>>>later.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The server owner has limited the bandwidth to my site (that's the
>>>
>>> price I
>>>
>>>>>>have to pay
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>for free server space. LOL.) Since this will be hitting all my lists
>>>
>>> at
>>>
>>>>>>once, etc,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>there will probably be a lot of folks trying to hit on the site.
>>>
>>> Please
>>>
>>>>>>be patient
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>and check back if you don't get in on the first try. The page will be
>>>>>>
>>>>>>slow to load
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>due to the pictures embedded in the trip report, and, if you decide to
>>>>>>
>>>>>>check out the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>picture link at the bottom of the page, please remember that it will
>>>
>>> load
>>>
>>>>>>VERY VERY
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>SLOW. I cut out more than 1/2 the pictures that we took, but there is
>>>>>>
>>>>>>still a LOT of
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>them there (400-ish). Click on an image for the larger pic.
>>>>>>>-jenn
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>
>>>