Re: Tomb Raider Rubicon
#31
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Re: Tomb Raider Rubicon
Hey Earle,
You ARE right about some things tho. I purchased my Rubicon with A/C
simply because I thought it would increase trade-in. Not because I LIVE
IN TEXAS or anything. I only got the lockers because of the speed bumps
in the mall parking lot. Damn, those things are gettig bigger every
year. I'm glad they're starting to paint them yellow so I can hit my
locker button and get both axles locked in before I actually start the
long climb over the speed bump.
Can you and McFly take this to a chat room?
Earle Horton wrote:
> You're wasting your breath. Many of these guys are Telluride types who buy
> into the whole illusion thing and bought the Rubicon for that. They
> *believe* that AC actually increases trade-in value. Either that, or
> they're incredibly rich and paying double value for a locker/compressor
> combo is merely convenient. Think of it as a parallel reality to what you
> and I are used to, and since you live in Durango I am not so sure about
> you...
>
> By the way, ¡Hace mucho calor! in Grand Junction today and that long Labor
> Day weekend back in Silverton is sure going to come in handy.
>
> Earle
>
--
__________________________________________________ _________
tw
03 TJ Rubicon
01 XJ Sport
There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry
http://www.7slotgrille.com/jeepers/t...ron/index.html
(Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
__________________________________________________ _________
You ARE right about some things tho. I purchased my Rubicon with A/C
simply because I thought it would increase trade-in. Not because I LIVE
IN TEXAS or anything. I only got the lockers because of the speed bumps
in the mall parking lot. Damn, those things are gettig bigger every
year. I'm glad they're starting to paint them yellow so I can hit my
locker button and get both axles locked in before I actually start the
long climb over the speed bump.
Can you and McFly take this to a chat room?
Earle Horton wrote:
> You're wasting your breath. Many of these guys are Telluride types who buy
> into the whole illusion thing and bought the Rubicon for that. They
> *believe* that AC actually increases trade-in value. Either that, or
> they're incredibly rich and paying double value for a locker/compressor
> combo is merely convenient. Think of it as a parallel reality to what you
> and I are used to, and since you live in Durango I am not so sure about
> you...
>
> By the way, ¡Hace mucho calor! in Grand Junction today and that long Labor
> Day weekend back in Silverton is sure going to come in handy.
>
> Earle
>
--
__________________________________________________ _________
tw
03 TJ Rubicon
01 XJ Sport
There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry
http://www.7slotgrille.com/jeepers/t...ron/index.html
(Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
__________________________________________________ _________
#32
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Re: Tomb Raider Rubicon
I think we're making progress! ;-)
"twaldron" <twaldron@sbcOBVIOUSglobal.net> wrote in message
news:_lx2b.3587$Pr1.133@newssvr22.news.prodigy.com ...
> Hey Earle,
>
> You ARE right about some things tho. I purchased my Rubicon with A/C
> simply because I thought it would increase trade-in. Not because I LIVE
> IN TEXAS or anything. I only got the lockers because of the speed bumps
> in the mall parking lot. Damn, those things are gettig bigger every
> year. I'm glad they're starting to paint them yellow so I can hit my
> locker button and get both axles locked in before I actually start the
> long climb over the speed bump.
>
> Can you and McFly take this to a chat room?
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
>
> > You're wasting your breath. Many of these guys are Telluride types who
buy
> > into the whole illusion thing and bought the Rubicon for that. They
> > *believe* that AC actually increases trade-in value. Either that, or
> > they're incredibly rich and paying double value for a locker/compressor
> > combo is merely convenient. Think of it as a parallel reality to what
you
> > and I are used to, and since you live in Durango I am not so sure about
> > you...
> >
> > By the way, ¡Hace mucho calor! in Grand Junction today and that long
Labor
> > Day weekend back in Silverton is sure going to come in handy.
> >
> > Earle
> >
>
> --
> __________________________________________________ _________
> tw
> 03 TJ Rubicon
> 01 XJ Sport
>
> There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
> -- Dave Barry
>
> http://www.7slotgrille.com/jeepers/t...ron/index.html
> (Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
> __________________________________________________ _________
>
"twaldron" <twaldron@sbcOBVIOUSglobal.net> wrote in message
news:_lx2b.3587$Pr1.133@newssvr22.news.prodigy.com ...
> Hey Earle,
>
> You ARE right about some things tho. I purchased my Rubicon with A/C
> simply because I thought it would increase trade-in. Not because I LIVE
> IN TEXAS or anything. I only got the lockers because of the speed bumps
> in the mall parking lot. Damn, those things are gettig bigger every
> year. I'm glad they're starting to paint them yellow so I can hit my
> locker button and get both axles locked in before I actually start the
> long climb over the speed bump.
>
> Can you and McFly take this to a chat room?
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
>
> > You're wasting your breath. Many of these guys are Telluride types who
buy
> > into the whole illusion thing and bought the Rubicon for that. They
> > *believe* that AC actually increases trade-in value. Either that, or
> > they're incredibly rich and paying double value for a locker/compressor
> > combo is merely convenient. Think of it as a parallel reality to what
you
> > and I are used to, and since you live in Durango I am not so sure about
> > you...
> >
> > By the way, ¡Hace mucho calor! in Grand Junction today and that long
Labor
> > Day weekend back in Silverton is sure going to come in handy.
> >
> > Earle
> >
>
> --
> __________________________________________________ _________
> tw
> 03 TJ Rubicon
> 01 XJ Sport
>
> There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
> -- Dave Barry
>
> http://www.7slotgrille.com/jeepers/t...ron/index.html
> (Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
> __________________________________________________ _________
>
#33
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Re: Tomb Raider Rubicon
I think we're making progress! ;-)
"twaldron" <twaldron@sbcOBVIOUSglobal.net> wrote in message
news:_lx2b.3587$Pr1.133@newssvr22.news.prodigy.com ...
> Hey Earle,
>
> You ARE right about some things tho. I purchased my Rubicon with A/C
> simply because I thought it would increase trade-in. Not because I LIVE
> IN TEXAS or anything. I only got the lockers because of the speed bumps
> in the mall parking lot. Damn, those things are gettig bigger every
> year. I'm glad they're starting to paint them yellow so I can hit my
> locker button and get both axles locked in before I actually start the
> long climb over the speed bump.
>
> Can you and McFly take this to a chat room?
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
>
> > You're wasting your breath. Many of these guys are Telluride types who
buy
> > into the whole illusion thing and bought the Rubicon for that. They
> > *believe* that AC actually increases trade-in value. Either that, or
> > they're incredibly rich and paying double value for a locker/compressor
> > combo is merely convenient. Think of it as a parallel reality to what
you
> > and I are used to, and since you live in Durango I am not so sure about
> > you...
> >
> > By the way, ¡Hace mucho calor! in Grand Junction today and that long
Labor
> > Day weekend back in Silverton is sure going to come in handy.
> >
> > Earle
> >
>
> --
> __________________________________________________ _________
> tw
> 03 TJ Rubicon
> 01 XJ Sport
>
> There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
> -- Dave Barry
>
> http://www.7slotgrille.com/jeepers/t...ron/index.html
> (Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
> __________________________________________________ _________
>
"twaldron" <twaldron@sbcOBVIOUSglobal.net> wrote in message
news:_lx2b.3587$Pr1.133@newssvr22.news.prodigy.com ...
> Hey Earle,
>
> You ARE right about some things tho. I purchased my Rubicon with A/C
> simply because I thought it would increase trade-in. Not because I LIVE
> IN TEXAS or anything. I only got the lockers because of the speed bumps
> in the mall parking lot. Damn, those things are gettig bigger every
> year. I'm glad they're starting to paint them yellow so I can hit my
> locker button and get both axles locked in before I actually start the
> long climb over the speed bump.
>
> Can you and McFly take this to a chat room?
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
>
> > You're wasting your breath. Many of these guys are Telluride types who
buy
> > into the whole illusion thing and bought the Rubicon for that. They
> > *believe* that AC actually increases trade-in value. Either that, or
> > they're incredibly rich and paying double value for a locker/compressor
> > combo is merely convenient. Think of it as a parallel reality to what
you
> > and I are used to, and since you live in Durango I am not so sure about
> > you...
> >
> > By the way, ¡Hace mucho calor! in Grand Junction today and that long
Labor
> > Day weekend back in Silverton is sure going to come in handy.
> >
> > Earle
> >
>
> --
> __________________________________________________ _________
> tw
> 03 TJ Rubicon
> 01 XJ Sport
>
> There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
> -- Dave Barry
>
> http://www.7slotgrille.com/jeepers/t...ron/index.html
> (Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
> __________________________________________________ _________
>
#34
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Re: Tomb Raider Rubicon
The motorcycles don't really bother me a whole lot because most of them are
too sissified to take their machines on unpaved roads, like everything in
Silverton except Greene street. I have on occasion walked over there to
look at the machines and talk to the owners. Some of them will actually
talk to non-Harley owners about non-Harley topics, but most of them are too
stuck up. ("Hey guys, I understand, I used to be a computer programmer
too!")
It's a change from the Rubicon owners, but not much of one, eh?
As far as "Socialist-PC crowd" goes, you have these people all wrong. All
they want is ripe fat tourists, fit for milking, and being from Durango you
are just as good a plum as a fat insurance salesman motorcycle driver. The
socialist act is just part of the show...
Earle
"Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
news:vkl924ffucjmaa@corp.supernews.com...
> Hey, you better get ready, the Labor Day motorcycle rally is coming up
next
> weekend and they're going to be crawling all over Silverton. I actually
love
> it when they come to town, 'cuz it drives the Socialist-PC crowd here
> INSANE!
>
>
> "Earle Horton" <enfermero_diabolico@registerednurses.com> wrote in message
> news:bie6cl$8bul3$1@ID-147790.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > You're wasting your breath. Many of these guys are Telluride types who
> buy
> > into the whole illusion thing and bought the Rubicon for that. They
> > *believe* that AC actually increases trade-in value. Either that, or
> > they're incredibly rich and paying double value for a locker/compressor
> > combo is merely convenient. Think of it as a parallel reality to what
you
> > and I are used to, and since you live in Durango I am not so sure about
> > you...
> >
> > By the way, ¡Hace mucho calor! in Grand Junction today and that long
Labor
> > Day weekend back in Silverton is sure going to come in handy.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
> > news:vkl16s3idpg7a5@corp.supernews.com...
> > > I didn't say the Rubicon sucked at all, quite the contrary. I said it
> was
> > a
> > > great product, but that the mfr/dealer equation overpriced a simple
set
> of
> > > upgrade options to the degree that the vehicle won't get bought or
used
> by
> > > enthusiast Jeepers in a way it was intended.
> > >
> > > Look, the lockers are the only feature of the Rubicon's spec that are
> > > ADDITIONAL to a base TJ. That is, all TJs are 4wd, with xfer cases.
> Having
> > > worked over 25 years for auto mfrs I can say with authority there's
only
> a
> > > minute, marginal cost difference between a D44 and either the D30 or
35,
> > and
> > > the 4.1 xfer case isn't much more costly than a base NV231 either. The
> > only
> > > real added cost to the mfr is the locker/compressor combo, and that's
> not
> > > worth $5k.
> > > (You have to think in terms of what a manufacturer pays for
components,
> > not
> > > what the consumer pays. The difference is enormous.)
> > >
> > > Dealers get into the act when they tart up the things with
> non-performance
> > > related "cruising" options (cd players, A/C, etc.) that cost the
> consumer
> > a
> > > bundle and are virtually worthless the minute the thing rolls off the
> lot,
> > > and add on another $2k for "additional dealer profit" and the goose is
> > > cooked..
> > >
> > > "Jeff Strickland" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > news:vkkpn7ec2ift2b@corp.supernews.com...
> > > > I fail to see how the price and the relative suckiness have anything
> to
> > do
> > > > with one another.
> > > >
> > > > You have said twice how bad the Rubicon sucks, but your sole support
> to
> > > your
> > > > assertion is the price they get for some silly options. I want to
know
> > why
> > > > it sucks, not how poorly the accessory list is put together.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
> > > > news:vkenruqvbsvi3e@corp.supernews.com...
> > > > > Ah, but one can come to the wrong assumptions in haste, can't one?
I
> > > > > presently own three Jeeps and an MB E430 Sport. Price is not the
> > issue,
> > > I
> > > > > can write check for one this morning, thank you.
> > > > >
> > > > > My point here, my overly sensitive Jeeping friends, is that the
> thing
> > > was
> > > > > priced unreasonably high given its content, then, due to its
> > restricted
> > > > > production volume, the dealers did their usual opportunistic
> optioning
> > > and
> > > > > price gouging, luring many of those who bought them out of the
> "don't
> > > get
> > > > > it dirty it's just a hip car for cruising" crowd.
> > > > >
> > > > > Those of us who've spent a bundle to build our Jeeps just chuckle.
> > > Perhaps
> > > > > as they get out on the used market more will get into the hands of
> > true
> > > > Jeep
> > > > > enthusiasts, right now the owner base seems to be more attuned the
> > > quality
> > > > > of the CD players than the performance of the 4.1 xfer case or the
> > > > lockers.
> > > > >
> > > > > There was absolutely no justification for the price premium
Chrysler
> > put
> > > > on
> > > > > the thing. The content's combined incremental build cost premium
to
> > > > Chrysler
> > > > > can't be much more than $1000 over a D44 Sport. (They could have
> > simply
> > > > made
> > > > > the axles, lockers and xfer case a check-off option.) Folks that
> > ordered
> > > > > them from larger metro-area dealerships complain about paying
> > > over-sticker
> > > > > premiums and having to take them with silly options they didn't
> > order,
> > > > want
> > > > > or need (yes, power mirrors ARE an option on the Rubicon), or
> finding
> > > out
> > > > > once they arrived that the dealer had peppered the things with
glass
> > > tint,
> > > > > mud guards, stone shields, etc. Some dealers then told the buyer
who
> > > > ordered
> > > > > them to "take it or leave it". Typical car dealer BS. Our local
> dealer
> > > was
> > > > > merciful and sold them at sticker.
> > > > >
> > > > > Sorry if I offended any enthusiast Rubicon owners out there, was
not
> > my
> > > > > intent and I should have been more specific. It's a great product,
> > just
> > > > > riles many of us who loathe the way manufacturers and dealers take
> > > > advantage
> > > > > of consumers.
> > > > >
> > > > > ...but, Earle DOES live in God's country and we're heading that
way
> > this
> > > > AM!
> > > > >
> > > > > "Earle Horton" <enfermero_diabolico@registerednurses.com> wrote in
> > > message
> > > > > news:bi6msk$5inl2$1@ID-147790.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > > > > > "Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:vkdgi0pkuncte3@corp.supernews.com...
> > > > > > > Frankly, there's getting to be a school of thought among
veteran
> > > > > > > Jeepers that the Rubicon simply SUCKS, mostly due to its
owners.
> > > > > > > There must have been 500 of the things at Moab last year and
> > > > > > > eventually everyone avoided them like the plague. This months
JP
> > > > > > > mag lists them among the 10 Jeeps they wouldn't own.
> > > > > > > ...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > A FAMISHED FOX saw some clusters of ripe black grapes hanging
from
> a
> > > > > > trellised vine. She resorted to all her tricks to get at them,
but
> > > > wearied
> > > > > > herself in vain, for she could not reach them. At last she
turned
> > > away,
> > > > > > hiding her disappointment and saying: "The Grapes are sour, and
> not
> > > ripe
> > > > > as
> > > > > > I thought."
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --Aesop, pretty darn smart Ancient Greek
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Earle
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
too sissified to take their machines on unpaved roads, like everything in
Silverton except Greene street. I have on occasion walked over there to
look at the machines and talk to the owners. Some of them will actually
talk to non-Harley owners about non-Harley topics, but most of them are too
stuck up. ("Hey guys, I understand, I used to be a computer programmer
too!")
It's a change from the Rubicon owners, but not much of one, eh?
As far as "Socialist-PC crowd" goes, you have these people all wrong. All
they want is ripe fat tourists, fit for milking, and being from Durango you
are just as good a plum as a fat insurance salesman motorcycle driver. The
socialist act is just part of the show...
Earle
"Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
news:vkl924ffucjmaa@corp.supernews.com...
> Hey, you better get ready, the Labor Day motorcycle rally is coming up
next
> weekend and they're going to be crawling all over Silverton. I actually
love
> it when they come to town, 'cuz it drives the Socialist-PC crowd here
> INSANE!
>
>
> "Earle Horton" <enfermero_diabolico@registerednurses.com> wrote in message
> news:bie6cl$8bul3$1@ID-147790.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > You're wasting your breath. Many of these guys are Telluride types who
> buy
> > into the whole illusion thing and bought the Rubicon for that. They
> > *believe* that AC actually increases trade-in value. Either that, or
> > they're incredibly rich and paying double value for a locker/compressor
> > combo is merely convenient. Think of it as a parallel reality to what
you
> > and I are used to, and since you live in Durango I am not so sure about
> > you...
> >
> > By the way, ¡Hace mucho calor! in Grand Junction today and that long
Labor
> > Day weekend back in Silverton is sure going to come in handy.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
> > news:vkl16s3idpg7a5@corp.supernews.com...
> > > I didn't say the Rubicon sucked at all, quite the contrary. I said it
> was
> > a
> > > great product, but that the mfr/dealer equation overpriced a simple
set
> of
> > > upgrade options to the degree that the vehicle won't get bought or
used
> by
> > > enthusiast Jeepers in a way it was intended.
> > >
> > > Look, the lockers are the only feature of the Rubicon's spec that are
> > > ADDITIONAL to a base TJ. That is, all TJs are 4wd, with xfer cases.
> Having
> > > worked over 25 years for auto mfrs I can say with authority there's
only
> a
> > > minute, marginal cost difference between a D44 and either the D30 or
35,
> > and
> > > the 4.1 xfer case isn't much more costly than a base NV231 either. The
> > only
> > > real added cost to the mfr is the locker/compressor combo, and that's
> not
> > > worth $5k.
> > > (You have to think in terms of what a manufacturer pays for
components,
> > not
> > > what the consumer pays. The difference is enormous.)
> > >
> > > Dealers get into the act when they tart up the things with
> non-performance
> > > related "cruising" options (cd players, A/C, etc.) that cost the
> consumer
> > a
> > > bundle and are virtually worthless the minute the thing rolls off the
> lot,
> > > and add on another $2k for "additional dealer profit" and the goose is
> > > cooked..
> > >
> > > "Jeff Strickland" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > news:vkkpn7ec2ift2b@corp.supernews.com...
> > > > I fail to see how the price and the relative suckiness have anything
> to
> > do
> > > > with one another.
> > > >
> > > > You have said twice how bad the Rubicon sucks, but your sole support
> to
> > > your
> > > > assertion is the price they get for some silly options. I want to
know
> > why
> > > > it sucks, not how poorly the accessory list is put together.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
> > > > news:vkenruqvbsvi3e@corp.supernews.com...
> > > > > Ah, but one can come to the wrong assumptions in haste, can't one?
I
> > > > > presently own three Jeeps and an MB E430 Sport. Price is not the
> > issue,
> > > I
> > > > > can write check for one this morning, thank you.
> > > > >
> > > > > My point here, my overly sensitive Jeeping friends, is that the
> thing
> > > was
> > > > > priced unreasonably high given its content, then, due to its
> > restricted
> > > > > production volume, the dealers did their usual opportunistic
> optioning
> > > and
> > > > > price gouging, luring many of those who bought them out of the
> "don't
> > > get
> > > > > it dirty it's just a hip car for cruising" crowd.
> > > > >
> > > > > Those of us who've spent a bundle to build our Jeeps just chuckle.
> > > Perhaps
> > > > > as they get out on the used market more will get into the hands of
> > true
> > > > Jeep
> > > > > enthusiasts, right now the owner base seems to be more attuned the
> > > quality
> > > > > of the CD players than the performance of the 4.1 xfer case or the
> > > > lockers.
> > > > >
> > > > > There was absolutely no justification for the price premium
Chrysler
> > put
> > > > on
> > > > > the thing. The content's combined incremental build cost premium
to
> > > > Chrysler
> > > > > can't be much more than $1000 over a D44 Sport. (They could have
> > simply
> > > > made
> > > > > the axles, lockers and xfer case a check-off option.) Folks that
> > ordered
> > > > > them from larger metro-area dealerships complain about paying
> > > over-sticker
> > > > > premiums and having to take them with silly options they didn't
> > order,
> > > > want
> > > > > or need (yes, power mirrors ARE an option on the Rubicon), or
> finding
> > > out
> > > > > once they arrived that the dealer had peppered the things with
glass
> > > tint,
> > > > > mud guards, stone shields, etc. Some dealers then told the buyer
who
> > > > ordered
> > > > > them to "take it or leave it". Typical car dealer BS. Our local
> dealer
> > > was
> > > > > merciful and sold them at sticker.
> > > > >
> > > > > Sorry if I offended any enthusiast Rubicon owners out there, was
not
> > my
> > > > > intent and I should have been more specific. It's a great product,
> > just
> > > > > riles many of us who loathe the way manufacturers and dealers take
> > > > advantage
> > > > > of consumers.
> > > > >
> > > > > ...but, Earle DOES live in God's country and we're heading that
way
> > this
> > > > AM!
> > > > >
> > > > > "Earle Horton" <enfermero_diabolico@registerednurses.com> wrote in
> > > message
> > > > > news:bi6msk$5inl2$1@ID-147790.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > > > > > "Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:vkdgi0pkuncte3@corp.supernews.com...
> > > > > > > Frankly, there's getting to be a school of thought among
veteran
> > > > > > > Jeepers that the Rubicon simply SUCKS, mostly due to its
owners.
> > > > > > > There must have been 500 of the things at Moab last year and
> > > > > > > eventually everyone avoided them like the plague. This months
JP
> > > > > > > mag lists them among the 10 Jeeps they wouldn't own.
> > > > > > > ...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > A FAMISHED FOX saw some clusters of ripe black grapes hanging
from
> a
> > > > > > trellised vine. She resorted to all her tricks to get at them,
but
> > > > wearied
> > > > > > herself in vain, for she could not reach them. At last she
turned
> > > away,
> > > > > > hiding her disappointment and saying: "The Grapes are sour, and
> not
> > > ripe
> > > > > as
> > > > > > I thought."
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --Aesop, pretty darn smart Ancient Greek
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Earle
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
#35
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Tomb Raider Rubicon
The motorcycles don't really bother me a whole lot because most of them are
too sissified to take their machines on unpaved roads, like everything in
Silverton except Greene street. I have on occasion walked over there to
look at the machines and talk to the owners. Some of them will actually
talk to non-Harley owners about non-Harley topics, but most of them are too
stuck up. ("Hey guys, I understand, I used to be a computer programmer
too!")
It's a change from the Rubicon owners, but not much of one, eh?
As far as "Socialist-PC crowd" goes, you have these people all wrong. All
they want is ripe fat tourists, fit for milking, and being from Durango you
are just as good a plum as a fat insurance salesman motorcycle driver. The
socialist act is just part of the show...
Earle
"Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
news:vkl924ffucjmaa@corp.supernews.com...
> Hey, you better get ready, the Labor Day motorcycle rally is coming up
next
> weekend and they're going to be crawling all over Silverton. I actually
love
> it when they come to town, 'cuz it drives the Socialist-PC crowd here
> INSANE!
>
>
> "Earle Horton" <enfermero_diabolico@registerednurses.com> wrote in message
> news:bie6cl$8bul3$1@ID-147790.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > You're wasting your breath. Many of these guys are Telluride types who
> buy
> > into the whole illusion thing and bought the Rubicon for that. They
> > *believe* that AC actually increases trade-in value. Either that, or
> > they're incredibly rich and paying double value for a locker/compressor
> > combo is merely convenient. Think of it as a parallel reality to what
you
> > and I are used to, and since you live in Durango I am not so sure about
> > you...
> >
> > By the way, ¡Hace mucho calor! in Grand Junction today and that long
Labor
> > Day weekend back in Silverton is sure going to come in handy.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
> > news:vkl16s3idpg7a5@corp.supernews.com...
> > > I didn't say the Rubicon sucked at all, quite the contrary. I said it
> was
> > a
> > > great product, but that the mfr/dealer equation overpriced a simple
set
> of
> > > upgrade options to the degree that the vehicle won't get bought or
used
> by
> > > enthusiast Jeepers in a way it was intended.
> > >
> > > Look, the lockers are the only feature of the Rubicon's spec that are
> > > ADDITIONAL to a base TJ. That is, all TJs are 4wd, with xfer cases.
> Having
> > > worked over 25 years for auto mfrs I can say with authority there's
only
> a
> > > minute, marginal cost difference between a D44 and either the D30 or
35,
> > and
> > > the 4.1 xfer case isn't much more costly than a base NV231 either. The
> > only
> > > real added cost to the mfr is the locker/compressor combo, and that's
> not
> > > worth $5k.
> > > (You have to think in terms of what a manufacturer pays for
components,
> > not
> > > what the consumer pays. The difference is enormous.)
> > >
> > > Dealers get into the act when they tart up the things with
> non-performance
> > > related "cruising" options (cd players, A/C, etc.) that cost the
> consumer
> > a
> > > bundle and are virtually worthless the minute the thing rolls off the
> lot,
> > > and add on another $2k for "additional dealer profit" and the goose is
> > > cooked..
> > >
> > > "Jeff Strickland" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > news:vkkpn7ec2ift2b@corp.supernews.com...
> > > > I fail to see how the price and the relative suckiness have anything
> to
> > do
> > > > with one another.
> > > >
> > > > You have said twice how bad the Rubicon sucks, but your sole support
> to
> > > your
> > > > assertion is the price they get for some silly options. I want to
know
> > why
> > > > it sucks, not how poorly the accessory list is put together.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
> > > > news:vkenruqvbsvi3e@corp.supernews.com...
> > > > > Ah, but one can come to the wrong assumptions in haste, can't one?
I
> > > > > presently own three Jeeps and an MB E430 Sport. Price is not the
> > issue,
> > > I
> > > > > can write check for one this morning, thank you.
> > > > >
> > > > > My point here, my overly sensitive Jeeping friends, is that the
> thing
> > > was
> > > > > priced unreasonably high given its content, then, due to its
> > restricted
> > > > > production volume, the dealers did their usual opportunistic
> optioning
> > > and
> > > > > price gouging, luring many of those who bought them out of the
> "don't
> > > get
> > > > > it dirty it's just a hip car for cruising" crowd.
> > > > >
> > > > > Those of us who've spent a bundle to build our Jeeps just chuckle.
> > > Perhaps
> > > > > as they get out on the used market more will get into the hands of
> > true
> > > > Jeep
> > > > > enthusiasts, right now the owner base seems to be more attuned the
> > > quality
> > > > > of the CD players than the performance of the 4.1 xfer case or the
> > > > lockers.
> > > > >
> > > > > There was absolutely no justification for the price premium
Chrysler
> > put
> > > > on
> > > > > the thing. The content's combined incremental build cost premium
to
> > > > Chrysler
> > > > > can't be much more than $1000 over a D44 Sport. (They could have
> > simply
> > > > made
> > > > > the axles, lockers and xfer case a check-off option.) Folks that
> > ordered
> > > > > them from larger metro-area dealerships complain about paying
> > > over-sticker
> > > > > premiums and having to take them with silly options they didn't
> > order,
> > > > want
> > > > > or need (yes, power mirrors ARE an option on the Rubicon), or
> finding
> > > out
> > > > > once they arrived that the dealer had peppered the things with
glass
> > > tint,
> > > > > mud guards, stone shields, etc. Some dealers then told the buyer
who
> > > > ordered
> > > > > them to "take it or leave it". Typical car dealer BS. Our local
> dealer
> > > was
> > > > > merciful and sold them at sticker.
> > > > >
> > > > > Sorry if I offended any enthusiast Rubicon owners out there, was
not
> > my
> > > > > intent and I should have been more specific. It's a great product,
> > just
> > > > > riles many of us who loathe the way manufacturers and dealers take
> > > > advantage
> > > > > of consumers.
> > > > >
> > > > > ...but, Earle DOES live in God's country and we're heading that
way
> > this
> > > > AM!
> > > > >
> > > > > "Earle Horton" <enfermero_diabolico@registerednurses.com> wrote in
> > > message
> > > > > news:bi6msk$5inl2$1@ID-147790.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > > > > > "Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:vkdgi0pkuncte3@corp.supernews.com...
> > > > > > > Frankly, there's getting to be a school of thought among
veteran
> > > > > > > Jeepers that the Rubicon simply SUCKS, mostly due to its
owners.
> > > > > > > There must have been 500 of the things at Moab last year and
> > > > > > > eventually everyone avoided them like the plague. This months
JP
> > > > > > > mag lists them among the 10 Jeeps they wouldn't own.
> > > > > > > ...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > A FAMISHED FOX saw some clusters of ripe black grapes hanging
from
> a
> > > > > > trellised vine. She resorted to all her tricks to get at them,
but
> > > > wearied
> > > > > > herself in vain, for she could not reach them. At last she
turned
> > > away,
> > > > > > hiding her disappointment and saying: "The Grapes are sour, and
> not
> > > ripe
> > > > > as
> > > > > > I thought."
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --Aesop, pretty darn smart Ancient Greek
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Earle
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
too sissified to take their machines on unpaved roads, like everything in
Silverton except Greene street. I have on occasion walked over there to
look at the machines and talk to the owners. Some of them will actually
talk to non-Harley owners about non-Harley topics, but most of them are too
stuck up. ("Hey guys, I understand, I used to be a computer programmer
too!")
It's a change from the Rubicon owners, but not much of one, eh?
As far as "Socialist-PC crowd" goes, you have these people all wrong. All
they want is ripe fat tourists, fit for milking, and being from Durango you
are just as good a plum as a fat insurance salesman motorcycle driver. The
socialist act is just part of the show...
Earle
"Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
news:vkl924ffucjmaa@corp.supernews.com...
> Hey, you better get ready, the Labor Day motorcycle rally is coming up
next
> weekend and they're going to be crawling all over Silverton. I actually
love
> it when they come to town, 'cuz it drives the Socialist-PC crowd here
> INSANE!
>
>
> "Earle Horton" <enfermero_diabolico@registerednurses.com> wrote in message
> news:bie6cl$8bul3$1@ID-147790.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > You're wasting your breath. Many of these guys are Telluride types who
> buy
> > into the whole illusion thing and bought the Rubicon for that. They
> > *believe* that AC actually increases trade-in value. Either that, or
> > they're incredibly rich and paying double value for a locker/compressor
> > combo is merely convenient. Think of it as a parallel reality to what
you
> > and I are used to, and since you live in Durango I am not so sure about
> > you...
> >
> > By the way, ¡Hace mucho calor! in Grand Junction today and that long
Labor
> > Day weekend back in Silverton is sure going to come in handy.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
> > news:vkl16s3idpg7a5@corp.supernews.com...
> > > I didn't say the Rubicon sucked at all, quite the contrary. I said it
> was
> > a
> > > great product, but that the mfr/dealer equation overpriced a simple
set
> of
> > > upgrade options to the degree that the vehicle won't get bought or
used
> by
> > > enthusiast Jeepers in a way it was intended.
> > >
> > > Look, the lockers are the only feature of the Rubicon's spec that are
> > > ADDITIONAL to a base TJ. That is, all TJs are 4wd, with xfer cases.
> Having
> > > worked over 25 years for auto mfrs I can say with authority there's
only
> a
> > > minute, marginal cost difference between a D44 and either the D30 or
35,
> > and
> > > the 4.1 xfer case isn't much more costly than a base NV231 either. The
> > only
> > > real added cost to the mfr is the locker/compressor combo, and that's
> not
> > > worth $5k.
> > > (You have to think in terms of what a manufacturer pays for
components,
> > not
> > > what the consumer pays. The difference is enormous.)
> > >
> > > Dealers get into the act when they tart up the things with
> non-performance
> > > related "cruising" options (cd players, A/C, etc.) that cost the
> consumer
> > a
> > > bundle and are virtually worthless the minute the thing rolls off the
> lot,
> > > and add on another $2k for "additional dealer profit" and the goose is
> > > cooked..
> > >
> > > "Jeff Strickland" <beerman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > news:vkkpn7ec2ift2b@corp.supernews.com...
> > > > I fail to see how the price and the relative suckiness have anything
> to
> > do
> > > > with one another.
> > > >
> > > > You have said twice how bad the Rubicon sucks, but your sole support
> to
> > > your
> > > > assertion is the price they get for some silly options. I want to
know
> > why
> > > > it sucks, not how poorly the accessory list is put together.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
> > > > news:vkenruqvbsvi3e@corp.supernews.com...
> > > > > Ah, but one can come to the wrong assumptions in haste, can't one?
I
> > > > > presently own three Jeeps and an MB E430 Sport. Price is not the
> > issue,
> > > I
> > > > > can write check for one this morning, thank you.
> > > > >
> > > > > My point here, my overly sensitive Jeeping friends, is that the
> thing
> > > was
> > > > > priced unreasonably high given its content, then, due to its
> > restricted
> > > > > production volume, the dealers did their usual opportunistic
> optioning
> > > and
> > > > > price gouging, luring many of those who bought them out of the
> "don't
> > > get
> > > > > it dirty it's just a hip car for cruising" crowd.
> > > > >
> > > > > Those of us who've spent a bundle to build our Jeeps just chuckle.
> > > Perhaps
> > > > > as they get out on the used market more will get into the hands of
> > true
> > > > Jeep
> > > > > enthusiasts, right now the owner base seems to be more attuned the
> > > quality
> > > > > of the CD players than the performance of the 4.1 xfer case or the
> > > > lockers.
> > > > >
> > > > > There was absolutely no justification for the price premium
Chrysler
> > put
> > > > on
> > > > > the thing. The content's combined incremental build cost premium
to
> > > > Chrysler
> > > > > can't be much more than $1000 over a D44 Sport. (They could have
> > simply
> > > > made
> > > > > the axles, lockers and xfer case a check-off option.) Folks that
> > ordered
> > > > > them from larger metro-area dealerships complain about paying
> > > over-sticker
> > > > > premiums and having to take them with silly options they didn't
> > order,
> > > > want
> > > > > or need (yes, power mirrors ARE an option on the Rubicon), or
> finding
> > > out
> > > > > once they arrived that the dealer had peppered the things with
glass
> > > tint,
> > > > > mud guards, stone shields, etc. Some dealers then told the buyer
who
> > > > ordered
> > > > > them to "take it or leave it". Typical car dealer BS. Our local
> dealer
> > > was
> > > > > merciful and sold them at sticker.
> > > > >
> > > > > Sorry if I offended any enthusiast Rubicon owners out there, was
not
> > my
> > > > > intent and I should have been more specific. It's a great product,
> > just
> > > > > riles many of us who loathe the way manufacturers and dealers take
> > > > advantage
> > > > > of consumers.
> > > > >
> > > > > ...but, Earle DOES live in God's country and we're heading that
way
> > this
> > > > AM!
> > > > >
> > > > > "Earle Horton" <enfermero_diabolico@registerednurses.com> wrote in
> > > message
> > > > > news:bi6msk$5inl2$1@ID-147790.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > > > > > "Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:vkdgi0pkuncte3@corp.supernews.com...
> > > > > > > Frankly, there's getting to be a school of thought among
veteran
> > > > > > > Jeepers that the Rubicon simply SUCKS, mostly due to its
owners.
> > > > > > > There must have been 500 of the things at Moab last year and
> > > > > > > eventually everyone avoided them like the plague. This months
JP
> > > > > > > mag lists them among the 10 Jeeps they wouldn't own.
> > > > > > > ...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > A FAMISHED FOX saw some clusters of ripe black grapes hanging
from
> a
> > > > > > trellised vine. She resorted to all her tricks to get at them,
but
> > > > wearied
> > > > > > herself in vain, for she could not reach them. At last she
turned
> > > away,
> > > > > > hiding her disappointment and saying: "The Grapes are sour, and
> not
> > > ripe
> > > > > as
> > > > > > I thought."
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --Aesop, pretty darn smart Ancient Greek
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Earle
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
#36
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Tomb Raider Rubicon
"twaldron" <twaldron@sbcOBVIOUSglobal.net> wrote in message
news:_lx2b.3587$Pr1.133@newssvr22.news.prodigy.com ...
> Hey Earle,
>
> You ARE right about some things tho. I purchased my Rubicon with A/C
> simply because I thought it would increase trade-in. Not because I LIVE
> IN TEXAS or anything. I only got the lockers because of the speed bumps
> in the mall parking lot. Damn, those things are gettig bigger every
> year. I'm glad they're starting to paint them yellow so I can hit my
> locker button and get both axles locked in before I actually start the
> long climb over the speed bump.
>
> Can you and McFly take this to a chat room?
>
Wassamatter, can't find the "PLONK" button? ;o)
Earle
> Earle Horton wrote:
>
> > You're wasting your breath. Many of these guys are Telluride types who
buy
> > into the whole illusion thing and bought the Rubicon for that. They
> > *believe* that AC actually increases trade-in value. Either that, or
> > they're incredibly rich and paying double value for a locker/compressor
> > combo is merely convenient. Think of it as a parallel reality to what
you
> > and I are used to, and since you live in Durango I am not so sure about
> > you...
> >
> > By the way, ¡Hace mucho calor! in Grand Junction today and that long
Labor
> > Day weekend back in Silverton is sure going to come in handy.
> >
> > Earle
> >
>
> --
> __________________________________________________ _________
> tw
> 03 TJ Rubicon
> 01 XJ Sport
>
> There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
> -- Dave Barry
>
> http://www.7slotgrille.com/jeepers/t...ron/index.html
> (Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
> __________________________________________________ _________
>
news:_lx2b.3587$Pr1.133@newssvr22.news.prodigy.com ...
> Hey Earle,
>
> You ARE right about some things tho. I purchased my Rubicon with A/C
> simply because I thought it would increase trade-in. Not because I LIVE
> IN TEXAS or anything. I only got the lockers because of the speed bumps
> in the mall parking lot. Damn, those things are gettig bigger every
> year. I'm glad they're starting to paint them yellow so I can hit my
> locker button and get both axles locked in before I actually start the
> long climb over the speed bump.
>
> Can you and McFly take this to a chat room?
>
Wassamatter, can't find the "PLONK" button? ;o)
Earle
> Earle Horton wrote:
>
> > You're wasting your breath. Many of these guys are Telluride types who
buy
> > into the whole illusion thing and bought the Rubicon for that. They
> > *believe* that AC actually increases trade-in value. Either that, or
> > they're incredibly rich and paying double value for a locker/compressor
> > combo is merely convenient. Think of it as a parallel reality to what
you
> > and I are used to, and since you live in Durango I am not so sure about
> > you...
> >
> > By the way, ¡Hace mucho calor! in Grand Junction today and that long
Labor
> > Day weekend back in Silverton is sure going to come in handy.
> >
> > Earle
> >
>
> --
> __________________________________________________ _________
> tw
> 03 TJ Rubicon
> 01 XJ Sport
>
> There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
> -- Dave Barry
>
> http://www.7slotgrille.com/jeepers/t...ron/index.html
> (Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
> __________________________________________________ _________
>
#37
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Tomb Raider Rubicon
"twaldron" <twaldron@sbcOBVIOUSglobal.net> wrote in message
news:_lx2b.3587$Pr1.133@newssvr22.news.prodigy.com ...
> Hey Earle,
>
> You ARE right about some things tho. I purchased my Rubicon with A/C
> simply because I thought it would increase trade-in. Not because I LIVE
> IN TEXAS or anything. I only got the lockers because of the speed bumps
> in the mall parking lot. Damn, those things are gettig bigger every
> year. I'm glad they're starting to paint them yellow so I can hit my
> locker button and get both axles locked in before I actually start the
> long climb over the speed bump.
>
> Can you and McFly take this to a chat room?
>
Wassamatter, can't find the "PLONK" button? ;o)
Earle
> Earle Horton wrote:
>
> > You're wasting your breath. Many of these guys are Telluride types who
buy
> > into the whole illusion thing and bought the Rubicon for that. They
> > *believe* that AC actually increases trade-in value. Either that, or
> > they're incredibly rich and paying double value for a locker/compressor
> > combo is merely convenient. Think of it as a parallel reality to what
you
> > and I are used to, and since you live in Durango I am not so sure about
> > you...
> >
> > By the way, ¡Hace mucho calor! in Grand Junction today and that long
Labor
> > Day weekend back in Silverton is sure going to come in handy.
> >
> > Earle
> >
>
> --
> __________________________________________________ _________
> tw
> 03 TJ Rubicon
> 01 XJ Sport
>
> There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
> -- Dave Barry
>
> http://www.7slotgrille.com/jeepers/t...ron/index.html
> (Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
> __________________________________________________ _________
>
news:_lx2b.3587$Pr1.133@newssvr22.news.prodigy.com ...
> Hey Earle,
>
> You ARE right about some things tho. I purchased my Rubicon with A/C
> simply because I thought it would increase trade-in. Not because I LIVE
> IN TEXAS or anything. I only got the lockers because of the speed bumps
> in the mall parking lot. Damn, those things are gettig bigger every
> year. I'm glad they're starting to paint them yellow so I can hit my
> locker button and get both axles locked in before I actually start the
> long climb over the speed bump.
>
> Can you and McFly take this to a chat room?
>
Wassamatter, can't find the "PLONK" button? ;o)
Earle
> Earle Horton wrote:
>
> > You're wasting your breath. Many of these guys are Telluride types who
buy
> > into the whole illusion thing and bought the Rubicon for that. They
> > *believe* that AC actually increases trade-in value. Either that, or
> > they're incredibly rich and paying double value for a locker/compressor
> > combo is merely convenient. Think of it as a parallel reality to what
you
> > and I are used to, and since you live in Durango I am not so sure about
> > you...
> >
> > By the way, ¡Hace mucho calor! in Grand Junction today and that long
Labor
> > Day weekend back in Silverton is sure going to come in handy.
> >
> > Earle
> >
>
> --
> __________________________________________________ _________
> tw
> 03 TJ Rubicon
> 01 XJ Sport
>
> There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
> -- Dave Barry
>
> http://www.7slotgrille.com/jeepers/t...ron/index.html
> (Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
> __________________________________________________ _________
>
#38
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Tomb Raider Rubicon
He's PLONKED but you're not. I figure deep down somewhere there might be
a human side, but I've been wrong before. I only see your responses to
McFly, but I thought you sounded like you two might be getting a little
cozy for the NG. It was merely a suggestion. Do what you will.
....off to the frat house, then the mall for some cherries jubilee.
(They're having a Rubicon convention there tonight. With balloons!)
Earle Horton wrote:
> "twaldron" <twaldron@sbcOBVIOUSglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:_lx2b.3587$Pr1.133@newssvr22.news.prodigy.com ...
>
>>Hey Earle,
>>
>>You ARE right about some things tho. I purchased my Rubicon with A/C
>>simply because I thought it would increase trade-in. Not because I LIVE
>>IN TEXAS or anything. I only got the lockers because of the speed bumps
>>in the mall parking lot. Damn, those things are gettig bigger every
>>year. I'm glad they're starting to paint them yellow so I can hit my
>>locker button and get both axles locked in before I actually start the
>>long climb over the speed bump.
>>
>>Can you and McFly take this to a chat room?
>>
>
>
> Wassamatter, can't find the "PLONK" button? ;o)
>
> Earle
>
>
>>Earle Horton wrote:
>>
>>
>>>You're wasting your breath. Many of these guys are Telluride types who
>
> buy
>
>>>into the whole illusion thing and bought the Rubicon for that. They
>>>*believe* that AC actually increases trade-in value. Either that, or
>>>they're incredibly rich and paying double value for a locker/compressor
>>>combo is merely convenient. Think of it as a parallel reality to what
>
> you
>
>>>and I are used to, and since you live in Durango I am not so sure about
>>>you...
>>>
>>>By the way, ¡Hace mucho calor! in Grand Junction today and that long
>
> Labor
>
>>>Day weekend back in Silverton is sure going to come in handy.
>>>
>>>Earle
>>>
>>
>>--
>>________________________________________________ ___________
>>tw
>>03 TJ Rubicon
>>01 XJ Sport
>>
>>There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
>>-- Dave Barry
>>
>>http://www.7slotgrille.com/jeepers/t...ron/index.html
>>(Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
>>________________________________________________ ___________
>>
>
>
>
>
--
__________________________________________________ _________
tw
03 TJ Rubicon
01 XJ Sport
There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry
http://www.7slotgrille.com/jeepers/t...ron/index.html
(Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
__________________________________________________ _________
a human side, but I've been wrong before. I only see your responses to
McFly, but I thought you sounded like you two might be getting a little
cozy for the NG. It was merely a suggestion. Do what you will.
....off to the frat house, then the mall for some cherries jubilee.
(They're having a Rubicon convention there tonight. With balloons!)
Earle Horton wrote:
> "twaldron" <twaldron@sbcOBVIOUSglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:_lx2b.3587$Pr1.133@newssvr22.news.prodigy.com ...
>
>>Hey Earle,
>>
>>You ARE right about some things tho. I purchased my Rubicon with A/C
>>simply because I thought it would increase trade-in. Not because I LIVE
>>IN TEXAS or anything. I only got the lockers because of the speed bumps
>>in the mall parking lot. Damn, those things are gettig bigger every
>>year. I'm glad they're starting to paint them yellow so I can hit my
>>locker button and get both axles locked in before I actually start the
>>long climb over the speed bump.
>>
>>Can you and McFly take this to a chat room?
>>
>
>
> Wassamatter, can't find the "PLONK" button? ;o)
>
> Earle
>
>
>>Earle Horton wrote:
>>
>>
>>>You're wasting your breath. Many of these guys are Telluride types who
>
> buy
>
>>>into the whole illusion thing and bought the Rubicon for that. They
>>>*believe* that AC actually increases trade-in value. Either that, or
>>>they're incredibly rich and paying double value for a locker/compressor
>>>combo is merely convenient. Think of it as a parallel reality to what
>
> you
>
>>>and I are used to, and since you live in Durango I am not so sure about
>>>you...
>>>
>>>By the way, ¡Hace mucho calor! in Grand Junction today and that long
>
> Labor
>
>>>Day weekend back in Silverton is sure going to come in handy.
>>>
>>>Earle
>>>
>>
>>--
>>________________________________________________ ___________
>>tw
>>03 TJ Rubicon
>>01 XJ Sport
>>
>>There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
>>-- Dave Barry
>>
>>http://www.7slotgrille.com/jeepers/t...ron/index.html
>>(Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
>>________________________________________________ ___________
>>
>
>
>
>
--
__________________________________________________ _________
tw
03 TJ Rubicon
01 XJ Sport
There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry
http://www.7slotgrille.com/jeepers/t...ron/index.html
(Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
__________________________________________________ _________
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Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Tomb Raider Rubicon
He's PLONKED but you're not. I figure deep down somewhere there might be
a human side, but I've been wrong before. I only see your responses to
McFly, but I thought you sounded like you two might be getting a little
cozy for the NG. It was merely a suggestion. Do what you will.
....off to the frat house, then the mall for some cherries jubilee.
(They're having a Rubicon convention there tonight. With balloons!)
Earle Horton wrote:
> "twaldron" <twaldron@sbcOBVIOUSglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:_lx2b.3587$Pr1.133@newssvr22.news.prodigy.com ...
>
>>Hey Earle,
>>
>>You ARE right about some things tho. I purchased my Rubicon with A/C
>>simply because I thought it would increase trade-in. Not because I LIVE
>>IN TEXAS or anything. I only got the lockers because of the speed bumps
>>in the mall parking lot. Damn, those things are gettig bigger every
>>year. I'm glad they're starting to paint them yellow so I can hit my
>>locker button and get both axles locked in before I actually start the
>>long climb over the speed bump.
>>
>>Can you and McFly take this to a chat room?
>>
>
>
> Wassamatter, can't find the "PLONK" button? ;o)
>
> Earle
>
>
>>Earle Horton wrote:
>>
>>
>>>You're wasting your breath. Many of these guys are Telluride types who
>
> buy
>
>>>into the whole illusion thing and bought the Rubicon for that. They
>>>*believe* that AC actually increases trade-in value. Either that, or
>>>they're incredibly rich and paying double value for a locker/compressor
>>>combo is merely convenient. Think of it as a parallel reality to what
>
> you
>
>>>and I are used to, and since you live in Durango I am not so sure about
>>>you...
>>>
>>>By the way, ¡Hace mucho calor! in Grand Junction today and that long
>
> Labor
>
>>>Day weekend back in Silverton is sure going to come in handy.
>>>
>>>Earle
>>>
>>
>>--
>>________________________________________________ ___________
>>tw
>>03 TJ Rubicon
>>01 XJ Sport
>>
>>There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
>>-- Dave Barry
>>
>>http://www.7slotgrille.com/jeepers/t...ron/index.html
>>(Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
>>________________________________________________ ___________
>>
>
>
>
>
--
__________________________________________________ _________
tw
03 TJ Rubicon
01 XJ Sport
There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry
http://www.7slotgrille.com/jeepers/t...ron/index.html
(Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
__________________________________________________ _________
a human side, but I've been wrong before. I only see your responses to
McFly, but I thought you sounded like you two might be getting a little
cozy for the NG. It was merely a suggestion. Do what you will.
....off to the frat house, then the mall for some cherries jubilee.
(They're having a Rubicon convention there tonight. With balloons!)
Earle Horton wrote:
> "twaldron" <twaldron@sbcOBVIOUSglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:_lx2b.3587$Pr1.133@newssvr22.news.prodigy.com ...
>
>>Hey Earle,
>>
>>You ARE right about some things tho. I purchased my Rubicon with A/C
>>simply because I thought it would increase trade-in. Not because I LIVE
>>IN TEXAS or anything. I only got the lockers because of the speed bumps
>>in the mall parking lot. Damn, those things are gettig bigger every
>>year. I'm glad they're starting to paint them yellow so I can hit my
>>locker button and get both axles locked in before I actually start the
>>long climb over the speed bump.
>>
>>Can you and McFly take this to a chat room?
>>
>
>
> Wassamatter, can't find the "PLONK" button? ;o)
>
> Earle
>
>
>>Earle Horton wrote:
>>
>>
>>>You're wasting your breath. Many of these guys are Telluride types who
>
> buy
>
>>>into the whole illusion thing and bought the Rubicon for that. They
>>>*believe* that AC actually increases trade-in value. Either that, or
>>>they're incredibly rich and paying double value for a locker/compressor
>>>combo is merely convenient. Think of it as a parallel reality to what
>
> you
>
>>>and I are used to, and since you live in Durango I am not so sure about
>>>you...
>>>
>>>By the way, ¡Hace mucho calor! in Grand Junction today and that long
>
> Labor
>
>>>Day weekend back in Silverton is sure going to come in handy.
>>>
>>>Earle
>>>
>>
>>--
>>________________________________________________ ___________
>>tw
>>03 TJ Rubicon
>>01 XJ Sport
>>
>>There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
>>-- Dave Barry
>>
>>http://www.7slotgrille.com/jeepers/t...ron/index.html
>>(Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
>>________________________________________________ ___________
>>
>
>
>
>
--
__________________________________________________ _________
tw
03 TJ Rubicon
01 XJ Sport
There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry
http://www.7slotgrille.com/jeepers/t...ron/index.html
(Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
__________________________________________________ _________
#40
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Tomb Raider Rubicon
Isn't it amazing how some people can't deal with the slightest bit of
adversity?
But, hey, since I'm plonked I can call the guy an @$$#0!e and he won't
notice, huh??!!!
WONDERFUL!
"twaldron" <twaldron@sbcOBVIOUSglobal.net> wrote in message
news:QTx2b.3603$Pr1.2947@newssvr22.news.prodigy.co m...
> He's PLONKED but you're not. I figure deep down somewhere there might be
> a human side, but I've been wrong before. I only see your responses to
> McFly, but I thought you sounded like you two might be getting a little
> cozy for the NG. It was merely a suggestion. Do what you will.
>
> ...off to the frat house, then the mall for some cherries jubilee.
> (They're having a Rubicon convention there tonight. With balloons!)
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
>
> > "twaldron" <twaldron@sbcOBVIOUSglobal.net> wrote in message
> > news:_lx2b.3587$Pr1.133@newssvr22.news.prodigy.com ...
> >
> >>Hey Earle,
> >>
> >>You ARE right about some things tho. I purchased my Rubicon with A/C
> >>simply because I thought it would increase trade-in. Not because I LIVE
> >>IN TEXAS or anything. I only got the lockers because of the speed bumps
> >>in the mall parking lot. Damn, those things are gettig bigger every
> >>year. I'm glad they're starting to paint them yellow so I can hit my
> >>locker button and get both axles locked in before I actually start the
> >>long climb over the speed bump.
> >>
> >>Can you and McFly take this to a chat room?
> >>
> >
> >
> > Wassamatter, can't find the "PLONK" button? ;o)
> >
> > Earle
> >
> >
> >>Earle Horton wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>You're wasting your breath. Many of these guys are Telluride types who
> >
> > buy
> >
> >>>into the whole illusion thing and bought the Rubicon for that. They
> >>>*believe* that AC actually increases trade-in value. Either that, or
> >>>they're incredibly rich and paying double value for a locker/compressor
> >>>combo is merely convenient. Think of it as a parallel reality to what
> >
> > you
> >
> >>>and I are used to, and since you live in Durango I am not so sure about
> >>>you...
> >>>
> >>>By the way, ¡Hace mucho calor! in Grand Junction today and that long
> >
> > Labor
> >
> >>>Day weekend back in Silverton is sure going to come in handy.
> >>>
> >>>Earle
> >>>
> >>
> >>--
> >>________________________________________________ ___________
> >>tw
> >>03 TJ Rubicon
> >>01 XJ Sport
> >>
> >>There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
> >>-- Dave Barry
> >>
> >>http://www.7slotgrille.com/jeepers/t...ron/index.html
> >>(Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
> >>________________________________________________ ___________
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> __________________________________________________ _________
> tw
> 03 TJ Rubicon
> 01 XJ Sport
>
> There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
> -- Dave Barry
>
> http://www.7slotgrille.com/jeepers/t...ron/index.html
> (Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
> __________________________________________________ _________
>
adversity?
But, hey, since I'm plonked I can call the guy an @$$#0!e and he won't
notice, huh??!!!
WONDERFUL!
"twaldron" <twaldron@sbcOBVIOUSglobal.net> wrote in message
news:QTx2b.3603$Pr1.2947@newssvr22.news.prodigy.co m...
> He's PLONKED but you're not. I figure deep down somewhere there might be
> a human side, but I've been wrong before. I only see your responses to
> McFly, but I thought you sounded like you two might be getting a little
> cozy for the NG. It was merely a suggestion. Do what you will.
>
> ...off to the frat house, then the mall for some cherries jubilee.
> (They're having a Rubicon convention there tonight. With balloons!)
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
>
> > "twaldron" <twaldron@sbcOBVIOUSglobal.net> wrote in message
> > news:_lx2b.3587$Pr1.133@newssvr22.news.prodigy.com ...
> >
> >>Hey Earle,
> >>
> >>You ARE right about some things tho. I purchased my Rubicon with A/C
> >>simply because I thought it would increase trade-in. Not because I LIVE
> >>IN TEXAS or anything. I only got the lockers because of the speed bumps
> >>in the mall parking lot. Damn, those things are gettig bigger every
> >>year. I'm glad they're starting to paint them yellow so I can hit my
> >>locker button and get both axles locked in before I actually start the
> >>long climb over the speed bump.
> >>
> >>Can you and McFly take this to a chat room?
> >>
> >
> >
> > Wassamatter, can't find the "PLONK" button? ;o)
> >
> > Earle
> >
> >
> >>Earle Horton wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>You're wasting your breath. Many of these guys are Telluride types who
> >
> > buy
> >
> >>>into the whole illusion thing and bought the Rubicon for that. They
> >>>*believe* that AC actually increases trade-in value. Either that, or
> >>>they're incredibly rich and paying double value for a locker/compressor
> >>>combo is merely convenient. Think of it as a parallel reality to what
> >
> > you
> >
> >>>and I are used to, and since you live in Durango I am not so sure about
> >>>you...
> >>>
> >>>By the way, ¡Hace mucho calor! in Grand Junction today and that long
> >
> > Labor
> >
> >>>Day weekend back in Silverton is sure going to come in handy.
> >>>
> >>>Earle
> >>>
> >>
> >>--
> >>________________________________________________ ___________
> >>tw
> >>03 TJ Rubicon
> >>01 XJ Sport
> >>
> >>There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
> >>-- Dave Barry
> >>
> >>http://www.7slotgrille.com/jeepers/t...ron/index.html
> >>(Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
> >>________________________________________________ ___________
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> __________________________________________________ _________
> tw
> 03 TJ Rubicon
> 01 XJ Sport
>
> There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
> -- Dave Barry
>
> http://www.7slotgrille.com/jeepers/t...ron/index.html
> (Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
> __________________________________________________ _________
>