Re: Tomb Raider Rubicon
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Re: Tomb Raider Rubicon
"Ford Aerostar Cargo Van?" ;o)
Earle
"twaldron" <twaldron@sbcOBVIOUSglobal.net> wrote in message
news:r252b.1762$1x4.361410718@newssvr30.news.prodi gy.com...
> Earle,
>
> I like my Rubi and I own a Porsche. That's why I bought them. I'm an
> automotive fanatic. It's a disease, but I'm ok with it. It has nothing
> to do with anatomy (You seem to have a preoccupation with the ----- and
> size, but that's your deal.) I won't show you mine, but if you want
> references, I'll give you some numbers. :) We each have our own
> hobbies. I prefer mine over yours.
>
> Here is a list of some of the vehicles I've owned in relative order of
> purchase (might have missed one or two).
>
> Psychoanalyze me:
>
> 1969 Mustang Coupe
> 1969 Mustang Mach 1
> 1975 Firebird Formula
> 1973 Datsun 240Z (brown)
> 1982 Firebird Trans Am
> 1987 Firebird Trans AM GTA
> 1985 Jeep CJ7
> 1985 Camaro
> 1982 Corvette
> 1973 Ford Bronco (early)
> 1986 Corvette Z51
> 1990 Jeep YJ Laredo
> 1973 Datsun 240Z (white)
> 1986 Jeep CJ7 Laredo
> 1978 Porsche 911SC
> 1993 Nissan Pathfinder
> 1989 Nissan Pathfinder
> 1989 Toyota 4Runner
> 1997 Ford Aerostar Cargo Van
> 1999 Jeep TJ Sahara
> 1999 Tahoe Sport (2dr)
> 2001 Jeep Cherokee XJ
> 2003 Jeep Rubicon TJ
> 2003 Nissan Frontier
>
> Motorcycles:
>
> 1973 Yamaha DT175
> 1978 Yamaha Special 650
> 1982 Suzuki Katana 550
> 1985 Honda 1000R
> 1986 Suzuki GSXR750
> 1981 Kawasaki GPz550
> 2000 Yamaha YZF600R
>
>
>
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
>
> > I am not saving up to buy a transfer case, lockers, and D44, although I
> > would like it if Auburn Gear got their ---- together and completed the
D35
> > limited slip they have supposedly been working on for years. In my
opinion
> > the stock base model Wranglers are more than adequate for the uses that
99%
> > of purchasers put them to. They are great for cruising college campuses
in
> > search of coeds, camping, and light to moderate off roading. In fact
they
> > are serious over kill for most people. Cinnamon Pass near where I live
is a
> > "moderate" off road trail and was first traversed in a Model T Ford, a
two
> > wheel drive vehicle. I myself have driven a Honda Civic under water.
You
> > don't need a Rubicon to have fun, to get away from it all, or even to do
> > some serious exploration in places that most people wouldn't dream of
going.
> >
> > I like to pick on the Rubicon owners because of the way they react.
Some of
> > them even have "issues" where they bought the vehicle to prove something
to
> > an uncle. That's no reason to buy a vehicle! I suspect that many
people
> > who buy the Rubicon are weekend warriors who want to have something that
the
> > other wage slaves can admire in the company parking lot. There is
nothing
> > to admire about owning a Rubicon, or a Corvette with "RARE454" for the
> > license plate (Christ!) or a Lotus or Hummer or any of the other
vehicles I
> > saw parked at the Microsoft parking lot every day and sometimes on
weekends.
> > I worked with people like this long enough to find out that most of them
> > buy that expensive vehicle because they have no other way to get respect
> > from their fellow human beings. One of the developers in advanced
systems
> > (who drove an old Honda Civic by the way) used to joke about vehicles
like
> > this being "----- extenders." If your tool is excessively small, what
> > better than a new Rubicon to make people think that it is on the
contrary
> > quite large?
> >
> > Then there's the Patriot Rubicon. You don't show your love of country
by
> > buying a sports utility vehicle from a German company. That just
doesn't
> > make sense to me. If you want to be a "Patriot" you enlist in the armed
> > forces go to Iraq and get your head blown off, or if you are too old for
> > that you volunteer at your local VA hospital, EMS services, public
school,
> > fire department, or whatever. Hell, you could even demonstrate on the
> > street corner *against* the military policies of the current
administration
> > and show more patriotism than a "Patriot" owner. At least that shows
that
> > you care. If you buy a vehicle with a flag decal what does that prove?
> > (Well OK, it proves you are a dork, but probably everyone who knows you
> > knows that already.)
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> > news:Cu02b.2974$wz1.27542685@news-text.cableinet.net...
> >
> >>I really don't understand the anti-Rubicon sentiments. The newsgroup has
> >>been collectively bitching about improvements that should been made to
the
> >>TJ, and when DC does do something about it, slag the vehicle off because
> >>some ******** buy it and even dare to go offroad in it !! Meanwhile,
back
> >
> > at
> >
> >>the ranch, we are saving up to buy the transfer case, lockers and D44
> >
> > front
> >
> >>axle. Is there some sort of unwritten "you have to earn these things"
rule
> >>that is biting?
> >>
> >>Dave Milne, Scotland
> >>'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
> >>
> >>"Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
> >>news:vkg5up9p9iqaf5@corp.supernews.com...
> >>: Most veteran Jeepers I know are running custom coil over 4 links with
> >
> > 37's
> >
> >>: or 38's. Not sure they did that 25 years ago, hmmmm......
> >>:
> >>: You are absolutely right, the Rubicon shows that SOME people at DC
> >>: understand what the whole thing is all about. However, it's likely
the
> >>next
> >>: Grand C. will be independent front and the Liberty, well....how the
Hell
> >>did
> >>: THAT happen?
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> __________________________________________________ _________
> tw
> 03 TJ Rubicon
> 01 XJ Sport
>
> There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
> -- Dave Barry
>
> http://www.7slotgrille.com/jeepers/t...ron/index.html
> (Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
> __________________________________________________ _________
>
Earle
"twaldron" <twaldron@sbcOBVIOUSglobal.net> wrote in message
news:r252b.1762$1x4.361410718@newssvr30.news.prodi gy.com...
> Earle,
>
> I like my Rubi and I own a Porsche. That's why I bought them. I'm an
> automotive fanatic. It's a disease, but I'm ok with it. It has nothing
> to do with anatomy (You seem to have a preoccupation with the ----- and
> size, but that's your deal.) I won't show you mine, but if you want
> references, I'll give you some numbers. :) We each have our own
> hobbies. I prefer mine over yours.
>
> Here is a list of some of the vehicles I've owned in relative order of
> purchase (might have missed one or two).
>
> Psychoanalyze me:
>
> 1969 Mustang Coupe
> 1969 Mustang Mach 1
> 1975 Firebird Formula
> 1973 Datsun 240Z (brown)
> 1982 Firebird Trans Am
> 1987 Firebird Trans AM GTA
> 1985 Jeep CJ7
> 1985 Camaro
> 1982 Corvette
> 1973 Ford Bronco (early)
> 1986 Corvette Z51
> 1990 Jeep YJ Laredo
> 1973 Datsun 240Z (white)
> 1986 Jeep CJ7 Laredo
> 1978 Porsche 911SC
> 1993 Nissan Pathfinder
> 1989 Nissan Pathfinder
> 1989 Toyota 4Runner
> 1997 Ford Aerostar Cargo Van
> 1999 Jeep TJ Sahara
> 1999 Tahoe Sport (2dr)
> 2001 Jeep Cherokee XJ
> 2003 Jeep Rubicon TJ
> 2003 Nissan Frontier
>
> Motorcycles:
>
> 1973 Yamaha DT175
> 1978 Yamaha Special 650
> 1982 Suzuki Katana 550
> 1985 Honda 1000R
> 1986 Suzuki GSXR750
> 1981 Kawasaki GPz550
> 2000 Yamaha YZF600R
>
>
>
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
>
> > I am not saving up to buy a transfer case, lockers, and D44, although I
> > would like it if Auburn Gear got their ---- together and completed the
D35
> > limited slip they have supposedly been working on for years. In my
opinion
> > the stock base model Wranglers are more than adequate for the uses that
99%
> > of purchasers put them to. They are great for cruising college campuses
in
> > search of coeds, camping, and light to moderate off roading. In fact
they
> > are serious over kill for most people. Cinnamon Pass near where I live
is a
> > "moderate" off road trail and was first traversed in a Model T Ford, a
two
> > wheel drive vehicle. I myself have driven a Honda Civic under water.
You
> > don't need a Rubicon to have fun, to get away from it all, or even to do
> > some serious exploration in places that most people wouldn't dream of
going.
> >
> > I like to pick on the Rubicon owners because of the way they react.
Some of
> > them even have "issues" where they bought the vehicle to prove something
to
> > an uncle. That's no reason to buy a vehicle! I suspect that many
people
> > who buy the Rubicon are weekend warriors who want to have something that
the
> > other wage slaves can admire in the company parking lot. There is
nothing
> > to admire about owning a Rubicon, or a Corvette with "RARE454" for the
> > license plate (Christ!) or a Lotus or Hummer or any of the other
vehicles I
> > saw parked at the Microsoft parking lot every day and sometimes on
weekends.
> > I worked with people like this long enough to find out that most of them
> > buy that expensive vehicle because they have no other way to get respect
> > from their fellow human beings. One of the developers in advanced
systems
> > (who drove an old Honda Civic by the way) used to joke about vehicles
like
> > this being "----- extenders." If your tool is excessively small, what
> > better than a new Rubicon to make people think that it is on the
contrary
> > quite large?
> >
> > Then there's the Patriot Rubicon. You don't show your love of country
by
> > buying a sports utility vehicle from a German company. That just
doesn't
> > make sense to me. If you want to be a "Patriot" you enlist in the armed
> > forces go to Iraq and get your head blown off, or if you are too old for
> > that you volunteer at your local VA hospital, EMS services, public
school,
> > fire department, or whatever. Hell, you could even demonstrate on the
> > street corner *against* the military policies of the current
administration
> > and show more patriotism than a "Patriot" owner. At least that shows
that
> > you care. If you buy a vehicle with a flag decal what does that prove?
> > (Well OK, it proves you are a dork, but probably everyone who knows you
> > knows that already.)
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> > news:Cu02b.2974$wz1.27542685@news-text.cableinet.net...
> >
> >>I really don't understand the anti-Rubicon sentiments. The newsgroup has
> >>been collectively bitching about improvements that should been made to
the
> >>TJ, and when DC does do something about it, slag the vehicle off because
> >>some ******** buy it and even dare to go offroad in it !! Meanwhile,
back
> >
> > at
> >
> >>the ranch, we are saving up to buy the transfer case, lockers and D44
> >
> > front
> >
> >>axle. Is there some sort of unwritten "you have to earn these things"
rule
> >>that is biting?
> >>
> >>Dave Milne, Scotland
> >>'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
> >>
> >>"Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
> >>news:vkg5up9p9iqaf5@corp.supernews.com...
> >>: Most veteran Jeepers I know are running custom coil over 4 links with
> >
> > 37's
> >
> >>: or 38's. Not sure they did that 25 years ago, hmmmm......
> >>:
> >>: You are absolutely right, the Rubicon shows that SOME people at DC
> >>: understand what the whole thing is all about. However, it's likely
the
> >>next
> >>: Grand C. will be independent front and the Liberty, well....how the
Hell
> >>did
> >>: THAT happen?
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> __________________________________________________ _________
> tw
> 03 TJ Rubicon
> 01 XJ Sport
>
> There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
> -- Dave Barry
>
> http://www.7slotgrille.com/jeepers/t...ron/index.html
> (Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
> __________________________________________________ _________
>
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Re: Tomb Raider Rubicon
Hey I gotta work too!! :)
Earle Horton wrote:
> "Ford Aerostar Cargo Van?" ;o)
>
> Earle
>
> "twaldron" <twaldron@sbcOBVIOUSglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:r252b.1762$1x4.361410718@newssvr30.news.prodi gy.com...
>
>>Earle,
>>
>>I like my Rubi and I own a Porsche. That's why I bought them. I'm an
>>automotive fanatic. It's a disease, but I'm ok with it. It has nothing
>>to do with anatomy (You seem to have a preoccupation with the ----- and
>>size, but that's your deal.) I won't show you mine, but if you want
>>references, I'll give you some numbers. :) We each have our own
>>hobbies. I prefer mine over yours.
>>
>>Here is a list of some of the vehicles I've owned in relative order of
>>purchase (might have missed one or two).
>>
>>Psychoanalyze me:
>>
>>1969 Mustang Coupe
>>1969 Mustang Mach 1
>>1975 Firebird Formula
>>1973 Datsun 240Z (brown)
>>1982 Firebird Trans Am
>>1987 Firebird Trans AM GTA
>>1985 Jeep CJ7
>>1985 Camaro
>>1982 Corvette
>>1973 Ford Bronco (early)
>>1986 Corvette Z51
>>1990 Jeep YJ Laredo
>>1973 Datsun 240Z (white)
>>1986 Jeep CJ7 Laredo
>>1978 Porsche 911SC
>>1993 Nissan Pathfinder
>>1989 Nissan Pathfinder
>>1989 Toyota 4Runner
>>1997 Ford Aerostar Cargo Van
>>1999 Jeep TJ Sahara
>>1999 Tahoe Sport (2dr)
>>2001 Jeep Cherokee XJ
>>2003 Jeep Rubicon TJ
>>2003 Nissan Frontier
>>
>>Motorcycles:
>>
>>1973 Yamaha DT175
>>1978 Yamaha Special 650
>>1982 Suzuki Katana 550
>>1985 Honda 1000R
>>1986 Suzuki GSXR750
>>1981 Kawasaki GPz550
>>2000 Yamaha YZF600R
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Earle Horton wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I am not saving up to buy a transfer case, lockers, and D44, although I
>>>would like it if Auburn Gear got their ---- together and completed the
>
> D35
>
>>>limited slip they have supposedly been working on for years. In my
>
> opinion
>
>>>the stock base model Wranglers are more than adequate for the uses that
>
> 99%
>
>>>of purchasers put them to. They are great for cruising college campuses
>
> in
>
>>>search of coeds, camping, and light to moderate off roading. In fact
>
> they
>
>>>are serious over kill for most people. Cinnamon Pass near where I live
>
> is a
>
>>>"moderate" off road trail and was first traversed in a Model T Ford, a
>
> two
>
>>>wheel drive vehicle. I myself have driven a Honda Civic under water.
>
> You
>
>>>don't need a Rubicon to have fun, to get away from it all, or even to do
>>>some serious exploration in places that most people wouldn't dream of
>
> going.
>
>>>I like to pick on the Rubicon owners because of the way they react.
>
> Some of
>
>>>them even have "issues" where they bought the vehicle to prove something
>
> to
>
>>>an uncle. That's no reason to buy a vehicle! I suspect that many
>
> people
>
>>>who buy the Rubicon are weekend warriors who want to have something that
>
> the
>
>>>other wage slaves can admire in the company parking lot. There is
>
> nothing
>
>>>to admire about owning a Rubicon, or a Corvette with "RARE454" for the
>>>license plate (Christ!) or a Lotus or Hummer or any of the other
>
> vehicles I
>
>>>saw parked at the Microsoft parking lot every day and sometimes on
>
> weekends.
>
>>>I worked with people like this long enough to find out that most of them
>>>buy that expensive vehicle because they have no other way to get respect
>>>from their fellow human beings. One of the developers in advanced
>
> systems
>
>>>(who drove an old Honda Civic by the way) used to joke about vehicles
>
> like
>
>>>this being "----- extenders." If your tool is excessively small, what
>>>better than a new Rubicon to make people think that it is on the
>
> contrary
>
>>>quite large?
>>>
>>>Then there's the Patriot Rubicon. You don't show your love of country
>
> by
>
>>>buying a sports utility vehicle from a German company. That just
>
> doesn't
>
>>>make sense to me. If you want to be a "Patriot" you enlist in the armed
>>>forces go to Iraq and get your head blown off, or if you are too old for
>>>that you volunteer at your local VA hospital, EMS services, public
>
> school,
>
>>>fire department, or whatever. Hell, you could even demonstrate on the
>>>street corner *against* the military policies of the current
>
> administration
>
>>>and show more patriotism than a "Patriot" owner. At least that shows
>
> that
>
>>>you care. If you buy a vehicle with a flag decal what does that prove?
>>>(Well OK, it proves you are a dork, but probably everyone who knows you
>>>knows that already.)
>>>
>>>Earle
>>>
>>>"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
>>>news:Cu02b.2974$wz1.27542685@news-text.cableinet.net...
>>>
>>>
>>>>I really don't understand the anti-Rubicon sentiments. The newsgroup has
>>>>been collectively bitching about improvements that should been made to
>
> the
>
>>>>TJ, and when DC does do something about it, slag the vehicle off because
>>>>some ******** buy it and even dare to go offroad in it !! Meanwhile,
>
> back
>
>>>at
>>>
>>>
>>>>the ranch, we are saving up to buy the transfer case, lockers and D44
>>>
>>>front
>>>
>>>
>>>>axle. Is there some sort of unwritten "you have to earn these things"
>
> rule
>
>>>>that is biting?
>>>>
>>>>Dave Milne, Scotland
>>>>'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
>>>>
>>>>"Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
>>>>news:vkg5up9p9iqaf5@corp.supernews.com...
>>>>: Most veteran Jeepers I know are running custom coil over 4 links with
>>>
>>>37's
>>>
>>>
>>>>: or 38's. Not sure they did that 25 years ago, hmmmm......
>>>>:
>>>>: You are absolutely right, the Rubicon shows that SOME people at DC
>>>>: understand what the whole thing is all about. However, it's likely
>
> the
>
>>>>next
>>>>: Grand C. will be independent front and the Liberty, well....how the
>
> Hell
>
>>>>did
>>>>: THAT happen?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>--
>>________________________________________________ ___________
>>tw
>>03 TJ Rubicon
>>01 XJ Sport
>>
>>There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
>>-- Dave Barry
>>
>>http://www.7slotgrille.com/jeepers/t...ron/index.html
>>(Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
>>________________________________________________ ___________
>>
>
>
>
--
__________________________________________________ _________
tw
03 TJ Rubicon
01 XJ Sport
There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry
http://www.7slotgrille.com/jeepers/t...ron/index.html
(Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
__________________________________________________ _________
Earle Horton wrote:
> "Ford Aerostar Cargo Van?" ;o)
>
> Earle
>
> "twaldron" <twaldron@sbcOBVIOUSglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:r252b.1762$1x4.361410718@newssvr30.news.prodi gy.com...
>
>>Earle,
>>
>>I like my Rubi and I own a Porsche. That's why I bought them. I'm an
>>automotive fanatic. It's a disease, but I'm ok with it. It has nothing
>>to do with anatomy (You seem to have a preoccupation with the ----- and
>>size, but that's your deal.) I won't show you mine, but if you want
>>references, I'll give you some numbers. :) We each have our own
>>hobbies. I prefer mine over yours.
>>
>>Here is a list of some of the vehicles I've owned in relative order of
>>purchase (might have missed one or two).
>>
>>Psychoanalyze me:
>>
>>1969 Mustang Coupe
>>1969 Mustang Mach 1
>>1975 Firebird Formula
>>1973 Datsun 240Z (brown)
>>1982 Firebird Trans Am
>>1987 Firebird Trans AM GTA
>>1985 Jeep CJ7
>>1985 Camaro
>>1982 Corvette
>>1973 Ford Bronco (early)
>>1986 Corvette Z51
>>1990 Jeep YJ Laredo
>>1973 Datsun 240Z (white)
>>1986 Jeep CJ7 Laredo
>>1978 Porsche 911SC
>>1993 Nissan Pathfinder
>>1989 Nissan Pathfinder
>>1989 Toyota 4Runner
>>1997 Ford Aerostar Cargo Van
>>1999 Jeep TJ Sahara
>>1999 Tahoe Sport (2dr)
>>2001 Jeep Cherokee XJ
>>2003 Jeep Rubicon TJ
>>2003 Nissan Frontier
>>
>>Motorcycles:
>>
>>1973 Yamaha DT175
>>1978 Yamaha Special 650
>>1982 Suzuki Katana 550
>>1985 Honda 1000R
>>1986 Suzuki GSXR750
>>1981 Kawasaki GPz550
>>2000 Yamaha YZF600R
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Earle Horton wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I am not saving up to buy a transfer case, lockers, and D44, although I
>>>would like it if Auburn Gear got their ---- together and completed the
>
> D35
>
>>>limited slip they have supposedly been working on for years. In my
>
> opinion
>
>>>the stock base model Wranglers are more than adequate for the uses that
>
> 99%
>
>>>of purchasers put them to. They are great for cruising college campuses
>
> in
>
>>>search of coeds, camping, and light to moderate off roading. In fact
>
> they
>
>>>are serious over kill for most people. Cinnamon Pass near where I live
>
> is a
>
>>>"moderate" off road trail and was first traversed in a Model T Ford, a
>
> two
>
>>>wheel drive vehicle. I myself have driven a Honda Civic under water.
>
> You
>
>>>don't need a Rubicon to have fun, to get away from it all, or even to do
>>>some serious exploration in places that most people wouldn't dream of
>
> going.
>
>>>I like to pick on the Rubicon owners because of the way they react.
>
> Some of
>
>>>them even have "issues" where they bought the vehicle to prove something
>
> to
>
>>>an uncle. That's no reason to buy a vehicle! I suspect that many
>
> people
>
>>>who buy the Rubicon are weekend warriors who want to have something that
>
> the
>
>>>other wage slaves can admire in the company parking lot. There is
>
> nothing
>
>>>to admire about owning a Rubicon, or a Corvette with "RARE454" for the
>>>license plate (Christ!) or a Lotus or Hummer or any of the other
>
> vehicles I
>
>>>saw parked at the Microsoft parking lot every day and sometimes on
>
> weekends.
>
>>>I worked with people like this long enough to find out that most of them
>>>buy that expensive vehicle because they have no other way to get respect
>>>from their fellow human beings. One of the developers in advanced
>
> systems
>
>>>(who drove an old Honda Civic by the way) used to joke about vehicles
>
> like
>
>>>this being "----- extenders." If your tool is excessively small, what
>>>better than a new Rubicon to make people think that it is on the
>
> contrary
>
>>>quite large?
>>>
>>>Then there's the Patriot Rubicon. You don't show your love of country
>
> by
>
>>>buying a sports utility vehicle from a German company. That just
>
> doesn't
>
>>>make sense to me. If you want to be a "Patriot" you enlist in the armed
>>>forces go to Iraq and get your head blown off, or if you are too old for
>>>that you volunteer at your local VA hospital, EMS services, public
>
> school,
>
>>>fire department, or whatever. Hell, you could even demonstrate on the
>>>street corner *against* the military policies of the current
>
> administration
>
>>>and show more patriotism than a "Patriot" owner. At least that shows
>
> that
>
>>>you care. If you buy a vehicle with a flag decal what does that prove?
>>>(Well OK, it proves you are a dork, but probably everyone who knows you
>>>knows that already.)
>>>
>>>Earle
>>>
>>>"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
>>>news:Cu02b.2974$wz1.27542685@news-text.cableinet.net...
>>>
>>>
>>>>I really don't understand the anti-Rubicon sentiments. The newsgroup has
>>>>been collectively bitching about improvements that should been made to
>
> the
>
>>>>TJ, and when DC does do something about it, slag the vehicle off because
>>>>some ******** buy it and even dare to go offroad in it !! Meanwhile,
>
> back
>
>>>at
>>>
>>>
>>>>the ranch, we are saving up to buy the transfer case, lockers and D44
>>>
>>>front
>>>
>>>
>>>>axle. Is there some sort of unwritten "you have to earn these things"
>
> rule
>
>>>>that is biting?
>>>>
>>>>Dave Milne, Scotland
>>>>'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
>>>>
>>>>"Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
>>>>news:vkg5up9p9iqaf5@corp.supernews.com...
>>>>: Most veteran Jeepers I know are running custom coil over 4 links with
>>>
>>>37's
>>>
>>>
>>>>: or 38's. Not sure they did that 25 years ago, hmmmm......
>>>>:
>>>>: You are absolutely right, the Rubicon shows that SOME people at DC
>>>>: understand what the whole thing is all about. However, it's likely
>
> the
>
>>>>next
>>>>: Grand C. will be independent front and the Liberty, well....how the
>
> Hell
>
>>>>did
>>>>: THAT happen?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>--
>>________________________________________________ ___________
>>tw
>>03 TJ Rubicon
>>01 XJ Sport
>>
>>There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
>>-- Dave Barry
>>
>>http://www.7slotgrille.com/jeepers/t...ron/index.html
>>(Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
>>________________________________________________ ___________
>>
>
>
>
--
__________________________________________________ _________
tw
03 TJ Rubicon
01 XJ Sport
There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry
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Re: Tomb Raider Rubicon
Hey I gotta work too!! :)
Earle Horton wrote:
> "Ford Aerostar Cargo Van?" ;o)
>
> Earle
>
> "twaldron" <twaldron@sbcOBVIOUSglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:r252b.1762$1x4.361410718@newssvr30.news.prodi gy.com...
>
>>Earle,
>>
>>I like my Rubi and I own a Porsche. That's why I bought them. I'm an
>>automotive fanatic. It's a disease, but I'm ok with it. It has nothing
>>to do with anatomy (You seem to have a preoccupation with the ----- and
>>size, but that's your deal.) I won't show you mine, but if you want
>>references, I'll give you some numbers. :) We each have our own
>>hobbies. I prefer mine over yours.
>>
>>Here is a list of some of the vehicles I've owned in relative order of
>>purchase (might have missed one or two).
>>
>>Psychoanalyze me:
>>
>>1969 Mustang Coupe
>>1969 Mustang Mach 1
>>1975 Firebird Formula
>>1973 Datsun 240Z (brown)
>>1982 Firebird Trans Am
>>1987 Firebird Trans AM GTA
>>1985 Jeep CJ7
>>1985 Camaro
>>1982 Corvette
>>1973 Ford Bronco (early)
>>1986 Corvette Z51
>>1990 Jeep YJ Laredo
>>1973 Datsun 240Z (white)
>>1986 Jeep CJ7 Laredo
>>1978 Porsche 911SC
>>1993 Nissan Pathfinder
>>1989 Nissan Pathfinder
>>1989 Toyota 4Runner
>>1997 Ford Aerostar Cargo Van
>>1999 Jeep TJ Sahara
>>1999 Tahoe Sport (2dr)
>>2001 Jeep Cherokee XJ
>>2003 Jeep Rubicon TJ
>>2003 Nissan Frontier
>>
>>Motorcycles:
>>
>>1973 Yamaha DT175
>>1978 Yamaha Special 650
>>1982 Suzuki Katana 550
>>1985 Honda 1000R
>>1986 Suzuki GSXR750
>>1981 Kawasaki GPz550
>>2000 Yamaha YZF600R
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Earle Horton wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I am not saving up to buy a transfer case, lockers, and D44, although I
>>>would like it if Auburn Gear got their ---- together and completed the
>
> D35
>
>>>limited slip they have supposedly been working on for years. In my
>
> opinion
>
>>>the stock base model Wranglers are more than adequate for the uses that
>
> 99%
>
>>>of purchasers put them to. They are great for cruising college campuses
>
> in
>
>>>search of coeds, camping, and light to moderate off roading. In fact
>
> they
>
>>>are serious over kill for most people. Cinnamon Pass near where I live
>
> is a
>
>>>"moderate" off road trail and was first traversed in a Model T Ford, a
>
> two
>
>>>wheel drive vehicle. I myself have driven a Honda Civic under water.
>
> You
>
>>>don't need a Rubicon to have fun, to get away from it all, or even to do
>>>some serious exploration in places that most people wouldn't dream of
>
> going.
>
>>>I like to pick on the Rubicon owners because of the way they react.
>
> Some of
>
>>>them even have "issues" where they bought the vehicle to prove something
>
> to
>
>>>an uncle. That's no reason to buy a vehicle! I suspect that many
>
> people
>
>>>who buy the Rubicon are weekend warriors who want to have something that
>
> the
>
>>>other wage slaves can admire in the company parking lot. There is
>
> nothing
>
>>>to admire about owning a Rubicon, or a Corvette with "RARE454" for the
>>>license plate (Christ!) or a Lotus or Hummer or any of the other
>
> vehicles I
>
>>>saw parked at the Microsoft parking lot every day and sometimes on
>
> weekends.
>
>>>I worked with people like this long enough to find out that most of them
>>>buy that expensive vehicle because they have no other way to get respect
>>>from their fellow human beings. One of the developers in advanced
>
> systems
>
>>>(who drove an old Honda Civic by the way) used to joke about vehicles
>
> like
>
>>>this being "----- extenders." If your tool is excessively small, what
>>>better than a new Rubicon to make people think that it is on the
>
> contrary
>
>>>quite large?
>>>
>>>Then there's the Patriot Rubicon. You don't show your love of country
>
> by
>
>>>buying a sports utility vehicle from a German company. That just
>
> doesn't
>
>>>make sense to me. If you want to be a "Patriot" you enlist in the armed
>>>forces go to Iraq and get your head blown off, or if you are too old for
>>>that you volunteer at your local VA hospital, EMS services, public
>
> school,
>
>>>fire department, or whatever. Hell, you could even demonstrate on the
>>>street corner *against* the military policies of the current
>
> administration
>
>>>and show more patriotism than a "Patriot" owner. At least that shows
>
> that
>
>>>you care. If you buy a vehicle with a flag decal what does that prove?
>>>(Well OK, it proves you are a dork, but probably everyone who knows you
>>>knows that already.)
>>>
>>>Earle
>>>
>>>"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
>>>news:Cu02b.2974$wz1.27542685@news-text.cableinet.net...
>>>
>>>
>>>>I really don't understand the anti-Rubicon sentiments. The newsgroup has
>>>>been collectively bitching about improvements that should been made to
>
> the
>
>>>>TJ, and when DC does do something about it, slag the vehicle off because
>>>>some ******** buy it and even dare to go offroad in it !! Meanwhile,
>
> back
>
>>>at
>>>
>>>
>>>>the ranch, we are saving up to buy the transfer case, lockers and D44
>>>
>>>front
>>>
>>>
>>>>axle. Is there some sort of unwritten "you have to earn these things"
>
> rule
>
>>>>that is biting?
>>>>
>>>>Dave Milne, Scotland
>>>>'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
>>>>
>>>>"Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
>>>>news:vkg5up9p9iqaf5@corp.supernews.com...
>>>>: Most veteran Jeepers I know are running custom coil over 4 links with
>>>
>>>37's
>>>
>>>
>>>>: or 38's. Not sure they did that 25 years ago, hmmmm......
>>>>:
>>>>: You are absolutely right, the Rubicon shows that SOME people at DC
>>>>: understand what the whole thing is all about. However, it's likely
>
> the
>
>>>>next
>>>>: Grand C. will be independent front and the Liberty, well....how the
>
> Hell
>
>>>>did
>>>>: THAT happen?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>--
>>________________________________________________ ___________
>>tw
>>03 TJ Rubicon
>>01 XJ Sport
>>
>>There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
>>-- Dave Barry
>>
>>http://www.7slotgrille.com/jeepers/t...ron/index.html
>>(Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
>>________________________________________________ ___________
>>
>
>
>
--
__________________________________________________ _________
tw
03 TJ Rubicon
01 XJ Sport
There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry
http://www.7slotgrille.com/jeepers/t...ron/index.html
(Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
__________________________________________________ _________
Earle Horton wrote:
> "Ford Aerostar Cargo Van?" ;o)
>
> Earle
>
> "twaldron" <twaldron@sbcOBVIOUSglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:r252b.1762$1x4.361410718@newssvr30.news.prodi gy.com...
>
>>Earle,
>>
>>I like my Rubi and I own a Porsche. That's why I bought them. I'm an
>>automotive fanatic. It's a disease, but I'm ok with it. It has nothing
>>to do with anatomy (You seem to have a preoccupation with the ----- and
>>size, but that's your deal.) I won't show you mine, but if you want
>>references, I'll give you some numbers. :) We each have our own
>>hobbies. I prefer mine over yours.
>>
>>Here is a list of some of the vehicles I've owned in relative order of
>>purchase (might have missed one or two).
>>
>>Psychoanalyze me:
>>
>>1969 Mustang Coupe
>>1969 Mustang Mach 1
>>1975 Firebird Formula
>>1973 Datsun 240Z (brown)
>>1982 Firebird Trans Am
>>1987 Firebird Trans AM GTA
>>1985 Jeep CJ7
>>1985 Camaro
>>1982 Corvette
>>1973 Ford Bronco (early)
>>1986 Corvette Z51
>>1990 Jeep YJ Laredo
>>1973 Datsun 240Z (white)
>>1986 Jeep CJ7 Laredo
>>1978 Porsche 911SC
>>1993 Nissan Pathfinder
>>1989 Nissan Pathfinder
>>1989 Toyota 4Runner
>>1997 Ford Aerostar Cargo Van
>>1999 Jeep TJ Sahara
>>1999 Tahoe Sport (2dr)
>>2001 Jeep Cherokee XJ
>>2003 Jeep Rubicon TJ
>>2003 Nissan Frontier
>>
>>Motorcycles:
>>
>>1973 Yamaha DT175
>>1978 Yamaha Special 650
>>1982 Suzuki Katana 550
>>1985 Honda 1000R
>>1986 Suzuki GSXR750
>>1981 Kawasaki GPz550
>>2000 Yamaha YZF600R
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Earle Horton wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I am not saving up to buy a transfer case, lockers, and D44, although I
>>>would like it if Auburn Gear got their ---- together and completed the
>
> D35
>
>>>limited slip they have supposedly been working on for years. In my
>
> opinion
>
>>>the stock base model Wranglers are more than adequate for the uses that
>
> 99%
>
>>>of purchasers put them to. They are great for cruising college campuses
>
> in
>
>>>search of coeds, camping, and light to moderate off roading. In fact
>
> they
>
>>>are serious over kill for most people. Cinnamon Pass near where I live
>
> is a
>
>>>"moderate" off road trail and was first traversed in a Model T Ford, a
>
> two
>
>>>wheel drive vehicle. I myself have driven a Honda Civic under water.
>
> You
>
>>>don't need a Rubicon to have fun, to get away from it all, or even to do
>>>some serious exploration in places that most people wouldn't dream of
>
> going.
>
>>>I like to pick on the Rubicon owners because of the way they react.
>
> Some of
>
>>>them even have "issues" where they bought the vehicle to prove something
>
> to
>
>>>an uncle. That's no reason to buy a vehicle! I suspect that many
>
> people
>
>>>who buy the Rubicon are weekend warriors who want to have something that
>
> the
>
>>>other wage slaves can admire in the company parking lot. There is
>
> nothing
>
>>>to admire about owning a Rubicon, or a Corvette with "RARE454" for the
>>>license plate (Christ!) or a Lotus or Hummer or any of the other
>
> vehicles I
>
>>>saw parked at the Microsoft parking lot every day and sometimes on
>
> weekends.
>
>>>I worked with people like this long enough to find out that most of them
>>>buy that expensive vehicle because they have no other way to get respect
>>>from their fellow human beings. One of the developers in advanced
>
> systems
>
>>>(who drove an old Honda Civic by the way) used to joke about vehicles
>
> like
>
>>>this being "----- extenders." If your tool is excessively small, what
>>>better than a new Rubicon to make people think that it is on the
>
> contrary
>
>>>quite large?
>>>
>>>Then there's the Patriot Rubicon. You don't show your love of country
>
> by
>
>>>buying a sports utility vehicle from a German company. That just
>
> doesn't
>
>>>make sense to me. If you want to be a "Patriot" you enlist in the armed
>>>forces go to Iraq and get your head blown off, or if you are too old for
>>>that you volunteer at your local VA hospital, EMS services, public
>
> school,
>
>>>fire department, or whatever. Hell, you could even demonstrate on the
>>>street corner *against* the military policies of the current
>
> administration
>
>>>and show more patriotism than a "Patriot" owner. At least that shows
>
> that
>
>>>you care. If you buy a vehicle with a flag decal what does that prove?
>>>(Well OK, it proves you are a dork, but probably everyone who knows you
>>>knows that already.)
>>>
>>>Earle
>>>
>>>"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
>>>news:Cu02b.2974$wz1.27542685@news-text.cableinet.net...
>>>
>>>
>>>>I really don't understand the anti-Rubicon sentiments. The newsgroup has
>>>>been collectively bitching about improvements that should been made to
>
> the
>
>>>>TJ, and when DC does do something about it, slag the vehicle off because
>>>>some ******** buy it and even dare to go offroad in it !! Meanwhile,
>
> back
>
>>>at
>>>
>>>
>>>>the ranch, we are saving up to buy the transfer case, lockers and D44
>>>
>>>front
>>>
>>>
>>>>axle. Is there some sort of unwritten "you have to earn these things"
>
> rule
>
>>>>that is biting?
>>>>
>>>>Dave Milne, Scotland
>>>>'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
>>>>
>>>>"Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
>>>>news:vkg5up9p9iqaf5@corp.supernews.com...
>>>>: Most veteran Jeepers I know are running custom coil over 4 links with
>>>
>>>37's
>>>
>>>
>>>>: or 38's. Not sure they did that 25 years ago, hmmmm......
>>>>:
>>>>: You are absolutely right, the Rubicon shows that SOME people at DC
>>>>: understand what the whole thing is all about. However, it's likely
>
> the
>
>>>>next
>>>>: Grand C. will be independent front and the Liberty, well....how the
>
> Hell
>
>>>>did
>>>>: THAT happen?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>--
>>________________________________________________ ___________
>>tw
>>03 TJ Rubicon
>>01 XJ Sport
>>
>>There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
>>-- Dave Barry
>>
>>http://www.7slotgrille.com/jeepers/t...ron/index.html
>>(Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
>>________________________________________________ ___________
>>
>
>
>
--
__________________________________________________ _________
tw
03 TJ Rubicon
01 XJ Sport
There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry
http://www.7slotgrille.com/jeepers/t...ron/index.html
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Re: Tomb Raider Rubicon
CJs don't have a reputation for being well rust-proofed. I guess running a
car in the wet and then putting it in your slightly warmer garage doesn't
help much, plus we do use salt to melt the roads as you said. My Landy,
which had a much thicker chassis than the TJ (and the CJ for that matter)
was only shipped with paint for protection; and that rusted out so badly !
The TJ seems to be doing a lot better so far ; a couple of surface bubbles
on one part of my chassis which have been POR-15'd, but nothing elsewhere
and the body looks perfect. The UJs are the worst looking as they are
shipped unprotected, but I'm sure I'll break them before they rust out.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
"twaldron" <twaldron@sbcOBVIOUSglobal.net> wrote in message
news:rh42b.1755$ve3.356099204@newssvr30.news.prodi gy.com...
: No offense taken, Dave. Why are CJs having such problems with rust over
: there? They don't fare well in climates here where they use salt to melt
: snow and ice, but no vehicles do. In dryer, warmer climates, they don't
: rust at all.
:
: Dave Milne wrote:
:
: > I'm sure you did, no offense intended.
: > I'd love a CJ and a Rubicon too. As a CJ is a fairly scarce and rusty
: > proposition here sadly, I'll just have to hope the Rubicon makes it
over..
: >
: > Dave Milne, Scotland
: > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
: >
: > "twaldron" <twaldron@sbcOBVIOUSglobal.net> wrote in message
: > news:ID32b.1745$Ye2.352069787@newssvr30.news.prodi gy.com...
: > : Dave, I DID earn my Rubi. Every last cent I spend on it too. As far as
: > : the anti-Rubicon sentiments, I think those come from a relatively few
: > : loud-mouthed individuals without self-control nor the where-with-all
to
: > : make the purchase. As Earle pointed out, 'sour grapes'.
: > :
: > : As far as older technology, I'd love to have another CJ. In fact, I'd
: > : love to have a Jay Leno sized warehouse full of them. Along with old
: > : FJ40s, early Broncos, Mustangs, Porsches, etc. etc. Appreciating the
old
: > : does not give me blinders to the fact that the Rubicon is the best
: > : out-of-the-box Jeep ever produced. Period.
: > :
: > :
: > : Dave Milne wrote:
: > :
: > : > I really don't understand the anti-Rubicon sentiments. The newsgroup
has
: > : > been collectively bitching about improvements that should been made
to
: > the
: > : > TJ, and when DC does do something about it, slag the vehicle off
because
: > : > some ******** buy it and even dare to go offroad in it !! Meanwhile,
: > back at
: > : > the ranch, we are saving up to buy the transfer case, lockers and
D44
: > front
: > : > axle. Is there some sort of unwritten "you have to earn these
things"
: > rule
: > : > that is biting?
: > : >
: > : > Dave Milne, Scotland
: > : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
: > : >
: > : > "Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
: > : > news:vkg5up9p9iqaf5@corp.supernews.com...
: > : > : Most veteran Jeepers I know are running custom coil over 4 links
with
: > 37's
: > : > : or 38's. Not sure they did that 25 years ago, hmmmm......
: > : > :
: > : > : You are absolutely right, the Rubicon shows that SOME people at DC
: > : > : understand what the whole thing is all about. However, it's
likely
: > the
: > : > next
: > : > : Grand C. will be independent front and the Liberty, well....how
the
: > Hell
: > : > did
: > : > : THAT happen?
: > : >
: > : >
: > :
: > : --
: > : __________________________________________________ _________
: > : tw
: > : 03 TJ Rubicon
: > : 01 XJ Sport
: > :
: > : There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
: > : -- Dave Barry
: > :
: > : http://www.7slotgrille.com/jeepers/t...ron/index.html
: > : (Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
: > : __________________________________________________ _________
: > :
: >
: >
:
: --
: __________________________________________________ _________
: tw
: 03 TJ Rubicon
: 01 XJ Sport
:
: There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
: -- Dave Barry
:
: http://www.7slotgrille.com/jeepers/t...ron/index.html
: (Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
: __________________________________________________ _________
:
car in the wet and then putting it in your slightly warmer garage doesn't
help much, plus we do use salt to melt the roads as you said. My Landy,
which had a much thicker chassis than the TJ (and the CJ for that matter)
was only shipped with paint for protection; and that rusted out so badly !
The TJ seems to be doing a lot better so far ; a couple of surface bubbles
on one part of my chassis which have been POR-15'd, but nothing elsewhere
and the body looks perfect. The UJs are the worst looking as they are
shipped unprotected, but I'm sure I'll break them before they rust out.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
"twaldron" <twaldron@sbcOBVIOUSglobal.net> wrote in message
news:rh42b.1755$ve3.356099204@newssvr30.news.prodi gy.com...
: No offense taken, Dave. Why are CJs having such problems with rust over
: there? They don't fare well in climates here where they use salt to melt
: snow and ice, but no vehicles do. In dryer, warmer climates, they don't
: rust at all.
:
: Dave Milne wrote:
:
: > I'm sure you did, no offense intended.
: > I'd love a CJ and a Rubicon too. As a CJ is a fairly scarce and rusty
: > proposition here sadly, I'll just have to hope the Rubicon makes it
over..
: >
: > Dave Milne, Scotland
: > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
: >
: > "twaldron" <twaldron@sbcOBVIOUSglobal.net> wrote in message
: > news:ID32b.1745$Ye2.352069787@newssvr30.news.prodi gy.com...
: > : Dave, I DID earn my Rubi. Every last cent I spend on it too. As far as
: > : the anti-Rubicon sentiments, I think those come from a relatively few
: > : loud-mouthed individuals without self-control nor the where-with-all
to
: > : make the purchase. As Earle pointed out, 'sour grapes'.
: > :
: > : As far as older technology, I'd love to have another CJ. In fact, I'd
: > : love to have a Jay Leno sized warehouse full of them. Along with old
: > : FJ40s, early Broncos, Mustangs, Porsches, etc. etc. Appreciating the
old
: > : does not give me blinders to the fact that the Rubicon is the best
: > : out-of-the-box Jeep ever produced. Period.
: > :
: > :
: > : Dave Milne wrote:
: > :
: > : > I really don't understand the anti-Rubicon sentiments. The newsgroup
has
: > : > been collectively bitching about improvements that should been made
to
: > the
: > : > TJ, and when DC does do something about it, slag the vehicle off
because
: > : > some ******** buy it and even dare to go offroad in it !! Meanwhile,
: > back at
: > : > the ranch, we are saving up to buy the transfer case, lockers and
D44
: > front
: > : > axle. Is there some sort of unwritten "you have to earn these
things"
: > rule
: > : > that is biting?
: > : >
: > : > Dave Milne, Scotland
: > : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
: > : >
: > : > "Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
: > : > news:vkg5up9p9iqaf5@corp.supernews.com...
: > : > : Most veteran Jeepers I know are running custom coil over 4 links
with
: > 37's
: > : > : or 38's. Not sure they did that 25 years ago, hmmmm......
: > : > :
: > : > : You are absolutely right, the Rubicon shows that SOME people at DC
: > : > : understand what the whole thing is all about. However, it's
likely
: > the
: > : > next
: > : > : Grand C. will be independent front and the Liberty, well....how
the
: > Hell
: > : > did
: > : > : THAT happen?
: > : >
: > : >
: > :
: > : --
: > : __________________________________________________ _________
: > : tw
: > : 03 TJ Rubicon
: > : 01 XJ Sport
: > :
: > : There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
: > : -- Dave Barry
: > :
: > : http://www.7slotgrille.com/jeepers/t...ron/index.html
: > : (Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
: > : __________________________________________________ _________
: > :
: >
: >
:
: --
: __________________________________________________ _________
: tw
: 03 TJ Rubicon
: 01 XJ Sport
:
: There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
: -- Dave Barry
:
: http://www.7slotgrille.com/jeepers/t...ron/index.html
: (Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
: __________________________________________________ _________
:
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Tomb Raider Rubicon
CJs don't have a reputation for being well rust-proofed. I guess running a
car in the wet and then putting it in your slightly warmer garage doesn't
help much, plus we do use salt to melt the roads as you said. My Landy,
which had a much thicker chassis than the TJ (and the CJ for that matter)
was only shipped with paint for protection; and that rusted out so badly !
The TJ seems to be doing a lot better so far ; a couple of surface bubbles
on one part of my chassis which have been POR-15'd, but nothing elsewhere
and the body looks perfect. The UJs are the worst looking as they are
shipped unprotected, but I'm sure I'll break them before they rust out.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
"twaldron" <twaldron@sbcOBVIOUSglobal.net> wrote in message
news:rh42b.1755$ve3.356099204@newssvr30.news.prodi gy.com...
: No offense taken, Dave. Why are CJs having such problems with rust over
: there? They don't fare well in climates here where they use salt to melt
: snow and ice, but no vehicles do. In dryer, warmer climates, they don't
: rust at all.
:
: Dave Milne wrote:
:
: > I'm sure you did, no offense intended.
: > I'd love a CJ and a Rubicon too. As a CJ is a fairly scarce and rusty
: > proposition here sadly, I'll just have to hope the Rubicon makes it
over..
: >
: > Dave Milne, Scotland
: > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
: >
: > "twaldron" <twaldron@sbcOBVIOUSglobal.net> wrote in message
: > news:ID32b.1745$Ye2.352069787@newssvr30.news.prodi gy.com...
: > : Dave, I DID earn my Rubi. Every last cent I spend on it too. As far as
: > : the anti-Rubicon sentiments, I think those come from a relatively few
: > : loud-mouthed individuals without self-control nor the where-with-all
to
: > : make the purchase. As Earle pointed out, 'sour grapes'.
: > :
: > : As far as older technology, I'd love to have another CJ. In fact, I'd
: > : love to have a Jay Leno sized warehouse full of them. Along with old
: > : FJ40s, early Broncos, Mustangs, Porsches, etc. etc. Appreciating the
old
: > : does not give me blinders to the fact that the Rubicon is the best
: > : out-of-the-box Jeep ever produced. Period.
: > :
: > :
: > : Dave Milne wrote:
: > :
: > : > I really don't understand the anti-Rubicon sentiments. The newsgroup
has
: > : > been collectively bitching about improvements that should been made
to
: > the
: > : > TJ, and when DC does do something about it, slag the vehicle off
because
: > : > some ******** buy it and even dare to go offroad in it !! Meanwhile,
: > back at
: > : > the ranch, we are saving up to buy the transfer case, lockers and
D44
: > front
: > : > axle. Is there some sort of unwritten "you have to earn these
things"
: > rule
: > : > that is biting?
: > : >
: > : > Dave Milne, Scotland
: > : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
: > : >
: > : > "Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
: > : > news:vkg5up9p9iqaf5@corp.supernews.com...
: > : > : Most veteran Jeepers I know are running custom coil over 4 links
with
: > 37's
: > : > : or 38's. Not sure they did that 25 years ago, hmmmm......
: > : > :
: > : > : You are absolutely right, the Rubicon shows that SOME people at DC
: > : > : understand what the whole thing is all about. However, it's
likely
: > the
: > : > next
: > : > : Grand C. will be independent front and the Liberty, well....how
the
: > Hell
: > : > did
: > : > : THAT happen?
: > : >
: > : >
: > :
: > : --
: > : __________________________________________________ _________
: > : tw
: > : 03 TJ Rubicon
: > : 01 XJ Sport
: > :
: > : There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
: > : -- Dave Barry
: > :
: > : http://www.7slotgrille.com/jeepers/t...ron/index.html
: > : (Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
: > : __________________________________________________ _________
: > :
: >
: >
:
: --
: __________________________________________________ _________
: tw
: 03 TJ Rubicon
: 01 XJ Sport
:
: There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
: -- Dave Barry
:
: http://www.7slotgrille.com/jeepers/t...ron/index.html
: (Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
: __________________________________________________ _________
:
car in the wet and then putting it in your slightly warmer garage doesn't
help much, plus we do use salt to melt the roads as you said. My Landy,
which had a much thicker chassis than the TJ (and the CJ for that matter)
was only shipped with paint for protection; and that rusted out so badly !
The TJ seems to be doing a lot better so far ; a couple of surface bubbles
on one part of my chassis which have been POR-15'd, but nothing elsewhere
and the body looks perfect. The UJs are the worst looking as they are
shipped unprotected, but I'm sure I'll break them before they rust out.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
"twaldron" <twaldron@sbcOBVIOUSglobal.net> wrote in message
news:rh42b.1755$ve3.356099204@newssvr30.news.prodi gy.com...
: No offense taken, Dave. Why are CJs having such problems with rust over
: there? They don't fare well in climates here where they use salt to melt
: snow and ice, but no vehicles do. In dryer, warmer climates, they don't
: rust at all.
:
: Dave Milne wrote:
:
: > I'm sure you did, no offense intended.
: > I'd love a CJ and a Rubicon too. As a CJ is a fairly scarce and rusty
: > proposition here sadly, I'll just have to hope the Rubicon makes it
over..
: >
: > Dave Milne, Scotland
: > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
: >
: > "twaldron" <twaldron@sbcOBVIOUSglobal.net> wrote in message
: > news:ID32b.1745$Ye2.352069787@newssvr30.news.prodi gy.com...
: > : Dave, I DID earn my Rubi. Every last cent I spend on it too. As far as
: > : the anti-Rubicon sentiments, I think those come from a relatively few
: > : loud-mouthed individuals without self-control nor the where-with-all
to
: > : make the purchase. As Earle pointed out, 'sour grapes'.
: > :
: > : As far as older technology, I'd love to have another CJ. In fact, I'd
: > : love to have a Jay Leno sized warehouse full of them. Along with old
: > : FJ40s, early Broncos, Mustangs, Porsches, etc. etc. Appreciating the
old
: > : does not give me blinders to the fact that the Rubicon is the best
: > : out-of-the-box Jeep ever produced. Period.
: > :
: > :
: > : Dave Milne wrote:
: > :
: > : > I really don't understand the anti-Rubicon sentiments. The newsgroup
has
: > : > been collectively bitching about improvements that should been made
to
: > the
: > : > TJ, and when DC does do something about it, slag the vehicle off
because
: > : > some ******** buy it and even dare to go offroad in it !! Meanwhile,
: > back at
: > : > the ranch, we are saving up to buy the transfer case, lockers and
D44
: > front
: > : > axle. Is there some sort of unwritten "you have to earn these
things"
: > rule
: > : > that is biting?
: > : >
: > : > Dave Milne, Scotland
: > : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
: > : >
: > : > "Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
: > : > news:vkg5up9p9iqaf5@corp.supernews.com...
: > : > : Most veteran Jeepers I know are running custom coil over 4 links
with
: > 37's
: > : > : or 38's. Not sure they did that 25 years ago, hmmmm......
: > : > :
: > : > : You are absolutely right, the Rubicon shows that SOME people at DC
: > : > : understand what the whole thing is all about. However, it's
likely
: > the
: > : > next
: > : > : Grand C. will be independent front and the Liberty, well....how
the
: > Hell
: > : > did
: > : > : THAT happen?
: > : >
: > : >
: > :
: > : --
: > : __________________________________________________ _________
: > : tw
: > : 03 TJ Rubicon
: > : 01 XJ Sport
: > :
: > : There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
: > : -- Dave Barry
: > :
: > : http://www.7slotgrille.com/jeepers/t...ron/index.html
: > : (Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
: > : __________________________________________________ _________
: > :
: >
: >
:
: --
: __________________________________________________ _________
: tw
: 03 TJ Rubicon
: 01 XJ Sport
:
: There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
: -- Dave Barry
:
: http://www.7slotgrille.com/jeepers/t...ron/index.html
: (Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
: __________________________________________________ _________
:
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Re: Tomb Raider Rubicon
"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:N072b.3328$Iq4.30295252@news-text.cableinet.net...
> We are all weekend warriors, some more serious than others. Can
> you do offroading professionally ? Suspect it might be a bit boring
> every day.
I don't know about that but I can tell you that skiing every day is boring.
It's too bad too, because it's still fun. Sometimes I wish I had one of
those personalities that allows one to race, or ski, or fish every day, all
day. Then again I have talked to people like this and strangely they are no
fun to be with.
>
> As for picking on Rubicon owners because of the way they react, you
> pick on anyone who will react - the Rubicon bit has nothing to do with it
!
I consider it a public service.
Earle
>
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
>
> "Earle Horton" <enfermero_diabolico@registerednurses.com> wrote in message
> news:biakm2$7b9e9$1@ID-147790.news.uni-berlin.de...
> : I am not saving up to buy a transfer case, lockers, and D44, although I
> : would like it if Auburn Gear got their ---- together and completed the
D35
> : limited slip they have supposedly been working on for years. In my
> opinion
> : the stock base model Wranglers are more than adequate for the uses that
> 99%
> : of purchasers put them to. They are great for cruising college campuses
> in
> : search of coeds, camping, and light to moderate off roading. In fact
they
> : are serious over kill for most people. Cinnamon Pass near where I live
is
> a
> : "moderate" off road trail and was first traversed in a Model T Ford, a
two
> : wheel drive vehicle. I myself have driven a Honda Civic under water.
You
> : don't need a Rubicon to have fun, to get away from it all, or even to do
> : some serious exploration in places that most people wouldn't dream of
> going.
> :
> : I like to pick on the Rubicon owners because of the way they react.
Some
> of
> : them even have "issues" where they bought the vehicle to prove something
> to
> : an uncle. That's no reason to buy a vehicle! I suspect that many
people
> : who buy the Rubicon are weekend warriors who want to have something that
> the
> : other wage slaves can admire in the company parking lot. There is
nothing
> : to admire about owning a Rubicon, or a Corvette with "RARE454" for the
> : license plate (Christ!) or a Lotus or Hummer or any of the other
vehicles
> I
> : saw parked at the Microsoft parking lot every day and sometimes on
> weekends.
> : I worked with people like this long enough to find out that most of them
> : buy that expensive vehicle because they have no other way to get respect
> : from their fellow human beings. One of the developers in advanced
systems
> : (who drove an old Honda Civic by the way) used to joke about vehicles
like
> : this being "----- extenders." If your tool is excessively small, what
> : better than a new Rubicon to make people think that it is on the
contrary
> : quite large?
> :
> : Then there's the Patriot Rubicon. You don't show your love of country
by
> : buying a sports utility vehicle from a German company. That just
doesn't
> : make sense to me. If you want to be a "Patriot" you enlist in the armed
> : forces go to Iraq and get your head blown off, or if you are too old for
> : that you volunteer at your local VA hospital, EMS services, public
school,
> : fire department, or whatever. Hell, you could even demonstrate on the
> : street corner *against* the military policies of the current
> administration
> : and show more patriotism than a "Patriot" owner. At least that shows
that
> : you care. If you buy a vehicle with a flag decal what does that prove?
> : (Well OK, it proves you are a dork, but probably everyone who knows you
> : knows that already.)
> :
> : Earle
> :
> : "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> : news:Cu02b.2974$wz1.27542685@news-text.cableinet.net...
> : > I really don't understand the anti-Rubicon sentiments. The newsgroup
has
> : > been collectively bitching about improvements that should been made to
> the
> : > TJ, and when DC does do something about it, slag the vehicle off
because
> : > some ******** buy it and even dare to go offroad in it !! Meanwhile,
> back
> : at
> : > the ranch, we are saving up to buy the transfer case, lockers and D44
> : front
> : > axle. Is there some sort of unwritten "you have to earn these things"
> rule
> : > that is biting?
> : >
> : > Dave Milne, Scotland
> : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
> : >
> : > "Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
> : > news:vkg5up9p9iqaf5@corp.supernews.com...
> : > : Most veteran Jeepers I know are running custom coil over 4 links
with
> : 37's
> : > : or 38's. Not sure they did that 25 years ago, hmmmm......
> : > :
> : > : You are absolutely right, the Rubicon shows that SOME people at DC
> : > : understand what the whole thing is all about. However, it's likely
> the
> : > next
> : > : Grand C. will be independent front and the Liberty, well....how the
> Hell
> : > did
> : > : THAT happen?
> : >
> : >
> :
> :
> :
>
>
news:N072b.3328$Iq4.30295252@news-text.cableinet.net...
> We are all weekend warriors, some more serious than others. Can
> you do offroading professionally ? Suspect it might be a bit boring
> every day.
I don't know about that but I can tell you that skiing every day is boring.
It's too bad too, because it's still fun. Sometimes I wish I had one of
those personalities that allows one to race, or ski, or fish every day, all
day. Then again I have talked to people like this and strangely they are no
fun to be with.
>
> As for picking on Rubicon owners because of the way they react, you
> pick on anyone who will react - the Rubicon bit has nothing to do with it
!
I consider it a public service.
Earle
>
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
>
> "Earle Horton" <enfermero_diabolico@registerednurses.com> wrote in message
> news:biakm2$7b9e9$1@ID-147790.news.uni-berlin.de...
> : I am not saving up to buy a transfer case, lockers, and D44, although I
> : would like it if Auburn Gear got their ---- together and completed the
D35
> : limited slip they have supposedly been working on for years. In my
> opinion
> : the stock base model Wranglers are more than adequate for the uses that
> 99%
> : of purchasers put them to. They are great for cruising college campuses
> in
> : search of coeds, camping, and light to moderate off roading. In fact
they
> : are serious over kill for most people. Cinnamon Pass near where I live
is
> a
> : "moderate" off road trail and was first traversed in a Model T Ford, a
two
> : wheel drive vehicle. I myself have driven a Honda Civic under water.
You
> : don't need a Rubicon to have fun, to get away from it all, or even to do
> : some serious exploration in places that most people wouldn't dream of
> going.
> :
> : I like to pick on the Rubicon owners because of the way they react.
Some
> of
> : them even have "issues" where they bought the vehicle to prove something
> to
> : an uncle. That's no reason to buy a vehicle! I suspect that many
people
> : who buy the Rubicon are weekend warriors who want to have something that
> the
> : other wage slaves can admire in the company parking lot. There is
nothing
> : to admire about owning a Rubicon, or a Corvette with "RARE454" for the
> : license plate (Christ!) or a Lotus or Hummer or any of the other
vehicles
> I
> : saw parked at the Microsoft parking lot every day and sometimes on
> weekends.
> : I worked with people like this long enough to find out that most of them
> : buy that expensive vehicle because they have no other way to get respect
> : from their fellow human beings. One of the developers in advanced
systems
> : (who drove an old Honda Civic by the way) used to joke about vehicles
like
> : this being "----- extenders." If your tool is excessively small, what
> : better than a new Rubicon to make people think that it is on the
contrary
> : quite large?
> :
> : Then there's the Patriot Rubicon. You don't show your love of country
by
> : buying a sports utility vehicle from a German company. That just
doesn't
> : make sense to me. If you want to be a "Patriot" you enlist in the armed
> : forces go to Iraq and get your head blown off, or if you are too old for
> : that you volunteer at your local VA hospital, EMS services, public
school,
> : fire department, or whatever. Hell, you could even demonstrate on the
> : street corner *against* the military policies of the current
> administration
> : and show more patriotism than a "Patriot" owner. At least that shows
that
> : you care. If you buy a vehicle with a flag decal what does that prove?
> : (Well OK, it proves you are a dork, but probably everyone who knows you
> : knows that already.)
> :
> : Earle
> :
> : "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> : news:Cu02b.2974$wz1.27542685@news-text.cableinet.net...
> : > I really don't understand the anti-Rubicon sentiments. The newsgroup
has
> : > been collectively bitching about improvements that should been made to
> the
> : > TJ, and when DC does do something about it, slag the vehicle off
because
> : > some ******** buy it and even dare to go offroad in it !! Meanwhile,
> back
> : at
> : > the ranch, we are saving up to buy the transfer case, lockers and D44
> : front
> : > axle. Is there some sort of unwritten "you have to earn these things"
> rule
> : > that is biting?
> : >
> : > Dave Milne, Scotland
> : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
> : >
> : > "Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
> : > news:vkg5up9p9iqaf5@corp.supernews.com...
> : > : Most veteran Jeepers I know are running custom coil over 4 links
with
> : 37's
> : > : or 38's. Not sure they did that 25 years ago, hmmmm......
> : > :
> : > : You are absolutely right, the Rubicon shows that SOME people at DC
> : > : understand what the whole thing is all about. However, it's likely
> the
> : > next
> : > : Grand C. will be independent front and the Liberty, well....how the
> Hell
> : > did
> : > : THAT happen?
> : >
> : >
> :
> :
> :
>
>
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Tomb Raider Rubicon
"Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
news:N072b.3328$Iq4.30295252@news-text.cableinet.net...
> We are all weekend warriors, some more serious than others. Can
> you do offroading professionally ? Suspect it might be a bit boring
> every day.
I don't know about that but I can tell you that skiing every day is boring.
It's too bad too, because it's still fun. Sometimes I wish I had one of
those personalities that allows one to race, or ski, or fish every day, all
day. Then again I have talked to people like this and strangely they are no
fun to be with.
>
> As for picking on Rubicon owners because of the way they react, you
> pick on anyone who will react - the Rubicon bit has nothing to do with it
!
I consider it a public service.
Earle
>
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
>
> "Earle Horton" <enfermero_diabolico@registerednurses.com> wrote in message
> news:biakm2$7b9e9$1@ID-147790.news.uni-berlin.de...
> : I am not saving up to buy a transfer case, lockers, and D44, although I
> : would like it if Auburn Gear got their ---- together and completed the
D35
> : limited slip they have supposedly been working on for years. In my
> opinion
> : the stock base model Wranglers are more than adequate for the uses that
> 99%
> : of purchasers put them to. They are great for cruising college campuses
> in
> : search of coeds, camping, and light to moderate off roading. In fact
they
> : are serious over kill for most people. Cinnamon Pass near where I live
is
> a
> : "moderate" off road trail and was first traversed in a Model T Ford, a
two
> : wheel drive vehicle. I myself have driven a Honda Civic under water.
You
> : don't need a Rubicon to have fun, to get away from it all, or even to do
> : some serious exploration in places that most people wouldn't dream of
> going.
> :
> : I like to pick on the Rubicon owners because of the way they react.
Some
> of
> : them even have "issues" where they bought the vehicle to prove something
> to
> : an uncle. That's no reason to buy a vehicle! I suspect that many
people
> : who buy the Rubicon are weekend warriors who want to have something that
> the
> : other wage slaves can admire in the company parking lot. There is
nothing
> : to admire about owning a Rubicon, or a Corvette with "RARE454" for the
> : license plate (Christ!) or a Lotus or Hummer or any of the other
vehicles
> I
> : saw parked at the Microsoft parking lot every day and sometimes on
> weekends.
> : I worked with people like this long enough to find out that most of them
> : buy that expensive vehicle because they have no other way to get respect
> : from their fellow human beings. One of the developers in advanced
systems
> : (who drove an old Honda Civic by the way) used to joke about vehicles
like
> : this being "----- extenders." If your tool is excessively small, what
> : better than a new Rubicon to make people think that it is on the
contrary
> : quite large?
> :
> : Then there's the Patriot Rubicon. You don't show your love of country
by
> : buying a sports utility vehicle from a German company. That just
doesn't
> : make sense to me. If you want to be a "Patriot" you enlist in the armed
> : forces go to Iraq and get your head blown off, or if you are too old for
> : that you volunteer at your local VA hospital, EMS services, public
school,
> : fire department, or whatever. Hell, you could even demonstrate on the
> : street corner *against* the military policies of the current
> administration
> : and show more patriotism than a "Patriot" owner. At least that shows
that
> : you care. If you buy a vehicle with a flag decal what does that prove?
> : (Well OK, it proves you are a dork, but probably everyone who knows you
> : knows that already.)
> :
> : Earle
> :
> : "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> : news:Cu02b.2974$wz1.27542685@news-text.cableinet.net...
> : > I really don't understand the anti-Rubicon sentiments. The newsgroup
has
> : > been collectively bitching about improvements that should been made to
> the
> : > TJ, and when DC does do something about it, slag the vehicle off
because
> : > some ******** buy it and even dare to go offroad in it !! Meanwhile,
> back
> : at
> : > the ranch, we are saving up to buy the transfer case, lockers and D44
> : front
> : > axle. Is there some sort of unwritten "you have to earn these things"
> rule
> : > that is biting?
> : >
> : > Dave Milne, Scotland
> : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
> : >
> : > "Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
> : > news:vkg5up9p9iqaf5@corp.supernews.com...
> : > : Most veteran Jeepers I know are running custom coil over 4 links
with
> : 37's
> : > : or 38's. Not sure they did that 25 years ago, hmmmm......
> : > :
> : > : You are absolutely right, the Rubicon shows that SOME people at DC
> : > : understand what the whole thing is all about. However, it's likely
> the
> : > next
> : > : Grand C. will be independent front and the Liberty, well....how the
> Hell
> : > did
> : > : THAT happen?
> : >
> : >
> :
> :
> :
>
>
news:N072b.3328$Iq4.30295252@news-text.cableinet.net...
> We are all weekend warriors, some more serious than others. Can
> you do offroading professionally ? Suspect it might be a bit boring
> every day.
I don't know about that but I can tell you that skiing every day is boring.
It's too bad too, because it's still fun. Sometimes I wish I had one of
those personalities that allows one to race, or ski, or fish every day, all
day. Then again I have talked to people like this and strangely they are no
fun to be with.
>
> As for picking on Rubicon owners because of the way they react, you
> pick on anyone who will react - the Rubicon bit has nothing to do with it
!
I consider it a public service.
Earle
>
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
>
> "Earle Horton" <enfermero_diabolico@registerednurses.com> wrote in message
> news:biakm2$7b9e9$1@ID-147790.news.uni-berlin.de...
> : I am not saving up to buy a transfer case, lockers, and D44, although I
> : would like it if Auburn Gear got their ---- together and completed the
D35
> : limited slip they have supposedly been working on for years. In my
> opinion
> : the stock base model Wranglers are more than adequate for the uses that
> 99%
> : of purchasers put them to. They are great for cruising college campuses
> in
> : search of coeds, camping, and light to moderate off roading. In fact
they
> : are serious over kill for most people. Cinnamon Pass near where I live
is
> a
> : "moderate" off road trail and was first traversed in a Model T Ford, a
two
> : wheel drive vehicle. I myself have driven a Honda Civic under water.
You
> : don't need a Rubicon to have fun, to get away from it all, or even to do
> : some serious exploration in places that most people wouldn't dream of
> going.
> :
> : I like to pick on the Rubicon owners because of the way they react.
Some
> of
> : them even have "issues" where they bought the vehicle to prove something
> to
> : an uncle. That's no reason to buy a vehicle! I suspect that many
people
> : who buy the Rubicon are weekend warriors who want to have something that
> the
> : other wage slaves can admire in the company parking lot. There is
nothing
> : to admire about owning a Rubicon, or a Corvette with "RARE454" for the
> : license plate (Christ!) or a Lotus or Hummer or any of the other
vehicles
> I
> : saw parked at the Microsoft parking lot every day and sometimes on
> weekends.
> : I worked with people like this long enough to find out that most of them
> : buy that expensive vehicle because they have no other way to get respect
> : from their fellow human beings. One of the developers in advanced
systems
> : (who drove an old Honda Civic by the way) used to joke about vehicles
like
> : this being "----- extenders." If your tool is excessively small, what
> : better than a new Rubicon to make people think that it is on the
contrary
> : quite large?
> :
> : Then there's the Patriot Rubicon. You don't show your love of country
by
> : buying a sports utility vehicle from a German company. That just
doesn't
> : make sense to me. If you want to be a "Patriot" you enlist in the armed
> : forces go to Iraq and get your head blown off, or if you are too old for
> : that you volunteer at your local VA hospital, EMS services, public
school,
> : fire department, or whatever. Hell, you could even demonstrate on the
> : street corner *against* the military policies of the current
> administration
> : and show more patriotism than a "Patriot" owner. At least that shows
that
> : you care. If you buy a vehicle with a flag decal what does that prove?
> : (Well OK, it proves you are a dork, but probably everyone who knows you
> : knows that already.)
> :
> : Earle
> :
> : "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
> : news:Cu02b.2974$wz1.27542685@news-text.cableinet.net...
> : > I really don't understand the anti-Rubicon sentiments. The newsgroup
has
> : > been collectively bitching about improvements that should been made to
> the
> : > TJ, and when DC does do something about it, slag the vehicle off
because
> : > some ******** buy it and even dare to go offroad in it !! Meanwhile,
> back
> : at
> : > the ranch, we are saving up to buy the transfer case, lockers and D44
> : front
> : > axle. Is there some sort of unwritten "you have to earn these things"
> rule
> : > that is biting?
> : >
> : > Dave Milne, Scotland
> : > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
> : >
> : > "Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
> : > news:vkg5up9p9iqaf5@corp.supernews.com...
> : > : Most veteran Jeepers I know are running custom coil over 4 links
with
> : 37's
> : > : or 38's. Not sure they did that 25 years ago, hmmmm......
> : > :
> : > : You are absolutely right, the Rubicon shows that SOME people at DC
> : > : understand what the whole thing is all about. However, it's likely
> the
> : > next
> : > : Grand C. will be independent front and the Liberty, well....how the
> Hell
> : > did
> : > : THAT happen?
> : >
> : >
> :
> :
> :
>
>
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Tomb Raider Rubicon
We are all weekend warriors, some more serious than others. Can you do
offroading professionally ? Suspect it might be a bit boring every day.
As for picking on Rubicon owners because of the way they react, you pick on
anyone who will react - the Rubicon bit has nothing to do with it !
Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
"Earle Horton" <enfermero_diabolico@registerednurses.com> wrote in message
news:biakm2$7b9e9$1@ID-147790.news.uni-berlin.de...
: I am not saving up to buy a transfer case, lockers, and D44, although I
: would like it if Auburn Gear got their ---- together and completed the D35
: limited slip they have supposedly been working on for years. In my
opinion
: the stock base model Wranglers are more than adequate for the uses that
99%
: of purchasers put them to. They are great for cruising college campuses
in
: search of coeds, camping, and light to moderate off roading. In fact they
: are serious over kill for most people. Cinnamon Pass near where I live is
a
: "moderate" off road trail and was first traversed in a Model T Ford, a two
: wheel drive vehicle. I myself have driven a Honda Civic under water. You
: don't need a Rubicon to have fun, to get away from it all, or even to do
: some serious exploration in places that most people wouldn't dream of
going.
:
: I like to pick on the Rubicon owners because of the way they react. Some
of
: them even have "issues" where they bought the vehicle to prove something
to
: an uncle. That's no reason to buy a vehicle! I suspect that many people
: who buy the Rubicon are weekend warriors who want to have something that
the
: other wage slaves can admire in the company parking lot. There is nothing
: to admire about owning a Rubicon, or a Corvette with "RARE454" for the
: license plate (Christ!) or a Lotus or Hummer or any of the other vehicles
I
: saw parked at the Microsoft parking lot every day and sometimes on
weekends.
: I worked with people like this long enough to find out that most of them
: buy that expensive vehicle because they have no other way to get respect
: from their fellow human beings. One of the developers in advanced systems
: (who drove an old Honda Civic by the way) used to joke about vehicles like
: this being "----- extenders." If your tool is excessively small, what
: better than a new Rubicon to make people think that it is on the contrary
: quite large?
:
: Then there's the Patriot Rubicon. You don't show your love of country by
: buying a sports utility vehicle from a German company. That just doesn't
: make sense to me. If you want to be a "Patriot" you enlist in the armed
: forces go to Iraq and get your head blown off, or if you are too old for
: that you volunteer at your local VA hospital, EMS services, public school,
: fire department, or whatever. Hell, you could even demonstrate on the
: street corner *against* the military policies of the current
administration
: and show more patriotism than a "Patriot" owner. At least that shows that
: you care. If you buy a vehicle with a flag decal what does that prove?
: (Well OK, it proves you are a dork, but probably everyone who knows you
: knows that already.)
:
: Earle
:
: "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
: news:Cu02b.2974$wz1.27542685@news-text.cableinet.net...
: > I really don't understand the anti-Rubicon sentiments. The newsgroup has
: > been collectively bitching about improvements that should been made to
the
: > TJ, and when DC does do something about it, slag the vehicle off because
: > some ******** buy it and even dare to go offroad in it !! Meanwhile,
back
: at
: > the ranch, we are saving up to buy the transfer case, lockers and D44
: front
: > axle. Is there some sort of unwritten "you have to earn these things"
rule
: > that is biting?
: >
: > Dave Milne, Scotland
: > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
: >
: > "Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
: > news:vkg5up9p9iqaf5@corp.supernews.com...
: > : Most veteran Jeepers I know are running custom coil over 4 links with
: 37's
: > : or 38's. Not sure they did that 25 years ago, hmmmm......
: > :
: > : You are absolutely right, the Rubicon shows that SOME people at DC
: > : understand what the whole thing is all about. However, it's likely
the
: > next
: > : Grand C. will be independent front and the Liberty, well....how the
Hell
: > did
: > : THAT happen?
: >
: >
:
:
:
offroading professionally ? Suspect it might be a bit boring every day.
As for picking on Rubicon owners because of the way they react, you pick on
anyone who will react - the Rubicon bit has nothing to do with it !
Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
"Earle Horton" <enfermero_diabolico@registerednurses.com> wrote in message
news:biakm2$7b9e9$1@ID-147790.news.uni-berlin.de...
: I am not saving up to buy a transfer case, lockers, and D44, although I
: would like it if Auburn Gear got their ---- together and completed the D35
: limited slip they have supposedly been working on for years. In my
opinion
: the stock base model Wranglers are more than adequate for the uses that
99%
: of purchasers put them to. They are great for cruising college campuses
in
: search of coeds, camping, and light to moderate off roading. In fact they
: are serious over kill for most people. Cinnamon Pass near where I live is
a
: "moderate" off road trail and was first traversed in a Model T Ford, a two
: wheel drive vehicle. I myself have driven a Honda Civic under water. You
: don't need a Rubicon to have fun, to get away from it all, or even to do
: some serious exploration in places that most people wouldn't dream of
going.
:
: I like to pick on the Rubicon owners because of the way they react. Some
of
: them even have "issues" where they bought the vehicle to prove something
to
: an uncle. That's no reason to buy a vehicle! I suspect that many people
: who buy the Rubicon are weekend warriors who want to have something that
the
: other wage slaves can admire in the company parking lot. There is nothing
: to admire about owning a Rubicon, or a Corvette with "RARE454" for the
: license plate (Christ!) or a Lotus or Hummer or any of the other vehicles
I
: saw parked at the Microsoft parking lot every day and sometimes on
weekends.
: I worked with people like this long enough to find out that most of them
: buy that expensive vehicle because they have no other way to get respect
: from their fellow human beings. One of the developers in advanced systems
: (who drove an old Honda Civic by the way) used to joke about vehicles like
: this being "----- extenders." If your tool is excessively small, what
: better than a new Rubicon to make people think that it is on the contrary
: quite large?
:
: Then there's the Patriot Rubicon. You don't show your love of country by
: buying a sports utility vehicle from a German company. That just doesn't
: make sense to me. If you want to be a "Patriot" you enlist in the armed
: forces go to Iraq and get your head blown off, or if you are too old for
: that you volunteer at your local VA hospital, EMS services, public school,
: fire department, or whatever. Hell, you could even demonstrate on the
: street corner *against* the military policies of the current
administration
: and show more patriotism than a "Patriot" owner. At least that shows that
: you care. If you buy a vehicle with a flag decal what does that prove?
: (Well OK, it proves you are a dork, but probably everyone who knows you
: knows that already.)
:
: Earle
:
: "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
: news:Cu02b.2974$wz1.27542685@news-text.cableinet.net...
: > I really don't understand the anti-Rubicon sentiments. The newsgroup has
: > been collectively bitching about improvements that should been made to
the
: > TJ, and when DC does do something about it, slag the vehicle off because
: > some ******** buy it and even dare to go offroad in it !! Meanwhile,
back
: at
: > the ranch, we are saving up to buy the transfer case, lockers and D44
: front
: > axle. Is there some sort of unwritten "you have to earn these things"
rule
: > that is biting?
: >
: > Dave Milne, Scotland
: > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
: >
: > "Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
: > news:vkg5up9p9iqaf5@corp.supernews.com...
: > : Most veteran Jeepers I know are running custom coil over 4 links with
: 37's
: > : or 38's. Not sure they did that 25 years ago, hmmmm......
: > :
: > : You are absolutely right, the Rubicon shows that SOME people at DC
: > : understand what the whole thing is all about. However, it's likely
the
: > next
: > : Grand C. will be independent front and the Liberty, well....how the
Hell
: > did
: > : THAT happen?
: >
: >
:
:
:
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Tomb Raider Rubicon
We are all weekend warriors, some more serious than others. Can you do
offroading professionally ? Suspect it might be a bit boring every day.
As for picking on Rubicon owners because of the way they react, you pick on
anyone who will react - the Rubicon bit has nothing to do with it !
Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
"Earle Horton" <enfermero_diabolico@registerednurses.com> wrote in message
news:biakm2$7b9e9$1@ID-147790.news.uni-berlin.de...
: I am not saving up to buy a transfer case, lockers, and D44, although I
: would like it if Auburn Gear got their ---- together and completed the D35
: limited slip they have supposedly been working on for years. In my
opinion
: the stock base model Wranglers are more than adequate for the uses that
99%
: of purchasers put them to. They are great for cruising college campuses
in
: search of coeds, camping, and light to moderate off roading. In fact they
: are serious over kill for most people. Cinnamon Pass near where I live is
a
: "moderate" off road trail and was first traversed in a Model T Ford, a two
: wheel drive vehicle. I myself have driven a Honda Civic under water. You
: don't need a Rubicon to have fun, to get away from it all, or even to do
: some serious exploration in places that most people wouldn't dream of
going.
:
: I like to pick on the Rubicon owners because of the way they react. Some
of
: them even have "issues" where they bought the vehicle to prove something
to
: an uncle. That's no reason to buy a vehicle! I suspect that many people
: who buy the Rubicon are weekend warriors who want to have something that
the
: other wage slaves can admire in the company parking lot. There is nothing
: to admire about owning a Rubicon, or a Corvette with "RARE454" for the
: license plate (Christ!) or a Lotus or Hummer or any of the other vehicles
I
: saw parked at the Microsoft parking lot every day and sometimes on
weekends.
: I worked with people like this long enough to find out that most of them
: buy that expensive vehicle because they have no other way to get respect
: from their fellow human beings. One of the developers in advanced systems
: (who drove an old Honda Civic by the way) used to joke about vehicles like
: this being "----- extenders." If your tool is excessively small, what
: better than a new Rubicon to make people think that it is on the contrary
: quite large?
:
: Then there's the Patriot Rubicon. You don't show your love of country by
: buying a sports utility vehicle from a German company. That just doesn't
: make sense to me. If you want to be a "Patriot" you enlist in the armed
: forces go to Iraq and get your head blown off, or if you are too old for
: that you volunteer at your local VA hospital, EMS services, public school,
: fire department, or whatever. Hell, you could even demonstrate on the
: street corner *against* the military policies of the current
administration
: and show more patriotism than a "Patriot" owner. At least that shows that
: you care. If you buy a vehicle with a flag decal what does that prove?
: (Well OK, it proves you are a dork, but probably everyone who knows you
: knows that already.)
:
: Earle
:
: "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
: news:Cu02b.2974$wz1.27542685@news-text.cableinet.net...
: > I really don't understand the anti-Rubicon sentiments. The newsgroup has
: > been collectively bitching about improvements that should been made to
the
: > TJ, and when DC does do something about it, slag the vehicle off because
: > some ******** buy it and even dare to go offroad in it !! Meanwhile,
back
: at
: > the ranch, we are saving up to buy the transfer case, lockers and D44
: front
: > axle. Is there some sort of unwritten "you have to earn these things"
rule
: > that is biting?
: >
: > Dave Milne, Scotland
: > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
: >
: > "Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
: > news:vkg5up9p9iqaf5@corp.supernews.com...
: > : Most veteran Jeepers I know are running custom coil over 4 links with
: 37's
: > : or 38's. Not sure they did that 25 years ago, hmmmm......
: > :
: > : You are absolutely right, the Rubicon shows that SOME people at DC
: > : understand what the whole thing is all about. However, it's likely
the
: > next
: > : Grand C. will be independent front and the Liberty, well....how the
Hell
: > did
: > : THAT happen?
: >
: >
:
:
:
offroading professionally ? Suspect it might be a bit boring every day.
As for picking on Rubicon owners because of the way they react, you pick on
anyone who will react - the Rubicon bit has nothing to do with it !
Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
"Earle Horton" <enfermero_diabolico@registerednurses.com> wrote in message
news:biakm2$7b9e9$1@ID-147790.news.uni-berlin.de...
: I am not saving up to buy a transfer case, lockers, and D44, although I
: would like it if Auburn Gear got their ---- together and completed the D35
: limited slip they have supposedly been working on for years. In my
opinion
: the stock base model Wranglers are more than adequate for the uses that
99%
: of purchasers put them to. They are great for cruising college campuses
in
: search of coeds, camping, and light to moderate off roading. In fact they
: are serious over kill for most people. Cinnamon Pass near where I live is
a
: "moderate" off road trail and was first traversed in a Model T Ford, a two
: wheel drive vehicle. I myself have driven a Honda Civic under water. You
: don't need a Rubicon to have fun, to get away from it all, or even to do
: some serious exploration in places that most people wouldn't dream of
going.
:
: I like to pick on the Rubicon owners because of the way they react. Some
of
: them even have "issues" where they bought the vehicle to prove something
to
: an uncle. That's no reason to buy a vehicle! I suspect that many people
: who buy the Rubicon are weekend warriors who want to have something that
the
: other wage slaves can admire in the company parking lot. There is nothing
: to admire about owning a Rubicon, or a Corvette with "RARE454" for the
: license plate (Christ!) or a Lotus or Hummer or any of the other vehicles
I
: saw parked at the Microsoft parking lot every day and sometimes on
weekends.
: I worked with people like this long enough to find out that most of them
: buy that expensive vehicle because they have no other way to get respect
: from their fellow human beings. One of the developers in advanced systems
: (who drove an old Honda Civic by the way) used to joke about vehicles like
: this being "----- extenders." If your tool is excessively small, what
: better than a new Rubicon to make people think that it is on the contrary
: quite large?
:
: Then there's the Patriot Rubicon. You don't show your love of country by
: buying a sports utility vehicle from a German company. That just doesn't
: make sense to me. If you want to be a "Patriot" you enlist in the armed
: forces go to Iraq and get your head blown off, or if you are too old for
: that you volunteer at your local VA hospital, EMS services, public school,
: fire department, or whatever. Hell, you could even demonstrate on the
: street corner *against* the military policies of the current
administration
: and show more patriotism than a "Patriot" owner. At least that shows that
: you care. If you buy a vehicle with a flag decal what does that prove?
: (Well OK, it proves you are a dork, but probably everyone who knows you
: knows that already.)
:
: Earle
:
: "Dave Milne" <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote in message
: news:Cu02b.2974$wz1.27542685@news-text.cableinet.net...
: > I really don't understand the anti-Rubicon sentiments. The newsgroup has
: > been collectively bitching about improvements that should been made to
the
: > TJ, and when DC does do something about it, slag the vehicle off because
: > some ******** buy it and even dare to go offroad in it !! Meanwhile,
back
: at
: > the ranch, we are saving up to buy the transfer case, lockers and D44
: front
: > axle. Is there some sort of unwritten "you have to earn these things"
rule
: > that is biting?
: >
: > Dave Milne, Scotland
: > '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
: >
: > "Gerald G. McGeorge" <gmcgeorge@frontier.net> wrote in message
: > news:vkg5up9p9iqaf5@corp.supernews.com...
: > : Most veteran Jeepers I know are running custom coil over 4 links with
: 37's
: > : or 38's. Not sure they did that 25 years ago, hmmmm......
: > :
: > : You are absolutely right, the Rubicon shows that SOME people at DC
: > : understand what the whole thing is all about. However, it's likely
the
: > next
: > : Grand C. will be independent front and the Liberty, well....how the
Hell
: > did
: > : THAT happen?
: >
: >
:
:
:
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Tomb Raider Rubicon
Just think of Earle as our resident troll with a human side, somewhere
deep down. Like Bill, without the technical side. :)
Dave Milne wrote:
> We are all weekend warriors, some more serious than others. Can you do
> offroading professionally ? Suspect it might be a bit boring every day.
>
> As for picking on Rubicon owners because of the way they react, you pick on
> anyone who will react - the Rubicon bit has nothing to do with it !
>
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
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deep down. Like Bill, without the technical side. :)
Dave Milne wrote:
> We are all weekend warriors, some more serious than others. Can you do
> offroading professionally ? Suspect it might be a bit boring every day.
>
> As for picking on Rubicon owners because of the way they react, you pick on
> anyone who will react - the Rubicon bit has nothing to do with it !
>
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '99 TJ 4.0 Sahara
--
__________________________________________________ _________
tw
03 TJ Rubicon
01 XJ Sport
There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-- Dave Barry
http://www.7slotgrille.com/jeepers/t...ron/index.html
(Please remove the OBVIOUS to reply by email)
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