The Merg

Is Perl Lite anything like Natural Light? Being a poor college student
for most of the last 4-5 years, I've had enough Natty Light to know it's
pretty much carbonated water with alcohol in it.

DougW wrote:
> Earle Horton wrote:
>> After posting that, I began to wonder if beer would clean carbon any
>> better than water does.
>
> Perl lite, it's about as close to water as you can get.
>

The Merg

Is Perl Lite anything like Natural Light? Being a poor college student
for most of the last 4-5 years, I've had enough Natty Light to know it's
pretty much carbonated water with alcohol in it.

DougW wrote:
> Earle Horton wrote:
>> After posting that, I began to wonder if beer would clean carbon any
>> better than water does.
>
> Perl lite, it's about as close to water as you can get.
>

Earle Horton

After posting that, I began to wonder if beer would clean carbon any better
than water does.

Earle

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:45f861c7$0$4892$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshostin g.com...
> What do you mean 'used to'????
> ;-)
>
> Mike
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
> > They used to use beer for hangover remedy too.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:45f85eba$0$3958$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshostin g.com...
> >> I only know what works for sure from experience,
> >>
> >> I haven't tried water yet.
> >>
> >> I learned this back in the 70's and 80's from mechanics that used ATF
to
> >> decarbon 'city driven' V8's as part of a major tune up or for run on
> >> like the OP has.
> >>
> >> They also used this treatment before a valve job or head gasket
replace,
> >> which I have done now many times. They turn out clean as new with ATF.
> >> On my my last headgasket job I used it, but didn't drive it after
> >> before pulling it apart and got photos of some 1/16" slabs of carbon
> >> still left loose inside.
> >>
> >> It was used in every garage I ever worked in which was a few over the
> >> years. I never saw water used.
> >>
> >> I do know how water will shock clean hot metal though. I use it on
> >> dirty wood stoves and cast iron fry pans with burned on stuff or on
pans
> >> to de-glaze the stuck stuff for gravy or sauce.
> >>
> >> Mike
> >>
> >> Jerry Bransford wrote:
> >>> Mike, I've never understood why some always recommend ATF which costs
> >>> money over water which does not cost money. Water works just fine, I
> >>> know of no benefit whatsoever to using ATF over water.
> >>>
> >>> Do you know of some benefit that ATF provides over water when used for
> >>>
> >>> this purpose?
> >>>
> >>> Mike Romain wrote:
> >>>> No you need a steady slow stream of 'water' to shock the carbon off.
> >>>>
> >>>> I have had excellent results using a pint of ATF instead of water to
> >>> do
> >>>> this. The ATF makes a massive cloud of smoke though. I have heard
> >>> from
> >>>> enough people about the water instead that I will use that next time
> >>> and
> >>>> see how it goes.
> >>>>
> >>>> Mike
> >>>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >>>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >>>> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> >>>> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> >>>> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >>>>
> >>>> Steve Foley wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Would a spray-bottle work better than pouring it in? I have one I
> >>> use to
> >>>> check for bad plug wires. Mist under the hood at night and look for
> >>> the
> >>>> light-show.
> >>>>
> >>>> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
> >>>> news:juwdg.1012$sP1.459@fed1read07...
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> The cure, if this is the problem and it sounds like it is, is to get
> >>> rid
> >>>> of the carbon build-up. The easiest way to do this is to slowly
> >>> (!!)
> >>>> feed 12-16 ounces of plain water into the air intake as the engine
> >>> is
> >>>> running, keeping the RPMs up slightly. NO, this will NOT cause
> >>>> hydrolock providing you feed the water in slowly and in a controlled
> >>>> manner over a minute to two minutes. Just slowly trickle it and
> >>>> maintain control over the water so you don't dump it in too quickly
> >>> by
> >>>> accident.
> >>>>
> >
> >

Earle Horton

After posting that, I began to wonder if beer would clean carbon any better
than water does.

Earle

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:45f861c7$0$4892$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshostin g.com...
> What do you mean 'used to'????
> ;-)
>
> Mike
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
> > They used to use beer for hangover remedy too.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:45f85eba$0$3958$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshostin g.com...
> >> I only know what works for sure from experience,
> >>
> >> I haven't tried water yet.
> >>
> >> I learned this back in the 70's and 80's from mechanics that used ATF
to
> >> decarbon 'city driven' V8's as part of a major tune up or for run on
> >> like the OP has.
> >>
> >> They also used this treatment before a valve job or head gasket
replace,
> >> which I have done now many times. They turn out clean as new with ATF.
> >> On my my last headgasket job I used it, but didn't drive it after
> >> before pulling it apart and got photos of some 1/16" slabs of carbon
> >> still left loose inside.
> >>
> >> It was used in every garage I ever worked in which was a few over the
> >> years. I never saw water used.
> >>
> >> I do know how water will shock clean hot metal though. I use it on
> >> dirty wood stoves and cast iron fry pans with burned on stuff or on
pans
> >> to de-glaze the stuck stuff for gravy or sauce.
> >>
> >> Mike
> >>
> >> Jerry Bransford wrote:
> >>> Mike, I've never understood why some always recommend ATF which costs
> >>> money over water which does not cost money. Water works just fine, I
> >>> know of no benefit whatsoever to using ATF over water.
> >>>
> >>> Do you know of some benefit that ATF provides over water when used for
> >>>
> >>> this purpose?
> >>>
> >>> Mike Romain wrote:
> >>>> No you need a steady slow stream of 'water' to shock the carbon off.
> >>>>
> >>>> I have had excellent results using a pint of ATF instead of water to
> >>> do
> >>>> this. The ATF makes a massive cloud of smoke though. I have heard
> >>> from
> >>>> enough people about the water instead that I will use that next time
> >>> and
> >>>> see how it goes.
> >>>>
> >>>> Mike
> >>>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >>>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >>>> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> >>>> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> >>>> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >>>>
> >>>> Steve Foley wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Would a spray-bottle work better than pouring it in? I have one I
> >>> use to
> >>>> check for bad plug wires. Mist under the hood at night and look for
> >>> the
> >>>> light-show.
> >>>>
> >>>> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
> >>>> news:juwdg.1012$sP1.459@fed1read07...
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> The cure, if this is the problem and it sounds like it is, is to get
> >>> rid
> >>>> of the carbon build-up. The easiest way to do this is to slowly
> >>> (!!)
> >>>> feed 12-16 ounces of plain water into the air intake as the engine
> >>> is
> >>>> running, keeping the RPMs up slightly. NO, this will NOT cause
> >>>> hydrolock providing you feed the water in slowly and in a controlled
> >>>> manner over a minute to two minutes. Just slowly trickle it and
> >>>> maintain control over the water so you don't dump it in too quickly
> >>> by
> >>>> accident.
> >>>>
> >
> >

Earle Horton

After posting that, I began to wonder if beer would clean carbon any better
than water does.

Earle

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:45f861c7$0$4892$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshostin g.com...
> What do you mean 'used to'????
> ;-)
>
> Mike
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
> > They used to use beer for hangover remedy too.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:45f85eba$0$3958$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshostin g.com...
> >> I only know what works for sure from experience,
> >>
> >> I haven't tried water yet.
> >>
> >> I learned this back in the 70's and 80's from mechanics that used ATF
to
> >> decarbon 'city driven' V8's as part of a major tune up or for run on
> >> like the OP has.
> >>
> >> They also used this treatment before a valve job or head gasket
replace,
> >> which I have done now many times. They turn out clean as new with ATF.
> >> On my my last headgasket job I used it, but didn't drive it after
> >> before pulling it apart and got photos of some 1/16" slabs of carbon
> >> still left loose inside.
> >>
> >> It was used in every garage I ever worked in which was a few over the
> >> years. I never saw water used.
> >>
> >> I do know how water will shock clean hot metal though. I use it on
> >> dirty wood stoves and cast iron fry pans with burned on stuff or on
pans
> >> to de-glaze the stuck stuff for gravy or sauce.
> >>
> >> Mike
> >>
> >> Jerry Bransford wrote:
> >>> Mike, I've never understood why some always recommend ATF which costs
> >>> money over water which does not cost money. Water works just fine, I
> >>> know of no benefit whatsoever to using ATF over water.
> >>>
> >>> Do you know of some benefit that ATF provides over water when used for
> >>>
> >>> this purpose?
> >>>
> >>> Mike Romain wrote:
> >>>> No you need a steady slow stream of 'water' to shock the carbon off.
> >>>>
> >>>> I have had excellent results using a pint of ATF instead of water to
> >>> do
> >>>> this. The ATF makes a massive cloud of smoke though. I have heard
> >>> from
> >>>> enough people about the water instead that I will use that next time
> >>> and
> >>>> see how it goes.
> >>>>
> >>>> Mike
> >>>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >>>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >>>> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> >>>> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> >>>> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >>>>
> >>>> Steve Foley wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Would a spray-bottle work better than pouring it in? I have one I
> >>> use to
> >>>> check for bad plug wires. Mist under the hood at night and look for
> >>> the
> >>>> light-show.
> >>>>
> >>>> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
> >>>> news:juwdg.1012$sP1.459@fed1read07...
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> The cure, if this is the problem and it sounds like it is, is to get
> >>> rid
> >>>> of the carbon build-up. The easiest way to do this is to slowly
> >>> (!!)
> >>>> feed 12-16 ounces of plain water into the air intake as the engine
> >>> is
> >>>> running, keeping the RPMs up slightly. NO, this will NOT cause
> >>>> hydrolock providing you feed the water in slowly and in a controlled
> >>>> manner over a minute to two minutes. Just slowly trickle it and
> >>>> maintain control over the water so you don't dump it in too quickly
> >>> by
> >>>> accident.
> >>>>
> >
> >

DougW

The Merg wrote:
> Is Perl Lite anything like Natural Light? Being a poor college
> student for most of the last 4-5 years, I've had enough Natty Light
> to know it's pretty much carbonated water with alcohol in it.

That's an accurate description. It costed about as much for a
full case as Bud did for a six-pack. I called it rubbing alcohol
with fizz.

> DougW wrote:
>> Earle Horton wrote:
>>> After posting that, I began to wonder if beer would clean carbon any
>>> better than water does.
>>
>> Perl lite, it's about as close to water as you can get.

DougW

The Merg wrote:
> Is Perl Lite anything like Natural Light? Being a poor college
> student for most of the last 4-5 years, I've had enough Natty Light
> to know it's pretty much carbonated water with alcohol in it.

That's an accurate description. It costed about as much for a
full case as Bud did for a six-pack. I called it rubbing alcohol
with fizz.

> DougW wrote:
>> Earle Horton wrote:
>>> After posting that, I began to wonder if beer would clean carbon any
>>> better than water does.
>>
>> Perl lite, it's about as close to water as you can get.

DougW

The Merg wrote:
> Is Perl Lite anything like Natural Light? Being a poor college
> student for most of the last 4-5 years, I've had enough Natty Light
> to know it's pretty much carbonated water with alcohol in it.

That's an accurate description. It costed about as much for a
full case as Bud did for a six-pack. I called it rubbing alcohol
with fizz.

> DougW wrote:
>> Earle Horton wrote:
>>> After posting that, I began to wonder if beer would clean carbon any
>>> better than water does.
>>
>> Perl lite, it's about as close to water as you can get.