Re: '86 CJ7 Shaking after ignition is turned off
03-14-2007, 05:51 PM
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Re: '86 CJ7 Shaking after ignition is turned off
They used to use beer for hangover remedy too.
Earle
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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> I only know what works for sure from experience,
>
> I haven't tried water yet.
>
> I learned this back in the 70's and 80's from mechanics that used ATF to
> decarbon 'city driven' V8's as part of a major tune up or for run on
> like the OP has.
>
> They also used this treatment before a valve job or head gasket replace,
> which I have done now many times. They turn out clean as new with ATF.
> On my my last headgasket job I used it, but didn't drive it after
> before pulling it apart and got photos of some 1/16" slabs of carbon
> still left loose inside.
>
> It was used in every garage I ever worked in which was a few over the
> years. I never saw water used.
>
> I do know how water will shock clean hot metal though. I use it on
> dirty wood stoves and cast iron fry pans with burned on stuff or on pans
> to de-glaze the stuck stuff for gravy or sauce.
>
> Mike
>
> Jerry Bransford wrote:
> > Mike, I've never understood why some always recommend ATF which costs
> > money over water which does not cost money. Water works just fine, I
> > know of no benefit whatsoever to using ATF over water.
> >
> > Do you know of some benefit that ATF provides over water when used for
> >
> > this purpose?
> >
> > Mike Romain wrote:
> >> No you need a steady slow stream of 'water' to shock the carbon off.
> >>
> >> I have had excellent results using a pint of ATF instead of water to
> > do
> >> this. The ATF makes a massive cloud of smoke though. I have heard
> > from
> >> enough people about the water instead that I will use that next time
> > and
> >> see how it goes.
> >>
> >> Mike
> >> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> >> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> >> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >>
> >> Steve Foley wrote:
> >>
> >> Would a spray-bottle work better than pouring it in? I have one I
> > use to
> >> check for bad plug wires. Mist under the hood at night and look for
> > the
> >> light-show.
> >>
> >> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
> >> news:juwdg.1012$sP1.459@fed1read07...
> >>
> >>
> >> The cure, if this is the problem and it sounds like it is, is to get
> > rid
> >> of the carbon build-up. The easiest way to do this is to slowly
> > (!!)
> >> feed 12-16 ounces of plain water into the air intake as the engine
> > is
> >> running, keeping the RPMs up slightly. NO, this will NOT cause
> >> hydrolock providing you feed the water in slowly and in a controlled
> >> manner over a minute to two minutes. Just slowly trickle it and
> >> maintain control over the water so you don't dump it in too quickly
> > by
> >> accident.
> >>
Earle
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:45f85eba$0$3958$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshostin g.com...
> I only know what works for sure from experience,
>
> I haven't tried water yet.
>
> I learned this back in the 70's and 80's from mechanics that used ATF to
> decarbon 'city driven' V8's as part of a major tune up or for run on
> like the OP has.
>
> They also used this treatment before a valve job or head gasket replace,
> which I have done now many times. They turn out clean as new with ATF.
> On my my last headgasket job I used it, but didn't drive it after
> before pulling it apart and got photos of some 1/16" slabs of carbon
> still left loose inside.
>
> It was used in every garage I ever worked in which was a few over the
> years. I never saw water used.
>
> I do know how water will shock clean hot metal though. I use it on
> dirty wood stoves and cast iron fry pans with burned on stuff or on pans
> to de-glaze the stuck stuff for gravy or sauce.
>
> Mike
>
> Jerry Bransford wrote:
> > Mike, I've never understood why some always recommend ATF which costs
> > money over water which does not cost money. Water works just fine, I
> > know of no benefit whatsoever to using ATF over water.
> >
> > Do you know of some benefit that ATF provides over water when used for
> >
> > this purpose?
> >
> > Mike Romain wrote:
> >> No you need a steady slow stream of 'water' to shock the carbon off.
> >>
> >> I have had excellent results using a pint of ATF instead of water to
> > do
> >> this. The ATF makes a massive cloud of smoke though. I have heard
> > from
> >> enough people about the water instead that I will use that next time
> > and
> >> see how it goes.
> >>
> >> Mike
> >> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> >> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> >> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >>
> >> Steve Foley wrote:
> >>
> >> Would a spray-bottle work better than pouring it in? I have one I
> > use to
> >> check for bad plug wires. Mist under the hood at night and look for
> > the
> >> light-show.
> >>
> >> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
> >> news:juwdg.1012$sP1.459@fed1read07...
> >>
> >>
> >> The cure, if this is the problem and it sounds like it is, is to get
> > rid
> >> of the carbon build-up. The easiest way to do this is to slowly
> > (!!)
> >> feed 12-16 ounces of plain water into the air intake as the engine
> > is
> >> running, keeping the RPMs up slightly. NO, this will NOT cause
> >> hydrolock providing you feed the water in slowly and in a controlled
> >> manner over a minute to two minutes. Just slowly trickle it and
> >> maintain control over the water so you don't dump it in too quickly
> > by
> >> accident.
> >>
03-14-2007, 05:51 PM
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Re: '86 CJ7 Shaking after ignition is turned off
They used to use beer for hangover remedy too.
Earle
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:45f85eba$0$3958$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshostin g.com...
> I only know what works for sure from experience,
>
> I haven't tried water yet.
>
> I learned this back in the 70's and 80's from mechanics that used ATF to
> decarbon 'city driven' V8's as part of a major tune up or for run on
> like the OP has.
>
> They also used this treatment before a valve job or head gasket replace,
> which I have done now many times. They turn out clean as new with ATF.
> On my my last headgasket job I used it, but didn't drive it after
> before pulling it apart and got photos of some 1/16" slabs of carbon
> still left loose inside.
>
> It was used in every garage I ever worked in which was a few over the
> years. I never saw water used.
>
> I do know how water will shock clean hot metal though. I use it on
> dirty wood stoves and cast iron fry pans with burned on stuff or on pans
> to de-glaze the stuck stuff for gravy or sauce.
>
> Mike
>
> Jerry Bransford wrote:
> > Mike, I've never understood why some always recommend ATF which costs
> > money over water which does not cost money. Water works just fine, I
> > know of no benefit whatsoever to using ATF over water.
> >
> > Do you know of some benefit that ATF provides over water when used for
> >
> > this purpose?
> >
> > Mike Romain wrote:
> >> No you need a steady slow stream of 'water' to shock the carbon off.
> >>
> >> I have had excellent results using a pint of ATF instead of water to
> > do
> >> this. The ATF makes a massive cloud of smoke though. I have heard
> > from
> >> enough people about the water instead that I will use that next time
> > and
> >> see how it goes.
> >>
> >> Mike
> >> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> >> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> >> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >>
> >> Steve Foley wrote:
> >>
> >> Would a spray-bottle work better than pouring it in? I have one I
> > use to
> >> check for bad plug wires. Mist under the hood at night and look for
> > the
> >> light-show.
> >>
> >> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
> >> news:juwdg.1012$sP1.459@fed1read07...
> >>
> >>
> >> The cure, if this is the problem and it sounds like it is, is to get
> > rid
> >> of the carbon build-up. The easiest way to do this is to slowly
> > (!!)
> >> feed 12-16 ounces of plain water into the air intake as the engine
> > is
> >> running, keeping the RPMs up slightly. NO, this will NOT cause
> >> hydrolock providing you feed the water in slowly and in a controlled
> >> manner over a minute to two minutes. Just slowly trickle it and
> >> maintain control over the water so you don't dump it in too quickly
> > by
> >> accident.
> >>
Earle
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:45f85eba$0$3958$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshostin g.com...
> I only know what works for sure from experience,
>
> I haven't tried water yet.
>
> I learned this back in the 70's and 80's from mechanics that used ATF to
> decarbon 'city driven' V8's as part of a major tune up or for run on
> like the OP has.
>
> They also used this treatment before a valve job or head gasket replace,
> which I have done now many times. They turn out clean as new with ATF.
> On my my last headgasket job I used it, but didn't drive it after
> before pulling it apart and got photos of some 1/16" slabs of carbon
> still left loose inside.
>
> It was used in every garage I ever worked in which was a few over the
> years. I never saw water used.
>
> I do know how water will shock clean hot metal though. I use it on
> dirty wood stoves and cast iron fry pans with burned on stuff or on pans
> to de-glaze the stuck stuff for gravy or sauce.
>
> Mike
>
> Jerry Bransford wrote:
> > Mike, I've never understood why some always recommend ATF which costs
> > money over water which does not cost money. Water works just fine, I
> > know of no benefit whatsoever to using ATF over water.
> >
> > Do you know of some benefit that ATF provides over water when used for
> >
> > this purpose?
> >
> > Mike Romain wrote:
> >> No you need a steady slow stream of 'water' to shock the carbon off.
> >>
> >> I have had excellent results using a pint of ATF instead of water to
> > do
> >> this. The ATF makes a massive cloud of smoke though. I have heard
> > from
> >> enough people about the water instead that I will use that next time
> > and
> >> see how it goes.
> >>
> >> Mike
> >> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> >> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> >> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >>
> >> Steve Foley wrote:
> >>
> >> Would a spray-bottle work better than pouring it in? I have one I
> > use to
> >> check for bad plug wires. Mist under the hood at night and look for
> > the
> >> light-show.
> >>
> >> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
> >> news:juwdg.1012$sP1.459@fed1read07...
> >>
> >>
> >> The cure, if this is the problem and it sounds like it is, is to get
> > rid
> >> of the carbon build-up. The easiest way to do this is to slowly
> > (!!)
> >> feed 12-16 ounces of plain water into the air intake as the engine
> > is
> >> running, keeping the RPMs up slightly. NO, this will NOT cause
> >> hydrolock providing you feed the water in slowly and in a controlled
> >> manner over a minute to two minutes. Just slowly trickle it and
> >> maintain control over the water so you don't dump it in too quickly
> > by
> >> accident.
> >>
03-14-2007, 05:51 PM
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Re: '86 CJ7 Shaking after ignition is turned off
They used to use beer for hangover remedy too.
Earle
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:45f85eba$0$3958$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshostin g.com...
> I only know what works for sure from experience,
>
> I haven't tried water yet.
>
> I learned this back in the 70's and 80's from mechanics that used ATF to
> decarbon 'city driven' V8's as part of a major tune up or for run on
> like the OP has.
>
> They also used this treatment before a valve job or head gasket replace,
> which I have done now many times. They turn out clean as new with ATF.
> On my my last headgasket job I used it, but didn't drive it after
> before pulling it apart and got photos of some 1/16" slabs of carbon
> still left loose inside.
>
> It was used in every garage I ever worked in which was a few over the
> years. I never saw water used.
>
> I do know how water will shock clean hot metal though. I use it on
> dirty wood stoves and cast iron fry pans with burned on stuff or on pans
> to de-glaze the stuck stuff for gravy or sauce.
>
> Mike
>
> Jerry Bransford wrote:
> > Mike, I've never understood why some always recommend ATF which costs
> > money over water which does not cost money. Water works just fine, I
> > know of no benefit whatsoever to using ATF over water.
> >
> > Do you know of some benefit that ATF provides over water when used for
> >
> > this purpose?
> >
> > Mike Romain wrote:
> >> No you need a steady slow stream of 'water' to shock the carbon off.
> >>
> >> I have had excellent results using a pint of ATF instead of water to
> > do
> >> this. The ATF makes a massive cloud of smoke though. I have heard
> > from
> >> enough people about the water instead that I will use that next time
> > and
> >> see how it goes.
> >>
> >> Mike
> >> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> >> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> >> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >>
> >> Steve Foley wrote:
> >>
> >> Would a spray-bottle work better than pouring it in? I have one I
> > use to
> >> check for bad plug wires. Mist under the hood at night and look for
> > the
> >> light-show.
> >>
> >> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
> >> news:juwdg.1012$sP1.459@fed1read07...
> >>
> >>
> >> The cure, if this is the problem and it sounds like it is, is to get
> > rid
> >> of the carbon build-up. The easiest way to do this is to slowly
> > (!!)
> >> feed 12-16 ounces of plain water into the air intake as the engine
> > is
> >> running, keeping the RPMs up slightly. NO, this will NOT cause
> >> hydrolock providing you feed the water in slowly and in a controlled
> >> manner over a minute to two minutes. Just slowly trickle it and
> >> maintain control over the water so you don't dump it in too quickly
> > by
> >> accident.
> >>
Earle
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:45f85eba$0$3958$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshostin g.com...
> I only know what works for sure from experience,
>
> I haven't tried water yet.
>
> I learned this back in the 70's and 80's from mechanics that used ATF to
> decarbon 'city driven' V8's as part of a major tune up or for run on
> like the OP has.
>
> They also used this treatment before a valve job or head gasket replace,
> which I have done now many times. They turn out clean as new with ATF.
> On my my last headgasket job I used it, but didn't drive it after
> before pulling it apart and got photos of some 1/16" slabs of carbon
> still left loose inside.
>
> It was used in every garage I ever worked in which was a few over the
> years. I never saw water used.
>
> I do know how water will shock clean hot metal though. I use it on
> dirty wood stoves and cast iron fry pans with burned on stuff or on pans
> to de-glaze the stuck stuff for gravy or sauce.
>
> Mike
>
> Jerry Bransford wrote:
> > Mike, I've never understood why some always recommend ATF which costs
> > money over water which does not cost money. Water works just fine, I
> > know of no benefit whatsoever to using ATF over water.
> >
> > Do you know of some benefit that ATF provides over water when used for
> >
> > this purpose?
> >
> > Mike Romain wrote:
> >> No you need a steady slow stream of 'water' to shock the carbon off.
> >>
> >> I have had excellent results using a pint of ATF instead of water to
> > do
> >> this. The ATF makes a massive cloud of smoke though. I have heard
> > from
> >> enough people about the water instead that I will use that next time
> > and
> >> see how it goes.
> >>
> >> Mike
> >> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> >> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> >> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >>
> >> Steve Foley wrote:
> >>
> >> Would a spray-bottle work better than pouring it in? I have one I
> > use to
> >> check for bad plug wires. Mist under the hood at night and look for
> > the
> >> light-show.
> >>
> >> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
> >> news:juwdg.1012$sP1.459@fed1read07...
> >>
> >>
> >> The cure, if this is the problem and it sounds like it is, is to get
> > rid
> >> of the carbon build-up. The easiest way to do this is to slowly
> > (!!)
> >> feed 12-16 ounces of plain water into the air intake as the engine
> > is
> >> running, keeping the RPMs up slightly. NO, this will NOT cause
> >> hydrolock providing you feed the water in slowly and in a controlled
> >> manner over a minute to two minutes. Just slowly trickle it and
> >> maintain control over the water so you don't dump it in too quickly
> > by
> >> accident.
> >>
03-14-2007, 06:13 PM
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Re: '86 CJ7 Shaking after ignition is turned off
Something about the hair of the dog that bit you.
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> What do you mean 'used to'????
> ;-)
>
> Mike
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> What do you mean 'used to'????
> ;-)
>
> Mike
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Re: '86 CJ7 Shaking after ignition is turned off
Something about the hair of the dog that bit you.
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"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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> What do you mean 'used to'????
> ;-)
>
> Mike
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> What do you mean 'used to'????
> ;-)
>
> Mike
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Re: '86 CJ7 Shaking after ignition is turned off
Something about the hair of the dog that bit you.
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"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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> What do you mean 'used to'????
> ;-)
>
> Mike
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> What do you mean 'used to'????
> ;-)
>
> Mike
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03-14-2007, 11:01 PM
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Re: '86 CJ7 Shaking after ignition is turned off
Is Perl Lite anything like Natural Light? Being a poor college student
for most of the last 4-5 years, I've had enough Natty Light to know it's
pretty much carbonated water with alcohol in it.
DougW wrote:
> Earle Horton wrote:
>> After posting that, I began to wonder if beer would clean carbon any
>> better than water does.
>
> Perl lite, it's about as close to water as you can get.
>
for most of the last 4-5 years, I've had enough Natty Light to know it's
pretty much carbonated water with alcohol in it.
DougW wrote:
> Earle Horton wrote:
>> After posting that, I began to wonder if beer would clean carbon any
>> better than water does.
>
> Perl lite, it's about as close to water as you can get.
>