Re: '86 CJ7 Shaking after ignition is turned off
03-14-2007, 04:44 PM
#1
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Re: '86 CJ7 Shaking after ignition is turned off
I only know what works for sure from experience,
I haven't tried water yet.
I learned this back in the 70's and 80's from mechanics that used ATF to
decarbon 'city driven' V8's as part of a major tune up or for run on
like the OP has.
They also used this treatment before a valve job or head gasket replace,
which I have done now many times. They turn out clean as new with ATF.
On my my last headgasket job I used it, but didn't drive it after
before pulling it apart and got photos of some 1/16" slabs of carbon
still left loose inside.
It was used in every garage I ever worked in which was a few over the
years. I never saw water used.
I do know how water will shock clean hot metal though. I use it on
dirty wood stoves and cast iron fry pans with burned on stuff or on pans
to de-glaze the stuck stuff for gravy or sauce.
Mike
Jerry Bransford wrote:
> Mike, I've never understood why some always recommend ATF which costs
> money over water which does not cost money. Water works just fine, I
> know of no benefit whatsoever to using ATF over water.
>
> Do you know of some benefit that ATF provides over water when used for
>
> this purpose?
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
>> No you need a steady slow stream of 'water' to shock the carbon off.
>>
>> I have had excellent results using a pint of ATF instead of water to
> do
>> this. The ATF makes a massive cloud of smoke though. I have heard
> from
>> enough people about the water instead that I will use that next time
> and
>> see how it goes.
>>
>> Mike
>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>>
>> Steve Foley wrote:
>>
>> Would a spray-bottle work better than pouring it in? I have one I
> use to
>> check for bad plug wires. Mist under the hood at night and look for
> the
>> light-show.
>>
>> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
>> news:juwdg.1012$sP1.459@fed1read07...
>>
>>
>> The cure, if this is the problem and it sounds like it is, is to get
> rid
>> of the carbon build-up. The easiest way to do this is to slowly
> (!!)
>> feed 12-16 ounces of plain water into the air intake as the engine
> is
>> running, keeping the RPMs up slightly. NO, this will NOT cause
>> hydrolock providing you feed the water in slowly and in a controlled
>> manner over a minute to two minutes. Just slowly trickle it and
>> maintain control over the water so you don't dump it in too quickly
> by
>> accident.
>>
I haven't tried water yet.
I learned this back in the 70's and 80's from mechanics that used ATF to
decarbon 'city driven' V8's as part of a major tune up or for run on
like the OP has.
They also used this treatment before a valve job or head gasket replace,
which I have done now many times. They turn out clean as new with ATF.
On my my last headgasket job I used it, but didn't drive it after
before pulling it apart and got photos of some 1/16" slabs of carbon
still left loose inside.
It was used in every garage I ever worked in which was a few over the
years. I never saw water used.
I do know how water will shock clean hot metal though. I use it on
dirty wood stoves and cast iron fry pans with burned on stuff or on pans
to de-glaze the stuck stuff for gravy or sauce.
Mike
Jerry Bransford wrote:
> Mike, I've never understood why some always recommend ATF which costs
> money over water which does not cost money. Water works just fine, I
> know of no benefit whatsoever to using ATF over water.
>
> Do you know of some benefit that ATF provides over water when used for
>
> this purpose?
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
>> No you need a steady slow stream of 'water' to shock the carbon off.
>>
>> I have had excellent results using a pint of ATF instead of water to
> do
>> this. The ATF makes a massive cloud of smoke though. I have heard
> from
>> enough people about the water instead that I will use that next time
> and
>> see how it goes.
>>
>> Mike
>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>>
>> Steve Foley wrote:
>>
>> Would a spray-bottle work better than pouring it in? I have one I
> use to
>> check for bad plug wires. Mist under the hood at night and look for
> the
>> light-show.
>>
>> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
>> news:juwdg.1012$sP1.459@fed1read07...
>>
>>
>> The cure, if this is the problem and it sounds like it is, is to get
> rid
>> of the carbon build-up. The easiest way to do this is to slowly
> (!!)
>> feed 12-16 ounces of plain water into the air intake as the engine
> is
>> running, keeping the RPMs up slightly. NO, this will NOT cause
>> hydrolock providing you feed the water in slowly and in a controlled
>> manner over a minute to two minutes. Just slowly trickle it and
>> maintain control over the water so you don't dump it in too quickly
> by
>> accident.
>>
03-14-2007, 04:44 PM
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Re: '86 CJ7 Shaking after ignition is turned off
I only know what works for sure from experience,
I haven't tried water yet.
I learned this back in the 70's and 80's from mechanics that used ATF to
decarbon 'city driven' V8's as part of a major tune up or for run on
like the OP has.
They also used this treatment before a valve job or head gasket replace,
which I have done now many times. They turn out clean as new with ATF.
On my my last headgasket job I used it, but didn't drive it after
before pulling it apart and got photos of some 1/16" slabs of carbon
still left loose inside.
It was used in every garage I ever worked in which was a few over the
years. I never saw water used.
I do know how water will shock clean hot metal though. I use it on
dirty wood stoves and cast iron fry pans with burned on stuff or on pans
to de-glaze the stuck stuff for gravy or sauce.
Mike
Jerry Bransford wrote:
> Mike, I've never understood why some always recommend ATF which costs
> money over water which does not cost money. Water works just fine, I
> know of no benefit whatsoever to using ATF over water.
>
> Do you know of some benefit that ATF provides over water when used for
>
> this purpose?
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
>> No you need a steady slow stream of 'water' to shock the carbon off.
>>
>> I have had excellent results using a pint of ATF instead of water to
> do
>> this. The ATF makes a massive cloud of smoke though. I have heard
> from
>> enough people about the water instead that I will use that next time
> and
>> see how it goes.
>>
>> Mike
>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>>
>> Steve Foley wrote:
>>
>> Would a spray-bottle work better than pouring it in? I have one I
> use to
>> check for bad plug wires. Mist under the hood at night and look for
> the
>> light-show.
>>
>> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
>> news:juwdg.1012$sP1.459@fed1read07...
>>
>>
>> The cure, if this is the problem and it sounds like it is, is to get
> rid
>> of the carbon build-up. The easiest way to do this is to slowly
> (!!)
>> feed 12-16 ounces of plain water into the air intake as the engine
> is
>> running, keeping the RPMs up slightly. NO, this will NOT cause
>> hydrolock providing you feed the water in slowly and in a controlled
>> manner over a minute to two minutes. Just slowly trickle it and
>> maintain control over the water so you don't dump it in too quickly
> by
>> accident.
>>
I haven't tried water yet.
I learned this back in the 70's and 80's from mechanics that used ATF to
decarbon 'city driven' V8's as part of a major tune up or for run on
like the OP has.
They also used this treatment before a valve job or head gasket replace,
which I have done now many times. They turn out clean as new with ATF.
On my my last headgasket job I used it, but didn't drive it after
before pulling it apart and got photos of some 1/16" slabs of carbon
still left loose inside.
It was used in every garage I ever worked in which was a few over the
years. I never saw water used.
I do know how water will shock clean hot metal though. I use it on
dirty wood stoves and cast iron fry pans with burned on stuff or on pans
to de-glaze the stuck stuff for gravy or sauce.
Mike
Jerry Bransford wrote:
> Mike, I've never understood why some always recommend ATF which costs
> money over water which does not cost money. Water works just fine, I
> know of no benefit whatsoever to using ATF over water.
>
> Do you know of some benefit that ATF provides over water when used for
>
> this purpose?
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
>> No you need a steady slow stream of 'water' to shock the carbon off.
>>
>> I have had excellent results using a pint of ATF instead of water to
> do
>> this. The ATF makes a massive cloud of smoke though. I have heard
> from
>> enough people about the water instead that I will use that next time
> and
>> see how it goes.
>>
>> Mike
>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>>
>> Steve Foley wrote:
>>
>> Would a spray-bottle work better than pouring it in? I have one I
> use to
>> check for bad plug wires. Mist under the hood at night and look for
> the
>> light-show.
>>
>> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
>> news:juwdg.1012$sP1.459@fed1read07...
>>
>>
>> The cure, if this is the problem and it sounds like it is, is to get
> rid
>> of the carbon build-up. The easiest way to do this is to slowly
> (!!)
>> feed 12-16 ounces of plain water into the air intake as the engine
> is
>> running, keeping the RPMs up slightly. NO, this will NOT cause
>> hydrolock providing you feed the water in slowly and in a controlled
>> manner over a minute to two minutes. Just slowly trickle it and
>> maintain control over the water so you don't dump it in too quickly
> by
>> accident.
>>
03-14-2007, 04:44 PM
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Re: '86 CJ7 Shaking after ignition is turned off
I only know what works for sure from experience,
I haven't tried water yet.
I learned this back in the 70's and 80's from mechanics that used ATF to
decarbon 'city driven' V8's as part of a major tune up or for run on
like the OP has.
They also used this treatment before a valve job or head gasket replace,
which I have done now many times. They turn out clean as new with ATF.
On my my last headgasket job I used it, but didn't drive it after
before pulling it apart and got photos of some 1/16" slabs of carbon
still left loose inside.
It was used in every garage I ever worked in which was a few over the
years. I never saw water used.
I do know how water will shock clean hot metal though. I use it on
dirty wood stoves and cast iron fry pans with burned on stuff or on pans
to de-glaze the stuck stuff for gravy or sauce.
Mike
Jerry Bransford wrote:
> Mike, I've never understood why some always recommend ATF which costs
> money over water which does not cost money. Water works just fine, I
> know of no benefit whatsoever to using ATF over water.
>
> Do you know of some benefit that ATF provides over water when used for
>
> this purpose?
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
>> No you need a steady slow stream of 'water' to shock the carbon off.
>>
>> I have had excellent results using a pint of ATF instead of water to
> do
>> this. The ATF makes a massive cloud of smoke though. I have heard
> from
>> enough people about the water instead that I will use that next time
> and
>> see how it goes.
>>
>> Mike
>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>>
>> Steve Foley wrote:
>>
>> Would a spray-bottle work better than pouring it in? I have one I
> use to
>> check for bad plug wires. Mist under the hood at night and look for
> the
>> light-show.
>>
>> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
>> news:juwdg.1012$sP1.459@fed1read07...
>>
>>
>> The cure, if this is the problem and it sounds like it is, is to get
> rid
>> of the carbon build-up. The easiest way to do this is to slowly
> (!!)
>> feed 12-16 ounces of plain water into the air intake as the engine
> is
>> running, keeping the RPMs up slightly. NO, this will NOT cause
>> hydrolock providing you feed the water in slowly and in a controlled
>> manner over a minute to two minutes. Just slowly trickle it and
>> maintain control over the water so you don't dump it in too quickly
> by
>> accident.
>>
I haven't tried water yet.
I learned this back in the 70's and 80's from mechanics that used ATF to
decarbon 'city driven' V8's as part of a major tune up or for run on
like the OP has.
They also used this treatment before a valve job or head gasket replace,
which I have done now many times. They turn out clean as new with ATF.
On my my last headgasket job I used it, but didn't drive it after
before pulling it apart and got photos of some 1/16" slabs of carbon
still left loose inside.
It was used in every garage I ever worked in which was a few over the
years. I never saw water used.
I do know how water will shock clean hot metal though. I use it on
dirty wood stoves and cast iron fry pans with burned on stuff or on pans
to de-glaze the stuck stuff for gravy or sauce.
Mike
Jerry Bransford wrote:
> Mike, I've never understood why some always recommend ATF which costs
> money over water which does not cost money. Water works just fine, I
> know of no benefit whatsoever to using ATF over water.
>
> Do you know of some benefit that ATF provides over water when used for
>
> this purpose?
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
>> No you need a steady slow stream of 'water' to shock the carbon off.
>>
>> I have had excellent results using a pint of ATF instead of water to
> do
>> this. The ATF makes a massive cloud of smoke though. I have heard
> from
>> enough people about the water instead that I will use that next time
> and
>> see how it goes.
>>
>> Mike
>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>>
>> Steve Foley wrote:
>>
>> Would a spray-bottle work better than pouring it in? I have one I
> use to
>> check for bad plug wires. Mist under the hood at night and look for
> the
>> light-show.
>>
>> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
>> news:juwdg.1012$sP1.459@fed1read07...
>>
>>
>> The cure, if this is the problem and it sounds like it is, is to get
> rid
>> of the carbon build-up. The easiest way to do this is to slowly
> (!!)
>> feed 12-16 ounces of plain water into the air intake as the engine
> is
>> running, keeping the RPMs up slightly. NO, this will NOT cause
>> hydrolock providing you feed the water in slowly and in a controlled
>> manner over a minute to two minutes. Just slowly trickle it and
>> maintain control over the water so you don't dump it in too quickly
> by
>> accident.
>>
03-14-2007, 04:57 PM
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Re: '86 CJ7 Shaking after ignition is turned off
What do you mean 'used to'????
;-)
Mike
Earle Horton wrote:
> They used to use beer for hangover remedy too.
>
> Earle
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:45f85eba$0$3958$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshostin g.com...
>> I only know what works for sure from experience,
>>
>> I haven't tried water yet.
>>
>> I learned this back in the 70's and 80's from mechanics that used ATF to
>> decarbon 'city driven' V8's as part of a major tune up or for run on
>> like the OP has.
>>
>> They also used this treatment before a valve job or head gasket replace,
>> which I have done now many times. They turn out clean as new with ATF.
>> On my my last headgasket job I used it, but didn't drive it after
>> before pulling it apart and got photos of some 1/16" slabs of carbon
>> still left loose inside.
>>
>> It was used in every garage I ever worked in which was a few over the
>> years. I never saw water used.
>>
>> I do know how water will shock clean hot metal though. I use it on
>> dirty wood stoves and cast iron fry pans with burned on stuff or on pans
>> to de-glaze the stuck stuff for gravy or sauce.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> Jerry Bransford wrote:
>>> Mike, I've never understood why some always recommend ATF which costs
>>> money over water which does not cost money. Water works just fine, I
>>> know of no benefit whatsoever to using ATF over water.
>>>
>>> Do you know of some benefit that ATF provides over water when used for
>>>
>>> this purpose?
>>>
>>> Mike Romain wrote:
>>>> No you need a steady slow stream of 'water' to shock the carbon off.
>>>>
>>>> I have had excellent results using a pint of ATF instead of water to
>>> do
>>>> this. The ATF makes a massive cloud of smoke though. I have heard
>>> from
>>>> enough people about the water instead that I will use that next time
>>> and
>>>> see how it goes.
>>>>
>>>> Mike
>>>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>>> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>>>> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>>>> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>>>>
>>>> Steve Foley wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Would a spray-bottle work better than pouring it in? I have one I
>>> use to
>>>> check for bad plug wires. Mist under the hood at night and look for
>>> the
>>>> light-show.
>>>>
>>>> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:juwdg.1012$sP1.459@fed1read07...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The cure, if this is the problem and it sounds like it is, is to get
>>> rid
>>>> of the carbon build-up. The easiest way to do this is to slowly
>>> (!!)
>>>> feed 12-16 ounces of plain water into the air intake as the engine
>>> is
>>>> running, keeping the RPMs up slightly. NO, this will NOT cause
>>>> hydrolock providing you feed the water in slowly and in a controlled
>>>> manner over a minute to two minutes. Just slowly trickle it and
>>>> maintain control over the water so you don't dump it in too quickly
>>> by
>>>> accident.
>>>>
>
>
;-)
Mike
Earle Horton wrote:
> They used to use beer for hangover remedy too.
>
> Earle
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:45f85eba$0$3958$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshostin g.com...
>> I only know what works for sure from experience,
>>
>> I haven't tried water yet.
>>
>> I learned this back in the 70's and 80's from mechanics that used ATF to
>> decarbon 'city driven' V8's as part of a major tune up or for run on
>> like the OP has.
>>
>> They also used this treatment before a valve job or head gasket replace,
>> which I have done now many times. They turn out clean as new with ATF.
>> On my my last headgasket job I used it, but didn't drive it after
>> before pulling it apart and got photos of some 1/16" slabs of carbon
>> still left loose inside.
>>
>> It was used in every garage I ever worked in which was a few over the
>> years. I never saw water used.
>>
>> I do know how water will shock clean hot metal though. I use it on
>> dirty wood stoves and cast iron fry pans with burned on stuff or on pans
>> to de-glaze the stuck stuff for gravy or sauce.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> Jerry Bransford wrote:
>>> Mike, I've never understood why some always recommend ATF which costs
>>> money over water which does not cost money. Water works just fine, I
>>> know of no benefit whatsoever to using ATF over water.
>>>
>>> Do you know of some benefit that ATF provides over water when used for
>>>
>>> this purpose?
>>>
>>> Mike Romain wrote:
>>>> No you need a steady slow stream of 'water' to shock the carbon off.
>>>>
>>>> I have had excellent results using a pint of ATF instead of water to
>>> do
>>>> this. The ATF makes a massive cloud of smoke though. I have heard
>>> from
>>>> enough people about the water instead that I will use that next time
>>> and
>>>> see how it goes.
>>>>
>>>> Mike
>>>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>>> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>>>> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>>>> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>>>>
>>>> Steve Foley wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Would a spray-bottle work better than pouring it in? I have one I
>>> use to
>>>> check for bad plug wires. Mist under the hood at night and look for
>>> the
>>>> light-show.
>>>>
>>>> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:juwdg.1012$sP1.459@fed1read07...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The cure, if this is the problem and it sounds like it is, is to get
>>> rid
>>>> of the carbon build-up. The easiest way to do this is to slowly
>>> (!!)
>>>> feed 12-16 ounces of plain water into the air intake as the engine
>>> is
>>>> running, keeping the RPMs up slightly. NO, this will NOT cause
>>>> hydrolock providing you feed the water in slowly and in a controlled
>>>> manner over a minute to two minutes. Just slowly trickle it and
>>>> maintain control over the water so you don't dump it in too quickly
>>> by
>>>> accident.
>>>>
>
>
03-14-2007, 04:57 PM
#5
Guest
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Re: '86 CJ7 Shaking after ignition is turned off
What do you mean 'used to'????
;-)
Mike
Earle Horton wrote:
> They used to use beer for hangover remedy too.
>
> Earle
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:45f85eba$0$3958$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshostin g.com...
>> I only know what works for sure from experience,
>>
>> I haven't tried water yet.
>>
>> I learned this back in the 70's and 80's from mechanics that used ATF to
>> decarbon 'city driven' V8's as part of a major tune up or for run on
>> like the OP has.
>>
>> They also used this treatment before a valve job or head gasket replace,
>> which I have done now many times. They turn out clean as new with ATF.
>> On my my last headgasket job I used it, but didn't drive it after
>> before pulling it apart and got photos of some 1/16" slabs of carbon
>> still left loose inside.
>>
>> It was used in every garage I ever worked in which was a few over the
>> years. I never saw water used.
>>
>> I do know how water will shock clean hot metal though. I use it on
>> dirty wood stoves and cast iron fry pans with burned on stuff or on pans
>> to de-glaze the stuck stuff for gravy or sauce.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> Jerry Bransford wrote:
>>> Mike, I've never understood why some always recommend ATF which costs
>>> money over water which does not cost money. Water works just fine, I
>>> know of no benefit whatsoever to using ATF over water.
>>>
>>> Do you know of some benefit that ATF provides over water when used for
>>>
>>> this purpose?
>>>
>>> Mike Romain wrote:
>>>> No you need a steady slow stream of 'water' to shock the carbon off.
>>>>
>>>> I have had excellent results using a pint of ATF instead of water to
>>> do
>>>> this. The ATF makes a massive cloud of smoke though. I have heard
>>> from
>>>> enough people about the water instead that I will use that next time
>>> and
>>>> see how it goes.
>>>>
>>>> Mike
>>>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>>> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>>>> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>>>> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>>>>
>>>> Steve Foley wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Would a spray-bottle work better than pouring it in? I have one I
>>> use to
>>>> check for bad plug wires. Mist under the hood at night and look for
>>> the
>>>> light-show.
>>>>
>>>> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:juwdg.1012$sP1.459@fed1read07...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The cure, if this is the problem and it sounds like it is, is to get
>>> rid
>>>> of the carbon build-up. The easiest way to do this is to slowly
>>> (!!)
>>>> feed 12-16 ounces of plain water into the air intake as the engine
>>> is
>>>> running, keeping the RPMs up slightly. NO, this will NOT cause
>>>> hydrolock providing you feed the water in slowly and in a controlled
>>>> manner over a minute to two minutes. Just slowly trickle it and
>>>> maintain control over the water so you don't dump it in too quickly
>>> by
>>>> accident.
>>>>
>
>
;-)
Mike
Earle Horton wrote:
> They used to use beer for hangover remedy too.
>
> Earle
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:45f85eba$0$3958$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshostin g.com...
>> I only know what works for sure from experience,
>>
>> I haven't tried water yet.
>>
>> I learned this back in the 70's and 80's from mechanics that used ATF to
>> decarbon 'city driven' V8's as part of a major tune up or for run on
>> like the OP has.
>>
>> They also used this treatment before a valve job or head gasket replace,
>> which I have done now many times. They turn out clean as new with ATF.
>> On my my last headgasket job I used it, but didn't drive it after
>> before pulling it apart and got photos of some 1/16" slabs of carbon
>> still left loose inside.
>>
>> It was used in every garage I ever worked in which was a few over the
>> years. I never saw water used.
>>
>> I do know how water will shock clean hot metal though. I use it on
>> dirty wood stoves and cast iron fry pans with burned on stuff or on pans
>> to de-glaze the stuck stuff for gravy or sauce.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> Jerry Bransford wrote:
>>> Mike, I've never understood why some always recommend ATF which costs
>>> money over water which does not cost money. Water works just fine, I
>>> know of no benefit whatsoever to using ATF over water.
>>>
>>> Do you know of some benefit that ATF provides over water when used for
>>>
>>> this purpose?
>>>
>>> Mike Romain wrote:
>>>> No you need a steady slow stream of 'water' to shock the carbon off.
>>>>
>>>> I have had excellent results using a pint of ATF instead of water to
>>> do
>>>> this. The ATF makes a massive cloud of smoke though. I have heard
>>> from
>>>> enough people about the water instead that I will use that next time
>>> and
>>>> see how it goes.
>>>>
>>>> Mike
>>>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>>> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>>>> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>>>> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>>>>
>>>> Steve Foley wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Would a spray-bottle work better than pouring it in? I have one I
>>> use to
>>>> check for bad plug wires. Mist under the hood at night and look for
>>> the
>>>> light-show.
>>>>
>>>> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:juwdg.1012$sP1.459@fed1read07...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The cure, if this is the problem and it sounds like it is, is to get
>>> rid
>>>> of the carbon build-up. The easiest way to do this is to slowly
>>> (!!)
>>>> feed 12-16 ounces of plain water into the air intake as the engine
>>> is
>>>> running, keeping the RPMs up slightly. NO, this will NOT cause
>>>> hydrolock providing you feed the water in slowly and in a controlled
>>>> manner over a minute to two minutes. Just slowly trickle it and
>>>> maintain control over the water so you don't dump it in too quickly
>>> by
>>>> accident.
>>>>
>
>
03-14-2007, 04:57 PM
#6
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Re: '86 CJ7 Shaking after ignition is turned off
What do you mean 'used to'????
;-)
Mike
Earle Horton wrote:
> They used to use beer for hangover remedy too.
>
> Earle
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:45f85eba$0$3958$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshostin g.com...
>> I only know what works for sure from experience,
>>
>> I haven't tried water yet.
>>
>> I learned this back in the 70's and 80's from mechanics that used ATF to
>> decarbon 'city driven' V8's as part of a major tune up or for run on
>> like the OP has.
>>
>> They also used this treatment before a valve job or head gasket replace,
>> which I have done now many times. They turn out clean as new with ATF.
>> On my my last headgasket job I used it, but didn't drive it after
>> before pulling it apart and got photos of some 1/16" slabs of carbon
>> still left loose inside.
>>
>> It was used in every garage I ever worked in which was a few over the
>> years. I never saw water used.
>>
>> I do know how water will shock clean hot metal though. I use it on
>> dirty wood stoves and cast iron fry pans with burned on stuff or on pans
>> to de-glaze the stuck stuff for gravy or sauce.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> Jerry Bransford wrote:
>>> Mike, I've never understood why some always recommend ATF which costs
>>> money over water which does not cost money. Water works just fine, I
>>> know of no benefit whatsoever to using ATF over water.
>>>
>>> Do you know of some benefit that ATF provides over water when used for
>>>
>>> this purpose?
>>>
>>> Mike Romain wrote:
>>>> No you need a steady slow stream of 'water' to shock the carbon off.
>>>>
>>>> I have had excellent results using a pint of ATF instead of water to
>>> do
>>>> this. The ATF makes a massive cloud of smoke though. I have heard
>>> from
>>>> enough people about the water instead that I will use that next time
>>> and
>>>> see how it goes.
>>>>
>>>> Mike
>>>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>>> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>>>> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>>>> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>>>>
>>>> Steve Foley wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Would a spray-bottle work better than pouring it in? I have one I
>>> use to
>>>> check for bad plug wires. Mist under the hood at night and look for
>>> the
>>>> light-show.
>>>>
>>>> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:juwdg.1012$sP1.459@fed1read07...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The cure, if this is the problem and it sounds like it is, is to get
>>> rid
>>>> of the carbon build-up. The easiest way to do this is to slowly
>>> (!!)
>>>> feed 12-16 ounces of plain water into the air intake as the engine
>>> is
>>>> running, keeping the RPMs up slightly. NO, this will NOT cause
>>>> hydrolock providing you feed the water in slowly and in a controlled
>>>> manner over a minute to two minutes. Just slowly trickle it and
>>>> maintain control over the water so you don't dump it in too quickly
>>> by
>>>> accident.
>>>>
>
>
;-)
Mike
Earle Horton wrote:
> They used to use beer for hangover remedy too.
>
> Earle
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:45f85eba$0$3958$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshostin g.com...
>> I only know what works for sure from experience,
>>
>> I haven't tried water yet.
>>
>> I learned this back in the 70's and 80's from mechanics that used ATF to
>> decarbon 'city driven' V8's as part of a major tune up or for run on
>> like the OP has.
>>
>> They also used this treatment before a valve job or head gasket replace,
>> which I have done now many times. They turn out clean as new with ATF.
>> On my my last headgasket job I used it, but didn't drive it after
>> before pulling it apart and got photos of some 1/16" slabs of carbon
>> still left loose inside.
>>
>> It was used in every garage I ever worked in which was a few over the
>> years. I never saw water used.
>>
>> I do know how water will shock clean hot metal though. I use it on
>> dirty wood stoves and cast iron fry pans with burned on stuff or on pans
>> to de-glaze the stuck stuff for gravy or sauce.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> Jerry Bransford wrote:
>>> Mike, I've never understood why some always recommend ATF which costs
>>> money over water which does not cost money. Water works just fine, I
>>> know of no benefit whatsoever to using ATF over water.
>>>
>>> Do you know of some benefit that ATF provides over water when used for
>>>
>>> this purpose?
>>>
>>> Mike Romain wrote:
>>>> No you need a steady slow stream of 'water' to shock the carbon off.
>>>>
>>>> I have had excellent results using a pint of ATF instead of water to
>>> do
>>>> this. The ATF makes a massive cloud of smoke though. I have heard
>>> from
>>>> enough people about the water instead that I will use that next time
>>> and
>>>> see how it goes.
>>>>
>>>> Mike
>>>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>>> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>>>> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>>>> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>>>>
>>>> Steve Foley wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Would a spray-bottle work better than pouring it in? I have one I
>>> use to
>>>> check for bad plug wires. Mist under the hood at night and look for
>>> the
>>>> light-show.
>>>>
>>>> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:juwdg.1012$sP1.459@fed1read07...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The cure, if this is the problem and it sounds like it is, is to get
>>> rid
>>>> of the carbon build-up. The easiest way to do this is to slowly
>>> (!!)
>>>> feed 12-16 ounces of plain water into the air intake as the engine
>>> is
>>>> running, keeping the RPMs up slightly. NO, this will NOT cause
>>>> hydrolock providing you feed the water in slowly and in a controlled
>>>> manner over a minute to two minutes. Just slowly trickle it and
>>>> maintain control over the water so you don't dump it in too quickly
>>> by
>>>> accident.
>>>>
>
>
03-14-2007, 05:15 PM
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Re: '86 CJ7 Shaking after ignition is turned off
Mike, I've never understood why some always recommend ATF which costs
money over water which does not cost money. Water works just fine, I
know of no benefit whatsoever to using ATF over water
Do you know of some benefit that ATF provides over water when used fo
this purpose
Mike Romain wrote
> No you need a steady slow stream of 'water' to shock the carbon off
>
> I have had excellent results using a pint of ATF instead of water t
d
> this. The ATF makes a massive cloud of smoke though. I have hear
fro
> enough people about the water instead that I will use that next tim
an
> see how it goes
>
> Mik
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '0
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT'
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...l?id=211514759
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page
>
> Steve Foley wrote
>
> Would a spray-bottle work better than pouring it in? I have one
use t
> check for bad plug wires. Mist under the hood at night and look fo
th
> light-show
>
> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in messag
> news:juwdg.1012$sP1.459@fed1read07..
>
>
> The cure, if this is the problem and it sounds like it is, is to ge
ri
> of the carbon build-up. The easiest way to do this is to slowl
(!!
> feed 12-16 ounces of plain water into the air intake as the engin
i
> running, keeping the RPMs up slightly. NO, this will NOT caus
> hydrolock providing you feed the water in slowly and in a controlle
> manner over a minute to two minutes. Just slowly trickle it an
> maintain control over the water so you don't dump it in too quickl
b
> accident
>
--
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money over water which does not cost money. Water works just fine, I
know of no benefit whatsoever to using ATF over water
Do you know of some benefit that ATF provides over water when used fo
this purpose
Mike Romain wrote
> No you need a steady slow stream of 'water' to shock the carbon off
>
> I have had excellent results using a pint of ATF instead of water t
d
> this. The ATF makes a massive cloud of smoke though. I have hear
fro
> enough people about the water instead that I will use that next tim
an
> see how it goes
>
> Mik
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '0
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT'
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...l?id=211514759
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page
>
> Steve Foley wrote
>
> Would a spray-bottle work better than pouring it in? I have one
use t
> check for bad plug wires. Mist under the hood at night and look fo
th
> light-show
>
> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in messag
> news:juwdg.1012$sP1.459@fed1read07..
>
>
> The cure, if this is the problem and it sounds like it is, is to ge
ri
> of the carbon build-up. The easiest way to do this is to slowl
(!!
> feed 12-16 ounces of plain water into the air intake as the engin
i
> running, keeping the RPMs up slightly. NO, this will NOT caus
> hydrolock providing you feed the water in slowly and in a controlle
> manner over a minute to two minutes. Just slowly trickle it an
> maintain control over the water so you don't dump it in too quickl
b
> accident
>
--
Jerry Bransfor
PP-ASEL N6TA
See the Geezer Jeep a
http://members.***.net/jerrypb
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03-14-2007, 05:41 PM
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Re: '86 CJ7 Shaking after ignition is turned off
L.W. (Bill) ------ III wrote:
> Something about the hair of the dog that bit you.
> God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0
That and ATF makes a lousy hangover cure.
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:45f861c7$0$4892$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshostin g.com...
>> What do you mean 'used to'????
>> ;-)
>>
>> Mike
> Something about the hair of the dog that bit you.
> God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0
That and ATF makes a lousy hangover cure.
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:45f861c7$0$4892$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshostin g.com...
>> What do you mean 'used to'????
>> ;-)
>>
>> Mike
03-14-2007, 05:41 PM
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Re: '86 CJ7 Shaking after ignition is turned off
L.W. (Bill) ------ III wrote:
> Something about the hair of the dog that bit you.
> God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0
That and ATF makes a lousy hangover cure.
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:45f861c7$0$4892$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshostin g.com...
>> What do you mean 'used to'????
>> ;-)
>>
>> Mike
> Something about the hair of the dog that bit you.
> God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0
That and ATF makes a lousy hangover cure.
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:45f861c7$0$4892$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshostin g.com...
>> What do you mean 'used to'????
>> ;-)
>>
>> Mike
03-14-2007, 05:41 PM
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Re: '86 CJ7 Shaking after ignition is turned off
L.W. (Bill) ------ III wrote:
> Something about the hair of the dog that bit you.
> God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0
That and ATF makes a lousy hangover cure.
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:45f861c7$0$4892$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshostin g.com...
>> What do you mean 'used to'????
>> ;-)
>>
>> Mike
> Something about the hair of the dog that bit you.
> God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0
That and ATF makes a lousy hangover cure.
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:45f861c7$0$4892$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshostin g.com...
>> What do you mean 'used to'????
>> ;-)
>>
>> Mike