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Re: '86 CJ7 Shaking after ignition is turned off
I only know what works for sure from experience,
I haven't tried water yet. I learned this back in the 70's and 80's from mechanics that used ATF to decarbon 'city driven' V8's as part of a major tune up or for run on like the OP has. They also used this treatment before a valve job or head gasket replace, which I have done now many times. They turn out clean as new with ATF. On my my last headgasket job I used it, but didn't drive it after before pulling it apart and got photos of some 1/16" slabs of carbon still left loose inside. It was used in every garage I ever worked in which was a few over the years. I never saw water used. I do know how water will shock clean hot metal though. I use it on dirty wood stoves and cast iron fry pans with burned on stuff or on pans to de-glaze the stuck stuff for gravy or sauce. Mike Jerry Bransford wrote: > Mike, I've never understood why some always recommend ATF which costs > money over water which does not cost money. Water works just fine, I > know of no benefit whatsoever to using ATF over water. > > Do you know of some benefit that ATF provides over water when used for > > this purpose? > > Mike Romain wrote: >> No you need a steady slow stream of 'water' to shock the carbon off. >> >> I have had excellent results using a pint of ATF instead of water to > do >> this. The ATF makes a massive cloud of smoke though. I have heard > from >> enough people about the water instead that I will use that next time > and >> see how it goes. >> >> Mike >> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 >> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's >> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! >> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 >> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) >> >> Steve Foley wrote: >> >> Would a spray-bottle work better than pouring it in? I have one I > use to >> check for bad plug wires. Mist under the hood at night and look for > the >> light-show. >> >> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@cox.net> wrote in message >> news:juwdg.1012$sP1.459@fed1read07... >> >> >> The cure, if this is the problem and it sounds like it is, is to get > rid >> of the carbon build-up. The easiest way to do this is to slowly > (!!) >> feed 12-16 ounces of plain water into the air intake as the engine > is >> running, keeping the RPMs up slightly. NO, this will NOT cause >> hydrolock providing you feed the water in slowly and in a controlled >> manner over a minute to two minutes. Just slowly trickle it and >> maintain control over the water so you don't dump it in too quickly > by >> accident. >> |
Re: '86 CJ7 Shaking after ignition is turned off
I only know what works for sure from experience,
I haven't tried water yet. I learned this back in the 70's and 80's from mechanics that used ATF to decarbon 'city driven' V8's as part of a major tune up or for run on like the OP has. They also used this treatment before a valve job or head gasket replace, which I have done now many times. They turn out clean as new with ATF. On my my last headgasket job I used it, but didn't drive it after before pulling it apart and got photos of some 1/16" slabs of carbon still left loose inside. It was used in every garage I ever worked in which was a few over the years. I never saw water used. I do know how water will shock clean hot metal though. I use it on dirty wood stoves and cast iron fry pans with burned on stuff or on pans to de-glaze the stuck stuff for gravy or sauce. Mike Jerry Bransford wrote: > Mike, I've never understood why some always recommend ATF which costs > money over water which does not cost money. Water works just fine, I > know of no benefit whatsoever to using ATF over water. > > Do you know of some benefit that ATF provides over water when used for > > this purpose? > > Mike Romain wrote: >> No you need a steady slow stream of 'water' to shock the carbon off. >> >> I have had excellent results using a pint of ATF instead of water to > do >> this. The ATF makes a massive cloud of smoke though. I have heard > from >> enough people about the water instead that I will use that next time > and >> see how it goes. >> >> Mike >> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 >> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's >> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! >> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 >> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) >> >> Steve Foley wrote: >> >> Would a spray-bottle work better than pouring it in? I have one I > use to >> check for bad plug wires. Mist under the hood at night and look for > the >> light-show. >> >> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@cox.net> wrote in message >> news:juwdg.1012$sP1.459@fed1read07... >> >> >> The cure, if this is the problem and it sounds like it is, is to get > rid >> of the carbon build-up. The easiest way to do this is to slowly > (!!) >> feed 12-16 ounces of plain water into the air intake as the engine > is >> running, keeping the RPMs up slightly. NO, this will NOT cause >> hydrolock providing you feed the water in slowly and in a controlled >> manner over a minute to two minutes. Just slowly trickle it and >> maintain control over the water so you don't dump it in too quickly > by >> accident. >> |
Re: '86 CJ7 Shaking after ignition is turned off
I only know what works for sure from experience,
I haven't tried water yet. I learned this back in the 70's and 80's from mechanics that used ATF to decarbon 'city driven' V8's as part of a major tune up or for run on like the OP has. They also used this treatment before a valve job or head gasket replace, which I have done now many times. They turn out clean as new with ATF. On my my last headgasket job I used it, but didn't drive it after before pulling it apart and got photos of some 1/16" slabs of carbon still left loose inside. It was used in every garage I ever worked in which was a few over the years. I never saw water used. I do know how water will shock clean hot metal though. I use it on dirty wood stoves and cast iron fry pans with burned on stuff or on pans to de-glaze the stuck stuff for gravy or sauce. Mike Jerry Bransford wrote: > Mike, I've never understood why some always recommend ATF which costs > money over water which does not cost money. Water works just fine, I > know of no benefit whatsoever to using ATF over water. > > Do you know of some benefit that ATF provides over water when used for > > this purpose? > > Mike Romain wrote: >> No you need a steady slow stream of 'water' to shock the carbon off. >> >> I have had excellent results using a pint of ATF instead of water to > do >> this. The ATF makes a massive cloud of smoke though. I have heard > from >> enough people about the water instead that I will use that next time > and >> see how it goes. >> >> Mike >> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 >> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's >> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! >> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 >> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) >> >> Steve Foley wrote: >> >> Would a spray-bottle work better than pouring it in? I have one I > use to >> check for bad plug wires. Mist under the hood at night and look for > the >> light-show. >> >> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@cox.net> wrote in message >> news:juwdg.1012$sP1.459@fed1read07... >> >> >> The cure, if this is the problem and it sounds like it is, is to get > rid >> of the carbon build-up. The easiest way to do this is to slowly > (!!) >> feed 12-16 ounces of plain water into the air intake as the engine > is >> running, keeping the RPMs up slightly. NO, this will NOT cause >> hydrolock providing you feed the water in slowly and in a controlled >> manner over a minute to two minutes. Just slowly trickle it and >> maintain control over the water so you don't dump it in too quickly > by >> accident. >> |
Re: '86 CJ7 Shaking after ignition is turned off
What do you mean 'used to'????
;-) Mike Earle Horton wrote: > They used to use beer for hangover remedy too. > > Earle > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message > news:45f85eba$0$3958$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshostin g.com... >> I only know what works for sure from experience, >> >> I haven't tried water yet. >> >> I learned this back in the 70's and 80's from mechanics that used ATF to >> decarbon 'city driven' V8's as part of a major tune up or for run on >> like the OP has. >> >> They also used this treatment before a valve job or head gasket replace, >> which I have done now many times. They turn out clean as new with ATF. >> On my my last headgasket job I used it, but didn't drive it after >> before pulling it apart and got photos of some 1/16" slabs of carbon >> still left loose inside. >> >> It was used in every garage I ever worked in which was a few over the >> years. I never saw water used. >> >> I do know how water will shock clean hot metal though. I use it on >> dirty wood stoves and cast iron fry pans with burned on stuff or on pans >> to de-glaze the stuck stuff for gravy or sauce. >> >> Mike >> >> Jerry Bransford wrote: >>> Mike, I've never understood why some always recommend ATF which costs >>> money over water which does not cost money. Water works just fine, I >>> know of no benefit whatsoever to using ATF over water. >>> >>> Do you know of some benefit that ATF provides over water when used for >>> >>> this purpose? >>> >>> Mike Romain wrote: >>>> No you need a steady slow stream of 'water' to shock the carbon off. >>>> >>>> I have had excellent results using a pint of ATF instead of water to >>> do >>>> this. The ATF makes a massive cloud of smoke though. I have heard >>> from >>>> enough people about the water instead that I will use that next time >>> and >>>> see how it goes. >>>> >>>> Mike >>>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 >>>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's >>>> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! >>>> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 >>>> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) >>>> >>>> Steve Foley wrote: >>>> >>>> Would a spray-bottle work better than pouring it in? I have one I >>> use to >>>> check for bad plug wires. Mist under the hood at night and look for >>> the >>>> light-show. >>>> >>>> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@cox.net> wrote in message >>>> news:juwdg.1012$sP1.459@fed1read07... >>>> >>>> >>>> The cure, if this is the problem and it sounds like it is, is to get >>> rid >>>> of the carbon build-up. The easiest way to do this is to slowly >>> (!!) >>>> feed 12-16 ounces of plain water into the air intake as the engine >>> is >>>> running, keeping the RPMs up slightly. NO, this will NOT cause >>>> hydrolock providing you feed the water in slowly and in a controlled >>>> manner over a minute to two minutes. Just slowly trickle it and >>>> maintain control over the water so you don't dump it in too quickly >>> by >>>> accident. >>>> > > |
Re: '86 CJ7 Shaking after ignition is turned off
What do you mean 'used to'????
;-) Mike Earle Horton wrote: > They used to use beer for hangover remedy too. > > Earle > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message > news:45f85eba$0$3958$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshostin g.com... >> I only know what works for sure from experience, >> >> I haven't tried water yet. >> >> I learned this back in the 70's and 80's from mechanics that used ATF to >> decarbon 'city driven' V8's as part of a major tune up or for run on >> like the OP has. >> >> They also used this treatment before a valve job or head gasket replace, >> which I have done now many times. They turn out clean as new with ATF. >> On my my last headgasket job I used it, but didn't drive it after >> before pulling it apart and got photos of some 1/16" slabs of carbon >> still left loose inside. >> >> It was used in every garage I ever worked in which was a few over the >> years. I never saw water used. >> >> I do know how water will shock clean hot metal though. I use it on >> dirty wood stoves and cast iron fry pans with burned on stuff or on pans >> to de-glaze the stuck stuff for gravy or sauce. >> >> Mike >> >> Jerry Bransford wrote: >>> Mike, I've never understood why some always recommend ATF which costs >>> money over water which does not cost money. Water works just fine, I >>> know of no benefit whatsoever to using ATF over water. >>> >>> Do you know of some benefit that ATF provides over water when used for >>> >>> this purpose? >>> >>> Mike Romain wrote: >>>> No you need a steady slow stream of 'water' to shock the carbon off. >>>> >>>> I have had excellent results using a pint of ATF instead of water to >>> do >>>> this. The ATF makes a massive cloud of smoke though. I have heard >>> from >>>> enough people about the water instead that I will use that next time >>> and >>>> see how it goes. >>>> >>>> Mike >>>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 >>>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's >>>> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! >>>> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 >>>> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) >>>> >>>> Steve Foley wrote: >>>> >>>> Would a spray-bottle work better than pouring it in? I have one I >>> use to >>>> check for bad plug wires. Mist under the hood at night and look for >>> the >>>> light-show. >>>> >>>> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@cox.net> wrote in message >>>> news:juwdg.1012$sP1.459@fed1read07... >>>> >>>> >>>> The cure, if this is the problem and it sounds like it is, is to get >>> rid >>>> of the carbon build-up. The easiest way to do this is to slowly >>> (!!) >>>> feed 12-16 ounces of plain water into the air intake as the engine >>> is >>>> running, keeping the RPMs up slightly. NO, this will NOT cause >>>> hydrolock providing you feed the water in slowly and in a controlled >>>> manner over a minute to two minutes. Just slowly trickle it and >>>> maintain control over the water so you don't dump it in too quickly >>> by >>>> accident. >>>> > > |
Re: '86 CJ7 Shaking after ignition is turned off
What do you mean 'used to'????
;-) Mike Earle Horton wrote: > They used to use beer for hangover remedy too. > > Earle > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message > news:45f85eba$0$3958$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshostin g.com... >> I only know what works for sure from experience, >> >> I haven't tried water yet. >> >> I learned this back in the 70's and 80's from mechanics that used ATF to >> decarbon 'city driven' V8's as part of a major tune up or for run on >> like the OP has. >> >> They also used this treatment before a valve job or head gasket replace, >> which I have done now many times. They turn out clean as new with ATF. >> On my my last headgasket job I used it, but didn't drive it after >> before pulling it apart and got photos of some 1/16" slabs of carbon >> still left loose inside. >> >> It was used in every garage I ever worked in which was a few over the >> years. I never saw water used. >> >> I do know how water will shock clean hot metal though. I use it on >> dirty wood stoves and cast iron fry pans with burned on stuff or on pans >> to de-glaze the stuck stuff for gravy or sauce. >> >> Mike >> >> Jerry Bransford wrote: >>> Mike, I've never understood why some always recommend ATF which costs >>> money over water which does not cost money. Water works just fine, I >>> know of no benefit whatsoever to using ATF over water. >>> >>> Do you know of some benefit that ATF provides over water when used for >>> >>> this purpose? >>> >>> Mike Romain wrote: >>>> No you need a steady slow stream of 'water' to shock the carbon off. >>>> >>>> I have had excellent results using a pint of ATF instead of water to >>> do >>>> this. The ATF makes a massive cloud of smoke though. I have heard >>> from >>>> enough people about the water instead that I will use that next time >>> and >>>> see how it goes. >>>> >>>> Mike >>>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 >>>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's >>>> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! >>>> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 >>>> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) >>>> >>>> Steve Foley wrote: >>>> >>>> Would a spray-bottle work better than pouring it in? I have one I >>> use to >>>> check for bad plug wires. Mist under the hood at night and look for >>> the >>>> light-show. >>>> >>>> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@cox.net> wrote in message >>>> news:juwdg.1012$sP1.459@fed1read07... >>>> >>>> >>>> The cure, if this is the problem and it sounds like it is, is to get >>> rid >>>> of the carbon build-up. The easiest way to do this is to slowly >>> (!!) >>>> feed 12-16 ounces of plain water into the air intake as the engine >>> is >>>> running, keeping the RPMs up slightly. NO, this will NOT cause >>>> hydrolock providing you feed the water in slowly and in a controlled >>>> manner over a minute to two minutes. Just slowly trickle it and >>>> maintain control over the water so you don't dump it in too quickly >>> by >>>> accident. >>>> > > |
Re: '86 CJ7 Shaking after ignition is turned off
Mike, I've never understood why some always recommend ATF which costs
money over water which does not cost money. Water works just fine, I know of no benefit whatsoever to using ATF over water Do you know of some benefit that ATF provides over water when used fo this purpose Mike Romain wrote > No you need a steady slow stream of 'water' to shock the carbon off > > I have had excellent results using a pint of ATF instead of water t d > this. The ATF makes a massive cloud of smoke though. I have hear fro > enough people about the water instead that I will use that next tim an > see how it goes > > Mik > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '0 > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT' > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...l?id=211514759 > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page > > Steve Foley wrote > > Would a spray-bottle work better than pouring it in? I have one use t > check for bad plug wires. Mist under the hood at night and look fo th > light-show > > "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@cox.net> wrote in messag > news:juwdg.1012$sP1.459@fed1read07.. > > > The cure, if this is the problem and it sounds like it is, is to ge ri > of the carbon build-up. The easiest way to do this is to slowl (!! > feed 12-16 ounces of plain water into the air intake as the engin i > running, keeping the RPMs up slightly. NO, this will NOT caus > hydrolock providing you feed the water in slowly and in a controlle > manner over a minute to two minutes. Just slowly trickle it an > maintain control over the water so you don't dump it in too quickl b > accident > -- Jerry Bransfor PP-ASEL N6TA See the Geezer Jeep a http://members.cox.net/jerrypb -------------= Posted from Ugroups.com =------------ ---= Fast & Free Web Portal to Usenet Newsgroups =-- -------------= http://www.ugroups.com/ =------------ |
Re: '86 CJ7 Shaking after ignition is turned off
L.W. (Bill) ------ III wrote:
> Something about the hair of the dog that bit you. > God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0 That and ATF makes a lousy hangover cure. > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message > news:45f861c7$0$4892$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshostin g.com... >> What do you mean 'used to'???? >> ;-) >> >> Mike |
Re: '86 CJ7 Shaking after ignition is turned off
L.W. (Bill) ------ III wrote:
> Something about the hair of the dog that bit you. > God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0 That and ATF makes a lousy hangover cure. > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message > news:45f861c7$0$4892$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshostin g.com... >> What do you mean 'used to'???? >> ;-) >> >> Mike |
Re: '86 CJ7 Shaking after ignition is turned off
L.W. (Bill) ------ III wrote:
> Something about the hair of the dog that bit you. > God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0 That and ATF makes a lousy hangover cure. > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message > news:45f861c7$0$4892$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshostin g.com... >> What do you mean 'used to'???? >> ;-) >> >> Mike |
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