question on jeep dealer refusing service.
04-21-2004, 05:18 PM
#421
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Re: question on jeep dealer refusing service.
I agree with marbar. This pointless response is also copied to the bottom of
the page to keep everyone happy :-)
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"mabar" <mabar@NoSpammmgbronline.com> wrote in message
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> But top posting is SO MUCH easier to read. You don't have to scroll down
> (sometimes a LONG way down) to the bottom of the post just to see a
> sometimes one or two line reply.
>
> Snipping out the part of the original post that is unrelated to your reply
> also helps make for an easier, quicker read.
>
> I much prefer top posted replies.
>
> Tom
>
> "RJ" <re_johnson@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:g45880la5mp78jnahd154d30ha9gkpnad7@4ax.com...
> > On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 22:10:03 -0600, "cactuscowboy"
> > <cactuscowboy@bresnan.net> wrote:
> >
> snip
> >
> > By the way, top posting screws up the continuity of the conversation.
> >
> snip
>
>
I agree with marbar. This pointless response is also copied to the top of
the page to keep everyone happy :-)
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
the page to keep everyone happy :-)
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"mabar" <mabar@NoSpammmgbronline.com> wrote in message
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> But top posting is SO MUCH easier to read. You don't have to scroll down
> (sometimes a LONG way down) to the bottom of the post just to see a
> sometimes one or two line reply.
>
> Snipping out the part of the original post that is unrelated to your reply
> also helps make for an easier, quicker read.
>
> I much prefer top posted replies.
>
> Tom
>
> "RJ" <re_johnson@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:g45880la5mp78jnahd154d30ha9gkpnad7@4ax.com...
> > On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 22:10:03 -0600, "cactuscowboy"
> > <cactuscowboy@bresnan.net> wrote:
> >
> snip
> >
> > By the way, top posting screws up the continuity of the conversation.
> >
> snip
>
>
I agree with marbar. This pointless response is also copied to the top of
the page to keep everyone happy :-)
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
04-21-2004, 05:34 PM
#422
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Re: question on jeep dealer refusing service.
Mike, that is so unfair - car sales people are lovely, just misunderstood by
the whole world !
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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> cactuscowboy wrote:
> >
> > Why characterize car salesman as "sleaze ball"? I sell cars. I'm just
a
> > normal guy making an honest living. NOTHING sleazy about it.
> >
>
> ROTFLMAO!!!!!
>
> You Have to be kidding or you 'really' are a born car salesman to
> believe that BS!!!
>
> I have worked for car lots for years. I have met a 'lot' of sleazebags
> that call themselves 'car salesmen'.
>
> I worked at the job of sales very successfully for over a year and just
> couldn't take the sleazebags I had to work with so I went back to
> wrenching them.
>
> I have never met a more depraved group of ******** than a room full of
> 'professional' car salesmen.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
the whole world !
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:40868AA1.C5D25A6F@sympatico.ca...
> cactuscowboy wrote:
> >
> > Why characterize car salesman as "sleaze ball"? I sell cars. I'm just
a
> > normal guy making an honest living. NOTHING sleazy about it.
> >
>
> ROTFLMAO!!!!!
>
> You Have to be kidding or you 'really' are a born car salesman to
> believe that BS!!!
>
> I have worked for car lots for years. I have met a 'lot' of sleazebags
> that call themselves 'car salesmen'.
>
> I worked at the job of sales very successfully for over a year and just
> couldn't take the sleazebags I had to work with so I went back to
> wrenching them.
>
> I have never met a more depraved group of ******** than a room full of
> 'professional' car salesmen.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
04-21-2004, 05:34 PM
#423
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Re: question on jeep dealer refusing service.
Mike, that is so unfair - car sales people are lovely, just misunderstood by
the whole world !
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:40868AA1.C5D25A6F@sympatico.ca...
> cactuscowboy wrote:
> >
> > Why characterize car salesman as "sleaze ball"? I sell cars. I'm just
a
> > normal guy making an honest living. NOTHING sleazy about it.
> >
>
> ROTFLMAO!!!!!
>
> You Have to be kidding or you 'really' are a born car salesman to
> believe that BS!!!
>
> I have worked for car lots for years. I have met a 'lot' of sleazebags
> that call themselves 'car salesmen'.
>
> I worked at the job of sales very successfully for over a year and just
> couldn't take the sleazebags I had to work with so I went back to
> wrenching them.
>
> I have never met a more depraved group of ******** than a room full of
> 'professional' car salesmen.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
the whole world !
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:40868AA1.C5D25A6F@sympatico.ca...
> cactuscowboy wrote:
> >
> > Why characterize car salesman as "sleaze ball"? I sell cars. I'm just
a
> > normal guy making an honest living. NOTHING sleazy about it.
> >
>
> ROTFLMAO!!!!!
>
> You Have to be kidding or you 'really' are a born car salesman to
> believe that BS!!!
>
> I have worked for car lots for years. I have met a 'lot' of sleazebags
> that call themselves 'car salesmen'.
>
> I worked at the job of sales very successfully for over a year and just
> couldn't take the sleazebags I had to work with so I went back to
> wrenching them.
>
> I have never met a more depraved group of ******** than a room full of
> 'professional' car salesmen.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
04-21-2004, 05:34 PM
#424
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Re: question on jeep dealer refusing service.
Mike, that is so unfair - car sales people are lovely, just misunderstood by
the whole world !
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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> cactuscowboy wrote:
> >
> > Why characterize car salesman as "sleaze ball"? I sell cars. I'm just
a
> > normal guy making an honest living. NOTHING sleazy about it.
> >
>
> ROTFLMAO!!!!!
>
> You Have to be kidding or you 'really' are a born car salesman to
> believe that BS!!!
>
> I have worked for car lots for years. I have met a 'lot' of sleazebags
> that call themselves 'car salesmen'.
>
> I worked at the job of sales very successfully for over a year and just
> couldn't take the sleazebags I had to work with so I went back to
> wrenching them.
>
> I have never met a more depraved group of ******** than a room full of
> 'professional' car salesmen.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
the whole world !
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:40868AA1.C5D25A6F@sympatico.ca...
> cactuscowboy wrote:
> >
> > Why characterize car salesman as "sleaze ball"? I sell cars. I'm just
a
> > normal guy making an honest living. NOTHING sleazy about it.
> >
>
> ROTFLMAO!!!!!
>
> You Have to be kidding or you 'really' are a born car salesman to
> believe that BS!!!
>
> I have worked for car lots for years. I have met a 'lot' of sleazebags
> that call themselves 'car salesmen'.
>
> I worked at the job of sales very successfully for over a year and just
> couldn't take the sleazebags I had to work with so I went back to
> wrenching them.
>
> I have never met a more depraved group of ******** than a room full of
> 'professional' car salesmen.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
04-21-2004, 05:34 PM
#425
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Re: question on jeep dealer refusing service.
Mike, that is so unfair - car sales people are lovely, just misunderstood by
the whole world !
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:40868AA1.C5D25A6F@sympatico.ca...
> cactuscowboy wrote:
> >
> > Why characterize car salesman as "sleaze ball"? I sell cars. I'm just
a
> > normal guy making an honest living. NOTHING sleazy about it.
> >
>
> ROTFLMAO!!!!!
>
> You Have to be kidding or you 'really' are a born car salesman to
> believe that BS!!!
>
> I have worked for car lots for years. I have met a 'lot' of sleazebags
> that call themselves 'car salesmen'.
>
> I worked at the job of sales very successfully for over a year and just
> couldn't take the sleazebags I had to work with so I went back to
> wrenching them.
>
> I have never met a more depraved group of ******** than a room full of
> 'professional' car salesmen.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
the whole world !
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:40868AA1.C5D25A6F@sympatico.ca...
> cactuscowboy wrote:
> >
> > Why characterize car salesman as "sleaze ball"? I sell cars. I'm just
a
> > normal guy making an honest living. NOTHING sleazy about it.
> >
>
> ROTFLMAO!!!!!
>
> You Have to be kidding or you 'really' are a born car salesman to
> believe that BS!!!
>
> I have worked for car lots for years. I have met a 'lot' of sleazebags
> that call themselves 'car salesmen'.
>
> I worked at the job of sales very successfully for over a year and just
> couldn't take the sleazebags I had to work with so I went back to
> wrenching them.
>
> I have never met a more depraved group of ******** than a room full of
> 'professional' car salesmen.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
04-21-2004, 07:18 PM
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Re: question on jeep dealer refusing service.
In article <tNBhc.428$wQ2.4451428@news-text.cableinet.net>,
Dave Milne <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote:
>Mike, that is so unfair - car sales people are lovely, just misunderstood by
>the whole world !
LOL!!!!
>
>Dave Milne, Scotland
>'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>
>"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>news:40868AA1.C5D25A6F@sympatico.ca...
>> cactuscowboy wrote:
>> >
>> > Why characterize car salesman as "sleaze ball"? I sell cars. I'm just
>a
>> > normal guy making an honest living. NOTHING sleazy about it.
>> >
>>
>> ROTFLMAO!!!!!
>>
>> You Have to be kidding or you 'really' are a born car salesman to
>> believe that BS!!!
>>
>> I have worked for car lots for years. I have met a 'lot' of sleazebags
>> that call themselves 'car salesmen'.
>>
>> I worked at the job of sales very successfully for over a year and just
>> couldn't take the sleazebags I had to work with so I went back to
>> wrenching them.
>>
>> I have never met a more depraved group of ******** than a room full of
>> 'professional' car salesmen.
LOL!!!
Only in a metro area. They can't be like that in a rural area because
the volume isn't there and they would get a bad rep quick. JMO.
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Dave Milne <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote:
>Mike, that is so unfair - car sales people are lovely, just misunderstood by
>the whole world !
LOL!!!!
>
>Dave Milne, Scotland
>'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>
>"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>news:40868AA1.C5D25A6F@sympatico.ca...
>> cactuscowboy wrote:
>> >
>> > Why characterize car salesman as "sleaze ball"? I sell cars. I'm just
>a
>> > normal guy making an honest living. NOTHING sleazy about it.
>> >
>>
>> ROTFLMAO!!!!!
>>
>> You Have to be kidding or you 'really' are a born car salesman to
>> believe that BS!!!
>>
>> I have worked for car lots for years. I have met a 'lot' of sleazebags
>> that call themselves 'car salesmen'.
>>
>> I worked at the job of sales very successfully for over a year and just
>> couldn't take the sleazebags I had to work with so I went back to
>> wrenching them.
>>
>> I have never met a more depraved group of ******** than a room full of
>> 'professional' car salesmen.
LOL!!!
Only in a metro area. They can't be like that in a rural area because
the volume isn't there and they would get a bad rep quick. JMO.
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04-21-2004, 07:18 PM
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Re: question on jeep dealer refusing service.
In article <tNBhc.428$wQ2.4451428@news-text.cableinet.net>,
Dave Milne <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote:
>Mike, that is so unfair - car sales people are lovely, just misunderstood by
>the whole world !
LOL!!!!
>
>Dave Milne, Scotland
>'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>
>"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>news:40868AA1.C5D25A6F@sympatico.ca...
>> cactuscowboy wrote:
>> >
>> > Why characterize car salesman as "sleaze ball"? I sell cars. I'm just
>a
>> > normal guy making an honest living. NOTHING sleazy about it.
>> >
>>
>> ROTFLMAO!!!!!
>>
>> You Have to be kidding or you 'really' are a born car salesman to
>> believe that BS!!!
>>
>> I have worked for car lots for years. I have met a 'lot' of sleazebags
>> that call themselves 'car salesmen'.
>>
>> I worked at the job of sales very successfully for over a year and just
>> couldn't take the sleazebags I had to work with so I went back to
>> wrenching them.
>>
>> I have never met a more depraved group of ******** than a room full of
>> 'professional' car salesmen.
LOL!!!
Only in a metro area. They can't be like that in a rural area because
the volume isn't there and they would get a bad rep quick. JMO.
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Dave Milne <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote:
>Mike, that is so unfair - car sales people are lovely, just misunderstood by
>the whole world !
LOL!!!!
>
>Dave Milne, Scotland
>'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>
>"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>news:40868AA1.C5D25A6F@sympatico.ca...
>> cactuscowboy wrote:
>> >
>> > Why characterize car salesman as "sleaze ball"? I sell cars. I'm just
>a
>> > normal guy making an honest living. NOTHING sleazy about it.
>> >
>>
>> ROTFLMAO!!!!!
>>
>> You Have to be kidding or you 'really' are a born car salesman to
>> believe that BS!!!
>>
>> I have worked for car lots for years. I have met a 'lot' of sleazebags
>> that call themselves 'car salesmen'.
>>
>> I worked at the job of sales very successfully for over a year and just
>> couldn't take the sleazebags I had to work with so I went back to
>> wrenching them.
>>
>> I have never met a more depraved group of ******** than a room full of
>> 'professional' car salesmen.
LOL!!!
Only in a metro area. They can't be like that in a rural area because
the volume isn't there and they would get a bad rep quick. JMO.
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04-21-2004, 07:18 PM
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Re: question on jeep dealer refusing service.
In article <tNBhc.428$wQ2.4451428@news-text.cableinet.net>,
Dave Milne <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote:
>Mike, that is so unfair - car sales people are lovely, just misunderstood by
>the whole world !
LOL!!!!
>
>Dave Milne, Scotland
>'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>
>"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>news:40868AA1.C5D25A6F@sympatico.ca...
>> cactuscowboy wrote:
>> >
>> > Why characterize car salesman as "sleaze ball"? I sell cars. I'm just
>a
>> > normal guy making an honest living. NOTHING sleazy about it.
>> >
>>
>> ROTFLMAO!!!!!
>>
>> You Have to be kidding or you 'really' are a born car salesman to
>> believe that BS!!!
>>
>> I have worked for car lots for years. I have met a 'lot' of sleazebags
>> that call themselves 'car salesmen'.
>>
>> I worked at the job of sales very successfully for over a year and just
>> couldn't take the sleazebags I had to work with so I went back to
>> wrenching them.
>>
>> I have never met a more depraved group of ******** than a room full of
>> 'professional' car salesmen.
LOL!!!
Only in a metro area. They can't be like that in a rural area because
the volume isn't there and they would get a bad rep quick. JMO.
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Dave Milne <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote:
>Mike, that is so unfair - car sales people are lovely, just misunderstood by
>the whole world !
LOL!!!!
>
>Dave Milne, Scotland
>'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>
>"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>news:40868AA1.C5D25A6F@sympatico.ca...
>> cactuscowboy wrote:
>> >
>> > Why characterize car salesman as "sleaze ball"? I sell cars. I'm just
>a
>> > normal guy making an honest living. NOTHING sleazy about it.
>> >
>>
>> ROTFLMAO!!!!!
>>
>> You Have to be kidding or you 'really' are a born car salesman to
>> believe that BS!!!
>>
>> I have worked for car lots for years. I have met a 'lot' of sleazebags
>> that call themselves 'car salesmen'.
>>
>> I worked at the job of sales very successfully for over a year and just
>> couldn't take the sleazebags I had to work with so I went back to
>> wrenching them.
>>
>> I have never met a more depraved group of ******** than a room full of
>> 'professional' car salesmen.
LOL!!!
Only in a metro area. They can't be like that in a rural area because
the volume isn't there and they would get a bad rep quick. JMO.
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04-21-2004, 07:18 PM
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Re: question on jeep dealer refusing service.
In article <tNBhc.428$wQ2.4451428@news-text.cableinet.net>,
Dave Milne <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote:
>Mike, that is so unfair - car sales people are lovely, just misunderstood by
>the whole world !
LOL!!!!
>
>Dave Milne, Scotland
>'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>
>"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>news:40868AA1.C5D25A6F@sympatico.ca...
>> cactuscowboy wrote:
>> >
>> > Why characterize car salesman as "sleaze ball"? I sell cars. I'm just
>a
>> > normal guy making an honest living. NOTHING sleazy about it.
>> >
>>
>> ROTFLMAO!!!!!
>>
>> You Have to be kidding or you 'really' are a born car salesman to
>> believe that BS!!!
>>
>> I have worked for car lots for years. I have met a 'lot' of sleazebags
>> that call themselves 'car salesmen'.
>>
>> I worked at the job of sales very successfully for over a year and just
>> couldn't take the sleazebags I had to work with so I went back to
>> wrenching them.
>>
>> I have never met a more depraved group of ******** than a room full of
>> 'professional' car salesmen.
LOL!!!
Only in a metro area. They can't be like that in a rural area because
the volume isn't there and they would get a bad rep quick. JMO.
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Dave Milne <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote:
>Mike, that is so unfair - car sales people are lovely, just misunderstood by
>the whole world !
LOL!!!!
>
>Dave Milne, Scotland
>'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>
>"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>news:40868AA1.C5D25A6F@sympatico.ca...
>> cactuscowboy wrote:
>> >
>> > Why characterize car salesman as "sleaze ball"? I sell cars. I'm just
>a
>> > normal guy making an honest living. NOTHING sleazy about it.
>> >
>>
>> ROTFLMAO!!!!!
>>
>> You Have to be kidding or you 'really' are a born car salesman to
>> believe that BS!!!
>>
>> I have worked for car lots for years. I have met a 'lot' of sleazebags
>> that call themselves 'car salesmen'.
>>
>> I worked at the job of sales very successfully for over a year and just
>> couldn't take the sleazebags I had to work with so I went back to
>> wrenching them.
>>
>> I have never met a more depraved group of ******** than a room full of
>> 'professional' car salesmen.
LOL!!!
Only in a metro area. They can't be like that in a rural area because
the volume isn't there and they would get a bad rep quick. JMO.
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04-21-2004, 10:50 PM
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Re: question on jeep dealer refusing service.
Roughly 4/20/04 22:33, RJ's monkeys randomly typed:
> On Tue, 20 Apr 2004 22:41:47 -0600, "cactuscowboy"
> <cactuscowboy@bresnan.net> wrote:
>
>>you'll get your best deal by negotiating. Go in with a positive
>>attitude. It's not game-playing, confrontation and personal attacks. It's
>>business.
>
> No. Car buying is all about game playing.
>
> It's the customer, who does it once every few years versus a sales
> person who does it numerous times per day.
>
> I've arrived at the following procedure: if the first offer from the
> dealer is silly, I walk right then. You're wasting my time.
Rarely need to get that far... I give them one polite warning and
attempt to keep it humorous, but don't waste time with
those too stupid or sleazy to take a very broad hint.
Oddly enough though, I've been lucky enough to meet several
very good salesmen. Some were new, some had been at the
same dealership for over 10 years. However I may be strange
in that I am aware that salesmen also need to eat, and I'd
like to see the dealer around when the damn thing breaks, or even
better be there when I buy another car, soI tend not to shop at
Walmart a lot.
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> On Tue, 20 Apr 2004 22:41:47 -0600, "cactuscowboy"
> <cactuscowboy@bresnan.net> wrote:
>
>>you'll get your best deal by negotiating. Go in with a positive
>>attitude. It's not game-playing, confrontation and personal attacks. It's
>>business.
>
> No. Car buying is all about game playing.
>
> It's the customer, who does it once every few years versus a sales
> person who does it numerous times per day.
>
> I've arrived at the following procedure: if the first offer from the
> dealer is silly, I walk right then. You're wasting my time.
Rarely need to get that far... I give them one polite warning and
attempt to keep it humorous, but don't waste time with
those too stupid or sleazy to take a very broad hint.
Oddly enough though, I've been lucky enough to meet several
very good salesmen. Some were new, some had been at the
same dealership for over 10 years. However I may be strange
in that I am aware that salesmen also need to eat, and I'd
like to see the dealer around when the damn thing breaks, or even
better be there when I buy another car, soI tend not to shop at
Walmart a lot.
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