question on jeep dealer refusing service.
04-21-2004, 01:30 AM
#381
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Re: question on jeep dealer refusing service.
On Tue, 20 Apr 2004 22:15:53 -0600, "cactuscowboy"
<cactuscowboy@bresnan.net> wrote:
>
>"RJ" <re_johnson@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:g45880la5mp78jnahd154d30ha9gkpnad7@4ax.com.. .
>> On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 22:10:03 -0600, "cactuscowboy"
>> <cactuscowboy@bresnan.net> wrote:
>>
>> >Correct. But it's not just the money.
>>
>> Do you enjoy taking extra money from elderly or naive people who are
>> not good negotiators or who believe you when you 'negotiate'?
>>
>
>If a customer pays top dollar, e.g. over retail book value, for a vehicle
>and is completely satisfied with the vehicle and the purchase, is that not a
>good deal?
Not if they could have had it for hundreds or thousands less if they
were less trusting.
>Would you consider that "taking extra money"?
Yes.
> I wouldn't, nor
>would the customer.
Wait until they find out what their hard-nosed neighbor paid.
>BTW, some of the toughest negotiators are the elderly
>customers I deal with.
And some of the easiest, too.
>I enjoy helping customers find the right vehicle for
>their needs. I enjoy coming to terms on a price that a customer is happy
>with, whether or not you or anyone else thinks they paid too much.
Including window sticker price?
>I offer no apologies for selling vehicles at a profit. We do not take
>unfair advantage of demented or retarded customers.
You would if you could get away with it.
> The dealership I work
>for employs 17 people at good wages, offers a valuable and needed service,
>and gives generously to the local community. We deserve to make a profit.
I'm practically weeping.
>Why is it that everyone bitches about the fear of 'paying too much for a
>car', but never about paying too much for groceries, the electric bill,
>medical expenses, etc....?
Because they know that they paid the same elecricity rates as
everybody else.
>Funny story - one of the worst grinders I ever
>sold a truck to was a local doctor, a guy with all the money to buy. He
>chopped us $250 into holdback, a deal that I was shocked to see our GM take.
Maybe the doctor bribed him to keep your commission down.
>Wonder how the good doctor would react to my negotiating the cost of his
>services. "Hey Doc, I'll counter-offer your $5,000 with $3,000 on that gall
>bladder operation"!
Many doctors give away part of their services as charity.
---
Bob
<cactuscowboy@bresnan.net> wrote:
>
>"RJ" <re_johnson@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:g45880la5mp78jnahd154d30ha9gkpnad7@4ax.com.. .
>> On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 22:10:03 -0600, "cactuscowboy"
>> <cactuscowboy@bresnan.net> wrote:
>>
>> >Correct. But it's not just the money.
>>
>> Do you enjoy taking extra money from elderly or naive people who are
>> not good negotiators or who believe you when you 'negotiate'?
>>
>
>If a customer pays top dollar, e.g. over retail book value, for a vehicle
>and is completely satisfied with the vehicle and the purchase, is that not a
>good deal?
Not if they could have had it for hundreds or thousands less if they
were less trusting.
>Would you consider that "taking extra money"?
Yes.
> I wouldn't, nor
>would the customer.
Wait until they find out what their hard-nosed neighbor paid.
>BTW, some of the toughest negotiators are the elderly
>customers I deal with.
And some of the easiest, too.
>I enjoy helping customers find the right vehicle for
>their needs. I enjoy coming to terms on a price that a customer is happy
>with, whether or not you or anyone else thinks they paid too much.
Including window sticker price?
>I offer no apologies for selling vehicles at a profit. We do not take
>unfair advantage of demented or retarded customers.
You would if you could get away with it.
> The dealership I work
>for employs 17 people at good wages, offers a valuable and needed service,
>and gives generously to the local community. We deserve to make a profit.
I'm practically weeping.
>Why is it that everyone bitches about the fear of 'paying too much for a
>car', but never about paying too much for groceries, the electric bill,
>medical expenses, etc....?
Because they know that they paid the same elecricity rates as
everybody else.
>Funny story - one of the worst grinders I ever
>sold a truck to was a local doctor, a guy with all the money to buy. He
>chopped us $250 into holdback, a deal that I was shocked to see our GM take.
Maybe the doctor bribed him to keep your commission down.
>Wonder how the good doctor would react to my negotiating the cost of his
>services. "Hey Doc, I'll counter-offer your $5,000 with $3,000 on that gall
>bladder operation"!
Many doctors give away part of their services as charity.
---
Bob
04-21-2004, 01:30 AM
#382
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Re: question on jeep dealer refusing service.
Don't overlook the 'back end' - financing, extended service plans,
protective coatings, gap insurance, window etch, etc.... That's a major
profit center for most dealerships.
Best regards,
Dave Rose
Cactus Cowboy
Big Wonderful Wyoming
'49 ****** Pickup (parts truck)
'62 ****** Pickup 4WD 226
'98 XJ Sport
O|||||||O
"Kevin" <Kevin@el.net> wrote in message
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> Jersey wrote:
> > I don't believe I read through this whole post & didn't
> > learn crap about negotiating a deal with a sleaze ball
> > car sales man I just hate walking into a dealers, I think
> > I'd rather have a root canal without Novocain but
> > at least I sure feel a bunch better about top posting.
> >
> > L8r - Jersey
> >
> >
> >
> There is one jeep dealer in Ga. who does not play the price game One
> price thats it. Most new car dealers make their money from year end
> volume rebates, not off of the retail sales. The more they sell the
> higher their year end kick back .
>
protective coatings, gap insurance, window etch, etc.... That's a major
profit center for most dealerships.
Best regards,
Dave Rose
Cactus Cowboy
Big Wonderful Wyoming
'49 ****** Pickup (parts truck)
'62 ****** Pickup 4WD 226
'98 XJ Sport
O|||||||O
"Kevin" <Kevin@el.net> wrote in message
news:YPhhc.180023$JO3.102844@attbi_s04...
> Jersey wrote:
> > I don't believe I read through this whole post & didn't
> > learn crap about negotiating a deal with a sleaze ball
> > car sales man I just hate walking into a dealers, I think
> > I'd rather have a root canal without Novocain but
> > at least I sure feel a bunch better about top posting.
> >
> > L8r - Jersey
> >
> >
> >
> There is one jeep dealer in Ga. who does not play the price game One
> price thats it. Most new car dealers make their money from year end
> volume rebates, not off of the retail sales. The more they sell the
> higher their year end kick back .
>
04-21-2004, 01:30 AM
#383
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Posts: n/a
Re: question on jeep dealer refusing service.
Don't overlook the 'back end' - financing, extended service plans,
protective coatings, gap insurance, window etch, etc.... That's a major
profit center for most dealerships.
Best regards,
Dave Rose
Cactus Cowboy
Big Wonderful Wyoming
'49 ****** Pickup (parts truck)
'62 ****** Pickup 4WD 226
'98 XJ Sport
O|||||||O
"Kevin" <Kevin@el.net> wrote in message
news:YPhhc.180023$JO3.102844@attbi_s04...
> Jersey wrote:
> > I don't believe I read through this whole post & didn't
> > learn crap about negotiating a deal with a sleaze ball
> > car sales man I just hate walking into a dealers, I think
> > I'd rather have a root canal without Novocain but
> > at least I sure feel a bunch better about top posting.
> >
> > L8r - Jersey
> >
> >
> >
> There is one jeep dealer in Ga. who does not play the price game One
> price thats it. Most new car dealers make their money from year end
> volume rebates, not off of the retail sales. The more they sell the
> higher their year end kick back .
>
protective coatings, gap insurance, window etch, etc.... That's a major
profit center for most dealerships.
Best regards,
Dave Rose
Cactus Cowboy
Big Wonderful Wyoming
'49 ****** Pickup (parts truck)
'62 ****** Pickup 4WD 226
'98 XJ Sport
O|||||||O
"Kevin" <Kevin@el.net> wrote in message
news:YPhhc.180023$JO3.102844@attbi_s04...
> Jersey wrote:
> > I don't believe I read through this whole post & didn't
> > learn crap about negotiating a deal with a sleaze ball
> > car sales man I just hate walking into a dealers, I think
> > I'd rather have a root canal without Novocain but
> > at least I sure feel a bunch better about top posting.
> >
> > L8r - Jersey
> >
> >
> >
> There is one jeep dealer in Ga. who does not play the price game One
> price thats it. Most new car dealers make their money from year end
> volume rebates, not off of the retail sales. The more they sell the
> higher their year end kick back .
>
04-21-2004, 01:30 AM
#384
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Posts: n/a
Re: question on jeep dealer refusing service.
Don't overlook the 'back end' - financing, extended service plans,
protective coatings, gap insurance, window etch, etc.... That's a major
profit center for most dealerships.
Best regards,
Dave Rose
Cactus Cowboy
Big Wonderful Wyoming
'49 ****** Pickup (parts truck)
'62 ****** Pickup 4WD 226
'98 XJ Sport
O|||||||O
"Kevin" <Kevin@el.net> wrote in message
news:YPhhc.180023$JO3.102844@attbi_s04...
> Jersey wrote:
> > I don't believe I read through this whole post & didn't
> > learn crap about negotiating a deal with a sleaze ball
> > car sales man I just hate walking into a dealers, I think
> > I'd rather have a root canal without Novocain but
> > at least I sure feel a bunch better about top posting.
> >
> > L8r - Jersey
> >
> >
> >
> There is one jeep dealer in Ga. who does not play the price game One
> price thats it. Most new car dealers make their money from year end
> volume rebates, not off of the retail sales. The more they sell the
> higher their year end kick back .
>
protective coatings, gap insurance, window etch, etc.... That's a major
profit center for most dealerships.
Best regards,
Dave Rose
Cactus Cowboy
Big Wonderful Wyoming
'49 ****** Pickup (parts truck)
'62 ****** Pickup 4WD 226
'98 XJ Sport
O|||||||O
"Kevin" <Kevin@el.net> wrote in message
news:YPhhc.180023$JO3.102844@attbi_s04...
> Jersey wrote:
> > I don't believe I read through this whole post & didn't
> > learn crap about negotiating a deal with a sleaze ball
> > car sales man I just hate walking into a dealers, I think
> > I'd rather have a root canal without Novocain but
> > at least I sure feel a bunch better about top posting.
> >
> > L8r - Jersey
> >
> >
> >
> There is one jeep dealer in Ga. who does not play the price game One
> price thats it. Most new car dealers make their money from year end
> volume rebates, not off of the retail sales. The more they sell the
> higher their year end kick back .
>
04-21-2004, 01:30 AM
#385
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Posts: n/a
Re: question on jeep dealer refusing service.
Don't overlook the 'back end' - financing, extended service plans,
protective coatings, gap insurance, window etch, etc.... That's a major
profit center for most dealerships.
Best regards,
Dave Rose
Cactus Cowboy
Big Wonderful Wyoming
'49 ****** Pickup (parts truck)
'62 ****** Pickup 4WD 226
'98 XJ Sport
O|||||||O
"Kevin" <Kevin@el.net> wrote in message
news:YPhhc.180023$JO3.102844@attbi_s04...
> Jersey wrote:
> > I don't believe I read through this whole post & didn't
> > learn crap about negotiating a deal with a sleaze ball
> > car sales man I just hate walking into a dealers, I think
> > I'd rather have a root canal without Novocain but
> > at least I sure feel a bunch better about top posting.
> >
> > L8r - Jersey
> >
> >
> >
> There is one jeep dealer in Ga. who does not play the price game One
> price thats it. Most new car dealers make their money from year end
> volume rebates, not off of the retail sales. The more they sell the
> higher their year end kick back .
>
protective coatings, gap insurance, window etch, etc.... That's a major
profit center for most dealerships.
Best regards,
Dave Rose
Cactus Cowboy
Big Wonderful Wyoming
'49 ****** Pickup (parts truck)
'62 ****** Pickup 4WD 226
'98 XJ Sport
O|||||||O
"Kevin" <Kevin@el.net> wrote in message
news:YPhhc.180023$JO3.102844@attbi_s04...
> Jersey wrote:
> > I don't believe I read through this whole post & didn't
> > learn crap about negotiating a deal with a sleaze ball
> > car sales man I just hate walking into a dealers, I think
> > I'd rather have a root canal without Novocain but
> > at least I sure feel a bunch better about top posting.
> >
> > L8r - Jersey
> >
> >
> >
> There is one jeep dealer in Ga. who does not play the price game One
> price thats it. Most new car dealers make their money from year end
> volume rebates, not off of the retail sales. The more they sell the
> higher their year end kick back .
>
04-21-2004, 01:33 AM
#386
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Re: question on jeep dealer refusing service.
I can assure you that you'll still be negotiating trade-in value with this
dealer, if you have a trade. Not to mention financing. Why not negotiate
rate?
Best regards,
Dave Rose
Cactus Cowboy
Big Wonderful Wyoming
'49 ****** Pickup (parts truck)
'62 ****** Pickup 4WD 226
'98 XJ Sport
O|||||||O
"Kevin" <Kevin@el.net> wrote in message
news:YPhhc.180023$JO3.102844@attbi_s04...
> Jersey wrote:
> > I don't believe I read through this whole post & didn't
> > learn crap about negotiating a deal with a sleaze ball
> > car sales man I just hate walking into a dealers, I think
> > I'd rather have a root canal without Novocain but
> > at least I sure feel a bunch better about top posting.
> >
> > L8r - Jersey
> >
> >
> >
> There is one jeep dealer in Ga. who does not play the price game One
> price thats it. Most new car dealers make their money from year end
> volume rebates, not off of the retail sales. The more they sell the
> higher their year end kick back .
>
dealer, if you have a trade. Not to mention financing. Why not negotiate
rate?
Best regards,
Dave Rose
Cactus Cowboy
Big Wonderful Wyoming
'49 ****** Pickup (parts truck)
'62 ****** Pickup 4WD 226
'98 XJ Sport
O|||||||O
"Kevin" <Kevin@el.net> wrote in message
news:YPhhc.180023$JO3.102844@attbi_s04...
> Jersey wrote:
> > I don't believe I read through this whole post & didn't
> > learn crap about negotiating a deal with a sleaze ball
> > car sales man I just hate walking into a dealers, I think
> > I'd rather have a root canal without Novocain but
> > at least I sure feel a bunch better about top posting.
> >
> > L8r - Jersey
> >
> >
> >
> There is one jeep dealer in Ga. who does not play the price game One
> price thats it. Most new car dealers make their money from year end
> volume rebates, not off of the retail sales. The more they sell the
> higher their year end kick back .
>
04-21-2004, 01:33 AM
#387
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Posts: n/a
Re: question on jeep dealer refusing service.
I can assure you that you'll still be negotiating trade-in value with this
dealer, if you have a trade. Not to mention financing. Why not negotiate
rate?
Best regards,
Dave Rose
Cactus Cowboy
Big Wonderful Wyoming
'49 ****** Pickup (parts truck)
'62 ****** Pickup 4WD 226
'98 XJ Sport
O|||||||O
"Kevin" <Kevin@el.net> wrote in message
news:YPhhc.180023$JO3.102844@attbi_s04...
> Jersey wrote:
> > I don't believe I read through this whole post & didn't
> > learn crap about negotiating a deal with a sleaze ball
> > car sales man I just hate walking into a dealers, I think
> > I'd rather have a root canal without Novocain but
> > at least I sure feel a bunch better about top posting.
> >
> > L8r - Jersey
> >
> >
> >
> There is one jeep dealer in Ga. who does not play the price game One
> price thats it. Most new car dealers make their money from year end
> volume rebates, not off of the retail sales. The more they sell the
> higher their year end kick back .
>
dealer, if you have a trade. Not to mention financing. Why not negotiate
rate?
Best regards,
Dave Rose
Cactus Cowboy
Big Wonderful Wyoming
'49 ****** Pickup (parts truck)
'62 ****** Pickup 4WD 226
'98 XJ Sport
O|||||||O
"Kevin" <Kevin@el.net> wrote in message
news:YPhhc.180023$JO3.102844@attbi_s04...
> Jersey wrote:
> > I don't believe I read through this whole post & didn't
> > learn crap about negotiating a deal with a sleaze ball
> > car sales man I just hate walking into a dealers, I think
> > I'd rather have a root canal without Novocain but
> > at least I sure feel a bunch better about top posting.
> >
> > L8r - Jersey
> >
> >
> >
> There is one jeep dealer in Ga. who does not play the price game One
> price thats it. Most new car dealers make their money from year end
> volume rebates, not off of the retail sales. The more they sell the
> higher their year end kick back .
>
04-21-2004, 01:33 AM
#388
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: question on jeep dealer refusing service.
I can assure you that you'll still be negotiating trade-in value with this
dealer, if you have a trade. Not to mention financing. Why not negotiate
rate?
Best regards,
Dave Rose
Cactus Cowboy
Big Wonderful Wyoming
'49 ****** Pickup (parts truck)
'62 ****** Pickup 4WD 226
'98 XJ Sport
O|||||||O
"Kevin" <Kevin@el.net> wrote in message
news:YPhhc.180023$JO3.102844@attbi_s04...
> Jersey wrote:
> > I don't believe I read through this whole post & didn't
> > learn crap about negotiating a deal with a sleaze ball
> > car sales man I just hate walking into a dealers, I think
> > I'd rather have a root canal without Novocain but
> > at least I sure feel a bunch better about top posting.
> >
> > L8r - Jersey
> >
> >
> >
> There is one jeep dealer in Ga. who does not play the price game One
> price thats it. Most new car dealers make their money from year end
> volume rebates, not off of the retail sales. The more they sell the
> higher their year end kick back .
>
dealer, if you have a trade. Not to mention financing. Why not negotiate
rate?
Best regards,
Dave Rose
Cactus Cowboy
Big Wonderful Wyoming
'49 ****** Pickup (parts truck)
'62 ****** Pickup 4WD 226
'98 XJ Sport
O|||||||O
"Kevin" <Kevin@el.net> wrote in message
news:YPhhc.180023$JO3.102844@attbi_s04...
> Jersey wrote:
> > I don't believe I read through this whole post & didn't
> > learn crap about negotiating a deal with a sleaze ball
> > car sales man I just hate walking into a dealers, I think
> > I'd rather have a root canal without Novocain but
> > at least I sure feel a bunch better about top posting.
> >
> > L8r - Jersey
> >
> >
> >
> There is one jeep dealer in Ga. who does not play the price game One
> price thats it. Most new car dealers make their money from year end
> volume rebates, not off of the retail sales. The more they sell the
> higher their year end kick back .
>
04-21-2004, 01:33 AM
#389
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: question on jeep dealer refusing service.
I can assure you that you'll still be negotiating trade-in value with this
dealer, if you have a trade. Not to mention financing. Why not negotiate
rate?
Best regards,
Dave Rose
Cactus Cowboy
Big Wonderful Wyoming
'49 ****** Pickup (parts truck)
'62 ****** Pickup 4WD 226
'98 XJ Sport
O|||||||O
"Kevin" <Kevin@el.net> wrote in message
news:YPhhc.180023$JO3.102844@attbi_s04...
> Jersey wrote:
> > I don't believe I read through this whole post & didn't
> > learn crap about negotiating a deal with a sleaze ball
> > car sales man I just hate walking into a dealers, I think
> > I'd rather have a root canal without Novocain but
> > at least I sure feel a bunch better about top posting.
> >
> > L8r - Jersey
> >
> >
> >
> There is one jeep dealer in Ga. who does not play the price game One
> price thats it. Most new car dealers make their money from year end
> volume rebates, not off of the retail sales. The more they sell the
> higher their year end kick back .
>
dealer, if you have a trade. Not to mention financing. Why not negotiate
rate?
Best regards,
Dave Rose
Cactus Cowboy
Big Wonderful Wyoming
'49 ****** Pickup (parts truck)
'62 ****** Pickup 4WD 226
'98 XJ Sport
O|||||||O
"Kevin" <Kevin@el.net> wrote in message
news:YPhhc.180023$JO3.102844@attbi_s04...
> Jersey wrote:
> > I don't believe I read through this whole post & didn't
> > learn crap about negotiating a deal with a sleaze ball
> > car sales man I just hate walking into a dealers, I think
> > I'd rather have a root canal without Novocain but
> > at least I sure feel a bunch better about top posting.
> >
> > L8r - Jersey
> >
> >
> >
> There is one jeep dealer in Ga. who does not play the price game One
> price thats it. Most new car dealers make their money from year end
> volume rebates, not off of the retail sales. The more they sell the
> higher their year end kick back .
>
04-21-2004, 01:33 AM
#390
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Re: question on jeep dealer refusing service.
On Tue, 20 Apr 2004 22:41:47 -0600, "cactuscowboy"
<cactuscowboy@bresnan.net> wrote:
>you'll get your best deal by negotiating. Go in with a positive
>attitude. It's not game-playing, confrontation and personal attacks. It's
>business.
No. Car buying is all about game playing.
It's the customer, who does it once every few years versus a sales
person who does it numerous times per day.
I've arrived at the following procedure: if the first offer from the
dealer is silly, I walk right then. You're wasting my time.
---
Bob
<cactuscowboy@bresnan.net> wrote:
>you'll get your best deal by negotiating. Go in with a positive
>attitude. It's not game-playing, confrontation and personal attacks. It's
>business.
No. Car buying is all about game playing.
It's the customer, who does it once every few years versus a sales
person who does it numerous times per day.
I've arrived at the following procedure: if the first offer from the
dealer is silly, I walk right then. You're wasting my time.
---
Bob