Stupendous Man

This is why i will only use a strap for a minor pull, and the winch for
tough ones.
What kind of winch were you using that crapped out?
--
Stupendous Man,
Defender of Freedom, Advocate of Liberty

KJ.Kate

My husband says:
Dang! That's Sierra Frikkin Delta!



"4X4PLAY" <jrhiltz@eastlink.ca> wrote in message
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: unfortunately I didn't take any pics of the strap with the doweling in
it...
:
: Jeff
: "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
: news:43AABDD7.AB500FFC@sympatico.ca...
: > Get any photos?
: >
: > Mike
: >
: > 4X4PLAY wrote:
: >>
: >> I appreciate all the responses folks...
: >>
: >> On Sunday myself and a couple friends went out for some snow wheelin'
and
: >> seemed to have all the traction in the world even in the deepest of
: >> snow...so we decided to venture into what we call the rail
system...it's
: >> a
: >> very old trail that has worn ruts that you'll drag your pumpkins over
on
: >> 33's (when there's NO snow!)...my buddies (a YJ and a XJ) both on 35's
: >> were
: >> struggling but making it...I on the other hand (33's) got half way into
: >> the
: >> trail and spent 90% of the time high centered enough that the wheels
: >> would
: >> hardly touch the ground if they would at all....I winched my way
forward
: >> a
: >> couple times till the winch gave out for the night (mind you it was day
: >> when
: >> we entered)...I then was taking tugs from my friend in his XJ and it
got
: >> worse and harder to pull me through...kind of like taking the axles off
: >> and
: >> trying to pull the Jeep through snow ice and mud... the 20' strap
wasn't
: >> long enough so we attached two 20' X 2" 30,000lb straps together with a
: >> wooden dowel exactly like in Steve's illustration... after a couple
: >> serious
: >> HARD pulls to get me going, the strap snapped on my side of the dowel
and
: >> the strap with the dowel still attached raced it's way through the back
: >> window of the XJ and all the way through to smash the front as well...
: >> fortunately no one was hurt... I'm not sure if I ever will do it
: >> again...I'll spend the money and put two together permanently... It
just
: >> makes me think that in all the clubs, where family are out and these
: >> methods
: >> are practiced with family members in the vehicle...it makes me think
that
: >> the guy in Michigan isn't the only person that has died this way.
: >> Just the strap alone that flew back at my Jeep caved in my front grill
: >> nicely right next to the drivers headlight...I couldn't imagine what
: >> would
: >> have happened had the strap broke on the other side of the dowel...it
: >> prolly
: >> would have to come right back through my windshield and killed me.
: >> anyways back to the trail...we then put two new straps together and
: >> ripped
: >> his heavy custom bumper right out of the frame (no rust in sight) on
the
: >> passenger side...we wound up letting the YJ pull me backwards as we
: >> fought
: >> our way back out of the trail in reverse with our tails between our
: >> legs...
: >>
: >> Jeff
: >>
: >> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
: >> news:43A9C3ED.8E940D9A@sympatico.ca...
: >> > You know Jeff, that link you are showing the unsafe use of a dowel as
a
: >> > mechanical part of the link appears to be written or copywrited
anyway
: >> > by a John Cranfield, the same gent who lost his eye from the unsafe
use
: >> > of a high lift jack.
: >> >
: >> > Seems he likes to live dangerously....
: >> >
: >> > This is the safe way: http://xjeep.dyndns.org/slipstrap.jpg
: >> >
: >> > Mike
: >> >
: >> > 4X4PLAY wrote:
: >> >>
: >> >> Hey Mike... if the strap breaks the dowel will still fly right?? or
is
: >> >> it
: >> >> a
: >> >> 50/50 thing that it may fall out??
: >> >>
: >> >> is this the way you say to attach them??
: >> >>
: >> >> http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/6200/dowel19lo.jpg
: >> >>
: >> >> Thanks for the responses guys...I just wanna make sure that I can be
: >> >> the
: >> >> safest I can be on the trail...I'll explain why in my next post...
: >> >>
: >> >> Jeff
: >> >>
: >> >> <rootwofake@yahoo.com> wrote in message
: >> >> news:1135114567.761779.139060@g49g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
: >> >> >
: >> >> > 4X4PLAY wrote:
: >> >> >> Any safer means of attaching two straps together, than with a
: >> >> >> wooden
: >> >> >> doweling and still be able to get them apart??
: >> >> >>
: >> >> >
: >> >> > Although it's usually used for rope, a Zeppelin Bend or Rosendahl
: >> >> > Bend
: >> >> > (same knot) will fit the bill:
: >> >> >
: >> >> > http://www.geocities.com/roo_two/Zeppelin.html
: >> >> >
:
:

KJ.Kate

My husband says:
Dang! That's Sierra Frikkin Delta!



"4X4PLAY" <jrhiltz@eastlink.ca> wrote in message
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:
: unfortunately I didn't take any pics of the strap with the doweling in
it...
:
: Jeff
: "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
: news:43AABDD7.AB500FFC@sympatico.ca...
: > Get any photos?
: >
: > Mike
: >
: > 4X4PLAY wrote:
: >>
: >> I appreciate all the responses folks...
: >>
: >> On Sunday myself and a couple friends went out for some snow wheelin'
and
: >> seemed to have all the traction in the world even in the deepest of
: >> snow...so we decided to venture into what we call the rail
system...it's
: >> a
: >> very old trail that has worn ruts that you'll drag your pumpkins over
on
: >> 33's (when there's NO snow!)...my buddies (a YJ and a XJ) both on 35's
: >> were
: >> struggling but making it...I on the other hand (33's) got half way into
: >> the
: >> trail and spent 90% of the time high centered enough that the wheels
: >> would
: >> hardly touch the ground if they would at all....I winched my way
forward
: >> a
: >> couple times till the winch gave out for the night (mind you it was day
: >> when
: >> we entered)...I then was taking tugs from my friend in his XJ and it
got
: >> worse and harder to pull me through...kind of like taking the axles off
: >> and
: >> trying to pull the Jeep through snow ice and mud... the 20' strap
wasn't
: >> long enough so we attached two 20' X 2" 30,000lb straps together with a
: >> wooden dowel exactly like in Steve's illustration... after a couple
: >> serious
: >> HARD pulls to get me going, the strap snapped on my side of the dowel
and
: >> the strap with the dowel still attached raced it's way through the back
: >> window of the XJ and all the way through to smash the front as well...
: >> fortunately no one was hurt... I'm not sure if I ever will do it
: >> again...I'll spend the money and put two together permanently... It
just
: >> makes me think that in all the clubs, where family are out and these
: >> methods
: >> are practiced with family members in the vehicle...it makes me think
that
: >> the guy in Michigan isn't the only person that has died this way.
: >> Just the strap alone that flew back at my Jeep caved in my front grill
: >> nicely right next to the drivers headlight...I couldn't imagine what
: >> would
: >> have happened had the strap broke on the other side of the dowel...it
: >> prolly
: >> would have to come right back through my windshield and killed me.
: >> anyways back to the trail...we then put two new straps together and
: >> ripped
: >> his heavy custom bumper right out of the frame (no rust in sight) on
the
: >> passenger side...we wound up letting the YJ pull me backwards as we
: >> fought
: >> our way back out of the trail in reverse with our tails between our
: >> legs...
: >>
: >> Jeff
: >>
: >> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
: >> news:43A9C3ED.8E940D9A@sympatico.ca...
: >> > You know Jeff, that link you are showing the unsafe use of a dowel as
a
: >> > mechanical part of the link appears to be written or copywrited
anyway
: >> > by a John Cranfield, the same gent who lost his eye from the unsafe
use
: >> > of a high lift jack.
: >> >
: >> > Seems he likes to live dangerously....
: >> >
: >> > This is the safe way: http://xjeep.dyndns.org/slipstrap.jpg
: >> >
: >> > Mike
: >> >
: >> > 4X4PLAY wrote:
: >> >>
: >> >> Hey Mike... if the strap breaks the dowel will still fly right?? or
is
: >> >> it
: >> >> a
: >> >> 50/50 thing that it may fall out??
: >> >>
: >> >> is this the way you say to attach them??
: >> >>
: >> >> http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/6200/dowel19lo.jpg
: >> >>
: >> >> Thanks for the responses guys...I just wanna make sure that I can be
: >> >> the
: >> >> safest I can be on the trail...I'll explain why in my next post...
: >> >>
: >> >> Jeff
: >> >>
: >> >> <rootwofake@yahoo.com> wrote in message
: >> >> news:1135114567.761779.139060@g49g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
: >> >> >
: >> >> > 4X4PLAY wrote:
: >> >> >> Any safer means of attaching two straps together, than with a
: >> >> >> wooden
: >> >> >> doweling and still be able to get them apart??
: >> >> >>
: >> >> >
: >> >> > Although it's usually used for rope, a Zeppelin Bend or Rosendahl
: >> >> > Bend
: >> >> > (same knot) will fit the bill:
: >> >> >
: >> >> > http://www.geocities.com/roo_two/Zeppelin.html
: >> >> >
:
:

KJ.Kate

My husband says:
Dang! That's Sierra Frikkin Delta!



"4X4PLAY" <jrhiltz@eastlink.ca> wrote in message
news:IcAqf.2482$km.597@edtnps89...
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: http://img305.imageshack.us/my.php?i...10100326iw.jpg
:
: http://img305.imageshack.us/full.php...10100342lh.jpg
:
: http://img305.imageshack.us/full.php...10100351iv.jpg
:
: http://img305.imageshack.us/my.php?i...10100375ye.jpg
:
: http://img305.imageshack.us/full.php...10100395is.jpg
:
: unfortunately I didn't take any pics of the strap with the doweling in
it...
:
: Jeff
: "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
: news:43AABDD7.AB500FFC@sympatico.ca...
: > Get any photos?
: >
: > Mike
: >
: > 4X4PLAY wrote:
: >>
: >> I appreciate all the responses folks...
: >>
: >> On Sunday myself and a couple friends went out for some snow wheelin'
and
: >> seemed to have all the traction in the world even in the deepest of
: >> snow...so we decided to venture into what we call the rail
system...it's
: >> a
: >> very old trail that has worn ruts that you'll drag your pumpkins over
on
: >> 33's (when there's NO snow!)...my buddies (a YJ and a XJ) both on 35's
: >> were
: >> struggling but making it...I on the other hand (33's) got half way into
: >> the
: >> trail and spent 90% of the time high centered enough that the wheels
: >> would
: >> hardly touch the ground if they would at all....I winched my way
forward
: >> a
: >> couple times till the winch gave out for the night (mind you it was day
: >> when
: >> we entered)...I then was taking tugs from my friend in his XJ and it
got
: >> worse and harder to pull me through...kind of like taking the axles off
: >> and
: >> trying to pull the Jeep through snow ice and mud... the 20' strap
wasn't
: >> long enough so we attached two 20' X 2" 30,000lb straps together with a
: >> wooden dowel exactly like in Steve's illustration... after a couple
: >> serious
: >> HARD pulls to get me going, the strap snapped on my side of the dowel
and
: >> the strap with the dowel still attached raced it's way through the back
: >> window of the XJ and all the way through to smash the front as well...
: >> fortunately no one was hurt... I'm not sure if I ever will do it
: >> again...I'll spend the money and put two together permanently... It
just
: >> makes me think that in all the clubs, where family are out and these
: >> methods
: >> are practiced with family members in the vehicle...it makes me think
that
: >> the guy in Michigan isn't the only person that has died this way.
: >> Just the strap alone that flew back at my Jeep caved in my front grill
: >> nicely right next to the drivers headlight...I couldn't imagine what
: >> would
: >> have happened had the strap broke on the other side of the dowel...it
: >> prolly
: >> would have to come right back through my windshield and killed me.
: >> anyways back to the trail...we then put two new straps together and
: >> ripped
: >> his heavy custom bumper right out of the frame (no rust in sight) on
the
: >> passenger side...we wound up letting the YJ pull me backwards as we
: >> fought
: >> our way back out of the trail in reverse with our tails between our
: >> legs...
: >>
: >> Jeff
: >>
: >> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
: >> news:43A9C3ED.8E940D9A@sympatico.ca...
: >> > You know Jeff, that link you are showing the unsafe use of a dowel as
a
: >> > mechanical part of the link appears to be written or copywrited
anyway
: >> > by a John Cranfield, the same gent who lost his eye from the unsafe
use
: >> > of a high lift jack.
: >> >
: >> > Seems he likes to live dangerously....
: >> >
: >> > This is the safe way: http://xjeep.dyndns.org/slipstrap.jpg
: >> >
: >> > Mike
: >> >
: >> > 4X4PLAY wrote:
: >> >>
: >> >> Hey Mike... if the strap breaks the dowel will still fly right?? or
is
: >> >> it
: >> >> a
: >> >> 50/50 thing that it may fall out??
: >> >>
: >> >> is this the way you say to attach them??
: >> >>
: >> >> http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/6200/dowel19lo.jpg
: >> >>
: >> >> Thanks for the responses guys...I just wanna make sure that I can be
: >> >> the
: >> >> safest I can be on the trail...I'll explain why in my next post...
: >> >>
: >> >> Jeff
: >> >>
: >> >> <rootwofake@yahoo.com> wrote in message
: >> >> news:1135114567.761779.139060@g49g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
: >> >> >
: >> >> > 4X4PLAY wrote:
: >> >> >> Any safer means of attaching two straps together, than with a
: >> >> >> wooden
: >> >> >> doweling and still be able to get them apart??
: >> >> >>
: >> >> >
: >> >> > Although it's usually used for rope, a Zeppelin Bend or Rosendahl
: >> >> > Bend
: >> >> > (same knot) will fit the bill:
: >> >> >
: >> >> > http://www.geocities.com/roo_two/Zeppelin.html
: >> >> >
:
:

Will Honea

Just my perspective, but 95% of what I use the strap for only needs
15-20 feet of length and that's more than is fun to handle when it's
wet, cold, and muddy. Usually, anything more than 20-30 feet of strap
would just get in the way (and stretch further than most straight runs
on these mountain roads).

On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 05:08:57 UTC "KJ.Kate" <KJ.Kate@WhoseHotMail.com>
wrote:

> Got it Will...
> just curious, why not just carry a longer strap? DO they not make longer
> ones?
>
>
> "Will Honea" <whonea@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:JxX2tWiP5BNp-pn2-C5HzqNgsPpWH@anon.none.net...
> : Kate, picture it this way: tie a loop in the end of two ropes.
> : Thread the ropes through the opposite loops so that they form
> : something like a figure-8 and link the ropes together. Now, in the
> : middle of the loops, poke a stick. The first thing you notice is that
> : it's a PITA to keep the stick from just falling out until you pull
> : hard enough on each rope to tighten the ropes against the stick.
> : That's the key. If the ropes break at the join, the stick just falls
> : out since nothing is holding it to either rope, just the pressure
> : between them keeps it there. The other side is that if one of the
> : ropes breaks in the middle away from the join, then the broken end of
> : the rope will be what goes flying, not the stick and knot. Finally,
> : if that stick should happen to get tossed, it has a whole lot less
> : mass than a metal ring with which to rearrange your hairdo. The only
> : purpose for the stick is to pry the knot loose once you are done
> : pulling.
> :
> : On Wed, 21 Dec 2005 18:40:17 UTC "KJ.Kate" <KJ.Kate@WhoseHotMail.com>
> : wrote:
> :
> : > It's good to see someone passsionate about safety.
> : > Hubs is a safety nut too, yeas as an Operating Engineer has him very
> : > contientious about such things.
> : >
> : > Sorry if I yanked a knot in your tail.
> : > BUT
> : > If I hadn't, think of all the things I might have never learned :)
> : > Thanks for the clarification!
> : >
> : > Personally, I am prone to asking a ton of questions and learning as much
> as
> : > I can from those who have been there before I have. In the case of
> straps
> : > like these, I have no clue so am soaking up as much information as I
> can.
> : >
> : > Now I have really learned soemthing but I am still not so sure about
> putting
> : > a stick in the middle. Be it a chunk of hickory or whatever in the
> middle.
> : > It still sounds dangerous.
> : >
> : > KJK
> : >
> : > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> : > news:43A99192.518743CA@sympatico.ca...
> : > : Sorry about getting all worked up there, I have just seen too many
> dumb
> : > : things when it come to proper gear use....
> : > :
> : > : He is using construction straps or slings then.
> : > :
> : > : These are a 'totally' different animal than the 'elastic band' type of
> : > : ****** strap that is normally seen off road.
> : > :
> : > : They are like a chain or tow strap with no give and a shackle or
> D-ring
> : > : is fine to use with them, proper even. :-)
> : > :
> : > : Our straps stretch like crazy when trying to pull someone out of mud
> and
> : > : never come up hard so the kinetic energy stored in them is massive.
> : > :
> : > : Mike
> : > :
> : > : "KJ.Kate" wrote:
> : > : >
> : > : > Easy there big boy....
> : > : > Don't get all shook up.
> : > : >
> : > : > I understand the theory and the logic, as does my husband.
> : > : > I was just tossing in another opinion, that was offered from over my
> : > : > shoulder.
> : > : >
> : > : > Keep in mind, that the slings that he (my husband uses) are in heavy
> : > : > construction. Much larger than anything any of us would use, and for
> : > : > different purposes such as lifting as with a crane, not pulling.
> : > : >
> : > : > KJK
> : > : >
> : > : > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> : > : > news:43A97566.9F6CAFE5@sympatico.ca...
> : > : > : "KJ.Kate" wrote:
> : > : > : >
> : > : > : > "Carl" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
> : > : > : > news:_4udnRaovYetHDreRVn-uQ@comcast.com...
> : > : > : > : D-shackle, if they have loop ends.
> : > : > : > :
> : > : > : > : Carl
> : > : > : >
> : > : > : > That's what my husband says too.
> : > : > : > He says it is the 'approved method' of joining two straps
> together.
> : > : > : >
> : > : > : > KJK
> : > : > :
> : > : > : That is THE 'most' dangerous way to do it and would never be
> allowed
> : > on
> : > : > : any organized run or any RAMJ+W (newsgroup) run we put on.
> : > : > :
> : > : > : If one strap breaks, the D-ring 'will' go ballistic and it can go
> : > : > : through the windshield, then through the driver, then through the
> seat
> : > : > : and out the back window. People get killed that way.
> : > : > :
> : > : > : See:
> : > : > :
> http://www.southernhighrollers.com/t..._miss_from.htm
> : > : > :
> : > : > : Why is it so difficult for folks to just use the loops provided to
> put
> : > : > : the two straps together????? It is simple and idiot proof and not
> : > : > : likely to fail with deadly results.
> : > : > :
> : > : > : See: http://xjeep.dyndns.org/slipstrap.jpg
> : > : > :
> : > : > : Mike
> : > : > : 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> : > : > : 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> : > : > : Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> : > : > : Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
> : > : > : (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> : >
> : >
> :
> :
> : --
> : Will Honea
>
>


--
Will Honea

Will Honea

Just my perspective, but 95% of what I use the strap for only needs
15-20 feet of length and that's more than is fun to handle when it's
wet, cold, and muddy. Usually, anything more than 20-30 feet of strap
would just get in the way (and stretch further than most straight runs
on these mountain roads).

On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 05:08:57 UTC "KJ.Kate" <KJ.Kate@WhoseHotMail.com>
wrote:

> Got it Will...
> just curious, why not just carry a longer strap? DO they not make longer
> ones?
>
>
> "Will Honea" <whonea@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:JxX2tWiP5BNp-pn2-C5HzqNgsPpWH@anon.none.net...
> : Kate, picture it this way: tie a loop in the end of two ropes.
> : Thread the ropes through the opposite loops so that they form
> : something like a figure-8 and link the ropes together. Now, in the
> : middle of the loops, poke a stick. The first thing you notice is that
> : it's a PITA to keep the stick from just falling out until you pull
> : hard enough on each rope to tighten the ropes against the stick.
> : That's the key. If the ropes break at the join, the stick just falls
> : out since nothing is holding it to either rope, just the pressure
> : between them keeps it there. The other side is that if one of the
> : ropes breaks in the middle away from the join, then the broken end of
> : the rope will be what goes flying, not the stick and knot. Finally,
> : if that stick should happen to get tossed, it has a whole lot less
> : mass than a metal ring with which to rearrange your hairdo. The only
> : purpose for the stick is to pry the knot loose once you are done
> : pulling.
> :
> : On Wed, 21 Dec 2005 18:40:17 UTC "KJ.Kate" <KJ.Kate@WhoseHotMail.com>
> : wrote:
> :
> : > It's good to see someone passsionate about safety.
> : > Hubs is a safety nut too, yeas as an Operating Engineer has him very
> : > contientious about such things.
> : >
> : > Sorry if I yanked a knot in your tail.
> : > BUT
> : > If I hadn't, think of all the things I might have never learned :)
> : > Thanks for the clarification!
> : >
> : > Personally, I am prone to asking a ton of questions and learning as much
> as
> : > I can from those who have been there before I have. In the case of
> straps
> : > like these, I have no clue so am soaking up as much information as I
> can.
> : >
> : > Now I have really learned soemthing but I am still not so sure about
> putting
> : > a stick in the middle. Be it a chunk of hickory or whatever in the
> middle.
> : > It still sounds dangerous.
> : >
> : > KJK
> : >
> : > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> : > news:43A99192.518743CA@sympatico.ca...
> : > : Sorry about getting all worked up there, I have just seen too many
> dumb
> : > : things when it come to proper gear use....
> : > :
> : > : He is using construction straps or slings then.
> : > :
> : > : These are a 'totally' different animal than the 'elastic band' type of
> : > : ****** strap that is normally seen off road.
> : > :
> : > : They are like a chain or tow strap with no give and a shackle or
> D-ring
> : > : is fine to use with them, proper even. :-)
> : > :
> : > : Our straps stretch like crazy when trying to pull someone out of mud
> and
> : > : never come up hard so the kinetic energy stored in them is massive.
> : > :
> : > : Mike
> : > :
> : > : "KJ.Kate" wrote:
> : > : >
> : > : > Easy there big boy....
> : > : > Don't get all shook up.
> : > : >
> : > : > I understand the theory and the logic, as does my husband.
> : > : > I was just tossing in another opinion, that was offered from over my
> : > : > shoulder.
> : > : >
> : > : > Keep in mind, that the slings that he (my husband uses) are in heavy
> : > : > construction. Much larger than anything any of us would use, and for
> : > : > different purposes such as lifting as with a crane, not pulling.
> : > : >
> : > : > KJK
> : > : >
> : > : > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> : > : > news:43A97566.9F6CAFE5@sympatico.ca...
> : > : > : "KJ.Kate" wrote:
> : > : > : >
> : > : > : > "Carl" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
> : > : > : > news:_4udnRaovYetHDreRVn-uQ@comcast.com...
> : > : > : > : D-shackle, if they have loop ends.
> : > : > : > :
> : > : > : > : Carl
> : > : > : >
> : > : > : > That's what my husband says too.
> : > : > : > He says it is the 'approved method' of joining two straps
> together.
> : > : > : >
> : > : > : > KJK
> : > : > :
> : > : > : That is THE 'most' dangerous way to do it and would never be
> allowed
> : > on
> : > : > : any organized run or any RAMJ+W (newsgroup) run we put on.
> : > : > :
> : > : > : If one strap breaks, the D-ring 'will' go ballistic and it can go
> : > : > : through the windshield, then through the driver, then through the
> seat
> : > : > : and out the back window. People get killed that way.
> : > : > :
> : > : > : See:
> : > : > :
> http://www.southernhighrollers.com/t..._miss_from.htm
> : > : > :
> : > : > : Why is it so difficult for folks to just use the loops provided to
> put
> : > : > : the two straps together????? It is simple and idiot proof and not
> : > : > : likely to fail with deadly results.
> : > : > :
> : > : > : See: http://xjeep.dyndns.org/slipstrap.jpg
> : > : > :
> : > : > : Mike
> : > : > : 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> : > : > : 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> : > : > : Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> : > : > : Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
> : > : > : (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> : >
> : >
> :
> :
> : --
> : Will Honea
>
>


--
Will Honea

Will Honea

Just my perspective, but 95% of what I use the strap for only needs
15-20 feet of length and that's more than is fun to handle when it's
wet, cold, and muddy. Usually, anything more than 20-30 feet of strap
would just get in the way (and stretch further than most straight runs
on these mountain roads).

On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 05:08:57 UTC "KJ.Kate" <KJ.Kate@WhoseHotMail.com>
wrote:

> Got it Will...
> just curious, why not just carry a longer strap? DO they not make longer
> ones?
>
>
> "Will Honea" <whonea@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:JxX2tWiP5BNp-pn2-C5HzqNgsPpWH@anon.none.net...
> : Kate, picture it this way: tie a loop in the end of two ropes.
> : Thread the ropes through the opposite loops so that they form
> : something like a figure-8 and link the ropes together. Now, in the
> : middle of the loops, poke a stick. The first thing you notice is that
> : it's a PITA to keep the stick from just falling out until you pull
> : hard enough on each rope to tighten the ropes against the stick.
> : That's the key. If the ropes break at the join, the stick just falls
> : out since nothing is holding it to either rope, just the pressure
> : between them keeps it there. The other side is that if one of the
> : ropes breaks in the middle away from the join, then the broken end of
> : the rope will be what goes flying, not the stick and knot. Finally,
> : if that stick should happen to get tossed, it has a whole lot less
> : mass than a metal ring with which to rearrange your hairdo. The only
> : purpose for the stick is to pry the knot loose once you are done
> : pulling.
> :
> : On Wed, 21 Dec 2005 18:40:17 UTC "KJ.Kate" <KJ.Kate@WhoseHotMail.com>
> : wrote:
> :
> : > It's good to see someone passsionate about safety.
> : > Hubs is a safety nut too, yeas as an Operating Engineer has him very
> : > contientious about such things.
> : >
> : > Sorry if I yanked a knot in your tail.
> : > BUT
> : > If I hadn't, think of all the things I might have never learned :)
> : > Thanks for the clarification!
> : >
> : > Personally, I am prone to asking a ton of questions and learning as much
> as
> : > I can from those who have been there before I have. In the case of
> straps
> : > like these, I have no clue so am soaking up as much information as I
> can.
> : >
> : > Now I have really learned soemthing but I am still not so sure about
> putting
> : > a stick in the middle. Be it a chunk of hickory or whatever in the
> middle.
> : > It still sounds dangerous.
> : >
> : > KJK
> : >
> : > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> : > news:43A99192.518743CA@sympatico.ca...
> : > : Sorry about getting all worked up there, I have just seen too many
> dumb
> : > : things when it come to proper gear use....
> : > :
> : > : He is using construction straps or slings then.
> : > :
> : > : These are a 'totally' different animal than the 'elastic band' type of
> : > : ****** strap that is normally seen off road.
> : > :
> : > : They are like a chain or tow strap with no give and a shackle or
> D-ring
> : > : is fine to use with them, proper even. :-)
> : > :
> : > : Our straps stretch like crazy when trying to pull someone out of mud
> and
> : > : never come up hard so the kinetic energy stored in them is massive.
> : > :
> : > : Mike
> : > :
> : > : "KJ.Kate" wrote:
> : > : >
> : > : > Easy there big boy....
> : > : > Don't get all shook up.
> : > : >
> : > : > I understand the theory and the logic, as does my husband.
> : > : > I was just tossing in another opinion, that was offered from over my
> : > : > shoulder.
> : > : >
> : > : > Keep in mind, that the slings that he (my husband uses) are in heavy
> : > : > construction. Much larger than anything any of us would use, and for
> : > : > different purposes such as lifting as with a crane, not pulling.
> : > : >
> : > : > KJK
> : > : >
> : > : > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> : > : > news:43A97566.9F6CAFE5@sympatico.ca...
> : > : > : "KJ.Kate" wrote:
> : > : > : >
> : > : > : > "Carl" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
> : > : > : > news:_4udnRaovYetHDreRVn-uQ@comcast.com...
> : > : > : > : D-shackle, if they have loop ends.
> : > : > : > :
> : > : > : > : Carl
> : > : > : >
> : > : > : > That's what my husband says too.
> : > : > : > He says it is the 'approved method' of joining two straps
> together.
> : > : > : >
> : > : > : > KJK
> : > : > :
> : > : > : That is THE 'most' dangerous way to do it and would never be
> allowed
> : > on
> : > : > : any organized run or any RAMJ+W (newsgroup) run we put on.
> : > : > :
> : > : > : If one strap breaks, the D-ring 'will' go ballistic and it can go
> : > : > : through the windshield, then through the driver, then through the
> seat
> : > : > : and out the back window. People get killed that way.
> : > : > :
> : > : > : See:
> : > : > :
> http://www.southernhighrollers.com/t..._miss_from.htm
> : > : > :
> : > : > : Why is it so difficult for folks to just use the loops provided to
> put
> : > : > : the two straps together????? It is simple and idiot proof and not
> : > : > : likely to fail with deadly results.
> : > : > :
> : > : > : See: http://xjeep.dyndns.org/slipstrap.jpg
> : > : > :
> : > : > : Mike
> : > : > : 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> : > : > : 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> : > : > : Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> : > : > : Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
> : > : > : (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> : >
> : >
> :
> :
> : --
> : Will Honea
>
>


--
Will Honea

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

Then you ain't stuck.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Will Honea wrote:
>
> Just my perspective, but 95% of what I use the strap for only needs
> 15-20 feet of length and that's more than is fun to handle when it's
> wet, cold, and muddy. Usually, anything more than 20-30 feet of strap
> would just get in the way (and stretch further than most straight runs
> on these mountain roads).

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

Then you ain't stuck.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Will Honea wrote:
>
> Just my perspective, but 95% of what I use the strap for only needs
> 15-20 feet of length and that's more than is fun to handle when it's
> wet, cold, and muddy. Usually, anything more than 20-30 feet of strap
> would just get in the way (and stretch further than most straight runs
> on these mountain roads).

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

Then you ain't stuck.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

Will Honea wrote:
>
> Just my perspective, but 95% of what I use the strap for only needs
> 15-20 feet of length and that's more than is fun to handle when it's
> wet, cold, and muddy. Usually, anything more than 20-30 feet of strap
> would just get in the way (and stretch further than most straight runs
> on these mountain roads).