Putting two tow straps together???
#131
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Putting two tow straps together???
Kate, picture it this way: tie a loop in the end of two ropes.
Thread the ropes through the opposite loops so that they form
something like a figure-8 and link the ropes together. Now, in the
middle of the loops, poke a stick. The first thing you notice is that
it's a PITA to keep the stick from just falling out until you pull
hard enough on each rope to tighten the ropes against the stick.
That's the key. If the ropes break at the join, the stick just falls
out since nothing is holding it to either rope, just the pressure
between them keeps it there. The other side is that if one of the
ropes breaks in the middle away from the join, then the broken end of
the rope will be what goes flying, not the stick and knot. Finally,
if that stick should happen to get tossed, it has a whole lot less
mass than a metal ring with which to rearrange your hairdo. The only
purpose for the stick is to pry the knot loose once you are done
pulling.
On Wed, 21 Dec 2005 18:40:17 UTC "KJ.Kate" <KJ.Kate@WhoseHotMail.com>
wrote:
> It's good to see someone passsionate about safety.
> Hubs is a safety nut too, yeas as an Operating Engineer has him very
> contientious about such things.
>
> Sorry if I yanked a knot in your tail.
> BUT
> If I hadn't, think of all the things I might have never learned :)
> Thanks for the clarification!
>
> Personally, I am prone to asking a ton of questions and learning as much as
> I can from those who have been there before I have. In the case of straps
> like these, I have no clue so am soaking up as much information as I can.
>
> Now I have really learned soemthing but I am still not so sure about putting
> a stick in the middle. Be it a chunk of hickory or whatever in the middle.
> It still sounds dangerous.
>
> KJK
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:43A99192.518743CA@sympatico.ca...
> : Sorry about getting all worked up there, I have just seen too many dumb
> : things when it come to proper gear use....
> :
> : He is using construction straps or slings then.
> :
> : These are a 'totally' different animal than the 'elastic band' type of
> : ****** strap that is normally seen off road.
> :
> : They are like a chain or tow strap with no give and a shackle or D-ring
> : is fine to use with them, proper even. :-)
> :
> : Our straps stretch like crazy when trying to pull someone out of mud and
> : never come up hard so the kinetic energy stored in them is massive.
> :
> : Mike
> :
> : "KJ.Kate" wrote:
> : >
> : > Easy there big boy....
> : > Don't get all shook up.
> : >
> : > I understand the theory and the logic, as does my husband.
> : > I was just tossing in another opinion, that was offered from over my
> : > shoulder.
> : >
> : > Keep in mind, that the slings that he (my husband uses) are in heavy
> : > construction. Much larger than anything any of us would use, and for
> : > different purposes such as lifting as with a crane, not pulling.
> : >
> : > KJK
> : >
> : > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> : > news:43A97566.9F6CAFE5@sympatico.ca...
> : > : "KJ.Kate" wrote:
> : > : >
> : > : > "Carl" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
> : > : > news:_4udnRaovYetHDreRVn-uQ@comcast.com...
> : > : > : D-shackle, if they have loop ends.
> : > : > :
> : > : > : Carl
> : > : >
> : > : > That's what my husband says too.
> : > : > He says it is the 'approved method' of joining two straps together.
> : > : >
> : > : > KJK
> : > :
> : > : That is THE 'most' dangerous way to do it and would never be allowed
> on
> : > : any organized run or any RAMJ+W (newsgroup) run we put on.
> : > :
> : > : If one strap breaks, the D-ring 'will' go ballistic and it can go
> : > : through the windshield, then through the driver, then through the seat
> : > : and out the back window. People get killed that way.
> : > :
> : > : See:
> : > : http://www.southernhighrollers.com/t..._miss_from.htm
> : > :
> : > : Why is it so difficult for folks to just use the loops provided to put
> : > : the two straps together????? It is simple and idiot proof and not
> : > : likely to fail with deadly results.
> : > :
> : > : See: http://xjeep.dyndns.org/slipstrap.jpg
> : > :
> : > : Mike
> : > : 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> : > : 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> : > : Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> : > : Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
> : > : (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
>
--
Will Honea
Thread the ropes through the opposite loops so that they form
something like a figure-8 and link the ropes together. Now, in the
middle of the loops, poke a stick. The first thing you notice is that
it's a PITA to keep the stick from just falling out until you pull
hard enough on each rope to tighten the ropes against the stick.
That's the key. If the ropes break at the join, the stick just falls
out since nothing is holding it to either rope, just the pressure
between them keeps it there. The other side is that if one of the
ropes breaks in the middle away from the join, then the broken end of
the rope will be what goes flying, not the stick and knot. Finally,
if that stick should happen to get tossed, it has a whole lot less
mass than a metal ring with which to rearrange your hairdo. The only
purpose for the stick is to pry the knot loose once you are done
pulling.
On Wed, 21 Dec 2005 18:40:17 UTC "KJ.Kate" <KJ.Kate@WhoseHotMail.com>
wrote:
> It's good to see someone passsionate about safety.
> Hubs is a safety nut too, yeas as an Operating Engineer has him very
> contientious about such things.
>
> Sorry if I yanked a knot in your tail.
> BUT
> If I hadn't, think of all the things I might have never learned :)
> Thanks for the clarification!
>
> Personally, I am prone to asking a ton of questions and learning as much as
> I can from those who have been there before I have. In the case of straps
> like these, I have no clue so am soaking up as much information as I can.
>
> Now I have really learned soemthing but I am still not so sure about putting
> a stick in the middle. Be it a chunk of hickory or whatever in the middle.
> It still sounds dangerous.
>
> KJK
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:43A99192.518743CA@sympatico.ca...
> : Sorry about getting all worked up there, I have just seen too many dumb
> : things when it come to proper gear use....
> :
> : He is using construction straps or slings then.
> :
> : These are a 'totally' different animal than the 'elastic band' type of
> : ****** strap that is normally seen off road.
> :
> : They are like a chain or tow strap with no give and a shackle or D-ring
> : is fine to use with them, proper even. :-)
> :
> : Our straps stretch like crazy when trying to pull someone out of mud and
> : never come up hard so the kinetic energy stored in them is massive.
> :
> : Mike
> :
> : "KJ.Kate" wrote:
> : >
> : > Easy there big boy....
> : > Don't get all shook up.
> : >
> : > I understand the theory and the logic, as does my husband.
> : > I was just tossing in another opinion, that was offered from over my
> : > shoulder.
> : >
> : > Keep in mind, that the slings that he (my husband uses) are in heavy
> : > construction. Much larger than anything any of us would use, and for
> : > different purposes such as lifting as with a crane, not pulling.
> : >
> : > KJK
> : >
> : > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> : > news:43A97566.9F6CAFE5@sympatico.ca...
> : > : "KJ.Kate" wrote:
> : > : >
> : > : > "Carl" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
> : > : > news:_4udnRaovYetHDreRVn-uQ@comcast.com...
> : > : > : D-shackle, if they have loop ends.
> : > : > :
> : > : > : Carl
> : > : >
> : > : > That's what my husband says too.
> : > : > He says it is the 'approved method' of joining two straps together.
> : > : >
> : > : > KJK
> : > :
> : > : That is THE 'most' dangerous way to do it and would never be allowed
> on
> : > : any organized run or any RAMJ+W (newsgroup) run we put on.
> : > :
> : > : If one strap breaks, the D-ring 'will' go ballistic and it can go
> : > : through the windshield, then through the driver, then through the seat
> : > : and out the back window. People get killed that way.
> : > :
> : > : See:
> : > : http://www.southernhighrollers.com/t..._miss_from.htm
> : > :
> : > : Why is it so difficult for folks to just use the loops provided to put
> : > : the two straps together????? It is simple and idiot proof and not
> : > : likely to fail with deadly results.
> : > :
> : > : See: http://xjeep.dyndns.org/slipstrap.jpg
> : > :
> : > : Mike
> : > : 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> : > : 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> : > : Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> : > : Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
> : > : (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
>
--
Will Honea
#132
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Putting two tow straps together???
Kate, picture it this way: tie a loop in the end of two ropes.
Thread the ropes through the opposite loops so that they form
something like a figure-8 and link the ropes together. Now, in the
middle of the loops, poke a stick. The first thing you notice is that
it's a PITA to keep the stick from just falling out until you pull
hard enough on each rope to tighten the ropes against the stick.
That's the key. If the ropes break at the join, the stick just falls
out since nothing is holding it to either rope, just the pressure
between them keeps it there. The other side is that if one of the
ropes breaks in the middle away from the join, then the broken end of
the rope will be what goes flying, not the stick and knot. Finally,
if that stick should happen to get tossed, it has a whole lot less
mass than a metal ring with which to rearrange your hairdo. The only
purpose for the stick is to pry the knot loose once you are done
pulling.
On Wed, 21 Dec 2005 18:40:17 UTC "KJ.Kate" <KJ.Kate@WhoseHotMail.com>
wrote:
> It's good to see someone passsionate about safety.
> Hubs is a safety nut too, yeas as an Operating Engineer has him very
> contientious about such things.
>
> Sorry if I yanked a knot in your tail.
> BUT
> If I hadn't, think of all the things I might have never learned :)
> Thanks for the clarification!
>
> Personally, I am prone to asking a ton of questions and learning as much as
> I can from those who have been there before I have. In the case of straps
> like these, I have no clue so am soaking up as much information as I can.
>
> Now I have really learned soemthing but I am still not so sure about putting
> a stick in the middle. Be it a chunk of hickory or whatever in the middle.
> It still sounds dangerous.
>
> KJK
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:43A99192.518743CA@sympatico.ca...
> : Sorry about getting all worked up there, I have just seen too many dumb
> : things when it come to proper gear use....
> :
> : He is using construction straps or slings then.
> :
> : These are a 'totally' different animal than the 'elastic band' type of
> : ****** strap that is normally seen off road.
> :
> : They are like a chain or tow strap with no give and a shackle or D-ring
> : is fine to use with them, proper even. :-)
> :
> : Our straps stretch like crazy when trying to pull someone out of mud and
> : never come up hard so the kinetic energy stored in them is massive.
> :
> : Mike
> :
> : "KJ.Kate" wrote:
> : >
> : > Easy there big boy....
> : > Don't get all shook up.
> : >
> : > I understand the theory and the logic, as does my husband.
> : > I was just tossing in another opinion, that was offered from over my
> : > shoulder.
> : >
> : > Keep in mind, that the slings that he (my husband uses) are in heavy
> : > construction. Much larger than anything any of us would use, and for
> : > different purposes such as lifting as with a crane, not pulling.
> : >
> : > KJK
> : >
> : > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> : > news:43A97566.9F6CAFE5@sympatico.ca...
> : > : "KJ.Kate" wrote:
> : > : >
> : > : > "Carl" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
> : > : > news:_4udnRaovYetHDreRVn-uQ@comcast.com...
> : > : > : D-shackle, if they have loop ends.
> : > : > :
> : > : > : Carl
> : > : >
> : > : > That's what my husband says too.
> : > : > He says it is the 'approved method' of joining two straps together.
> : > : >
> : > : > KJK
> : > :
> : > : That is THE 'most' dangerous way to do it and would never be allowed
> on
> : > : any organized run or any RAMJ+W (newsgroup) run we put on.
> : > :
> : > : If one strap breaks, the D-ring 'will' go ballistic and it can go
> : > : through the windshield, then through the driver, then through the seat
> : > : and out the back window. People get killed that way.
> : > :
> : > : See:
> : > : http://www.southernhighrollers.com/t..._miss_from.htm
> : > :
> : > : Why is it so difficult for folks to just use the loops provided to put
> : > : the two straps together????? It is simple and idiot proof and not
> : > : likely to fail with deadly results.
> : > :
> : > : See: http://xjeep.dyndns.org/slipstrap.jpg
> : > :
> : > : Mike
> : > : 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> : > : 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> : > : Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> : > : Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
> : > : (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
>
--
Will Honea
Thread the ropes through the opposite loops so that they form
something like a figure-8 and link the ropes together. Now, in the
middle of the loops, poke a stick. The first thing you notice is that
it's a PITA to keep the stick from just falling out until you pull
hard enough on each rope to tighten the ropes against the stick.
That's the key. If the ropes break at the join, the stick just falls
out since nothing is holding it to either rope, just the pressure
between them keeps it there. The other side is that if one of the
ropes breaks in the middle away from the join, then the broken end of
the rope will be what goes flying, not the stick and knot. Finally,
if that stick should happen to get tossed, it has a whole lot less
mass than a metal ring with which to rearrange your hairdo. The only
purpose for the stick is to pry the knot loose once you are done
pulling.
On Wed, 21 Dec 2005 18:40:17 UTC "KJ.Kate" <KJ.Kate@WhoseHotMail.com>
wrote:
> It's good to see someone passsionate about safety.
> Hubs is a safety nut too, yeas as an Operating Engineer has him very
> contientious about such things.
>
> Sorry if I yanked a knot in your tail.
> BUT
> If I hadn't, think of all the things I might have never learned :)
> Thanks for the clarification!
>
> Personally, I am prone to asking a ton of questions and learning as much as
> I can from those who have been there before I have. In the case of straps
> like these, I have no clue so am soaking up as much information as I can.
>
> Now I have really learned soemthing but I am still not so sure about putting
> a stick in the middle. Be it a chunk of hickory or whatever in the middle.
> It still sounds dangerous.
>
> KJK
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:43A99192.518743CA@sympatico.ca...
> : Sorry about getting all worked up there, I have just seen too many dumb
> : things when it come to proper gear use....
> :
> : He is using construction straps or slings then.
> :
> : These are a 'totally' different animal than the 'elastic band' type of
> : ****** strap that is normally seen off road.
> :
> : They are like a chain or tow strap with no give and a shackle or D-ring
> : is fine to use with them, proper even. :-)
> :
> : Our straps stretch like crazy when trying to pull someone out of mud and
> : never come up hard so the kinetic energy stored in them is massive.
> :
> : Mike
> :
> : "KJ.Kate" wrote:
> : >
> : > Easy there big boy....
> : > Don't get all shook up.
> : >
> : > I understand the theory and the logic, as does my husband.
> : > I was just tossing in another opinion, that was offered from over my
> : > shoulder.
> : >
> : > Keep in mind, that the slings that he (my husband uses) are in heavy
> : > construction. Much larger than anything any of us would use, and for
> : > different purposes such as lifting as with a crane, not pulling.
> : >
> : > KJK
> : >
> : > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> : > news:43A97566.9F6CAFE5@sympatico.ca...
> : > : "KJ.Kate" wrote:
> : > : >
> : > : > "Carl" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
> : > : > news:_4udnRaovYetHDreRVn-uQ@comcast.com...
> : > : > : D-shackle, if they have loop ends.
> : > : > :
> : > : > : Carl
> : > : >
> : > : > That's what my husband says too.
> : > : > He says it is the 'approved method' of joining two straps together.
> : > : >
> : > : > KJK
> : > :
> : > : That is THE 'most' dangerous way to do it and would never be allowed
> on
> : > : any organized run or any RAMJ+W (newsgroup) run we put on.
> : > :
> : > : If one strap breaks, the D-ring 'will' go ballistic and it can go
> : > : through the windshield, then through the driver, then through the seat
> : > : and out the back window. People get killed that way.
> : > :
> : > : See:
> : > : http://www.southernhighrollers.com/t..._miss_from.htm
> : > :
> : > : Why is it so difficult for folks to just use the loops provided to put
> : > : the two straps together????? It is simple and idiot proof and not
> : > : likely to fail with deadly results.
> : > :
> : > : See: http://xjeep.dyndns.org/slipstrap.jpg
> : > :
> : > : Mike
> : > : 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> : > : 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> : > : Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> : > : Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
> : > : (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
>
--
Will Honea
#133
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Putting two tow straps together???
Kate, picture it this way: tie a loop in the end of two ropes.
Thread the ropes through the opposite loops so that they form
something like a figure-8 and link the ropes together. Now, in the
middle of the loops, poke a stick. The first thing you notice is that
it's a PITA to keep the stick from just falling out until you pull
hard enough on each rope to tighten the ropes against the stick.
That's the key. If the ropes break at the join, the stick just falls
out since nothing is holding it to either rope, just the pressure
between them keeps it there. The other side is that if one of the
ropes breaks in the middle away from the join, then the broken end of
the rope will be what goes flying, not the stick and knot. Finally,
if that stick should happen to get tossed, it has a whole lot less
mass than a metal ring with which to rearrange your hairdo. The only
purpose for the stick is to pry the knot loose once you are done
pulling.
On Wed, 21 Dec 2005 18:40:17 UTC "KJ.Kate" <KJ.Kate@WhoseHotMail.com>
wrote:
> It's good to see someone passsionate about safety.
> Hubs is a safety nut too, yeas as an Operating Engineer has him very
> contientious about such things.
>
> Sorry if I yanked a knot in your tail.
> BUT
> If I hadn't, think of all the things I might have never learned :)
> Thanks for the clarification!
>
> Personally, I am prone to asking a ton of questions and learning as much as
> I can from those who have been there before I have. In the case of straps
> like these, I have no clue so am soaking up as much information as I can.
>
> Now I have really learned soemthing but I am still not so sure about putting
> a stick in the middle. Be it a chunk of hickory or whatever in the middle.
> It still sounds dangerous.
>
> KJK
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:43A99192.518743CA@sympatico.ca...
> : Sorry about getting all worked up there, I have just seen too many dumb
> : things when it come to proper gear use....
> :
> : He is using construction straps or slings then.
> :
> : These are a 'totally' different animal than the 'elastic band' type of
> : ****** strap that is normally seen off road.
> :
> : They are like a chain or tow strap with no give and a shackle or D-ring
> : is fine to use with them, proper even. :-)
> :
> : Our straps stretch like crazy when trying to pull someone out of mud and
> : never come up hard so the kinetic energy stored in them is massive.
> :
> : Mike
> :
> : "KJ.Kate" wrote:
> : >
> : > Easy there big boy....
> : > Don't get all shook up.
> : >
> : > I understand the theory and the logic, as does my husband.
> : > I was just tossing in another opinion, that was offered from over my
> : > shoulder.
> : >
> : > Keep in mind, that the slings that he (my husband uses) are in heavy
> : > construction. Much larger than anything any of us would use, and for
> : > different purposes such as lifting as with a crane, not pulling.
> : >
> : > KJK
> : >
> : > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> : > news:43A97566.9F6CAFE5@sympatico.ca...
> : > : "KJ.Kate" wrote:
> : > : >
> : > : > "Carl" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
> : > : > news:_4udnRaovYetHDreRVn-uQ@comcast.com...
> : > : > : D-shackle, if they have loop ends.
> : > : > :
> : > : > : Carl
> : > : >
> : > : > That's what my husband says too.
> : > : > He says it is the 'approved method' of joining two straps together.
> : > : >
> : > : > KJK
> : > :
> : > : That is THE 'most' dangerous way to do it and would never be allowed
> on
> : > : any organized run or any RAMJ+W (newsgroup) run we put on.
> : > :
> : > : If one strap breaks, the D-ring 'will' go ballistic and it can go
> : > : through the windshield, then through the driver, then through the seat
> : > : and out the back window. People get killed that way.
> : > :
> : > : See:
> : > : http://www.southernhighrollers.com/t..._miss_from.htm
> : > :
> : > : Why is it so difficult for folks to just use the loops provided to put
> : > : the two straps together????? It is simple and idiot proof and not
> : > : likely to fail with deadly results.
> : > :
> : > : See: http://xjeep.dyndns.org/slipstrap.jpg
> : > :
> : > : Mike
> : > : 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> : > : 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> : > : Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> : > : Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
> : > : (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
>
--
Will Honea
Thread the ropes through the opposite loops so that they form
something like a figure-8 and link the ropes together. Now, in the
middle of the loops, poke a stick. The first thing you notice is that
it's a PITA to keep the stick from just falling out until you pull
hard enough on each rope to tighten the ropes against the stick.
That's the key. If the ropes break at the join, the stick just falls
out since nothing is holding it to either rope, just the pressure
between them keeps it there. The other side is that if one of the
ropes breaks in the middle away from the join, then the broken end of
the rope will be what goes flying, not the stick and knot. Finally,
if that stick should happen to get tossed, it has a whole lot less
mass than a metal ring with which to rearrange your hairdo. The only
purpose for the stick is to pry the knot loose once you are done
pulling.
On Wed, 21 Dec 2005 18:40:17 UTC "KJ.Kate" <KJ.Kate@WhoseHotMail.com>
wrote:
> It's good to see someone passsionate about safety.
> Hubs is a safety nut too, yeas as an Operating Engineer has him very
> contientious about such things.
>
> Sorry if I yanked a knot in your tail.
> BUT
> If I hadn't, think of all the things I might have never learned :)
> Thanks for the clarification!
>
> Personally, I am prone to asking a ton of questions and learning as much as
> I can from those who have been there before I have. In the case of straps
> like these, I have no clue so am soaking up as much information as I can.
>
> Now I have really learned soemthing but I am still not so sure about putting
> a stick in the middle. Be it a chunk of hickory or whatever in the middle.
> It still sounds dangerous.
>
> KJK
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:43A99192.518743CA@sympatico.ca...
> : Sorry about getting all worked up there, I have just seen too many dumb
> : things when it come to proper gear use....
> :
> : He is using construction straps or slings then.
> :
> : These are a 'totally' different animal than the 'elastic band' type of
> : ****** strap that is normally seen off road.
> :
> : They are like a chain or tow strap with no give and a shackle or D-ring
> : is fine to use with them, proper even. :-)
> :
> : Our straps stretch like crazy when trying to pull someone out of mud and
> : never come up hard so the kinetic energy stored in them is massive.
> :
> : Mike
> :
> : "KJ.Kate" wrote:
> : >
> : > Easy there big boy....
> : > Don't get all shook up.
> : >
> : > I understand the theory and the logic, as does my husband.
> : > I was just tossing in another opinion, that was offered from over my
> : > shoulder.
> : >
> : > Keep in mind, that the slings that he (my husband uses) are in heavy
> : > construction. Much larger than anything any of us would use, and for
> : > different purposes such as lifting as with a crane, not pulling.
> : >
> : > KJK
> : >
> : > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> : > news:43A97566.9F6CAFE5@sympatico.ca...
> : > : "KJ.Kate" wrote:
> : > : >
> : > : > "Carl" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
> : > : > news:_4udnRaovYetHDreRVn-uQ@comcast.com...
> : > : > : D-shackle, if they have loop ends.
> : > : > :
> : > : > : Carl
> : > : >
> : > : > That's what my husband says too.
> : > : > He says it is the 'approved method' of joining two straps together.
> : > : >
> : > : > KJK
> : > :
> : > : That is THE 'most' dangerous way to do it and would never be allowed
> on
> : > : any organized run or any RAMJ+W (newsgroup) run we put on.
> : > :
> : > : If one strap breaks, the D-ring 'will' go ballistic and it can go
> : > : through the windshield, then through the driver, then through the seat
> : > : and out the back window. People get killed that way.
> : > :
> : > : See:
> : > : http://www.southernhighrollers.com/t..._miss_from.htm
> : > :
> : > : Why is it so difficult for folks to just use the loops provided to put
> : > : the two straps together????? It is simple and idiot proof and not
> : > : likely to fail with deadly results.
> : > :
> : > : See: http://xjeep.dyndns.org/slipstrap.jpg
> : > :
> : > : Mike
> : > : 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> : > : 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> : > : Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> : > : Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
> : > : (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
>
--
Will Honea
#134
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Putting two tow straps together???
Got it Will...
just curious, why not just carry a longer strap? DO they not make longer
ones?
"Will Honea" <whonea@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:JxX2tWiP5BNp-pn2-C5HzqNgsPpWH@anon.none.net...
: Kate, picture it this way: tie a loop in the end of two ropes.
: Thread the ropes through the opposite loops so that they form
: something like a figure-8 and link the ropes together. Now, in the
: middle of the loops, poke a stick. The first thing you notice is that
: it's a PITA to keep the stick from just falling out until you pull
: hard enough on each rope to tighten the ropes against the stick.
: That's the key. If the ropes break at the join, the stick just falls
: out since nothing is holding it to either rope, just the pressure
: between them keeps it there. The other side is that if one of the
: ropes breaks in the middle away from the join, then the broken end of
: the rope will be what goes flying, not the stick and knot. Finally,
: if that stick should happen to get tossed, it has a whole lot less
: mass than a metal ring with which to rearrange your hairdo. The only
: purpose for the stick is to pry the knot loose once you are done
: pulling.
:
: On Wed, 21 Dec 2005 18:40:17 UTC "KJ.Kate" <KJ.Kate@WhoseHotMail.com>
: wrote:
:
: > It's good to see someone passsionate about safety.
: > Hubs is a safety nut too, yeas as an Operating Engineer has him very
: > contientious about such things.
: >
: > Sorry if I yanked a knot in your tail.
: > BUT
: > If I hadn't, think of all the things I might have never learned :)
: > Thanks for the clarification!
: >
: > Personally, I am prone to asking a ton of questions and learning as much
as
: > I can from those who have been there before I have. In the case of
straps
: > like these, I have no clue so am soaking up as much information as I
can.
: >
: > Now I have really learned soemthing but I am still not so sure about
putting
: > a stick in the middle. Be it a chunk of hickory or whatever in the
middle.
: > It still sounds dangerous.
: >
: > KJK
: >
: > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
: > news:43A99192.518743CA@sympatico.ca...
: > : Sorry about getting all worked up there, I have just seen too many
dumb
: > : things when it come to proper gear use....
: > :
: > : He is using construction straps or slings then.
: > :
: > : These are a 'totally' different animal than the 'elastic band' type of
: > : ****** strap that is normally seen off road.
: > :
: > : They are like a chain or tow strap with no give and a shackle or
D-ring
: > : is fine to use with them, proper even. :-)
: > :
: > : Our straps stretch like crazy when trying to pull someone out of mud
and
: > : never come up hard so the kinetic energy stored in them is massive.
: > :
: > : Mike
: > :
: > : "KJ.Kate" wrote:
: > : >
: > : > Easy there big boy....
: > : > Don't get all shook up.
: > : >
: > : > I understand the theory and the logic, as does my husband.
: > : > I was just tossing in another opinion, that was offered from over my
: > : > shoulder.
: > : >
: > : > Keep in mind, that the slings that he (my husband uses) are in heavy
: > : > construction. Much larger than anything any of us would use, and for
: > : > different purposes such as lifting as with a crane, not pulling.
: > : >
: > : > KJK
: > : >
: > : > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
: > : > news:43A97566.9F6CAFE5@sympatico.ca...
: > : > : "KJ.Kate" wrote:
: > : > : >
: > : > : > "Carl" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
: > : > : > news:_4udnRaovYetHDreRVn-uQ@comcast.com...
: > : > : > : D-shackle, if they have loop ends.
: > : > : > :
: > : > : > : Carl
: > : > : >
: > : > : > That's what my husband says too.
: > : > : > He says it is the 'approved method' of joining two straps
together.
: > : > : >
: > : > : > KJK
: > : > :
: > : > : That is THE 'most' dangerous way to do it and would never be
allowed
: > on
: > : > : any organized run or any RAMJ+W (newsgroup) run we put on.
: > : > :
: > : > : If one strap breaks, the D-ring 'will' go ballistic and it can go
: > : > : through the windshield, then through the driver, then through the
seat
: > : > : and out the back window. People get killed that way.
: > : > :
: > : > : See:
: > : > :
http://www.southernhighrollers.com/t..._miss_from.htm
: > : > :
: > : > : Why is it so difficult for folks to just use the loops provided to
put
: > : > : the two straps together????? It is simple and idiot proof and not
: > : > : likely to fail with deadly results.
: > : > :
: > : > : See: http://xjeep.dyndns.org/slipstrap.jpg
: > : > :
: > : > : Mike
: > : > : 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
: > : > : 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
: > : > : Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
: > : > : Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
: > : > : (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
: >
: >
:
:
: --
: Will Honea
just curious, why not just carry a longer strap? DO they not make longer
ones?
"Will Honea" <whonea@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:JxX2tWiP5BNp-pn2-C5HzqNgsPpWH@anon.none.net...
: Kate, picture it this way: tie a loop in the end of two ropes.
: Thread the ropes through the opposite loops so that they form
: something like a figure-8 and link the ropes together. Now, in the
: middle of the loops, poke a stick. The first thing you notice is that
: it's a PITA to keep the stick from just falling out until you pull
: hard enough on each rope to tighten the ropes against the stick.
: That's the key. If the ropes break at the join, the stick just falls
: out since nothing is holding it to either rope, just the pressure
: between them keeps it there. The other side is that if one of the
: ropes breaks in the middle away from the join, then the broken end of
: the rope will be what goes flying, not the stick and knot. Finally,
: if that stick should happen to get tossed, it has a whole lot less
: mass than a metal ring with which to rearrange your hairdo. The only
: purpose for the stick is to pry the knot loose once you are done
: pulling.
:
: On Wed, 21 Dec 2005 18:40:17 UTC "KJ.Kate" <KJ.Kate@WhoseHotMail.com>
: wrote:
:
: > It's good to see someone passsionate about safety.
: > Hubs is a safety nut too, yeas as an Operating Engineer has him very
: > contientious about such things.
: >
: > Sorry if I yanked a knot in your tail.
: > BUT
: > If I hadn't, think of all the things I might have never learned :)
: > Thanks for the clarification!
: >
: > Personally, I am prone to asking a ton of questions and learning as much
as
: > I can from those who have been there before I have. In the case of
straps
: > like these, I have no clue so am soaking up as much information as I
can.
: >
: > Now I have really learned soemthing but I am still not so sure about
putting
: > a stick in the middle. Be it a chunk of hickory or whatever in the
middle.
: > It still sounds dangerous.
: >
: > KJK
: >
: > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
: > news:43A99192.518743CA@sympatico.ca...
: > : Sorry about getting all worked up there, I have just seen too many
dumb
: > : things when it come to proper gear use....
: > :
: > : He is using construction straps or slings then.
: > :
: > : These are a 'totally' different animal than the 'elastic band' type of
: > : ****** strap that is normally seen off road.
: > :
: > : They are like a chain or tow strap with no give and a shackle or
D-ring
: > : is fine to use with them, proper even. :-)
: > :
: > : Our straps stretch like crazy when trying to pull someone out of mud
and
: > : never come up hard so the kinetic energy stored in them is massive.
: > :
: > : Mike
: > :
: > : "KJ.Kate" wrote:
: > : >
: > : > Easy there big boy....
: > : > Don't get all shook up.
: > : >
: > : > I understand the theory and the logic, as does my husband.
: > : > I was just tossing in another opinion, that was offered from over my
: > : > shoulder.
: > : >
: > : > Keep in mind, that the slings that he (my husband uses) are in heavy
: > : > construction. Much larger than anything any of us would use, and for
: > : > different purposes such as lifting as with a crane, not pulling.
: > : >
: > : > KJK
: > : >
: > : > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
: > : > news:43A97566.9F6CAFE5@sympatico.ca...
: > : > : "KJ.Kate" wrote:
: > : > : >
: > : > : > "Carl" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
: > : > : > news:_4udnRaovYetHDreRVn-uQ@comcast.com...
: > : > : > : D-shackle, if they have loop ends.
: > : > : > :
: > : > : > : Carl
: > : > : >
: > : > : > That's what my husband says too.
: > : > : > He says it is the 'approved method' of joining two straps
together.
: > : > : >
: > : > : > KJK
: > : > :
: > : > : That is THE 'most' dangerous way to do it and would never be
allowed
: > on
: > : > : any organized run or any RAMJ+W (newsgroup) run we put on.
: > : > :
: > : > : If one strap breaks, the D-ring 'will' go ballistic and it can go
: > : > : through the windshield, then through the driver, then through the
seat
: > : > : and out the back window. People get killed that way.
: > : > :
: > : > : See:
: > : > :
http://www.southernhighrollers.com/t..._miss_from.htm
: > : > :
: > : > : Why is it so difficult for folks to just use the loops provided to
put
: > : > : the two straps together????? It is simple and idiot proof and not
: > : > : likely to fail with deadly results.
: > : > :
: > : > : See: http://xjeep.dyndns.org/slipstrap.jpg
: > : > :
: > : > : Mike
: > : > : 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
: > : > : 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
: > : > : Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
: > : > : Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
: > : > : (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
: >
: >
:
:
: --
: Will Honea
#135
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Putting two tow straps together???
Got it Will...
just curious, why not just carry a longer strap? DO they not make longer
ones?
"Will Honea" <whonea@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:JxX2tWiP5BNp-pn2-C5HzqNgsPpWH@anon.none.net...
: Kate, picture it this way: tie a loop in the end of two ropes.
: Thread the ropes through the opposite loops so that they form
: something like a figure-8 and link the ropes together. Now, in the
: middle of the loops, poke a stick. The first thing you notice is that
: it's a PITA to keep the stick from just falling out until you pull
: hard enough on each rope to tighten the ropes against the stick.
: That's the key. If the ropes break at the join, the stick just falls
: out since nothing is holding it to either rope, just the pressure
: between them keeps it there. The other side is that if one of the
: ropes breaks in the middle away from the join, then the broken end of
: the rope will be what goes flying, not the stick and knot. Finally,
: if that stick should happen to get tossed, it has a whole lot less
: mass than a metal ring with which to rearrange your hairdo. The only
: purpose for the stick is to pry the knot loose once you are done
: pulling.
:
: On Wed, 21 Dec 2005 18:40:17 UTC "KJ.Kate" <KJ.Kate@WhoseHotMail.com>
: wrote:
:
: > It's good to see someone passsionate about safety.
: > Hubs is a safety nut too, yeas as an Operating Engineer has him very
: > contientious about such things.
: >
: > Sorry if I yanked a knot in your tail.
: > BUT
: > If I hadn't, think of all the things I might have never learned :)
: > Thanks for the clarification!
: >
: > Personally, I am prone to asking a ton of questions and learning as much
as
: > I can from those who have been there before I have. In the case of
straps
: > like these, I have no clue so am soaking up as much information as I
can.
: >
: > Now I have really learned soemthing but I am still not so sure about
putting
: > a stick in the middle. Be it a chunk of hickory or whatever in the
middle.
: > It still sounds dangerous.
: >
: > KJK
: >
: > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
: > news:43A99192.518743CA@sympatico.ca...
: > : Sorry about getting all worked up there, I have just seen too many
dumb
: > : things when it come to proper gear use....
: > :
: > : He is using construction straps or slings then.
: > :
: > : These are a 'totally' different animal than the 'elastic band' type of
: > : ****** strap that is normally seen off road.
: > :
: > : They are like a chain or tow strap with no give and a shackle or
D-ring
: > : is fine to use with them, proper even. :-)
: > :
: > : Our straps stretch like crazy when trying to pull someone out of mud
and
: > : never come up hard so the kinetic energy stored in them is massive.
: > :
: > : Mike
: > :
: > : "KJ.Kate" wrote:
: > : >
: > : > Easy there big boy....
: > : > Don't get all shook up.
: > : >
: > : > I understand the theory and the logic, as does my husband.
: > : > I was just tossing in another opinion, that was offered from over my
: > : > shoulder.
: > : >
: > : > Keep in mind, that the slings that he (my husband uses) are in heavy
: > : > construction. Much larger than anything any of us would use, and for
: > : > different purposes such as lifting as with a crane, not pulling.
: > : >
: > : > KJK
: > : >
: > : > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
: > : > news:43A97566.9F6CAFE5@sympatico.ca...
: > : > : "KJ.Kate" wrote:
: > : > : >
: > : > : > "Carl" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
: > : > : > news:_4udnRaovYetHDreRVn-uQ@comcast.com...
: > : > : > : D-shackle, if they have loop ends.
: > : > : > :
: > : > : > : Carl
: > : > : >
: > : > : > That's what my husband says too.
: > : > : > He says it is the 'approved method' of joining two straps
together.
: > : > : >
: > : > : > KJK
: > : > :
: > : > : That is THE 'most' dangerous way to do it and would never be
allowed
: > on
: > : > : any organized run or any RAMJ+W (newsgroup) run we put on.
: > : > :
: > : > : If one strap breaks, the D-ring 'will' go ballistic and it can go
: > : > : through the windshield, then through the driver, then through the
seat
: > : > : and out the back window. People get killed that way.
: > : > :
: > : > : See:
: > : > :
http://www.southernhighrollers.com/t..._miss_from.htm
: > : > :
: > : > : Why is it so difficult for folks to just use the loops provided to
put
: > : > : the two straps together????? It is simple and idiot proof and not
: > : > : likely to fail with deadly results.
: > : > :
: > : > : See: http://xjeep.dyndns.org/slipstrap.jpg
: > : > :
: > : > : Mike
: > : > : 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
: > : > : 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
: > : > : Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
: > : > : Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
: > : > : (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
: >
: >
:
:
: --
: Will Honea
just curious, why not just carry a longer strap? DO they not make longer
ones?
"Will Honea" <whonea@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:JxX2tWiP5BNp-pn2-C5HzqNgsPpWH@anon.none.net...
: Kate, picture it this way: tie a loop in the end of two ropes.
: Thread the ropes through the opposite loops so that they form
: something like a figure-8 and link the ropes together. Now, in the
: middle of the loops, poke a stick. The first thing you notice is that
: it's a PITA to keep the stick from just falling out until you pull
: hard enough on each rope to tighten the ropes against the stick.
: That's the key. If the ropes break at the join, the stick just falls
: out since nothing is holding it to either rope, just the pressure
: between them keeps it there. The other side is that if one of the
: ropes breaks in the middle away from the join, then the broken end of
: the rope will be what goes flying, not the stick and knot. Finally,
: if that stick should happen to get tossed, it has a whole lot less
: mass than a metal ring with which to rearrange your hairdo. The only
: purpose for the stick is to pry the knot loose once you are done
: pulling.
:
: On Wed, 21 Dec 2005 18:40:17 UTC "KJ.Kate" <KJ.Kate@WhoseHotMail.com>
: wrote:
:
: > It's good to see someone passsionate about safety.
: > Hubs is a safety nut too, yeas as an Operating Engineer has him very
: > contientious about such things.
: >
: > Sorry if I yanked a knot in your tail.
: > BUT
: > If I hadn't, think of all the things I might have never learned :)
: > Thanks for the clarification!
: >
: > Personally, I am prone to asking a ton of questions and learning as much
as
: > I can from those who have been there before I have. In the case of
straps
: > like these, I have no clue so am soaking up as much information as I
can.
: >
: > Now I have really learned soemthing but I am still not so sure about
putting
: > a stick in the middle. Be it a chunk of hickory or whatever in the
middle.
: > It still sounds dangerous.
: >
: > KJK
: >
: > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
: > news:43A99192.518743CA@sympatico.ca...
: > : Sorry about getting all worked up there, I have just seen too many
dumb
: > : things when it come to proper gear use....
: > :
: > : He is using construction straps or slings then.
: > :
: > : These are a 'totally' different animal than the 'elastic band' type of
: > : ****** strap that is normally seen off road.
: > :
: > : They are like a chain or tow strap with no give and a shackle or
D-ring
: > : is fine to use with them, proper even. :-)
: > :
: > : Our straps stretch like crazy when trying to pull someone out of mud
and
: > : never come up hard so the kinetic energy stored in them is massive.
: > :
: > : Mike
: > :
: > : "KJ.Kate" wrote:
: > : >
: > : > Easy there big boy....
: > : > Don't get all shook up.
: > : >
: > : > I understand the theory and the logic, as does my husband.
: > : > I was just tossing in another opinion, that was offered from over my
: > : > shoulder.
: > : >
: > : > Keep in mind, that the slings that he (my husband uses) are in heavy
: > : > construction. Much larger than anything any of us would use, and for
: > : > different purposes such as lifting as with a crane, not pulling.
: > : >
: > : > KJK
: > : >
: > : > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
: > : > news:43A97566.9F6CAFE5@sympatico.ca...
: > : > : "KJ.Kate" wrote:
: > : > : >
: > : > : > "Carl" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
: > : > : > news:_4udnRaovYetHDreRVn-uQ@comcast.com...
: > : > : > : D-shackle, if they have loop ends.
: > : > : > :
: > : > : > : Carl
: > : > : >
: > : > : > That's what my husband says too.
: > : > : > He says it is the 'approved method' of joining two straps
together.
: > : > : >
: > : > : > KJK
: > : > :
: > : > : That is THE 'most' dangerous way to do it and would never be
allowed
: > on
: > : > : any organized run or any RAMJ+W (newsgroup) run we put on.
: > : > :
: > : > : If one strap breaks, the D-ring 'will' go ballistic and it can go
: > : > : through the windshield, then through the driver, then through the
seat
: > : > : and out the back window. People get killed that way.
: > : > :
: > : > : See:
: > : > :
http://www.southernhighrollers.com/t..._miss_from.htm
: > : > :
: > : > : Why is it so difficult for folks to just use the loops provided to
put
: > : > : the two straps together????? It is simple and idiot proof and not
: > : > : likely to fail with deadly results.
: > : > :
: > : > : See: http://xjeep.dyndns.org/slipstrap.jpg
: > : > :
: > : > : Mike
: > : > : 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
: > : > : 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
: > : > : Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
: > : > : Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
: > : > : (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
: >
: >
:
:
: --
: Will Honea
#136
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Putting two tow straps together???
Got it Will...
just curious, why not just carry a longer strap? DO they not make longer
ones?
"Will Honea" <whonea@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:JxX2tWiP5BNp-pn2-C5HzqNgsPpWH@anon.none.net...
: Kate, picture it this way: tie a loop in the end of two ropes.
: Thread the ropes through the opposite loops so that they form
: something like a figure-8 and link the ropes together. Now, in the
: middle of the loops, poke a stick. The first thing you notice is that
: it's a PITA to keep the stick from just falling out until you pull
: hard enough on each rope to tighten the ropes against the stick.
: That's the key. If the ropes break at the join, the stick just falls
: out since nothing is holding it to either rope, just the pressure
: between them keeps it there. The other side is that if one of the
: ropes breaks in the middle away from the join, then the broken end of
: the rope will be what goes flying, not the stick and knot. Finally,
: if that stick should happen to get tossed, it has a whole lot less
: mass than a metal ring with which to rearrange your hairdo. The only
: purpose for the stick is to pry the knot loose once you are done
: pulling.
:
: On Wed, 21 Dec 2005 18:40:17 UTC "KJ.Kate" <KJ.Kate@WhoseHotMail.com>
: wrote:
:
: > It's good to see someone passsionate about safety.
: > Hubs is a safety nut too, yeas as an Operating Engineer has him very
: > contientious about such things.
: >
: > Sorry if I yanked a knot in your tail.
: > BUT
: > If I hadn't, think of all the things I might have never learned :)
: > Thanks for the clarification!
: >
: > Personally, I am prone to asking a ton of questions and learning as much
as
: > I can from those who have been there before I have. In the case of
straps
: > like these, I have no clue so am soaking up as much information as I
can.
: >
: > Now I have really learned soemthing but I am still not so sure about
putting
: > a stick in the middle. Be it a chunk of hickory or whatever in the
middle.
: > It still sounds dangerous.
: >
: > KJK
: >
: > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
: > news:43A99192.518743CA@sympatico.ca...
: > : Sorry about getting all worked up there, I have just seen too many
dumb
: > : things when it come to proper gear use....
: > :
: > : He is using construction straps or slings then.
: > :
: > : These are a 'totally' different animal than the 'elastic band' type of
: > : ****** strap that is normally seen off road.
: > :
: > : They are like a chain or tow strap with no give and a shackle or
D-ring
: > : is fine to use with them, proper even. :-)
: > :
: > : Our straps stretch like crazy when trying to pull someone out of mud
and
: > : never come up hard so the kinetic energy stored in them is massive.
: > :
: > : Mike
: > :
: > : "KJ.Kate" wrote:
: > : >
: > : > Easy there big boy....
: > : > Don't get all shook up.
: > : >
: > : > I understand the theory and the logic, as does my husband.
: > : > I was just tossing in another opinion, that was offered from over my
: > : > shoulder.
: > : >
: > : > Keep in mind, that the slings that he (my husband uses) are in heavy
: > : > construction. Much larger than anything any of us would use, and for
: > : > different purposes such as lifting as with a crane, not pulling.
: > : >
: > : > KJK
: > : >
: > : > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
: > : > news:43A97566.9F6CAFE5@sympatico.ca...
: > : > : "KJ.Kate" wrote:
: > : > : >
: > : > : > "Carl" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
: > : > : > news:_4udnRaovYetHDreRVn-uQ@comcast.com...
: > : > : > : D-shackle, if they have loop ends.
: > : > : > :
: > : > : > : Carl
: > : > : >
: > : > : > That's what my husband says too.
: > : > : > He says it is the 'approved method' of joining two straps
together.
: > : > : >
: > : > : > KJK
: > : > :
: > : > : That is THE 'most' dangerous way to do it and would never be
allowed
: > on
: > : > : any organized run or any RAMJ+W (newsgroup) run we put on.
: > : > :
: > : > : If one strap breaks, the D-ring 'will' go ballistic and it can go
: > : > : through the windshield, then through the driver, then through the
seat
: > : > : and out the back window. People get killed that way.
: > : > :
: > : > : See:
: > : > :
http://www.southernhighrollers.com/t..._miss_from.htm
: > : > :
: > : > : Why is it so difficult for folks to just use the loops provided to
put
: > : > : the two straps together????? It is simple and idiot proof and not
: > : > : likely to fail with deadly results.
: > : > :
: > : > : See: http://xjeep.dyndns.org/slipstrap.jpg
: > : > :
: > : > : Mike
: > : > : 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
: > : > : 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
: > : > : Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
: > : > : Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
: > : > : (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
: >
: >
:
:
: --
: Will Honea
just curious, why not just carry a longer strap? DO they not make longer
ones?
"Will Honea" <whonea@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:JxX2tWiP5BNp-pn2-C5HzqNgsPpWH@anon.none.net...
: Kate, picture it this way: tie a loop in the end of two ropes.
: Thread the ropes through the opposite loops so that they form
: something like a figure-8 and link the ropes together. Now, in the
: middle of the loops, poke a stick. The first thing you notice is that
: it's a PITA to keep the stick from just falling out until you pull
: hard enough on each rope to tighten the ropes against the stick.
: That's the key. If the ropes break at the join, the stick just falls
: out since nothing is holding it to either rope, just the pressure
: between them keeps it there. The other side is that if one of the
: ropes breaks in the middle away from the join, then the broken end of
: the rope will be what goes flying, not the stick and knot. Finally,
: if that stick should happen to get tossed, it has a whole lot less
: mass than a metal ring with which to rearrange your hairdo. The only
: purpose for the stick is to pry the knot loose once you are done
: pulling.
:
: On Wed, 21 Dec 2005 18:40:17 UTC "KJ.Kate" <KJ.Kate@WhoseHotMail.com>
: wrote:
:
: > It's good to see someone passsionate about safety.
: > Hubs is a safety nut too, yeas as an Operating Engineer has him very
: > contientious about such things.
: >
: > Sorry if I yanked a knot in your tail.
: > BUT
: > If I hadn't, think of all the things I might have never learned :)
: > Thanks for the clarification!
: >
: > Personally, I am prone to asking a ton of questions and learning as much
as
: > I can from those who have been there before I have. In the case of
straps
: > like these, I have no clue so am soaking up as much information as I
can.
: >
: > Now I have really learned soemthing but I am still not so sure about
putting
: > a stick in the middle. Be it a chunk of hickory or whatever in the
middle.
: > It still sounds dangerous.
: >
: > KJK
: >
: > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
: > news:43A99192.518743CA@sympatico.ca...
: > : Sorry about getting all worked up there, I have just seen too many
dumb
: > : things when it come to proper gear use....
: > :
: > : He is using construction straps or slings then.
: > :
: > : These are a 'totally' different animal than the 'elastic band' type of
: > : ****** strap that is normally seen off road.
: > :
: > : They are like a chain or tow strap with no give and a shackle or
D-ring
: > : is fine to use with them, proper even. :-)
: > :
: > : Our straps stretch like crazy when trying to pull someone out of mud
and
: > : never come up hard so the kinetic energy stored in them is massive.
: > :
: > : Mike
: > :
: > : "KJ.Kate" wrote:
: > : >
: > : > Easy there big boy....
: > : > Don't get all shook up.
: > : >
: > : > I understand the theory and the logic, as does my husband.
: > : > I was just tossing in another opinion, that was offered from over my
: > : > shoulder.
: > : >
: > : > Keep in mind, that the slings that he (my husband uses) are in heavy
: > : > construction. Much larger than anything any of us would use, and for
: > : > different purposes such as lifting as with a crane, not pulling.
: > : >
: > : > KJK
: > : >
: > : > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
: > : > news:43A97566.9F6CAFE5@sympatico.ca...
: > : > : "KJ.Kate" wrote:
: > : > : >
: > : > : > "Carl" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
: > : > : > news:_4udnRaovYetHDreRVn-uQ@comcast.com...
: > : > : > : D-shackle, if they have loop ends.
: > : > : > :
: > : > : > : Carl
: > : > : >
: > : > : > That's what my husband says too.
: > : > : > He says it is the 'approved method' of joining two straps
together.
: > : > : >
: > : > : > KJK
: > : > :
: > : > : That is THE 'most' dangerous way to do it and would never be
allowed
: > on
: > : > : any organized run or any RAMJ+W (newsgroup) run we put on.
: > : > :
: > : > : If one strap breaks, the D-ring 'will' go ballistic and it can go
: > : > : through the windshield, then through the driver, then through the
seat
: > : > : and out the back window. People get killed that way.
: > : > :
: > : > : See:
: > : > :
http://www.southernhighrollers.com/t..._miss_from.htm
: > : > :
: > : > : Why is it so difficult for folks to just use the loops provided to
put
: > : > : the two straps together????? It is simple and idiot proof and not
: > : > : likely to fail with deadly results.
: > : > :
: > : > : See: http://xjeep.dyndns.org/slipstrap.jpg
: > : > :
: > : > : Mike
: > : > : 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
: > : > : 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
: > : > : Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
: > : > : Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
: > : > : (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
: >
: >
:
:
: --
: Will Honea
#137
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Putting two tow straps together???
WOW!
Quite a story.
Did you have to change your pants? I think I might have had to.
Glad it was a near miss not a serious incident.
KJK
"4X4PLAY" <jrhiltz@eastlink.ca> wrote in message
news:W_nqf.80$OU5.39@clgrps13...
:I appreciate all the responses folks...
:
: On Sunday myself and a couple friends went out for some snow wheelin' and
: seemed to have all the traction in the world even in the deepest of
: snow...so we decided to venture into what we call the rail system...it's a
: very old trail that has worn ruts that you'll drag your pumpkins over on
: 33's (when there's NO snow!)...my buddies (a YJ and a XJ) both on 35's
were
: struggling but making it...I on the other hand (33's) got half way into
the
: trail and spent 90% of the time high centered enough that the wheels would
: hardly touch the ground if they would at all....I winched my way forward a
: couple times till the winch gave out for the night (mind you it was day
when
: we entered)...I then was taking tugs from my friend in his XJ and it got
: worse and harder to pull me through...kind of like taking the axles off
and
: trying to pull the Jeep through snow ice and mud... the 20' strap wasn't
: long enough so we attached two 20' X 2" 30,000lb straps together with a
: wooden dowel exactly like in Steve's illustration... after a couple
serious
: HARD pulls to get me going, the strap snapped on my side of the dowel and
: the strap with the dowel still attached raced it's way through the back
: window of the XJ and all the way through to smash the front as well...
: fortunately no one was hurt... I'm not sure if I ever will do it
: again...I'll spend the money and put two together permanently... It just
: makes me think that in all the clubs, where family are out and these
methods
: are practiced with family members in the vehicle...it makes me think that
: the guy in Michigan isn't the only person that has died this way.
: Just the strap alone that flew back at my Jeep caved in my front grill
: nicely right next to the drivers headlight...I couldn't imagine what would
: have happened had the strap broke on the other side of the dowel...it
prolly
: would have to come right back through my windshield and killed me.
: anyways back to the trail...we then put two new straps together and ripped
: his heavy custom bumper right out of the frame (no rust in sight) on the
: passenger side...we wound up letting the YJ pull me backwards as we fought
: our way back out of the trail in reverse with our tails between our
legs...
:
: Jeff
:
:
:
:
: "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
: news:43A9C3ED.8E940D9A@sympatico.ca...
: > You know Jeff, that link you are showing the unsafe use of a dowel as a
: > mechanical part of the link appears to be written or copywrited anyway
: > by a John Cranfield, the same gent who lost his eye from the unsafe use
: > of a high lift jack.
: >
: > Seems he likes to live dangerously....
: >
: > This is the safe way: http://xjeep.dyndns.org/slipstrap.jpg
: >
: > Mike
: >
: > 4X4PLAY wrote:
: >>
: >> Hey Mike... if the strap breaks the dowel will still fly right?? or is
it
: >> a
: >> 50/50 thing that it may fall out??
: >>
: >> is this the way you say to attach them??
: >>
: >> http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/6200/dowel19lo.jpg
: >>
: >> Thanks for the responses guys...I just wanna make sure that I can be
the
: >> safest I can be on the trail...I'll explain why in my next post...
: >>
: >> Jeff
: >>
: >> <rootwofake@yahoo.com> wrote in message
: >> news:1135114567.761779.139060@g49g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
: >> >
: >> > 4X4PLAY wrote:
: >> >> Any safer means of attaching two straps together, than with a wooden
: >> >> doweling and still be able to get them apart??
: >> >>
: >> >
: >> > Although it's usually used for rope, a Zeppelin Bend or Rosendahl
Bend
: >> > (same knot) will fit the bill:
: >> >
: >> > http://www.geocities.com/roo_two/Zeppelin.html
: >> >
:
:
Quite a story.
Did you have to change your pants? I think I might have had to.
Glad it was a near miss not a serious incident.
KJK
"4X4PLAY" <jrhiltz@eastlink.ca> wrote in message
news:W_nqf.80$OU5.39@clgrps13...
:I appreciate all the responses folks...
:
: On Sunday myself and a couple friends went out for some snow wheelin' and
: seemed to have all the traction in the world even in the deepest of
: snow...so we decided to venture into what we call the rail system...it's a
: very old trail that has worn ruts that you'll drag your pumpkins over on
: 33's (when there's NO snow!)...my buddies (a YJ and a XJ) both on 35's
were
: struggling but making it...I on the other hand (33's) got half way into
the
: trail and spent 90% of the time high centered enough that the wheels would
: hardly touch the ground if they would at all....I winched my way forward a
: couple times till the winch gave out for the night (mind you it was day
when
: we entered)...I then was taking tugs from my friend in his XJ and it got
: worse and harder to pull me through...kind of like taking the axles off
and
: trying to pull the Jeep through snow ice and mud... the 20' strap wasn't
: long enough so we attached two 20' X 2" 30,000lb straps together with a
: wooden dowel exactly like in Steve's illustration... after a couple
serious
: HARD pulls to get me going, the strap snapped on my side of the dowel and
: the strap with the dowel still attached raced it's way through the back
: window of the XJ and all the way through to smash the front as well...
: fortunately no one was hurt... I'm not sure if I ever will do it
: again...I'll spend the money and put two together permanently... It just
: makes me think that in all the clubs, where family are out and these
methods
: are practiced with family members in the vehicle...it makes me think that
: the guy in Michigan isn't the only person that has died this way.
: Just the strap alone that flew back at my Jeep caved in my front grill
: nicely right next to the drivers headlight...I couldn't imagine what would
: have happened had the strap broke on the other side of the dowel...it
prolly
: would have to come right back through my windshield and killed me.
: anyways back to the trail...we then put two new straps together and ripped
: his heavy custom bumper right out of the frame (no rust in sight) on the
: passenger side...we wound up letting the YJ pull me backwards as we fought
: our way back out of the trail in reverse with our tails between our
legs...
:
: Jeff
:
:
:
:
: "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
: news:43A9C3ED.8E940D9A@sympatico.ca...
: > You know Jeff, that link you are showing the unsafe use of a dowel as a
: > mechanical part of the link appears to be written or copywrited anyway
: > by a John Cranfield, the same gent who lost his eye from the unsafe use
: > of a high lift jack.
: >
: > Seems he likes to live dangerously....
: >
: > This is the safe way: http://xjeep.dyndns.org/slipstrap.jpg
: >
: > Mike
: >
: > 4X4PLAY wrote:
: >>
: >> Hey Mike... if the strap breaks the dowel will still fly right?? or is
it
: >> a
: >> 50/50 thing that it may fall out??
: >>
: >> is this the way you say to attach them??
: >>
: >> http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/6200/dowel19lo.jpg
: >>
: >> Thanks for the responses guys...I just wanna make sure that I can be
the
: >> safest I can be on the trail...I'll explain why in my next post...
: >>
: >> Jeff
: >>
: >> <rootwofake@yahoo.com> wrote in message
: >> news:1135114567.761779.139060@g49g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
: >> >
: >> > 4X4PLAY wrote:
: >> >> Any safer means of attaching two straps together, than with a wooden
: >> >> doweling and still be able to get them apart??
: >> >>
: >> >
: >> > Although it's usually used for rope, a Zeppelin Bend or Rosendahl
Bend
: >> > (same knot) will fit the bill:
: >> >
: >> > http://www.geocities.com/roo_two/Zeppelin.html
: >> >
:
:
#138
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Putting two tow straps together???
WOW!
Quite a story.
Did you have to change your pants? I think I might have had to.
Glad it was a near miss not a serious incident.
KJK
"4X4PLAY" <jrhiltz@eastlink.ca> wrote in message
news:W_nqf.80$OU5.39@clgrps13...
:I appreciate all the responses folks...
:
: On Sunday myself and a couple friends went out for some snow wheelin' and
: seemed to have all the traction in the world even in the deepest of
: snow...so we decided to venture into what we call the rail system...it's a
: very old trail that has worn ruts that you'll drag your pumpkins over on
: 33's (when there's NO snow!)...my buddies (a YJ and a XJ) both on 35's
were
: struggling but making it...I on the other hand (33's) got half way into
the
: trail and spent 90% of the time high centered enough that the wheels would
: hardly touch the ground if they would at all....I winched my way forward a
: couple times till the winch gave out for the night (mind you it was day
when
: we entered)...I then was taking tugs from my friend in his XJ and it got
: worse and harder to pull me through...kind of like taking the axles off
and
: trying to pull the Jeep through snow ice and mud... the 20' strap wasn't
: long enough so we attached two 20' X 2" 30,000lb straps together with a
: wooden dowel exactly like in Steve's illustration... after a couple
serious
: HARD pulls to get me going, the strap snapped on my side of the dowel and
: the strap with the dowel still attached raced it's way through the back
: window of the XJ and all the way through to smash the front as well...
: fortunately no one was hurt... I'm not sure if I ever will do it
: again...I'll spend the money and put two together permanently... It just
: makes me think that in all the clubs, where family are out and these
methods
: are practiced with family members in the vehicle...it makes me think that
: the guy in Michigan isn't the only person that has died this way.
: Just the strap alone that flew back at my Jeep caved in my front grill
: nicely right next to the drivers headlight...I couldn't imagine what would
: have happened had the strap broke on the other side of the dowel...it
prolly
: would have to come right back through my windshield and killed me.
: anyways back to the trail...we then put two new straps together and ripped
: his heavy custom bumper right out of the frame (no rust in sight) on the
: passenger side...we wound up letting the YJ pull me backwards as we fought
: our way back out of the trail in reverse with our tails between our
legs...
:
: Jeff
:
:
:
:
: "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
: news:43A9C3ED.8E940D9A@sympatico.ca...
: > You know Jeff, that link you are showing the unsafe use of a dowel as a
: > mechanical part of the link appears to be written or copywrited anyway
: > by a John Cranfield, the same gent who lost his eye from the unsafe use
: > of a high lift jack.
: >
: > Seems he likes to live dangerously....
: >
: > This is the safe way: http://xjeep.dyndns.org/slipstrap.jpg
: >
: > Mike
: >
: > 4X4PLAY wrote:
: >>
: >> Hey Mike... if the strap breaks the dowel will still fly right?? or is
it
: >> a
: >> 50/50 thing that it may fall out??
: >>
: >> is this the way you say to attach them??
: >>
: >> http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/6200/dowel19lo.jpg
: >>
: >> Thanks for the responses guys...I just wanna make sure that I can be
the
: >> safest I can be on the trail...I'll explain why in my next post...
: >>
: >> Jeff
: >>
: >> <rootwofake@yahoo.com> wrote in message
: >> news:1135114567.761779.139060@g49g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
: >> >
: >> > 4X4PLAY wrote:
: >> >> Any safer means of attaching two straps together, than with a wooden
: >> >> doweling and still be able to get them apart??
: >> >>
: >> >
: >> > Although it's usually used for rope, a Zeppelin Bend or Rosendahl
Bend
: >> > (same knot) will fit the bill:
: >> >
: >> > http://www.geocities.com/roo_two/Zeppelin.html
: >> >
:
:
Quite a story.
Did you have to change your pants? I think I might have had to.
Glad it was a near miss not a serious incident.
KJK
"4X4PLAY" <jrhiltz@eastlink.ca> wrote in message
news:W_nqf.80$OU5.39@clgrps13...
:I appreciate all the responses folks...
:
: On Sunday myself and a couple friends went out for some snow wheelin' and
: seemed to have all the traction in the world even in the deepest of
: snow...so we decided to venture into what we call the rail system...it's a
: very old trail that has worn ruts that you'll drag your pumpkins over on
: 33's (when there's NO snow!)...my buddies (a YJ and a XJ) both on 35's
were
: struggling but making it...I on the other hand (33's) got half way into
the
: trail and spent 90% of the time high centered enough that the wheels would
: hardly touch the ground if they would at all....I winched my way forward a
: couple times till the winch gave out for the night (mind you it was day
when
: we entered)...I then was taking tugs from my friend in his XJ and it got
: worse and harder to pull me through...kind of like taking the axles off
and
: trying to pull the Jeep through snow ice and mud... the 20' strap wasn't
: long enough so we attached two 20' X 2" 30,000lb straps together with a
: wooden dowel exactly like in Steve's illustration... after a couple
serious
: HARD pulls to get me going, the strap snapped on my side of the dowel and
: the strap with the dowel still attached raced it's way through the back
: window of the XJ and all the way through to smash the front as well...
: fortunately no one was hurt... I'm not sure if I ever will do it
: again...I'll spend the money and put two together permanently... It just
: makes me think that in all the clubs, where family are out and these
methods
: are practiced with family members in the vehicle...it makes me think that
: the guy in Michigan isn't the only person that has died this way.
: Just the strap alone that flew back at my Jeep caved in my front grill
: nicely right next to the drivers headlight...I couldn't imagine what would
: have happened had the strap broke on the other side of the dowel...it
prolly
: would have to come right back through my windshield and killed me.
: anyways back to the trail...we then put two new straps together and ripped
: his heavy custom bumper right out of the frame (no rust in sight) on the
: passenger side...we wound up letting the YJ pull me backwards as we fought
: our way back out of the trail in reverse with our tails between our
legs...
:
: Jeff
:
:
:
:
: "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
: news:43A9C3ED.8E940D9A@sympatico.ca...
: > You know Jeff, that link you are showing the unsafe use of a dowel as a
: > mechanical part of the link appears to be written or copywrited anyway
: > by a John Cranfield, the same gent who lost his eye from the unsafe use
: > of a high lift jack.
: >
: > Seems he likes to live dangerously....
: >
: > This is the safe way: http://xjeep.dyndns.org/slipstrap.jpg
: >
: > Mike
: >
: > 4X4PLAY wrote:
: >>
: >> Hey Mike... if the strap breaks the dowel will still fly right?? or is
it
: >> a
: >> 50/50 thing that it may fall out??
: >>
: >> is this the way you say to attach them??
: >>
: >> http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/6200/dowel19lo.jpg
: >>
: >> Thanks for the responses guys...I just wanna make sure that I can be
the
: >> safest I can be on the trail...I'll explain why in my next post...
: >>
: >> Jeff
: >>
: >> <rootwofake@yahoo.com> wrote in message
: >> news:1135114567.761779.139060@g49g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
: >> >
: >> > 4X4PLAY wrote:
: >> >> Any safer means of attaching two straps together, than with a wooden
: >> >> doweling and still be able to get them apart??
: >> >>
: >> >
: >> > Although it's usually used for rope, a Zeppelin Bend or Rosendahl
Bend
: >> > (same knot) will fit the bill:
: >> >
: >> > http://www.geocities.com/roo_two/Zeppelin.html
: >> >
:
:
#139
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Putting two tow straps together???
WOW!
Quite a story.
Did you have to change your pants? I think I might have had to.
Glad it was a near miss not a serious incident.
KJK
"4X4PLAY" <jrhiltz@eastlink.ca> wrote in message
news:W_nqf.80$OU5.39@clgrps13...
:I appreciate all the responses folks...
:
: On Sunday myself and a couple friends went out for some snow wheelin' and
: seemed to have all the traction in the world even in the deepest of
: snow...so we decided to venture into what we call the rail system...it's a
: very old trail that has worn ruts that you'll drag your pumpkins over on
: 33's (when there's NO snow!)...my buddies (a YJ and a XJ) both on 35's
were
: struggling but making it...I on the other hand (33's) got half way into
the
: trail and spent 90% of the time high centered enough that the wheels would
: hardly touch the ground if they would at all....I winched my way forward a
: couple times till the winch gave out for the night (mind you it was day
when
: we entered)...I then was taking tugs from my friend in his XJ and it got
: worse and harder to pull me through...kind of like taking the axles off
and
: trying to pull the Jeep through snow ice and mud... the 20' strap wasn't
: long enough so we attached two 20' X 2" 30,000lb straps together with a
: wooden dowel exactly like in Steve's illustration... after a couple
serious
: HARD pulls to get me going, the strap snapped on my side of the dowel and
: the strap with the dowel still attached raced it's way through the back
: window of the XJ and all the way through to smash the front as well...
: fortunately no one was hurt... I'm not sure if I ever will do it
: again...I'll spend the money and put two together permanently... It just
: makes me think that in all the clubs, where family are out and these
methods
: are practiced with family members in the vehicle...it makes me think that
: the guy in Michigan isn't the only person that has died this way.
: Just the strap alone that flew back at my Jeep caved in my front grill
: nicely right next to the drivers headlight...I couldn't imagine what would
: have happened had the strap broke on the other side of the dowel...it
prolly
: would have to come right back through my windshield and killed me.
: anyways back to the trail...we then put two new straps together and ripped
: his heavy custom bumper right out of the frame (no rust in sight) on the
: passenger side...we wound up letting the YJ pull me backwards as we fought
: our way back out of the trail in reverse with our tails between our
legs...
:
: Jeff
:
:
:
:
: "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
: news:43A9C3ED.8E940D9A@sympatico.ca...
: > You know Jeff, that link you are showing the unsafe use of a dowel as a
: > mechanical part of the link appears to be written or copywrited anyway
: > by a John Cranfield, the same gent who lost his eye from the unsafe use
: > of a high lift jack.
: >
: > Seems he likes to live dangerously....
: >
: > This is the safe way: http://xjeep.dyndns.org/slipstrap.jpg
: >
: > Mike
: >
: > 4X4PLAY wrote:
: >>
: >> Hey Mike... if the strap breaks the dowel will still fly right?? or is
it
: >> a
: >> 50/50 thing that it may fall out??
: >>
: >> is this the way you say to attach them??
: >>
: >> http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/6200/dowel19lo.jpg
: >>
: >> Thanks for the responses guys...I just wanna make sure that I can be
the
: >> safest I can be on the trail...I'll explain why in my next post...
: >>
: >> Jeff
: >>
: >> <rootwofake@yahoo.com> wrote in message
: >> news:1135114567.761779.139060@g49g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
: >> >
: >> > 4X4PLAY wrote:
: >> >> Any safer means of attaching two straps together, than with a wooden
: >> >> doweling and still be able to get them apart??
: >> >>
: >> >
: >> > Although it's usually used for rope, a Zeppelin Bend or Rosendahl
Bend
: >> > (same knot) will fit the bill:
: >> >
: >> > http://www.geocities.com/roo_two/Zeppelin.html
: >> >
:
:
Quite a story.
Did you have to change your pants? I think I might have had to.
Glad it was a near miss not a serious incident.
KJK
"4X4PLAY" <jrhiltz@eastlink.ca> wrote in message
news:W_nqf.80$OU5.39@clgrps13...
:I appreciate all the responses folks...
:
: On Sunday myself and a couple friends went out for some snow wheelin' and
: seemed to have all the traction in the world even in the deepest of
: snow...so we decided to venture into what we call the rail system...it's a
: very old trail that has worn ruts that you'll drag your pumpkins over on
: 33's (when there's NO snow!)...my buddies (a YJ and a XJ) both on 35's
were
: struggling but making it...I on the other hand (33's) got half way into
the
: trail and spent 90% of the time high centered enough that the wheels would
: hardly touch the ground if they would at all....I winched my way forward a
: couple times till the winch gave out for the night (mind you it was day
when
: we entered)...I then was taking tugs from my friend in his XJ and it got
: worse and harder to pull me through...kind of like taking the axles off
and
: trying to pull the Jeep through snow ice and mud... the 20' strap wasn't
: long enough so we attached two 20' X 2" 30,000lb straps together with a
: wooden dowel exactly like in Steve's illustration... after a couple
serious
: HARD pulls to get me going, the strap snapped on my side of the dowel and
: the strap with the dowel still attached raced it's way through the back
: window of the XJ and all the way through to smash the front as well...
: fortunately no one was hurt... I'm not sure if I ever will do it
: again...I'll spend the money and put two together permanently... It just
: makes me think that in all the clubs, where family are out and these
methods
: are practiced with family members in the vehicle...it makes me think that
: the guy in Michigan isn't the only person that has died this way.
: Just the strap alone that flew back at my Jeep caved in my front grill
: nicely right next to the drivers headlight...I couldn't imagine what would
: have happened had the strap broke on the other side of the dowel...it
prolly
: would have to come right back through my windshield and killed me.
: anyways back to the trail...we then put two new straps together and ripped
: his heavy custom bumper right out of the frame (no rust in sight) on the
: passenger side...we wound up letting the YJ pull me backwards as we fought
: our way back out of the trail in reverse with our tails between our
legs...
:
: Jeff
:
:
:
:
: "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
: news:43A9C3ED.8E940D9A@sympatico.ca...
: > You know Jeff, that link you are showing the unsafe use of a dowel as a
: > mechanical part of the link appears to be written or copywrited anyway
: > by a John Cranfield, the same gent who lost his eye from the unsafe use
: > of a high lift jack.
: >
: > Seems he likes to live dangerously....
: >
: > This is the safe way: http://xjeep.dyndns.org/slipstrap.jpg
: >
: > Mike
: >
: > 4X4PLAY wrote:
: >>
: >> Hey Mike... if the strap breaks the dowel will still fly right?? or is
it
: >> a
: >> 50/50 thing that it may fall out??
: >>
: >> is this the way you say to attach them??
: >>
: >> http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/6200/dowel19lo.jpg
: >>
: >> Thanks for the responses guys...I just wanna make sure that I can be
the
: >> safest I can be on the trail...I'll explain why in my next post...
: >>
: >> Jeff
: >>
: >> <rootwofake@yahoo.com> wrote in message
: >> news:1135114567.761779.139060@g49g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
: >> >
: >> > 4X4PLAY wrote:
: >> >> Any safer means of attaching two straps together, than with a wooden
: >> >> doweling and still be able to get them apart??
: >> >>
: >> >
: >> > Although it's usually used for rope, a Zeppelin Bend or Rosendahl
Bend
: >> > (same knot) will fit the bill:
: >> >
: >> > http://www.geocities.com/roo_two/Zeppelin.html
: >> >
:
:
#140
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Putting two tow straps together???
Get any photos?
Mike
4X4PLAY wrote:
>
> I appreciate all the responses folks...
>
> On Sunday myself and a couple friends went out for some snow wheelin' and
> seemed to have all the traction in the world even in the deepest of
> snow...so we decided to venture into what we call the rail system...it's a
> very old trail that has worn ruts that you'll drag your pumpkins over on
> 33's (when there's NO snow!)...my buddies (a YJ and a XJ) both on 35's were
> struggling but making it...I on the other hand (33's) got half way into the
> trail and spent 90% of the time high centered enough that the wheels would
> hardly touch the ground if they would at all....I winched my way forward a
> couple times till the winch gave out for the night (mind you it was day when
> we entered)...I then was taking tugs from my friend in his XJ and it got
> worse and harder to pull me through...kind of like taking the axles off and
> trying to pull the Jeep through snow ice and mud... the 20' strap wasn't
> long enough so we attached two 20' X 2" 30,000lb straps together with a
> wooden dowel exactly like in Steve's illustration... after a couple serious
> HARD pulls to get me going, the strap snapped on my side of the dowel and
> the strap with the dowel still attached raced it's way through the back
> window of the XJ and all the way through to smash the front as well...
> fortunately no one was hurt... I'm not sure if I ever will do it
> again...I'll spend the money and put two together permanently... It just
> makes me think that in all the clubs, where family are out and these methods
> are practiced with family members in the vehicle...it makes me think that
> the guy in Michigan isn't the only person that has died this way.
> Just the strap alone that flew back at my Jeep caved in my front grill
> nicely right next to the drivers headlight...I couldn't imagine what would
> have happened had the strap broke on the other side of the dowel...it prolly
> would have to come right back through my windshield and killed me.
> anyways back to the trail...we then put two new straps together and ripped
> his heavy custom bumper right out of the frame (no rust in sight) on the
> passenger side...we wound up letting the YJ pull me backwards as we fought
> our way back out of the trail in reverse with our tails between our legs...
>
> Jeff
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:43A9C3ED.8E940D9A@sympatico.ca...
> > You know Jeff, that link you are showing the unsafe use of a dowel as a
> > mechanical part of the link appears to be written or copywrited anyway
> > by a John Cranfield, the same gent who lost his eye from the unsafe use
> > of a high lift jack.
> >
> > Seems he likes to live dangerously....
> >
> > This is the safe way: http://xjeep.dyndns.org/slipstrap.jpg
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > 4X4PLAY wrote:
> >>
> >> Hey Mike... if the strap breaks the dowel will still fly right?? or is it
> >> a
> >> 50/50 thing that it may fall out??
> >>
> >> is this the way you say to attach them??
> >>
> >> http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/6200/dowel19lo.jpg
> >>
> >> Thanks for the responses guys...I just wanna make sure that I can be the
> >> safest I can be on the trail...I'll explain why in my next post...
> >>
> >> Jeff
> >>
> >> <rootwofake@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >> news:1135114567.761779.139060@g49g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> >> >
> >> > 4X4PLAY wrote:
> >> >> Any safer means of attaching two straps together, than with a wooden
> >> >> doweling and still be able to get them apart??
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > Although it's usually used for rope, a Zeppelin Bend or Rosendahl Bend
> >> > (same knot) will fit the bill:
> >> >
> >> > http://www.geocities.com/roo_two/Zeppelin.html
> >> >
Mike
4X4PLAY wrote:
>
> I appreciate all the responses folks...
>
> On Sunday myself and a couple friends went out for some snow wheelin' and
> seemed to have all the traction in the world even in the deepest of
> snow...so we decided to venture into what we call the rail system...it's a
> very old trail that has worn ruts that you'll drag your pumpkins over on
> 33's (when there's NO snow!)...my buddies (a YJ and a XJ) both on 35's were
> struggling but making it...I on the other hand (33's) got half way into the
> trail and spent 90% of the time high centered enough that the wheels would
> hardly touch the ground if they would at all....I winched my way forward a
> couple times till the winch gave out for the night (mind you it was day when
> we entered)...I then was taking tugs from my friend in his XJ and it got
> worse and harder to pull me through...kind of like taking the axles off and
> trying to pull the Jeep through snow ice and mud... the 20' strap wasn't
> long enough so we attached two 20' X 2" 30,000lb straps together with a
> wooden dowel exactly like in Steve's illustration... after a couple serious
> HARD pulls to get me going, the strap snapped on my side of the dowel and
> the strap with the dowel still attached raced it's way through the back
> window of the XJ and all the way through to smash the front as well...
> fortunately no one was hurt... I'm not sure if I ever will do it
> again...I'll spend the money and put two together permanently... It just
> makes me think that in all the clubs, where family are out and these methods
> are practiced with family members in the vehicle...it makes me think that
> the guy in Michigan isn't the only person that has died this way.
> Just the strap alone that flew back at my Jeep caved in my front grill
> nicely right next to the drivers headlight...I couldn't imagine what would
> have happened had the strap broke on the other side of the dowel...it prolly
> would have to come right back through my windshield and killed me.
> anyways back to the trail...we then put two new straps together and ripped
> his heavy custom bumper right out of the frame (no rust in sight) on the
> passenger side...we wound up letting the YJ pull me backwards as we fought
> our way back out of the trail in reverse with our tails between our legs...
>
> Jeff
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:43A9C3ED.8E940D9A@sympatico.ca...
> > You know Jeff, that link you are showing the unsafe use of a dowel as a
> > mechanical part of the link appears to be written or copywrited anyway
> > by a John Cranfield, the same gent who lost his eye from the unsafe use
> > of a high lift jack.
> >
> > Seems he likes to live dangerously....
> >
> > This is the safe way: http://xjeep.dyndns.org/slipstrap.jpg
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > 4X4PLAY wrote:
> >>
> >> Hey Mike... if the strap breaks the dowel will still fly right?? or is it
> >> a
> >> 50/50 thing that it may fall out??
> >>
> >> is this the way you say to attach them??
> >>
> >> http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/6200/dowel19lo.jpg
> >>
> >> Thanks for the responses guys...I just wanna make sure that I can be the
> >> safest I can be on the trail...I'll explain why in my next post...
> >>
> >> Jeff
> >>
> >> <rootwofake@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >> news:1135114567.761779.139060@g49g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> >> >
> >> > 4X4PLAY wrote:
> >> >> Any safer means of attaching two straps together, than with a wooden
> >> >> doweling and still be able to get them apart??
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > Although it's usually used for rope, a Zeppelin Bend or Rosendahl Bend
> >> > (same knot) will fit the bill:
> >> >
> >> > http://www.geocities.com/roo_two/Zeppelin.html
> >> >