Putting two tow straps together???
#111
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Putting two tow straps together???
When you have the two loops from the two straps hooked, they are a solid
mechanical connection with no chance of letting go short of snapping the
strap.
The stick just sits jammed between the two loops. It has no function
other than to be used as a pry bar to get the sucker apart. The loops
will get snugged together tight. You can do without it and use a metal
pry bar like a tire iron later to try and pull them apart.
If the stick fails, all it can do is crush and fold, that is why one
person mentioned using a cut down axe handle. The handle is unlikely to
crush.
If however, the stick is used as a mechanical part of the connection,
when it fails, it 'will' go ballistic, I have seen it happen. It
doesn't try to impail the driver like a D-ring would, it goes out
sideways after the spectators....
Mike
"KJ.Kate" wrote:
>
> It's good to see someone passsionate about safety.
> Hubs is a safety nut too, yeas as an Operating Engineer has him very
> contientious about such things.
>
> Sorry if I yanked a knot in your tail.
> BUT
> If I hadn't, think of all the things I might have never learned :)
> Thanks for the clarification!
>
> Personally, I am prone to asking a ton of questions and learning as much as
> I can from those who have been there before I have. In the case of straps
> like these, I have no clue so am soaking up as much information as I can.
>
> Now I have really learned soemthing but I am still not so sure about putting
> a stick in the middle. Be it a chunk of hickory or whatever in the middle.
> It still sounds dangerous.
>
> KJK
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:43A99192.518743CA@sympatico.ca...
> : Sorry about getting all worked up there, I have just seen too many dumb
> : things when it come to proper gear use....
> :
> : He is using construction straps or slings then.
> :
> : These are a 'totally' different animal than the 'elastic band' type of
> : ****** strap that is normally seen off road.
> :
> : They are like a chain or tow strap with no give and a shackle or D-ring
> : is fine to use with them, proper even. :-)
> :
> : Our straps stretch like crazy when trying to pull someone out of mud and
> : never come up hard so the kinetic energy stored in them is massive.
> :
> : Mike
> :
> : "KJ.Kate" wrote:
> : >
> : > Easy there big boy....
> : > Don't get all shook up.
> : >
> : > I understand the theory and the logic, as does my husband.
> : > I was just tossing in another opinion, that was offered from over my
> : > shoulder.
> : >
> : > Keep in mind, that the slings that he (my husband uses) are in heavy
> : > construction. Much larger than anything any of us would use, and for
> : > different purposes such as lifting as with a crane, not pulling.
> : >
> : > KJK
> : >
> : > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> : > news:43A97566.9F6CAFE5@sympatico.ca...
> : > : "KJ.Kate" wrote:
> : > : >
> : > : > "Carl" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
> : > : > news:_4udnRaovYetHDreRVn-uQ@comcast.com...
> : > : > : D-shackle, if they have loop ends.
> : > : > :
> : > : > : Carl
> : > : >
> : > : > That's what my husband says too.
> : > : > He says it is the 'approved method' of joining two straps together.
> : > : >
> : > : > KJK
> : > :
> : > : That is THE 'most' dangerous way to do it and would never be allowed
> on
> : > : any organized run or any RAMJ+W (newsgroup) run we put on.
> : > :
> : > : If one strap breaks, the D-ring 'will' go ballistic and it can go
> : > : through the windshield, then through the driver, then through the seat
> : > : and out the back window. People get killed that way.
> : > :
> : > : See:
> : > : http://www.southernhighrollers.com/t..._miss_from.htm
> : > :
> : > : Why is it so difficult for folks to just use the loops provided to put
> : > : the two straps together????? It is simple and idiot proof and not
> : > : likely to fail with deadly results.
> : > :
> : > : See: http://xjeep.dyndns.org/slipstrap.jpg
> : > :
> : > : Mike
> : > : 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> : > : 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> : > : Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> : > : Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
> : > : (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
mechanical connection with no chance of letting go short of snapping the
strap.
The stick just sits jammed between the two loops. It has no function
other than to be used as a pry bar to get the sucker apart. The loops
will get snugged together tight. You can do without it and use a metal
pry bar like a tire iron later to try and pull them apart.
If the stick fails, all it can do is crush and fold, that is why one
person mentioned using a cut down axe handle. The handle is unlikely to
crush.
If however, the stick is used as a mechanical part of the connection,
when it fails, it 'will' go ballistic, I have seen it happen. It
doesn't try to impail the driver like a D-ring would, it goes out
sideways after the spectators....
Mike
"KJ.Kate" wrote:
>
> It's good to see someone passsionate about safety.
> Hubs is a safety nut too, yeas as an Operating Engineer has him very
> contientious about such things.
>
> Sorry if I yanked a knot in your tail.
> BUT
> If I hadn't, think of all the things I might have never learned :)
> Thanks for the clarification!
>
> Personally, I am prone to asking a ton of questions and learning as much as
> I can from those who have been there before I have. In the case of straps
> like these, I have no clue so am soaking up as much information as I can.
>
> Now I have really learned soemthing but I am still not so sure about putting
> a stick in the middle. Be it a chunk of hickory or whatever in the middle.
> It still sounds dangerous.
>
> KJK
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:43A99192.518743CA@sympatico.ca...
> : Sorry about getting all worked up there, I have just seen too many dumb
> : things when it come to proper gear use....
> :
> : He is using construction straps or slings then.
> :
> : These are a 'totally' different animal than the 'elastic band' type of
> : ****** strap that is normally seen off road.
> :
> : They are like a chain or tow strap with no give and a shackle or D-ring
> : is fine to use with them, proper even. :-)
> :
> : Our straps stretch like crazy when trying to pull someone out of mud and
> : never come up hard so the kinetic energy stored in them is massive.
> :
> : Mike
> :
> : "KJ.Kate" wrote:
> : >
> : > Easy there big boy....
> : > Don't get all shook up.
> : >
> : > I understand the theory and the logic, as does my husband.
> : > I was just tossing in another opinion, that was offered from over my
> : > shoulder.
> : >
> : > Keep in mind, that the slings that he (my husband uses) are in heavy
> : > construction. Much larger than anything any of us would use, and for
> : > different purposes such as lifting as with a crane, not pulling.
> : >
> : > KJK
> : >
> : > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> : > news:43A97566.9F6CAFE5@sympatico.ca...
> : > : "KJ.Kate" wrote:
> : > : >
> : > : > "Carl" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
> : > : > news:_4udnRaovYetHDreRVn-uQ@comcast.com...
> : > : > : D-shackle, if they have loop ends.
> : > : > :
> : > : > : Carl
> : > : >
> : > : > That's what my husband says too.
> : > : > He says it is the 'approved method' of joining two straps together.
> : > : >
> : > : > KJK
> : > :
> : > : That is THE 'most' dangerous way to do it and would never be allowed
> on
> : > : any organized run or any RAMJ+W (newsgroup) run we put on.
> : > :
> : > : If one strap breaks, the D-ring 'will' go ballistic and it can go
> : > : through the windshield, then through the driver, then through the seat
> : > : and out the back window. People get killed that way.
> : > :
> : > : See:
> : > : http://www.southernhighrollers.com/t..._miss_from.htm
> : > :
> : > : Why is it so difficult for folks to just use the loops provided to put
> : > : the two straps together????? It is simple and idiot proof and not
> : > : likely to fail with deadly results.
> : > :
> : > : See: http://xjeep.dyndns.org/slipstrap.jpg
> : > :
> : > : Mike
> : > : 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> : > : 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> : > : Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> : > : Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
> : > : (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
#112
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Putting two tow straps together???
When you have the two loops from the two straps hooked, they are a solid
mechanical connection with no chance of letting go short of snapping the
strap.
The stick just sits jammed between the two loops. It has no function
other than to be used as a pry bar to get the sucker apart. The loops
will get snugged together tight. You can do without it and use a metal
pry bar like a tire iron later to try and pull them apart.
If the stick fails, all it can do is crush and fold, that is why one
person mentioned using a cut down axe handle. The handle is unlikely to
crush.
If however, the stick is used as a mechanical part of the connection,
when it fails, it 'will' go ballistic, I have seen it happen. It
doesn't try to impail the driver like a D-ring would, it goes out
sideways after the spectators....
Mike
"KJ.Kate" wrote:
>
> It's good to see someone passsionate about safety.
> Hubs is a safety nut too, yeas as an Operating Engineer has him very
> contientious about such things.
>
> Sorry if I yanked a knot in your tail.
> BUT
> If I hadn't, think of all the things I might have never learned :)
> Thanks for the clarification!
>
> Personally, I am prone to asking a ton of questions and learning as much as
> I can from those who have been there before I have. In the case of straps
> like these, I have no clue so am soaking up as much information as I can.
>
> Now I have really learned soemthing but I am still not so sure about putting
> a stick in the middle. Be it a chunk of hickory or whatever in the middle.
> It still sounds dangerous.
>
> KJK
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:43A99192.518743CA@sympatico.ca...
> : Sorry about getting all worked up there, I have just seen too many dumb
> : things when it come to proper gear use....
> :
> : He is using construction straps or slings then.
> :
> : These are a 'totally' different animal than the 'elastic band' type of
> : ****** strap that is normally seen off road.
> :
> : They are like a chain or tow strap with no give and a shackle or D-ring
> : is fine to use with them, proper even. :-)
> :
> : Our straps stretch like crazy when trying to pull someone out of mud and
> : never come up hard so the kinetic energy stored in them is massive.
> :
> : Mike
> :
> : "KJ.Kate" wrote:
> : >
> : > Easy there big boy....
> : > Don't get all shook up.
> : >
> : > I understand the theory and the logic, as does my husband.
> : > I was just tossing in another opinion, that was offered from over my
> : > shoulder.
> : >
> : > Keep in mind, that the slings that he (my husband uses) are in heavy
> : > construction. Much larger than anything any of us would use, and for
> : > different purposes such as lifting as with a crane, not pulling.
> : >
> : > KJK
> : >
> : > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> : > news:43A97566.9F6CAFE5@sympatico.ca...
> : > : "KJ.Kate" wrote:
> : > : >
> : > : > "Carl" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
> : > : > news:_4udnRaovYetHDreRVn-uQ@comcast.com...
> : > : > : D-shackle, if they have loop ends.
> : > : > :
> : > : > : Carl
> : > : >
> : > : > That's what my husband says too.
> : > : > He says it is the 'approved method' of joining two straps together.
> : > : >
> : > : > KJK
> : > :
> : > : That is THE 'most' dangerous way to do it and would never be allowed
> on
> : > : any organized run or any RAMJ+W (newsgroup) run we put on.
> : > :
> : > : If one strap breaks, the D-ring 'will' go ballistic and it can go
> : > : through the windshield, then through the driver, then through the seat
> : > : and out the back window. People get killed that way.
> : > :
> : > : See:
> : > : http://www.southernhighrollers.com/t..._miss_from.htm
> : > :
> : > : Why is it so difficult for folks to just use the loops provided to put
> : > : the two straps together????? It is simple and idiot proof and not
> : > : likely to fail with deadly results.
> : > :
> : > : See: http://xjeep.dyndns.org/slipstrap.jpg
> : > :
> : > : Mike
> : > : 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> : > : 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> : > : Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> : > : Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
> : > : (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
mechanical connection with no chance of letting go short of snapping the
strap.
The stick just sits jammed between the two loops. It has no function
other than to be used as a pry bar to get the sucker apart. The loops
will get snugged together tight. You can do without it and use a metal
pry bar like a tire iron later to try and pull them apart.
If the stick fails, all it can do is crush and fold, that is why one
person mentioned using a cut down axe handle. The handle is unlikely to
crush.
If however, the stick is used as a mechanical part of the connection,
when it fails, it 'will' go ballistic, I have seen it happen. It
doesn't try to impail the driver like a D-ring would, it goes out
sideways after the spectators....
Mike
"KJ.Kate" wrote:
>
> It's good to see someone passsionate about safety.
> Hubs is a safety nut too, yeas as an Operating Engineer has him very
> contientious about such things.
>
> Sorry if I yanked a knot in your tail.
> BUT
> If I hadn't, think of all the things I might have never learned :)
> Thanks for the clarification!
>
> Personally, I am prone to asking a ton of questions and learning as much as
> I can from those who have been there before I have. In the case of straps
> like these, I have no clue so am soaking up as much information as I can.
>
> Now I have really learned soemthing but I am still not so sure about putting
> a stick in the middle. Be it a chunk of hickory or whatever in the middle.
> It still sounds dangerous.
>
> KJK
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:43A99192.518743CA@sympatico.ca...
> : Sorry about getting all worked up there, I have just seen too many dumb
> : things when it come to proper gear use....
> :
> : He is using construction straps or slings then.
> :
> : These are a 'totally' different animal than the 'elastic band' type of
> : ****** strap that is normally seen off road.
> :
> : They are like a chain or tow strap with no give and a shackle or D-ring
> : is fine to use with them, proper even. :-)
> :
> : Our straps stretch like crazy when trying to pull someone out of mud and
> : never come up hard so the kinetic energy stored in them is massive.
> :
> : Mike
> :
> : "KJ.Kate" wrote:
> : >
> : > Easy there big boy....
> : > Don't get all shook up.
> : >
> : > I understand the theory and the logic, as does my husband.
> : > I was just tossing in another opinion, that was offered from over my
> : > shoulder.
> : >
> : > Keep in mind, that the slings that he (my husband uses) are in heavy
> : > construction. Much larger than anything any of us would use, and for
> : > different purposes such as lifting as with a crane, not pulling.
> : >
> : > KJK
> : >
> : > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> : > news:43A97566.9F6CAFE5@sympatico.ca...
> : > : "KJ.Kate" wrote:
> : > : >
> : > : > "Carl" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
> : > : > news:_4udnRaovYetHDreRVn-uQ@comcast.com...
> : > : > : D-shackle, if they have loop ends.
> : > : > :
> : > : > : Carl
> : > : >
> : > : > That's what my husband says too.
> : > : > He says it is the 'approved method' of joining two straps together.
> : > : >
> : > : > KJK
> : > :
> : > : That is THE 'most' dangerous way to do it and would never be allowed
> on
> : > : any organized run or any RAMJ+W (newsgroup) run we put on.
> : > :
> : > : If one strap breaks, the D-ring 'will' go ballistic and it can go
> : > : through the windshield, then through the driver, then through the seat
> : > : and out the back window. People get killed that way.
> : > :
> : > : See:
> : > : http://www.southernhighrollers.com/t..._miss_from.htm
> : > :
> : > : Why is it so difficult for folks to just use the loops provided to put
> : > : the two straps together????? It is simple and idiot proof and not
> : > : likely to fail with deadly results.
> : > :
> : > : See: http://xjeep.dyndns.org/slipstrap.jpg
> : > :
> : > : Mike
> : > : 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> : > : 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> : > : Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> : > : Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
> : > : (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
#113
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Putting two tow straps together???
What I find amazing as an observer to this thread, once a defect has
been established in a method, why do people continue to defend their
point? Using a D Ring or any other object to connect 2 straps can
be dangerous. Notice, I didn't say it "IS" dangerous. Many things
are dangerous while 4 wheeling. If you see someone take a line and
get stuck, do you usually take the same line, or do you look for a
safer way of getting around the obstacle? If you see someone roll
their ride, do you take the same line? The answer of course is NO.
So after an explanation of the perils when using a D ring or other
mechanical device to connect 2 straps, why would you consider using
that method, much less trying to defend your point of view. We've
been told of one friend losing his life, I don't know if it has
happened more than this one time, but do you want to be the second?
And if you do, what's it mean to me? Other than I can tell your
wife that "I told him so". So, do what you want, follow the rules
of your club, if you belong to a club. Don't put other people in
harms way. Don't put yourself in harms way if someone want to do
something stupid. Have a nice day and I hope to see you on the
trails.
Jim Smith
(Soapbox Designer)
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:43A9B471.79768D63@sympatico.ca...
> When you have the two loops from the two straps hooked, they are a
> solid
> mechanical connection with no chance of letting go short of
> snapping the
> strap.
>
> The stick just sits jammed between the two loops. It has no
> function
> other than to be used as a pry bar to get the sucker apart. The
> loops
> will get snugged together tight. You can do without it and use a
> metal
> pry bar like a tire iron later to try and pull them apart.
>
> If the stick fails, all it can do is crush and fold, that is why
> one
> person mentioned using a cut down axe handle. The handle is
> unlikely to
> crush.
>
> If however, the stick is used as a mechanical part of the
> connection,
> when it fails, it 'will' go ballistic, I have seen it happen. It
> doesn't try to impail the driver like a D-ring would, it goes out
> sideways after the spectators....
>
> Mike
>
> "KJ.Kate" wrote:
>>
>> It's good to see someone passsionate about safety.
>> Hubs is a safety nut too, yeas as an Operating Engineer has him
>> very
>> contientious about such things.
>>
>> Sorry if I yanked a knot in your tail.
>> BUT
>> If I hadn't, think of all the things I might have never learned
>> :)
>> Thanks for the clarification!
>>
>> Personally, I am prone to asking a ton of questions and learning
>> as much as
>> I can from those who have been there before I have. In the case
>> of straps
>> like these, I have no clue so am soaking up as much information
>> as I can.
>>
>> Now I have really learned soemthing but I am still not so sure
>> about putting
>> a stick in the middle. Be it a chunk of hickory or whatever in
>> the middle.
>> It still sounds dangerous.
>>
>> KJK
>>
>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:43A99192.518743CA@sympatico.ca...
>> : Sorry about getting all worked up there, I have just seen too
>> many dumb
>> : things when it come to proper gear use....
>> :
>> : He is using construction straps or slings then.
>> :
>> : These are a 'totally' different animal than the 'elastic band'
>> type of
>> : ****** strap that is normally seen off road.
>> :
>> : They are like a chain or tow strap with no give and a shackle
>> or D-ring
>> : is fine to use with them, proper even. :-)
>> :
>> : Our straps stretch like crazy when trying to pull someone out
>> of mud and
>> : never come up hard so the kinetic energy stored in them is
>> massive.
>> :
>> : Mike
>> :
>> : "KJ.Kate" wrote:
>> : >
>> : > Easy there big boy....
>> : > Don't get all shook up.
>> : >
>> : > I understand the theory and the logic, as does my husband.
>> : > I was just tossing in another opinion, that was offered from
>> over my
>> : > shoulder.
>> : >
>> : > Keep in mind, that the slings that he (my husband uses) are
>> in heavy
>> : > construction. Much larger than anything any of us would use,
>> and for
>> : > different purposes such as lifting as with a crane, not
>> pulling.
>> : >
>> : > KJK
>> : >
>> : > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> : > news:43A97566.9F6CAFE5@sympatico.ca...
>> : > : "KJ.Kate" wrote:
>> : > : >
>> : > : > "Carl" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> : > : > news:_4udnRaovYetHDreRVn-uQ@comcast.com...
>> : > : > : D-shackle, if they have loop ends.
>> : > : > :
>> : > : > : Carl
>> : > : >
>> : > : > That's what my husband says too.
>> : > : > He says it is the 'approved method' of joining two straps
>> together.
>> : > : >
>> : > : > KJK
>> : > :
>> : > : That is THE 'most' dangerous way to do it and would never
>> be allowed
>> on
>> : > : any organized run or any RAMJ+W (newsgroup) run we put on.
>> : > :
>> : > : If one strap breaks, the D-ring 'will' go ballistic and it
>> can go
>> : > : through the windshield, then through the driver, then
>> through the seat
>> : > : and out the back window. People get killed that way.
>> : > :
>> : > : See:
>> : > :
>> http://www.southernhighrollers.com/t..._miss_from.htm
>> : > :
>> : > : Why is it so difficult for folks to just use the loops
>> provided to put
>> : > : the two straps together????? It is simple and idiot proof
>> and not
>> : > : likely to fail with deadly results.
>> : > :
>> : > : See: http://xjeep.dyndns.org/slipstrap.jpg
>> : > :
>> : > : Mike
>> : > : 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in
>> '00
>> : > : 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> : > : Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still
>> view!
>> : > : Aug./05
>> http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
>> : > : (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
been established in a method, why do people continue to defend their
point? Using a D Ring or any other object to connect 2 straps can
be dangerous. Notice, I didn't say it "IS" dangerous. Many things
are dangerous while 4 wheeling. If you see someone take a line and
get stuck, do you usually take the same line, or do you look for a
safer way of getting around the obstacle? If you see someone roll
their ride, do you take the same line? The answer of course is NO.
So after an explanation of the perils when using a D ring or other
mechanical device to connect 2 straps, why would you consider using
that method, much less trying to defend your point of view. We've
been told of one friend losing his life, I don't know if it has
happened more than this one time, but do you want to be the second?
And if you do, what's it mean to me? Other than I can tell your
wife that "I told him so". So, do what you want, follow the rules
of your club, if you belong to a club. Don't put other people in
harms way. Don't put yourself in harms way if someone want to do
something stupid. Have a nice day and I hope to see you on the
trails.
Jim Smith
(Soapbox Designer)
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:43A9B471.79768D63@sympatico.ca...
> When you have the two loops from the two straps hooked, they are a
> solid
> mechanical connection with no chance of letting go short of
> snapping the
> strap.
>
> The stick just sits jammed between the two loops. It has no
> function
> other than to be used as a pry bar to get the sucker apart. The
> loops
> will get snugged together tight. You can do without it and use a
> metal
> pry bar like a tire iron later to try and pull them apart.
>
> If the stick fails, all it can do is crush and fold, that is why
> one
> person mentioned using a cut down axe handle. The handle is
> unlikely to
> crush.
>
> If however, the stick is used as a mechanical part of the
> connection,
> when it fails, it 'will' go ballistic, I have seen it happen. It
> doesn't try to impail the driver like a D-ring would, it goes out
> sideways after the spectators....
>
> Mike
>
> "KJ.Kate" wrote:
>>
>> It's good to see someone passsionate about safety.
>> Hubs is a safety nut too, yeas as an Operating Engineer has him
>> very
>> contientious about such things.
>>
>> Sorry if I yanked a knot in your tail.
>> BUT
>> If I hadn't, think of all the things I might have never learned
>> :)
>> Thanks for the clarification!
>>
>> Personally, I am prone to asking a ton of questions and learning
>> as much as
>> I can from those who have been there before I have. In the case
>> of straps
>> like these, I have no clue so am soaking up as much information
>> as I can.
>>
>> Now I have really learned soemthing but I am still not so sure
>> about putting
>> a stick in the middle. Be it a chunk of hickory or whatever in
>> the middle.
>> It still sounds dangerous.
>>
>> KJK
>>
>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:43A99192.518743CA@sympatico.ca...
>> : Sorry about getting all worked up there, I have just seen too
>> many dumb
>> : things when it come to proper gear use....
>> :
>> : He is using construction straps or slings then.
>> :
>> : These are a 'totally' different animal than the 'elastic band'
>> type of
>> : ****** strap that is normally seen off road.
>> :
>> : They are like a chain or tow strap with no give and a shackle
>> or D-ring
>> : is fine to use with them, proper even. :-)
>> :
>> : Our straps stretch like crazy when trying to pull someone out
>> of mud and
>> : never come up hard so the kinetic energy stored in them is
>> massive.
>> :
>> : Mike
>> :
>> : "KJ.Kate" wrote:
>> : >
>> : > Easy there big boy....
>> : > Don't get all shook up.
>> : >
>> : > I understand the theory and the logic, as does my husband.
>> : > I was just tossing in another opinion, that was offered from
>> over my
>> : > shoulder.
>> : >
>> : > Keep in mind, that the slings that he (my husband uses) are
>> in heavy
>> : > construction. Much larger than anything any of us would use,
>> and for
>> : > different purposes such as lifting as with a crane, not
>> pulling.
>> : >
>> : > KJK
>> : >
>> : > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> : > news:43A97566.9F6CAFE5@sympatico.ca...
>> : > : "KJ.Kate" wrote:
>> : > : >
>> : > : > "Carl" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> : > : > news:_4udnRaovYetHDreRVn-uQ@comcast.com...
>> : > : > : D-shackle, if they have loop ends.
>> : > : > :
>> : > : > : Carl
>> : > : >
>> : > : > That's what my husband says too.
>> : > : > He says it is the 'approved method' of joining two straps
>> together.
>> : > : >
>> : > : > KJK
>> : > :
>> : > : That is THE 'most' dangerous way to do it and would never
>> be allowed
>> on
>> : > : any organized run or any RAMJ+W (newsgroup) run we put on.
>> : > :
>> : > : If one strap breaks, the D-ring 'will' go ballistic and it
>> can go
>> : > : through the windshield, then through the driver, then
>> through the seat
>> : > : and out the back window. People get killed that way.
>> : > :
>> : > : See:
>> : > :
>> http://www.southernhighrollers.com/t..._miss_from.htm
>> : > :
>> : > : Why is it so difficult for folks to just use the loops
>> provided to put
>> : > : the two straps together????? It is simple and idiot proof
>> and not
>> : > : likely to fail with deadly results.
>> : > :
>> : > : See: http://xjeep.dyndns.org/slipstrap.jpg
>> : > :
>> : > : Mike
>> : > : 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in
>> '00
>> : > : 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> : > : Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still
>> view!
>> : > : Aug./05
>> http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
>> : > : (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
#114
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Putting two tow straps together???
What I find amazing as an observer to this thread, once a defect has
been established in a method, why do people continue to defend their
point? Using a D Ring or any other object to connect 2 straps can
be dangerous. Notice, I didn't say it "IS" dangerous. Many things
are dangerous while 4 wheeling. If you see someone take a line and
get stuck, do you usually take the same line, or do you look for a
safer way of getting around the obstacle? If you see someone roll
their ride, do you take the same line? The answer of course is NO.
So after an explanation of the perils when using a D ring or other
mechanical device to connect 2 straps, why would you consider using
that method, much less trying to defend your point of view. We've
been told of one friend losing his life, I don't know if it has
happened more than this one time, but do you want to be the second?
And if you do, what's it mean to me? Other than I can tell your
wife that "I told him so". So, do what you want, follow the rules
of your club, if you belong to a club. Don't put other people in
harms way. Don't put yourself in harms way if someone want to do
something stupid. Have a nice day and I hope to see you on the
trails.
Jim Smith
(Soapbox Designer)
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:43A9B471.79768D63@sympatico.ca...
> When you have the two loops from the two straps hooked, they are a
> solid
> mechanical connection with no chance of letting go short of
> snapping the
> strap.
>
> The stick just sits jammed between the two loops. It has no
> function
> other than to be used as a pry bar to get the sucker apart. The
> loops
> will get snugged together tight. You can do without it and use a
> metal
> pry bar like a tire iron later to try and pull them apart.
>
> If the stick fails, all it can do is crush and fold, that is why
> one
> person mentioned using a cut down axe handle. The handle is
> unlikely to
> crush.
>
> If however, the stick is used as a mechanical part of the
> connection,
> when it fails, it 'will' go ballistic, I have seen it happen. It
> doesn't try to impail the driver like a D-ring would, it goes out
> sideways after the spectators....
>
> Mike
>
> "KJ.Kate" wrote:
>>
>> It's good to see someone passsionate about safety.
>> Hubs is a safety nut too, yeas as an Operating Engineer has him
>> very
>> contientious about such things.
>>
>> Sorry if I yanked a knot in your tail.
>> BUT
>> If I hadn't, think of all the things I might have never learned
>> :)
>> Thanks for the clarification!
>>
>> Personally, I am prone to asking a ton of questions and learning
>> as much as
>> I can from those who have been there before I have. In the case
>> of straps
>> like these, I have no clue so am soaking up as much information
>> as I can.
>>
>> Now I have really learned soemthing but I am still not so sure
>> about putting
>> a stick in the middle. Be it a chunk of hickory or whatever in
>> the middle.
>> It still sounds dangerous.
>>
>> KJK
>>
>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:43A99192.518743CA@sympatico.ca...
>> : Sorry about getting all worked up there, I have just seen too
>> many dumb
>> : things when it come to proper gear use....
>> :
>> : He is using construction straps or slings then.
>> :
>> : These are a 'totally' different animal than the 'elastic band'
>> type of
>> : ****** strap that is normally seen off road.
>> :
>> : They are like a chain or tow strap with no give and a shackle
>> or D-ring
>> : is fine to use with them, proper even. :-)
>> :
>> : Our straps stretch like crazy when trying to pull someone out
>> of mud and
>> : never come up hard so the kinetic energy stored in them is
>> massive.
>> :
>> : Mike
>> :
>> : "KJ.Kate" wrote:
>> : >
>> : > Easy there big boy....
>> : > Don't get all shook up.
>> : >
>> : > I understand the theory and the logic, as does my husband.
>> : > I was just tossing in another opinion, that was offered from
>> over my
>> : > shoulder.
>> : >
>> : > Keep in mind, that the slings that he (my husband uses) are
>> in heavy
>> : > construction. Much larger than anything any of us would use,
>> and for
>> : > different purposes such as lifting as with a crane, not
>> pulling.
>> : >
>> : > KJK
>> : >
>> : > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> : > news:43A97566.9F6CAFE5@sympatico.ca...
>> : > : "KJ.Kate" wrote:
>> : > : >
>> : > : > "Carl" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> : > : > news:_4udnRaovYetHDreRVn-uQ@comcast.com...
>> : > : > : D-shackle, if they have loop ends.
>> : > : > :
>> : > : > : Carl
>> : > : >
>> : > : > That's what my husband says too.
>> : > : > He says it is the 'approved method' of joining two straps
>> together.
>> : > : >
>> : > : > KJK
>> : > :
>> : > : That is THE 'most' dangerous way to do it and would never
>> be allowed
>> on
>> : > : any organized run or any RAMJ+W (newsgroup) run we put on.
>> : > :
>> : > : If one strap breaks, the D-ring 'will' go ballistic and it
>> can go
>> : > : through the windshield, then through the driver, then
>> through the seat
>> : > : and out the back window. People get killed that way.
>> : > :
>> : > : See:
>> : > :
>> http://www.southernhighrollers.com/t..._miss_from.htm
>> : > :
>> : > : Why is it so difficult for folks to just use the loops
>> provided to put
>> : > : the two straps together????? It is simple and idiot proof
>> and not
>> : > : likely to fail with deadly results.
>> : > :
>> : > : See: http://xjeep.dyndns.org/slipstrap.jpg
>> : > :
>> : > : Mike
>> : > : 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in
>> '00
>> : > : 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> : > : Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still
>> view!
>> : > : Aug./05
>> http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
>> : > : (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
been established in a method, why do people continue to defend their
point? Using a D Ring or any other object to connect 2 straps can
be dangerous. Notice, I didn't say it "IS" dangerous. Many things
are dangerous while 4 wheeling. If you see someone take a line and
get stuck, do you usually take the same line, or do you look for a
safer way of getting around the obstacle? If you see someone roll
their ride, do you take the same line? The answer of course is NO.
So after an explanation of the perils when using a D ring or other
mechanical device to connect 2 straps, why would you consider using
that method, much less trying to defend your point of view. We've
been told of one friend losing his life, I don't know if it has
happened more than this one time, but do you want to be the second?
And if you do, what's it mean to me? Other than I can tell your
wife that "I told him so". So, do what you want, follow the rules
of your club, if you belong to a club. Don't put other people in
harms way. Don't put yourself in harms way if someone want to do
something stupid. Have a nice day and I hope to see you on the
trails.
Jim Smith
(Soapbox Designer)
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:43A9B471.79768D63@sympatico.ca...
> When you have the two loops from the two straps hooked, they are a
> solid
> mechanical connection with no chance of letting go short of
> snapping the
> strap.
>
> The stick just sits jammed between the two loops. It has no
> function
> other than to be used as a pry bar to get the sucker apart. The
> loops
> will get snugged together tight. You can do without it and use a
> metal
> pry bar like a tire iron later to try and pull them apart.
>
> If the stick fails, all it can do is crush and fold, that is why
> one
> person mentioned using a cut down axe handle. The handle is
> unlikely to
> crush.
>
> If however, the stick is used as a mechanical part of the
> connection,
> when it fails, it 'will' go ballistic, I have seen it happen. It
> doesn't try to impail the driver like a D-ring would, it goes out
> sideways after the spectators....
>
> Mike
>
> "KJ.Kate" wrote:
>>
>> It's good to see someone passsionate about safety.
>> Hubs is a safety nut too, yeas as an Operating Engineer has him
>> very
>> contientious about such things.
>>
>> Sorry if I yanked a knot in your tail.
>> BUT
>> If I hadn't, think of all the things I might have never learned
>> :)
>> Thanks for the clarification!
>>
>> Personally, I am prone to asking a ton of questions and learning
>> as much as
>> I can from those who have been there before I have. In the case
>> of straps
>> like these, I have no clue so am soaking up as much information
>> as I can.
>>
>> Now I have really learned soemthing but I am still not so sure
>> about putting
>> a stick in the middle. Be it a chunk of hickory or whatever in
>> the middle.
>> It still sounds dangerous.
>>
>> KJK
>>
>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:43A99192.518743CA@sympatico.ca...
>> : Sorry about getting all worked up there, I have just seen too
>> many dumb
>> : things when it come to proper gear use....
>> :
>> : He is using construction straps or slings then.
>> :
>> : These are a 'totally' different animal than the 'elastic band'
>> type of
>> : ****** strap that is normally seen off road.
>> :
>> : They are like a chain or tow strap with no give and a shackle
>> or D-ring
>> : is fine to use with them, proper even. :-)
>> :
>> : Our straps stretch like crazy when trying to pull someone out
>> of mud and
>> : never come up hard so the kinetic energy stored in them is
>> massive.
>> :
>> : Mike
>> :
>> : "KJ.Kate" wrote:
>> : >
>> : > Easy there big boy....
>> : > Don't get all shook up.
>> : >
>> : > I understand the theory and the logic, as does my husband.
>> : > I was just tossing in another opinion, that was offered from
>> over my
>> : > shoulder.
>> : >
>> : > Keep in mind, that the slings that he (my husband uses) are
>> in heavy
>> : > construction. Much larger than anything any of us would use,
>> and for
>> : > different purposes such as lifting as with a crane, not
>> pulling.
>> : >
>> : > KJK
>> : >
>> : > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> : > news:43A97566.9F6CAFE5@sympatico.ca...
>> : > : "KJ.Kate" wrote:
>> : > : >
>> : > : > "Carl" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> : > : > news:_4udnRaovYetHDreRVn-uQ@comcast.com...
>> : > : > : D-shackle, if they have loop ends.
>> : > : > :
>> : > : > : Carl
>> : > : >
>> : > : > That's what my husband says too.
>> : > : > He says it is the 'approved method' of joining two straps
>> together.
>> : > : >
>> : > : > KJK
>> : > :
>> : > : That is THE 'most' dangerous way to do it and would never
>> be allowed
>> on
>> : > : any organized run or any RAMJ+W (newsgroup) run we put on.
>> : > :
>> : > : If one strap breaks, the D-ring 'will' go ballistic and it
>> can go
>> : > : through the windshield, then through the driver, then
>> through the seat
>> : > : and out the back window. People get killed that way.
>> : > :
>> : > : See:
>> : > :
>> http://www.southernhighrollers.com/t..._miss_from.htm
>> : > :
>> : > : Why is it so difficult for folks to just use the loops
>> provided to put
>> : > : the two straps together????? It is simple and idiot proof
>> and not
>> : > : likely to fail with deadly results.
>> : > :
>> : > : See: http://xjeep.dyndns.org/slipstrap.jpg
>> : > :
>> : > : Mike
>> : > : 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in
>> '00
>> : > : 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> : > : Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still
>> view!
>> : > : Aug./05
>> http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
>> : > : (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
#115
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Putting two tow straps together???
What I find amazing as an observer to this thread, once a defect has
been established in a method, why do people continue to defend their
point? Using a D Ring or any other object to connect 2 straps can
be dangerous. Notice, I didn't say it "IS" dangerous. Many things
are dangerous while 4 wheeling. If you see someone take a line and
get stuck, do you usually take the same line, or do you look for a
safer way of getting around the obstacle? If you see someone roll
their ride, do you take the same line? The answer of course is NO.
So after an explanation of the perils when using a D ring or other
mechanical device to connect 2 straps, why would you consider using
that method, much less trying to defend your point of view. We've
been told of one friend losing his life, I don't know if it has
happened more than this one time, but do you want to be the second?
And if you do, what's it mean to me? Other than I can tell your
wife that "I told him so". So, do what you want, follow the rules
of your club, if you belong to a club. Don't put other people in
harms way. Don't put yourself in harms way if someone want to do
something stupid. Have a nice day and I hope to see you on the
trails.
Jim Smith
(Soapbox Designer)
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:43A9B471.79768D63@sympatico.ca...
> When you have the two loops from the two straps hooked, they are a
> solid
> mechanical connection with no chance of letting go short of
> snapping the
> strap.
>
> The stick just sits jammed between the two loops. It has no
> function
> other than to be used as a pry bar to get the sucker apart. The
> loops
> will get snugged together tight. You can do without it and use a
> metal
> pry bar like a tire iron later to try and pull them apart.
>
> If the stick fails, all it can do is crush and fold, that is why
> one
> person mentioned using a cut down axe handle. The handle is
> unlikely to
> crush.
>
> If however, the stick is used as a mechanical part of the
> connection,
> when it fails, it 'will' go ballistic, I have seen it happen. It
> doesn't try to impail the driver like a D-ring would, it goes out
> sideways after the spectators....
>
> Mike
>
> "KJ.Kate" wrote:
>>
>> It's good to see someone passsionate about safety.
>> Hubs is a safety nut too, yeas as an Operating Engineer has him
>> very
>> contientious about such things.
>>
>> Sorry if I yanked a knot in your tail.
>> BUT
>> If I hadn't, think of all the things I might have never learned
>> :)
>> Thanks for the clarification!
>>
>> Personally, I am prone to asking a ton of questions and learning
>> as much as
>> I can from those who have been there before I have. In the case
>> of straps
>> like these, I have no clue so am soaking up as much information
>> as I can.
>>
>> Now I have really learned soemthing but I am still not so sure
>> about putting
>> a stick in the middle. Be it a chunk of hickory or whatever in
>> the middle.
>> It still sounds dangerous.
>>
>> KJK
>>
>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:43A99192.518743CA@sympatico.ca...
>> : Sorry about getting all worked up there, I have just seen too
>> many dumb
>> : things when it come to proper gear use....
>> :
>> : He is using construction straps or slings then.
>> :
>> : These are a 'totally' different animal than the 'elastic band'
>> type of
>> : ****** strap that is normally seen off road.
>> :
>> : They are like a chain or tow strap with no give and a shackle
>> or D-ring
>> : is fine to use with them, proper even. :-)
>> :
>> : Our straps stretch like crazy when trying to pull someone out
>> of mud and
>> : never come up hard so the kinetic energy stored in them is
>> massive.
>> :
>> : Mike
>> :
>> : "KJ.Kate" wrote:
>> : >
>> : > Easy there big boy....
>> : > Don't get all shook up.
>> : >
>> : > I understand the theory and the logic, as does my husband.
>> : > I was just tossing in another opinion, that was offered from
>> over my
>> : > shoulder.
>> : >
>> : > Keep in mind, that the slings that he (my husband uses) are
>> in heavy
>> : > construction. Much larger than anything any of us would use,
>> and for
>> : > different purposes such as lifting as with a crane, not
>> pulling.
>> : >
>> : > KJK
>> : >
>> : > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> : > news:43A97566.9F6CAFE5@sympatico.ca...
>> : > : "KJ.Kate" wrote:
>> : > : >
>> : > : > "Carl" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> : > : > news:_4udnRaovYetHDreRVn-uQ@comcast.com...
>> : > : > : D-shackle, if they have loop ends.
>> : > : > :
>> : > : > : Carl
>> : > : >
>> : > : > That's what my husband says too.
>> : > : > He says it is the 'approved method' of joining two straps
>> together.
>> : > : >
>> : > : > KJK
>> : > :
>> : > : That is THE 'most' dangerous way to do it and would never
>> be allowed
>> on
>> : > : any organized run or any RAMJ+W (newsgroup) run we put on.
>> : > :
>> : > : If one strap breaks, the D-ring 'will' go ballistic and it
>> can go
>> : > : through the windshield, then through the driver, then
>> through the seat
>> : > : and out the back window. People get killed that way.
>> : > :
>> : > : See:
>> : > :
>> http://www.southernhighrollers.com/t..._miss_from.htm
>> : > :
>> : > : Why is it so difficult for folks to just use the loops
>> provided to put
>> : > : the two straps together????? It is simple and idiot proof
>> and not
>> : > : likely to fail with deadly results.
>> : > :
>> : > : See: http://xjeep.dyndns.org/slipstrap.jpg
>> : > :
>> : > : Mike
>> : > : 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in
>> '00
>> : > : 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> : > : Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still
>> view!
>> : > : Aug./05
>> http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
>> : > : (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
been established in a method, why do people continue to defend their
point? Using a D Ring or any other object to connect 2 straps can
be dangerous. Notice, I didn't say it "IS" dangerous. Many things
are dangerous while 4 wheeling. If you see someone take a line and
get stuck, do you usually take the same line, or do you look for a
safer way of getting around the obstacle? If you see someone roll
their ride, do you take the same line? The answer of course is NO.
So after an explanation of the perils when using a D ring or other
mechanical device to connect 2 straps, why would you consider using
that method, much less trying to defend your point of view. We've
been told of one friend losing his life, I don't know if it has
happened more than this one time, but do you want to be the second?
And if you do, what's it mean to me? Other than I can tell your
wife that "I told him so". So, do what you want, follow the rules
of your club, if you belong to a club. Don't put other people in
harms way. Don't put yourself in harms way if someone want to do
something stupid. Have a nice day and I hope to see you on the
trails.
Jim Smith
(Soapbox Designer)
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:43A9B471.79768D63@sympatico.ca...
> When you have the two loops from the two straps hooked, they are a
> solid
> mechanical connection with no chance of letting go short of
> snapping the
> strap.
>
> The stick just sits jammed between the two loops. It has no
> function
> other than to be used as a pry bar to get the sucker apart. The
> loops
> will get snugged together tight. You can do without it and use a
> metal
> pry bar like a tire iron later to try and pull them apart.
>
> If the stick fails, all it can do is crush and fold, that is why
> one
> person mentioned using a cut down axe handle. The handle is
> unlikely to
> crush.
>
> If however, the stick is used as a mechanical part of the
> connection,
> when it fails, it 'will' go ballistic, I have seen it happen. It
> doesn't try to impail the driver like a D-ring would, it goes out
> sideways after the spectators....
>
> Mike
>
> "KJ.Kate" wrote:
>>
>> It's good to see someone passsionate about safety.
>> Hubs is a safety nut too, yeas as an Operating Engineer has him
>> very
>> contientious about such things.
>>
>> Sorry if I yanked a knot in your tail.
>> BUT
>> If I hadn't, think of all the things I might have never learned
>> :)
>> Thanks for the clarification!
>>
>> Personally, I am prone to asking a ton of questions and learning
>> as much as
>> I can from those who have been there before I have. In the case
>> of straps
>> like these, I have no clue so am soaking up as much information
>> as I can.
>>
>> Now I have really learned soemthing but I am still not so sure
>> about putting
>> a stick in the middle. Be it a chunk of hickory or whatever in
>> the middle.
>> It still sounds dangerous.
>>
>> KJK
>>
>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:43A99192.518743CA@sympatico.ca...
>> : Sorry about getting all worked up there, I have just seen too
>> many dumb
>> : things when it come to proper gear use....
>> :
>> : He is using construction straps or slings then.
>> :
>> : These are a 'totally' different animal than the 'elastic band'
>> type of
>> : ****** strap that is normally seen off road.
>> :
>> : They are like a chain or tow strap with no give and a shackle
>> or D-ring
>> : is fine to use with them, proper even. :-)
>> :
>> : Our straps stretch like crazy when trying to pull someone out
>> of mud and
>> : never come up hard so the kinetic energy stored in them is
>> massive.
>> :
>> : Mike
>> :
>> : "KJ.Kate" wrote:
>> : >
>> : > Easy there big boy....
>> : > Don't get all shook up.
>> : >
>> : > I understand the theory and the logic, as does my husband.
>> : > I was just tossing in another opinion, that was offered from
>> over my
>> : > shoulder.
>> : >
>> : > Keep in mind, that the slings that he (my husband uses) are
>> in heavy
>> : > construction. Much larger than anything any of us would use,
>> and for
>> : > different purposes such as lifting as with a crane, not
>> pulling.
>> : >
>> : > KJK
>> : >
>> : > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> : > news:43A97566.9F6CAFE5@sympatico.ca...
>> : > : "KJ.Kate" wrote:
>> : > : >
>> : > : > "Carl" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> : > : > news:_4udnRaovYetHDreRVn-uQ@comcast.com...
>> : > : > : D-shackle, if they have loop ends.
>> : > : > :
>> : > : > : Carl
>> : > : >
>> : > : > That's what my husband says too.
>> : > : > He says it is the 'approved method' of joining two straps
>> together.
>> : > : >
>> : > : > KJK
>> : > :
>> : > : That is THE 'most' dangerous way to do it and would never
>> be allowed
>> on
>> : > : any organized run or any RAMJ+W (newsgroup) run we put on.
>> : > :
>> : > : If one strap breaks, the D-ring 'will' go ballistic and it
>> can go
>> : > : through the windshield, then through the driver, then
>> through the seat
>> : > : and out the back window. People get killed that way.
>> : > :
>> : > : See:
>> : > :
>> http://www.southernhighrollers.com/t..._miss_from.htm
>> : > :
>> : > : Why is it so difficult for folks to just use the loops
>> provided to put
>> : > : the two straps together????? It is simple and idiot proof
>> and not
>> : > : likely to fail with deadly results.
>> : > :
>> : > : See: http://xjeep.dyndns.org/slipstrap.jpg
>> : > :
>> : > : Mike
>> : > : 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in
>> '00
>> : > : 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> : > : Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still
>> view!
>> : > : Aug./05
>> http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
>> : > : (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
#116
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Putting two tow straps together???
You know Jeff, that link you are showing the unsafe use of a dowel as a
mechanical part of the link appears to be written or copywrited anyway
by a John Cranfield, the same gent who lost his eye from the unsafe use
of a high lift jack.
Seems he likes to live dangerously....
This is the safe way: http://xjeep.dyndns.org/slipstrap.jpg
Mike
4X4PLAY wrote:
>
> Hey Mike... if the strap breaks the dowel will still fly right?? or is it a
> 50/50 thing that it may fall out??
>
> is this the way you say to attach them??
>
> http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/6200/dowel19lo.jpg
>
> Thanks for the responses guys...I just wanna make sure that I can be the
> safest I can be on the trail...I'll explain why in my next post...
>
> Jeff
>
> <rootwofake@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1135114567.761779.139060@g49g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> >
> > 4X4PLAY wrote:
> >> Any safer means of attaching two straps together, than with a wooden
> >> doweling and still be able to get them apart??
> >>
> >
> > Although it's usually used for rope, a Zeppelin Bend or Rosendahl Bend
> > (same knot) will fit the bill:
> >
> > http://www.geocities.com/roo_two/Zeppelin.html
> >
mechanical part of the link appears to be written or copywrited anyway
by a John Cranfield, the same gent who lost his eye from the unsafe use
of a high lift jack.
Seems he likes to live dangerously....
This is the safe way: http://xjeep.dyndns.org/slipstrap.jpg
Mike
4X4PLAY wrote:
>
> Hey Mike... if the strap breaks the dowel will still fly right?? or is it a
> 50/50 thing that it may fall out??
>
> is this the way you say to attach them??
>
> http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/6200/dowel19lo.jpg
>
> Thanks for the responses guys...I just wanna make sure that I can be the
> safest I can be on the trail...I'll explain why in my next post...
>
> Jeff
>
> <rootwofake@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1135114567.761779.139060@g49g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> >
> > 4X4PLAY wrote:
> >> Any safer means of attaching two straps together, than with a wooden
> >> doweling and still be able to get them apart??
> >>
> >
> > Although it's usually used for rope, a Zeppelin Bend or Rosendahl Bend
> > (same knot) will fit the bill:
> >
> > http://www.geocities.com/roo_two/Zeppelin.html
> >
#117
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Putting two tow straps together???
You know Jeff, that link you are showing the unsafe use of a dowel as a
mechanical part of the link appears to be written or copywrited anyway
by a John Cranfield, the same gent who lost his eye from the unsafe use
of a high lift jack.
Seems he likes to live dangerously....
This is the safe way: http://xjeep.dyndns.org/slipstrap.jpg
Mike
4X4PLAY wrote:
>
> Hey Mike... if the strap breaks the dowel will still fly right?? or is it a
> 50/50 thing that it may fall out??
>
> is this the way you say to attach them??
>
> http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/6200/dowel19lo.jpg
>
> Thanks for the responses guys...I just wanna make sure that I can be the
> safest I can be on the trail...I'll explain why in my next post...
>
> Jeff
>
> <rootwofake@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1135114567.761779.139060@g49g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> >
> > 4X4PLAY wrote:
> >> Any safer means of attaching two straps together, than with a wooden
> >> doweling and still be able to get them apart??
> >>
> >
> > Although it's usually used for rope, a Zeppelin Bend or Rosendahl Bend
> > (same knot) will fit the bill:
> >
> > http://www.geocities.com/roo_two/Zeppelin.html
> >
mechanical part of the link appears to be written or copywrited anyway
by a John Cranfield, the same gent who lost his eye from the unsafe use
of a high lift jack.
Seems he likes to live dangerously....
This is the safe way: http://xjeep.dyndns.org/slipstrap.jpg
Mike
4X4PLAY wrote:
>
> Hey Mike... if the strap breaks the dowel will still fly right?? or is it a
> 50/50 thing that it may fall out??
>
> is this the way you say to attach them??
>
> http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/6200/dowel19lo.jpg
>
> Thanks for the responses guys...I just wanna make sure that I can be the
> safest I can be on the trail...I'll explain why in my next post...
>
> Jeff
>
> <rootwofake@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1135114567.761779.139060@g49g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> >
> > 4X4PLAY wrote:
> >> Any safer means of attaching two straps together, than with a wooden
> >> doweling and still be able to get them apart??
> >>
> >
> > Although it's usually used for rope, a Zeppelin Bend or Rosendahl Bend
> > (same knot) will fit the bill:
> >
> > http://www.geocities.com/roo_two/Zeppelin.html
> >
#118
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Putting two tow straps together???
You know Jeff, that link you are showing the unsafe use of a dowel as a
mechanical part of the link appears to be written or copywrited anyway
by a John Cranfield, the same gent who lost his eye from the unsafe use
of a high lift jack.
Seems he likes to live dangerously....
This is the safe way: http://xjeep.dyndns.org/slipstrap.jpg
Mike
4X4PLAY wrote:
>
> Hey Mike... if the strap breaks the dowel will still fly right?? or is it a
> 50/50 thing that it may fall out??
>
> is this the way you say to attach them??
>
> http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/6200/dowel19lo.jpg
>
> Thanks for the responses guys...I just wanna make sure that I can be the
> safest I can be on the trail...I'll explain why in my next post...
>
> Jeff
>
> <rootwofake@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1135114567.761779.139060@g49g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> >
> > 4X4PLAY wrote:
> >> Any safer means of attaching two straps together, than with a wooden
> >> doweling and still be able to get them apart??
> >>
> >
> > Although it's usually used for rope, a Zeppelin Bend or Rosendahl Bend
> > (same knot) will fit the bill:
> >
> > http://www.geocities.com/roo_two/Zeppelin.html
> >
mechanical part of the link appears to be written or copywrited anyway
by a John Cranfield, the same gent who lost his eye from the unsafe use
of a high lift jack.
Seems he likes to live dangerously....
This is the safe way: http://xjeep.dyndns.org/slipstrap.jpg
Mike
4X4PLAY wrote:
>
> Hey Mike... if the strap breaks the dowel will still fly right?? or is it a
> 50/50 thing that it may fall out??
>
> is this the way you say to attach them??
>
> http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/6200/dowel19lo.jpg
>
> Thanks for the responses guys...I just wanna make sure that I can be the
> safest I can be on the trail...I'll explain why in my next post...
>
> Jeff
>
> <rootwofake@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1135114567.761779.139060@g49g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> >
> > 4X4PLAY wrote:
> >> Any safer means of attaching two straps together, than with a wooden
> >> doweling and still be able to get them apart??
> >>
> >
> > Although it's usually used for rope, a Zeppelin Bend or Rosendahl Bend
> > (same knot) will fit the bill:
> >
> > http://www.geocities.com/roo_two/Zeppelin.html
> >
#119
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Putting two tow straps together???
The D ring was what you saw dropped to the ground, still attached
to two straps.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
"KJ.Kate" wrote:
>
> Easy there big boy....
> Don't get all shook up.
>
> I understand the theory and the logic, as does my husband.
> I was just tossing in another opinion, that was offered from over my
> shoulder.
>
> Keep in mind, that the slings that he (my husband uses) are in heavy
> construction. Much larger than anything any of us would use, and for
> different purposes such as lifting as with a crane, not pulling.
>
> KJK
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:43A97566.9F6CAFE5@sympatico.ca...
> : "KJ.Kate" wrote:
> : >
> : > "Carl" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
> : > news:_4udnRaovYetHDreRVn-uQ@comcast.com...
> : > : D-shackle, if they have loop ends.
> : > :
> : > : Carl
> : >
> : > That's what my husband says too.
> : > He says it is the 'approved method' of joining two straps together.
> : >
> : > KJK
> :
> : That is THE 'most' dangerous way to do it and would never be allowed on
> : any organized run or any RAMJ+W (newsgroup) run we put on.
> :
> : If one strap breaks, the D-ring 'will' go ballistic and it can go
> : through the windshield, then through the driver, then through the seat
> : and out the back window. People get killed that way.
> :
> : See:
> : http://www.southernhighrollers.com/t..._miss_from.htm
> :
> : Why is it so difficult for folks to just use the loops provided to put
> : the two straps together????? It is simple and idiot proof and not
> : likely to fail with deadly results.
> :
> : See: http://xjeep.dyndns.org/slipstrap.jpg
> :
> : Mike
> : 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> : 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> : Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> : Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
> : (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
to two straps.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
"KJ.Kate" wrote:
>
> Easy there big boy....
> Don't get all shook up.
>
> I understand the theory and the logic, as does my husband.
> I was just tossing in another opinion, that was offered from over my
> shoulder.
>
> Keep in mind, that the slings that he (my husband uses) are in heavy
> construction. Much larger than anything any of us would use, and for
> different purposes such as lifting as with a crane, not pulling.
>
> KJK
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:43A97566.9F6CAFE5@sympatico.ca...
> : "KJ.Kate" wrote:
> : >
> : > "Carl" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
> : > news:_4udnRaovYetHDreRVn-uQ@comcast.com...
> : > : D-shackle, if they have loop ends.
> : > :
> : > : Carl
> : >
> : > That's what my husband says too.
> : > He says it is the 'approved method' of joining two straps together.
> : >
> : > KJK
> :
> : That is THE 'most' dangerous way to do it and would never be allowed on
> : any organized run or any RAMJ+W (newsgroup) run we put on.
> :
> : If one strap breaks, the D-ring 'will' go ballistic and it can go
> : through the windshield, then through the driver, then through the seat
> : and out the back window. People get killed that way.
> :
> : See:
> : http://www.southernhighrollers.com/t..._miss_from.htm
> :
> : Why is it so difficult for folks to just use the loops provided to put
> : the two straps together????? It is simple and idiot proof and not
> : likely to fail with deadly results.
> :
> : See: http://xjeep.dyndns.org/slipstrap.jpg
> :
> : Mike
> : 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> : 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> : Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> : Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
> : (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
#120
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Putting two tow straps together???
The D ring was what you saw dropped to the ground, still attached
to two straps.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
"KJ.Kate" wrote:
>
> Easy there big boy....
> Don't get all shook up.
>
> I understand the theory and the logic, as does my husband.
> I was just tossing in another opinion, that was offered from over my
> shoulder.
>
> Keep in mind, that the slings that he (my husband uses) are in heavy
> construction. Much larger than anything any of us would use, and for
> different purposes such as lifting as with a crane, not pulling.
>
> KJK
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:43A97566.9F6CAFE5@sympatico.ca...
> : "KJ.Kate" wrote:
> : >
> : > "Carl" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
> : > news:_4udnRaovYetHDreRVn-uQ@comcast.com...
> : > : D-shackle, if they have loop ends.
> : > :
> : > : Carl
> : >
> : > That's what my husband says too.
> : > He says it is the 'approved method' of joining two straps together.
> : >
> : > KJK
> :
> : That is THE 'most' dangerous way to do it and would never be allowed on
> : any organized run or any RAMJ+W (newsgroup) run we put on.
> :
> : If one strap breaks, the D-ring 'will' go ballistic and it can go
> : through the windshield, then through the driver, then through the seat
> : and out the back window. People get killed that way.
> :
> : See:
> : http://www.southernhighrollers.com/t..._miss_from.htm
> :
> : Why is it so difficult for folks to just use the loops provided to put
> : the two straps together????? It is simple and idiot proof and not
> : likely to fail with deadly results.
> :
> : See: http://xjeep.dyndns.org/slipstrap.jpg
> :
> : Mike
> : 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> : 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> : Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> : Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
> : (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
to two straps.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
"KJ.Kate" wrote:
>
> Easy there big boy....
> Don't get all shook up.
>
> I understand the theory and the logic, as does my husband.
> I was just tossing in another opinion, that was offered from over my
> shoulder.
>
> Keep in mind, that the slings that he (my husband uses) are in heavy
> construction. Much larger than anything any of us would use, and for
> different purposes such as lifting as with a crane, not pulling.
>
> KJK
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:43A97566.9F6CAFE5@sympatico.ca...
> : "KJ.Kate" wrote:
> : >
> : > "Carl" <carlsaiyed@REMOVE.hotmail.com> wrote in message
> : > news:_4udnRaovYetHDreRVn-uQ@comcast.com...
> : > : D-shackle, if they have loop ends.
> : > :
> : > : Carl
> : >
> : > That's what my husband says too.
> : > He says it is the 'approved method' of joining two straps together.
> : >
> : > KJK
> :
> : That is THE 'most' dangerous way to do it and would never be allowed on
> : any organized run or any RAMJ+W (newsgroup) run we put on.
> :
> : If one strap breaks, the D-ring 'will' go ballistic and it can go
> : through the windshield, then through the driver, then through the seat
> : and out the back window. People get killed that way.
> :
> : See:
> : http://www.southernhighrollers.com/t..._miss_from.htm
> :
> : Why is it so difficult for folks to just use the loops provided to put
> : the two straps together????? It is simple and idiot proof and not
> : likely to fail with deadly results.
> :
> : See: http://xjeep.dyndns.org/slipstrap.jpg
> :
> : Mike
> : 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> : 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> : Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> : Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
> : (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)