Part time 4WD: off pavement only??
11-06-2005, 02:22 PM
#91
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Re: Part time 4WD: off pavement only??
On Sun, 6 Nov 2005 04:06:09 -0500, "Billy Ray"
<Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote:
> 215-75x15 235-75x15
>Sidewall 6.3 in 6.9 in
>Radius 13.8 in 14.4 in
>Diameter 27.7 in 28.9 in
>Circumference 87 in 90.7 in
>Revs/Mile 728.0 698.0
>
>28.9" - 27.7" = 1.2" taller / 2 = 0.6" additional ground clearance.
>
>http://www.miata.net/garage/tirecalc.html
>
>Are your tires rubbing on the inner or outer fenders?
>
I'm pretty sure it's the inner, but I haven't checked it out yet
I'm heading out in a bit and will look then.
>PS
>http://www.frappr.com/ramjw
Cool site!
Will have to add myself later.
....
<Billy_Ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote:
> 215-75x15 235-75x15
>Sidewall 6.3 in 6.9 in
>Radius 13.8 in 14.4 in
>Diameter 27.7 in 28.9 in
>Circumference 87 in 90.7 in
>Revs/Mile 728.0 698.0
>
>28.9" - 27.7" = 1.2" taller / 2 = 0.6" additional ground clearance.
>
>http://www.miata.net/garage/tirecalc.html
>
>Are your tires rubbing on the inner or outer fenders?
>
I'm pretty sure it's the inner, but I haven't checked it out yet
I'm heading out in a bit and will look then.
>PS
>http://www.frappr.com/ramjw
Cool site!
Will have to add myself later.
....
11-06-2005, 02:25 PM
#92
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Re: Part time 4WD: off pavement only??
On Sun, 06 Nov 2005 09:41:51 -0500, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
wrote:
>noneyabusiness wrote:
>>
>> On Sat, 05 Nov 2005 13:55:48 -0500, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >That's right, watch for speed traps, the cops don't care if you only
>> >'think' you are doing 68 mph as they clock you zipping along at 75....
>> >
>> >What size are the tires? When we went to P235x75's on our 88 Cherokee,
>> >the GPS says the speedometer gear is exact for them. I was a bit
>> >surprised because they are one size larger than any the factory chart
>> >says they put on them.
>> >
>>
>> What a coincidence!
>> The Cherokee came with 235/75 15 tires. (Wrangler RT/S, btw)
>> These rub at full steering lock so I have to be careful when making a
>> tight turn.
>>
>> The plate on the door jam says the stock size is 215/75 15.
>> ...any idea where I can find out how much taller my tires are?
>>
>> TIA
>
>Our plate inside the glove box goes up to 225's. Our 235's do rub when
>cutting the wheel one way only. It isn't bad enough that I bothered
>with the adjustment bolt.
>
>You do have steering stop adjustment bolts. They are behind the
>knuckles and can be adjusted so the tire doesn't tag at full turn.
>These bolts have a nut usually welded on them as a stop. They just
>unbolt, nut and all and you put one or maybe two washers under the nut,
>then put it back in. It is an easy fix.
>
Thanks! I'll look into that.
>We also have checked our gas mileage in town. My wife works close
>enough that heat just barely starts out the defrost by the time se gets
>there, so the most travel is in 'choke' or cold running mode. We get
>just over 14 mpg doing that.
>
>And just a note for you. We noticed a large loss in winter traction
>when we went up to the larger tire. They were both AT's. It is a bit
>too wide for the best snow footprint on our 88 Cherokee, the narrower
>225's grabbed better.
>
I'm in Sunny Southern California, so snow isn't an issue.
(Until I make my first trip up into the mountains that is <g>.)
....
>Mike
>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
>(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
wrote:
>noneyabusiness wrote:
>>
>> On Sat, 05 Nov 2005 13:55:48 -0500, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >That's right, watch for speed traps, the cops don't care if you only
>> >'think' you are doing 68 mph as they clock you zipping along at 75....
>> >
>> >What size are the tires? When we went to P235x75's on our 88 Cherokee,
>> >the GPS says the speedometer gear is exact for them. I was a bit
>> >surprised because they are one size larger than any the factory chart
>> >says they put on them.
>> >
>>
>> What a coincidence!
>> The Cherokee came with 235/75 15 tires. (Wrangler RT/S, btw)
>> These rub at full steering lock so I have to be careful when making a
>> tight turn.
>>
>> The plate on the door jam says the stock size is 215/75 15.
>> ...any idea where I can find out how much taller my tires are?
>>
>> TIA
>
>Our plate inside the glove box goes up to 225's. Our 235's do rub when
>cutting the wheel one way only. It isn't bad enough that I bothered
>with the adjustment bolt.
>
>You do have steering stop adjustment bolts. They are behind the
>knuckles and can be adjusted so the tire doesn't tag at full turn.
>These bolts have a nut usually welded on them as a stop. They just
>unbolt, nut and all and you put one or maybe two washers under the nut,
>then put it back in. It is an easy fix.
>
Thanks! I'll look into that.
>We also have checked our gas mileage in town. My wife works close
>enough that heat just barely starts out the defrost by the time se gets
>there, so the most travel is in 'choke' or cold running mode. We get
>just over 14 mpg doing that.
>
>And just a note for you. We noticed a large loss in winter traction
>when we went up to the larger tire. They were both AT's. It is a bit
>too wide for the best snow footprint on our 88 Cherokee, the narrower
>225's grabbed better.
>
I'm in Sunny Southern California, so snow isn't an issue.
(Until I make my first trip up into the mountains that is <g>.)
....
>Mike
>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
>(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
11-06-2005, 02:25 PM
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Re: Part time 4WD: off pavement only??
On Sun, 06 Nov 2005 09:41:51 -0500, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
wrote:
>noneyabusiness wrote:
>>
>> On Sat, 05 Nov 2005 13:55:48 -0500, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >That's right, watch for speed traps, the cops don't care if you only
>> >'think' you are doing 68 mph as they clock you zipping along at 75....
>> >
>> >What size are the tires? When we went to P235x75's on our 88 Cherokee,
>> >the GPS says the speedometer gear is exact for them. I was a bit
>> >surprised because they are one size larger than any the factory chart
>> >says they put on them.
>> >
>>
>> What a coincidence!
>> The Cherokee came with 235/75 15 tires. (Wrangler RT/S, btw)
>> These rub at full steering lock so I have to be careful when making a
>> tight turn.
>>
>> The plate on the door jam says the stock size is 215/75 15.
>> ...any idea where I can find out how much taller my tires are?
>>
>> TIA
>
>Our plate inside the glove box goes up to 225's. Our 235's do rub when
>cutting the wheel one way only. It isn't bad enough that I bothered
>with the adjustment bolt.
>
>You do have steering stop adjustment bolts. They are behind the
>knuckles and can be adjusted so the tire doesn't tag at full turn.
>These bolts have a nut usually welded on them as a stop. They just
>unbolt, nut and all and you put one or maybe two washers under the nut,
>then put it back in. It is an easy fix.
>
Thanks! I'll look into that.
>We also have checked our gas mileage in town. My wife works close
>enough that heat just barely starts out the defrost by the time se gets
>there, so the most travel is in 'choke' or cold running mode. We get
>just over 14 mpg doing that.
>
>And just a note for you. We noticed a large loss in winter traction
>when we went up to the larger tire. They were both AT's. It is a bit
>too wide for the best snow footprint on our 88 Cherokee, the narrower
>225's grabbed better.
>
I'm in Sunny Southern California, so snow isn't an issue.
(Until I make my first trip up into the mountains that is <g>.)
....
>Mike
>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
>(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
wrote:
>noneyabusiness wrote:
>>
>> On Sat, 05 Nov 2005 13:55:48 -0500, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >That's right, watch for speed traps, the cops don't care if you only
>> >'think' you are doing 68 mph as they clock you zipping along at 75....
>> >
>> >What size are the tires? When we went to P235x75's on our 88 Cherokee,
>> >the GPS says the speedometer gear is exact for them. I was a bit
>> >surprised because they are one size larger than any the factory chart
>> >says they put on them.
>> >
>>
>> What a coincidence!
>> The Cherokee came with 235/75 15 tires. (Wrangler RT/S, btw)
>> These rub at full steering lock so I have to be careful when making a
>> tight turn.
>>
>> The plate on the door jam says the stock size is 215/75 15.
>> ...any idea where I can find out how much taller my tires are?
>>
>> TIA
>
>Our plate inside the glove box goes up to 225's. Our 235's do rub when
>cutting the wheel one way only. It isn't bad enough that I bothered
>with the adjustment bolt.
>
>You do have steering stop adjustment bolts. They are behind the
>knuckles and can be adjusted so the tire doesn't tag at full turn.
>These bolts have a nut usually welded on them as a stop. They just
>unbolt, nut and all and you put one or maybe two washers under the nut,
>then put it back in. It is an easy fix.
>
Thanks! I'll look into that.
>We also have checked our gas mileage in town. My wife works close
>enough that heat just barely starts out the defrost by the time se gets
>there, so the most travel is in 'choke' or cold running mode. We get
>just over 14 mpg doing that.
>
>And just a note for you. We noticed a large loss in winter traction
>when we went up to the larger tire. They were both AT's. It is a bit
>too wide for the best snow footprint on our 88 Cherokee, the narrower
>225's grabbed better.
>
I'm in Sunny Southern California, so snow isn't an issue.
(Until I make my first trip up into the mountains that is <g>.)
....
>Mike
>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
>(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
11-06-2005, 02:25 PM
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Re: Part time 4WD: off pavement only??
On Sun, 06 Nov 2005 09:41:51 -0500, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
wrote:
>noneyabusiness wrote:
>>
>> On Sat, 05 Nov 2005 13:55:48 -0500, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >That's right, watch for speed traps, the cops don't care if you only
>> >'think' you are doing 68 mph as they clock you zipping along at 75....
>> >
>> >What size are the tires? When we went to P235x75's on our 88 Cherokee,
>> >the GPS says the speedometer gear is exact for them. I was a bit
>> >surprised because they are one size larger than any the factory chart
>> >says they put on them.
>> >
>>
>> What a coincidence!
>> The Cherokee came with 235/75 15 tires. (Wrangler RT/S, btw)
>> These rub at full steering lock so I have to be careful when making a
>> tight turn.
>>
>> The plate on the door jam says the stock size is 215/75 15.
>> ...any idea where I can find out how much taller my tires are?
>>
>> TIA
>
>Our plate inside the glove box goes up to 225's. Our 235's do rub when
>cutting the wheel one way only. It isn't bad enough that I bothered
>with the adjustment bolt.
>
>You do have steering stop adjustment bolts. They are behind the
>knuckles and can be adjusted so the tire doesn't tag at full turn.
>These bolts have a nut usually welded on them as a stop. They just
>unbolt, nut and all and you put one or maybe two washers under the nut,
>then put it back in. It is an easy fix.
>
Thanks! I'll look into that.
>We also have checked our gas mileage in town. My wife works close
>enough that heat just barely starts out the defrost by the time se gets
>there, so the most travel is in 'choke' or cold running mode. We get
>just over 14 mpg doing that.
>
>And just a note for you. We noticed a large loss in winter traction
>when we went up to the larger tire. They were both AT's. It is a bit
>too wide for the best snow footprint on our 88 Cherokee, the narrower
>225's grabbed better.
>
I'm in Sunny Southern California, so snow isn't an issue.
(Until I make my first trip up into the mountains that is <g>.)
....
>Mike
>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
>(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
wrote:
>noneyabusiness wrote:
>>
>> On Sat, 05 Nov 2005 13:55:48 -0500, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >That's right, watch for speed traps, the cops don't care if you only
>> >'think' you are doing 68 mph as they clock you zipping along at 75....
>> >
>> >What size are the tires? When we went to P235x75's on our 88 Cherokee,
>> >the GPS says the speedometer gear is exact for them. I was a bit
>> >surprised because they are one size larger than any the factory chart
>> >says they put on them.
>> >
>>
>> What a coincidence!
>> The Cherokee came with 235/75 15 tires. (Wrangler RT/S, btw)
>> These rub at full steering lock so I have to be careful when making a
>> tight turn.
>>
>> The plate on the door jam says the stock size is 215/75 15.
>> ...any idea where I can find out how much taller my tires are?
>>
>> TIA
>
>Our plate inside the glove box goes up to 225's. Our 235's do rub when
>cutting the wheel one way only. It isn't bad enough that I bothered
>with the adjustment bolt.
>
>You do have steering stop adjustment bolts. They are behind the
>knuckles and can be adjusted so the tire doesn't tag at full turn.
>These bolts have a nut usually welded on them as a stop. They just
>unbolt, nut and all and you put one or maybe two washers under the nut,
>then put it back in. It is an easy fix.
>
Thanks! I'll look into that.
>We also have checked our gas mileage in town. My wife works close
>enough that heat just barely starts out the defrost by the time se gets
>there, so the most travel is in 'choke' or cold running mode. We get
>just over 14 mpg doing that.
>
>And just a note for you. We noticed a large loss in winter traction
>when we went up to the larger tire. They were both AT's. It is a bit
>too wide for the best snow footprint on our 88 Cherokee, the narrower
>225's grabbed better.
>
I'm in Sunny Southern California, so snow isn't an issue.
(Until I make my first trip up into the mountains that is <g>.)
....
>Mike
>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>Aug./05 http://www.imagestation.com/album/in...?id=2120343242
>(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
11-06-2005, 03:27 PM
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Re: Part time 4WD: off pavement only??
Be sure and try Nate's Grade in the snow:
http://home.earthlink.net/~humungus/nhg.htm
http://www.sandiegohistory.org/bio/h...n/harrison.htm
http://www.sandiegohistory.org/journ...ary/hermit.htm
http://www.valleycenter.com/grade1.htm
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/snowchains.jpg
noneyabusiness wrote:
>
> I'm in Sunny Southern California, so snow isn't an issue.
> (Until I make my first trip up into the mountains that is <g>.)
http://home.earthlink.net/~humungus/nhg.htm
http://www.sandiegohistory.org/bio/h...n/harrison.htm
http://www.sandiegohistory.org/journ...ary/hermit.htm
http://www.valleycenter.com/grade1.htm
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/snowchains.jpg
noneyabusiness wrote:
>
> I'm in Sunny Southern California, so snow isn't an issue.
> (Until I make my first trip up into the mountains that is <g>.)
11-06-2005, 03:27 PM
#96
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Re: Part time 4WD: off pavement only??
Be sure and try Nate's Grade in the snow:
http://home.earthlink.net/~humungus/nhg.htm
http://www.sandiegohistory.org/bio/h...n/harrison.htm
http://www.sandiegohistory.org/journ...ary/hermit.htm
http://www.valleycenter.com/grade1.htm
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/snowchains.jpg
noneyabusiness wrote:
>
> I'm in Sunny Southern California, so snow isn't an issue.
> (Until I make my first trip up into the mountains that is <g>.)
http://home.earthlink.net/~humungus/nhg.htm
http://www.sandiegohistory.org/bio/h...n/harrison.htm
http://www.sandiegohistory.org/journ...ary/hermit.htm
http://www.valleycenter.com/grade1.htm
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/snowchains.jpg
noneyabusiness wrote:
>
> I'm in Sunny Southern California, so snow isn't an issue.
> (Until I make my first trip up into the mountains that is <g>.)
11-06-2005, 03:27 PM
#97
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Re: Part time 4WD: off pavement only??
Be sure and try Nate's Grade in the snow:
http://home.earthlink.net/~humungus/nhg.htm
http://www.sandiegohistory.org/bio/h...n/harrison.htm
http://www.sandiegohistory.org/journ...ary/hermit.htm
http://www.valleycenter.com/grade1.htm
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/snowchains.jpg
noneyabusiness wrote:
>
> I'm in Sunny Southern California, so snow isn't an issue.
> (Until I make my first trip up into the mountains that is <g>.)
http://home.earthlink.net/~humungus/nhg.htm
http://www.sandiegohistory.org/bio/h...n/harrison.htm
http://www.sandiegohistory.org/journ...ary/hermit.htm
http://www.valleycenter.com/grade1.htm
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/snowchains.jpg
noneyabusiness wrote:
>
> I'm in Sunny Southern California, so snow isn't an issue.
> (Until I make my first trip up into the mountains that is <g>.)
11-09-2005, 01:19 PM
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Re: Part time 4WD: off pavement only??
At the risk of pissing you off, the Gelandewagen came standard with 3 gear
locking differentials. Yes, I know it was more expensive than a Jeep.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:436D49F6.ADA71F19@***.net...
> Except, no manufacturer has designed one without seriously
> effecting the strength of their transfer. Of course none of the Real all
> gear transfers would have one, they're designed for men.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Bret Ludwig wrote:
> >
> > A truly well designed 4WD vehicle would have a center diff or viscous
> > coupling which could be llocked when necessary.
locking differentials. Yes, I know it was more expensive than a Jeep.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:436D49F6.ADA71F19@***.net...
> Except, no manufacturer has designed one without seriously
> effecting the strength of their transfer. Of course none of the Real all
> gear transfers would have one, they're designed for men.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Bret Ludwig wrote:
> >
> > A truly well designed 4WD vehicle would have a center diff or viscous
> > coupling which could be llocked when necessary.
11-09-2005, 01:19 PM
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Re: Part time 4WD: off pavement only??
At the risk of pissing you off, the Gelandewagen came standard with 3 gear
locking differentials. Yes, I know it was more expensive than a Jeep.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:436D49F6.ADA71F19@***.net...
> Except, no manufacturer has designed one without seriously
> effecting the strength of their transfer. Of course none of the Real all
> gear transfers would have one, they're designed for men.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Bret Ludwig wrote:
> >
> > A truly well designed 4WD vehicle would have a center diff or viscous
> > coupling which could be llocked when necessary.
locking differentials. Yes, I know it was more expensive than a Jeep.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:436D49F6.ADA71F19@***.net...
> Except, no manufacturer has designed one without seriously
> effecting the strength of their transfer. Of course none of the Real all
> gear transfers would have one, they're designed for men.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Bret Ludwig wrote:
> >
> > A truly well designed 4WD vehicle would have a center diff or viscous
> > coupling which could be llocked when necessary.
11-09-2005, 01:19 PM
#100
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Re: Part time 4WD: off pavement only??
At the risk of pissing you off, the Gelandewagen came standard with 3 gear
locking differentials. Yes, I know it was more expensive than a Jeep.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:436D49F6.ADA71F19@***.net...
> Except, no manufacturer has designed one without seriously
> effecting the strength of their transfer. Of course none of the Real all
> gear transfers would have one, they're designed for men.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Bret Ludwig wrote:
> >
> > A truly well designed 4WD vehicle would have a center diff or viscous
> > coupling which could be llocked when necessary.
locking differentials. Yes, I know it was more expensive than a Jeep.
Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:436D49F6.ADA71F19@***.net...
> Except, no manufacturer has designed one without seriously
> effecting the strength of their transfer. Of course none of the Real all
> gear transfers would have one, they're designed for men.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Bret Ludwig wrote:
> >
> > A truly well designed 4WD vehicle would have a center diff or viscous
> > coupling which could be llocked when necessary.
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