Paging Nathan Collier about Montanna
09-22-2003, 02:00 AM
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Re: Paging Nathan Collier about Montanna
On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 04:25:29 GMT, "Nathan W. Collier"
<JeepTalk@7SlotGrille.com> wrote:
>"Scooby Don't" <Scooby_do_not@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:6prsmv08iqoqhh3fst37v71ogome58vt4b@4ax.com.. .
>> Next time You'll have to get something with ***** like a Ryder Truck
>> or anything with a Turbo Diesel. Without the Turbo those trucks run
>> out of wind fast.
>
>next time ill probably let movers handle it, and ill just drive my jeep up.
It's big $$$$$ to move that way. My sister spent around $6K moving to
Florida. That's lot of money. But her company did pay for some of it.
>> Fun to watch peopel try and make it tho, and you could drive around
>> and actually watch from the top as well.
>
>thats one of the things i really enjoy about my atv. if i lose it (and i
>do!) i just roll it back over, fire it up, and try again (assuming im still
>conscious). :-)
If you were halfway up this particular hill as long as you were able
to get out of the way of the Quad you'd probably be ok. I had a 3
wheeler and I was on a fairly steep hill. That's why 2 strokes **** me
off so much. I ran out of juice near the top and had to shift to 3rd
which bogged it even wide open and when it caught it did a wheelie. I
went over backwards. The machine rolled ontop of me as I slid down it
rolled onto me again and again all the way down to the bottom.
Did I mention I was stupid enough not to have worn a helmet?!
I was in pain for a long time. If something like that happened on the
powerline hill you'd be dead due to all the rocks. But you also might
be lucky and have it bounce over you. The Quad would be toast but.
That's the way off roading is sometimes.
I tried checking out some land in Montana but so far nothing online
that is interesting that is affordable. Found a really nice farm for
sale. It had every kind of terrain you could think of including it's
own sandpit! it was around 650 acres.
I'll have to actually go there and look up a realtor rather than do it
online.
Have you ever rolled your Jeep?
Also just curious but is the Auto better than the Stick? I prefer a
manual tranny but offroad if your foots slips off the clutch it can be
a real problem.
<JeepTalk@7SlotGrille.com> wrote:
>"Scooby Don't" <Scooby_do_not@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:6prsmv08iqoqhh3fst37v71ogome58vt4b@4ax.com.. .
>> Next time You'll have to get something with ***** like a Ryder Truck
>> or anything with a Turbo Diesel. Without the Turbo those trucks run
>> out of wind fast.
>
>next time ill probably let movers handle it, and ill just drive my jeep up.
It's big $$$$$ to move that way. My sister spent around $6K moving to
Florida. That's lot of money. But her company did pay for some of it.
>> Fun to watch peopel try and make it tho, and you could drive around
>> and actually watch from the top as well.
>
>thats one of the things i really enjoy about my atv. if i lose it (and i
>do!) i just roll it back over, fire it up, and try again (assuming im still
>conscious). :-)
If you were halfway up this particular hill as long as you were able
to get out of the way of the Quad you'd probably be ok. I had a 3
wheeler and I was on a fairly steep hill. That's why 2 strokes **** me
off so much. I ran out of juice near the top and had to shift to 3rd
which bogged it even wide open and when it caught it did a wheelie. I
went over backwards. The machine rolled ontop of me as I slid down it
rolled onto me again and again all the way down to the bottom.
Did I mention I was stupid enough not to have worn a helmet?!
I was in pain for a long time. If something like that happened on the
powerline hill you'd be dead due to all the rocks. But you also might
be lucky and have it bounce over you. The Quad would be toast but.
That's the way off roading is sometimes.
I tried checking out some land in Montana but so far nothing online
that is interesting that is affordable. Found a really nice farm for
sale. It had every kind of terrain you could think of including it's
own sandpit! it was around 650 acres.
I'll have to actually go there and look up a realtor rather than do it
online.
Have you ever rolled your Jeep?
Also just curious but is the Auto better than the Stick? I prefer a
manual tranny but offroad if your foots slips off the clutch it can be
a real problem.
09-22-2003, 02:50 AM
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Re: Paging Nathan Collier about Montanna
"Scooby Don't" <Scooby_do_not@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> It's big $$$$$ to move that way.
true......but the personal expense of the last move hurt a whole lot more.
> The machine rolled ontop of me as I slid down it
> rolled onto me again and again all the way down to the bottom.
> Did I mention I was stupid enough not to have worn a helmet?!
the worst i ever got hurt on the atv, i was going less than 1mph. coming
down a STEEP hill i was in 1st gear low range and it was to low for the
incline. *** end came up over the front and landed on me.
> I was in pain for a long time. If something like that happened on the
> powerline hill you'd be dead due to all the rocks. But you also might
> be lucky and have it bounce over you. The Quad would be toast but.
> That's the way off roading is sometimes.
ive rolled mine on #9 slickrock at tellico, i lost it on the #11 staircase
once (one more tumble and i would have lost the quad over the big drop), the
brown mountain staircase, and i even threw myself off it last weekend trying
to spin a donut without taking it out of 4x4 first. :-) aside from the
donut trick, its all part of riding an atv. if you dont roll it once in
awhile, you arent pushing its limits and if you arent pushing its limits you
arent having any fun anyway. i dont recommend it for everyone, but with
enough experience you learn _how_ to fall off an atv. lol.
> I tried checking out some land in Montana but so far nothing online
> that is interesting that is affordable.
try www.beagleproperties.com
> I'll have to actually go there and look up a realtor rather than do it
> online.
definately the best way.
> Have you ever rolled your Jeep?
not yet anyway, and i dont want to change that if i can help it. unlike the
atv, the jeep isnt something i can just dust off and hop back on.
> Also just curious but is the Auto better than the Stick?
i keep hearing people say its a matter of personal preference, but these are
usually people that own manuals or theyre trying not to offend manual
owners. my '00 sahara was a 5 speed and my '03 rubicon is the 4 speed auto
(both can be seen here
http://7slotgrille.com/jeepers/tj/nathan/index.html ). prior to testing one
for myself, an auto just seemed out of place in a jeep. all it took was one
test to change my mind. having owned both it is my sincere belief that the
automatic is superior in every conceiveable way off road with the exception
of engine braking (and thats only a handicap if you dont know how to use the
big pedal beside the accelerator). (it is my belief that) the auto is
superior in mud and sand because it applies constant torque even during
shifts. if you ever watch street class mud bogs youll eventually notice
that the manuals have trouble when momentum is lost during a shift. with an
auto this isnt an issue. in really deep beach sand its the same thing. on
certain parts of ft. fisher youd better start out in whatever gear you
intend to stay in because if you attempt to shift your jeep will come to an
abrupt halt before you can complete the shift. this isnt an issue either
with an auto. the biggest advantage to an auto is in the rocks. because
there is slippage in the torque converter you wont knock off a dozen times
trying to creep up a really big/tricky boulder. ive never seen a pro class
rock crawler use an manual. while im sure there is an exception, i havent
seen one.
now im not suggesting that because you have an auto and another guy has a
manual that youll be "better".....but im saying that if you take the same
driver and give him 2 jeeps, one with a manual and one with an auto, he'll
most likely do "better" with the auto.
certainly there are exceptions to everything ive said but having owned and
wheeled both, ill never go back to a manual so long as a dependable auto is
available.
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com
news:qe3tmv00imhhhmmtif19r0fuc9oinh7rci@4ax.com...
> It's big $$$$$ to move that way.
true......but the personal expense of the last move hurt a whole lot more.
> The machine rolled ontop of me as I slid down it
> rolled onto me again and again all the way down to the bottom.
> Did I mention I was stupid enough not to have worn a helmet?!
the worst i ever got hurt on the atv, i was going less than 1mph. coming
down a STEEP hill i was in 1st gear low range and it was to low for the
incline. *** end came up over the front and landed on me.
> I was in pain for a long time. If something like that happened on the
> powerline hill you'd be dead due to all the rocks. But you also might
> be lucky and have it bounce over you. The Quad would be toast but.
> That's the way off roading is sometimes.
ive rolled mine on #9 slickrock at tellico, i lost it on the #11 staircase
once (one more tumble and i would have lost the quad over the big drop), the
brown mountain staircase, and i even threw myself off it last weekend trying
to spin a donut without taking it out of 4x4 first. :-) aside from the
donut trick, its all part of riding an atv. if you dont roll it once in
awhile, you arent pushing its limits and if you arent pushing its limits you
arent having any fun anyway. i dont recommend it for everyone, but with
enough experience you learn _how_ to fall off an atv. lol.
> I tried checking out some land in Montana but so far nothing online
> that is interesting that is affordable.
try www.beagleproperties.com
> I'll have to actually go there and look up a realtor rather than do it
> online.
definately the best way.
> Have you ever rolled your Jeep?
not yet anyway, and i dont want to change that if i can help it. unlike the
atv, the jeep isnt something i can just dust off and hop back on.
> Also just curious but is the Auto better than the Stick?
i keep hearing people say its a matter of personal preference, but these are
usually people that own manuals or theyre trying not to offend manual
owners. my '00 sahara was a 5 speed and my '03 rubicon is the 4 speed auto
(both can be seen here
http://7slotgrille.com/jeepers/tj/nathan/index.html ). prior to testing one
for myself, an auto just seemed out of place in a jeep. all it took was one
test to change my mind. having owned both it is my sincere belief that the
automatic is superior in every conceiveable way off road with the exception
of engine braking (and thats only a handicap if you dont know how to use the
big pedal beside the accelerator). (it is my belief that) the auto is
superior in mud and sand because it applies constant torque even during
shifts. if you ever watch street class mud bogs youll eventually notice
that the manuals have trouble when momentum is lost during a shift. with an
auto this isnt an issue. in really deep beach sand its the same thing. on
certain parts of ft. fisher youd better start out in whatever gear you
intend to stay in because if you attempt to shift your jeep will come to an
abrupt halt before you can complete the shift. this isnt an issue either
with an auto. the biggest advantage to an auto is in the rocks. because
there is slippage in the torque converter you wont knock off a dozen times
trying to creep up a really big/tricky boulder. ive never seen a pro class
rock crawler use an manual. while im sure there is an exception, i havent
seen one.
now im not suggesting that because you have an auto and another guy has a
manual that youll be "better".....but im saying that if you take the same
driver and give him 2 jeeps, one with a manual and one with an auto, he'll
most likely do "better" with the auto.
certainly there are exceptions to everything ive said but having owned and
wheeled both, ill never go back to a manual so long as a dependable auto is
available.
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com
09-22-2003, 02:50 AM
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Re: Paging Nathan Collier about Montanna
"Scooby Don't" <Scooby_do_not@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> It's big $$$$$ to move that way.
true......but the personal expense of the last move hurt a whole lot more.
> The machine rolled ontop of me as I slid down it
> rolled onto me again and again all the way down to the bottom.
> Did I mention I was stupid enough not to have worn a helmet?!
the worst i ever got hurt on the atv, i was going less than 1mph. coming
down a STEEP hill i was in 1st gear low range and it was to low for the
incline. *** end came up over the front and landed on me.
> I was in pain for a long time. If something like that happened on the
> powerline hill you'd be dead due to all the rocks. But you also might
> be lucky and have it bounce over you. The Quad would be toast but.
> That's the way off roading is sometimes.
ive rolled mine on #9 slickrock at tellico, i lost it on the #11 staircase
once (one more tumble and i would have lost the quad over the big drop), the
brown mountain staircase, and i even threw myself off it last weekend trying
to spin a donut without taking it out of 4x4 first. :-) aside from the
donut trick, its all part of riding an atv. if you dont roll it once in
awhile, you arent pushing its limits and if you arent pushing its limits you
arent having any fun anyway. i dont recommend it for everyone, but with
enough experience you learn _how_ to fall off an atv. lol.
> I tried checking out some land in Montana but so far nothing online
> that is interesting that is affordable.
try www.beagleproperties.com
> I'll have to actually go there and look up a realtor rather than do it
> online.
definately the best way.
> Have you ever rolled your Jeep?
not yet anyway, and i dont want to change that if i can help it. unlike the
atv, the jeep isnt something i can just dust off and hop back on.
> Also just curious but is the Auto better than the Stick?
i keep hearing people say its a matter of personal preference, but these are
usually people that own manuals or theyre trying not to offend manual
owners. my '00 sahara was a 5 speed and my '03 rubicon is the 4 speed auto
(both can be seen here
http://7slotgrille.com/jeepers/tj/nathan/index.html ). prior to testing one
for myself, an auto just seemed out of place in a jeep. all it took was one
test to change my mind. having owned both it is my sincere belief that the
automatic is superior in every conceiveable way off road with the exception
of engine braking (and thats only a handicap if you dont know how to use the
big pedal beside the accelerator). (it is my belief that) the auto is
superior in mud and sand because it applies constant torque even during
shifts. if you ever watch street class mud bogs youll eventually notice
that the manuals have trouble when momentum is lost during a shift. with an
auto this isnt an issue. in really deep beach sand its the same thing. on
certain parts of ft. fisher youd better start out in whatever gear you
intend to stay in because if you attempt to shift your jeep will come to an
abrupt halt before you can complete the shift. this isnt an issue either
with an auto. the biggest advantage to an auto is in the rocks. because
there is slippage in the torque converter you wont knock off a dozen times
trying to creep up a really big/tricky boulder. ive never seen a pro class
rock crawler use an manual. while im sure there is an exception, i havent
seen one.
now im not suggesting that because you have an auto and another guy has a
manual that youll be "better".....but im saying that if you take the same
driver and give him 2 jeeps, one with a manual and one with an auto, he'll
most likely do "better" with the auto.
certainly there are exceptions to everything ive said but having owned and
wheeled both, ill never go back to a manual so long as a dependable auto is
available.
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com
news:qe3tmv00imhhhmmtif19r0fuc9oinh7rci@4ax.com...
> It's big $$$$$ to move that way.
true......but the personal expense of the last move hurt a whole lot more.
> The machine rolled ontop of me as I slid down it
> rolled onto me again and again all the way down to the bottom.
> Did I mention I was stupid enough not to have worn a helmet?!
the worst i ever got hurt on the atv, i was going less than 1mph. coming
down a STEEP hill i was in 1st gear low range and it was to low for the
incline. *** end came up over the front and landed on me.
> I was in pain for a long time. If something like that happened on the
> powerline hill you'd be dead due to all the rocks. But you also might
> be lucky and have it bounce over you. The Quad would be toast but.
> That's the way off roading is sometimes.
ive rolled mine on #9 slickrock at tellico, i lost it on the #11 staircase
once (one more tumble and i would have lost the quad over the big drop), the
brown mountain staircase, and i even threw myself off it last weekend trying
to spin a donut without taking it out of 4x4 first. :-) aside from the
donut trick, its all part of riding an atv. if you dont roll it once in
awhile, you arent pushing its limits and if you arent pushing its limits you
arent having any fun anyway. i dont recommend it for everyone, but with
enough experience you learn _how_ to fall off an atv. lol.
> I tried checking out some land in Montana but so far nothing online
> that is interesting that is affordable.
try www.beagleproperties.com
> I'll have to actually go there and look up a realtor rather than do it
> online.
definately the best way.
> Have you ever rolled your Jeep?
not yet anyway, and i dont want to change that if i can help it. unlike the
atv, the jeep isnt something i can just dust off and hop back on.
> Also just curious but is the Auto better than the Stick?
i keep hearing people say its a matter of personal preference, but these are
usually people that own manuals or theyre trying not to offend manual
owners. my '00 sahara was a 5 speed and my '03 rubicon is the 4 speed auto
(both can be seen here
http://7slotgrille.com/jeepers/tj/nathan/index.html ). prior to testing one
for myself, an auto just seemed out of place in a jeep. all it took was one
test to change my mind. having owned both it is my sincere belief that the
automatic is superior in every conceiveable way off road with the exception
of engine braking (and thats only a handicap if you dont know how to use the
big pedal beside the accelerator). (it is my belief that) the auto is
superior in mud and sand because it applies constant torque even during
shifts. if you ever watch street class mud bogs youll eventually notice
that the manuals have trouble when momentum is lost during a shift. with an
auto this isnt an issue. in really deep beach sand its the same thing. on
certain parts of ft. fisher youd better start out in whatever gear you
intend to stay in because if you attempt to shift your jeep will come to an
abrupt halt before you can complete the shift. this isnt an issue either
with an auto. the biggest advantage to an auto is in the rocks. because
there is slippage in the torque converter you wont knock off a dozen times
trying to creep up a really big/tricky boulder. ive never seen a pro class
rock crawler use an manual. while im sure there is an exception, i havent
seen one.
now im not suggesting that because you have an auto and another guy has a
manual that youll be "better".....but im saying that if you take the same
driver and give him 2 jeeps, one with a manual and one with an auto, he'll
most likely do "better" with the auto.
certainly there are exceptions to everything ive said but having owned and
wheeled both, ill never go back to a manual so long as a dependable auto is
available.
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com
09-22-2003, 03:19 AM
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Re: Paging Nathan Collier about Montanna
we had an "incident" a couple hours ago that im not going to discuss here
(for fear of being accused of using this forum for doing my own laundry) but
the wifey told me shed rather deal with the snow in montana than to stay
here any longer. it looks highly possible that ill make it out of here
sooner than i thought. once im able to unwind and relax again, im gonna
party like its 1999.
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com
(for fear of being accused of using this forum for doing my own laundry) but
the wifey told me shed rather deal with the snow in montana than to stay
here any longer. it looks highly possible that ill make it out of here
sooner than i thought. once im able to unwind and relax again, im gonna
party like its 1999.
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com
09-22-2003, 03:19 AM
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Re: Paging Nathan Collier about Montanna
we had an "incident" a couple hours ago that im not going to discuss here
(for fear of being accused of using this forum for doing my own laundry) but
the wifey told me shed rather deal with the snow in montana than to stay
here any longer. it looks highly possible that ill make it out of here
sooner than i thought. once im able to unwind and relax again, im gonna
party like its 1999.
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com
(for fear of being accused of using this forum for doing my own laundry) but
the wifey told me shed rather deal with the snow in montana than to stay
here any longer. it looks highly possible that ill make it out of here
sooner than i thought. once im able to unwind and relax again, im gonna
party like its 1999.
--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com
09-22-2003, 02:10 PM
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Re: Paging Nathan Collier about Montanna
Approximately 9/21/03 21:11, Scooby Don't uttered for posterity:
> On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 00:19:24 GMT, "Nathan W. Collier"
> <JeepTalk@7SlotGrille.com> wrote:
>
>>"Scooby Don't" <Scooby_do_not@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>news:11esmv0dsdk36th24gvtcjrv1jjv50iu0v@4ax.com. ..
>>> I'd have felt like driving that Uhaul right through their front
>>> window.
>>
>>today i laugh every time i pass a uhell on the road. literally.
>
> It's good to have a sense of humor. :)
> Next time You'll have to get something with ***** like a Ryder Truck
> or anything with a Turbo Diesel. Without the Turbo those trucks run
> out of wind fast.
According to their web site, Ryder doesn't do one way rentals...
is that outdated info? They seem to have the nicest trucks if
not for that little gotcha.
> On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 00:19:24 GMT, "Nathan W. Collier"
> <JeepTalk@7SlotGrille.com> wrote:
>
>>"Scooby Don't" <Scooby_do_not@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>news:11esmv0dsdk36th24gvtcjrv1jjv50iu0v@4ax.com. ..
>>> I'd have felt like driving that Uhaul right through their front
>>> window.
>>
>>today i laugh every time i pass a uhell on the road. literally.
>
> It's good to have a sense of humor. :)
> Next time You'll have to get something with ***** like a Ryder Truck
> or anything with a Turbo Diesel. Without the Turbo those trucks run
> out of wind fast.
According to their web site, Ryder doesn't do one way rentals...
is that outdated info? They seem to have the nicest trucks if
not for that little gotcha.
09-22-2003, 02:10 PM
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Re: Paging Nathan Collier about Montanna
Approximately 9/21/03 21:11, Scooby Don't uttered for posterity:
> On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 00:19:24 GMT, "Nathan W. Collier"
> <JeepTalk@7SlotGrille.com> wrote:
>
>>"Scooby Don't" <Scooby_do_not@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>news:11esmv0dsdk36th24gvtcjrv1jjv50iu0v@4ax.com. ..
>>> I'd have felt like driving that Uhaul right through their front
>>> window.
>>
>>today i laugh every time i pass a uhell on the road. literally.
>
> It's good to have a sense of humor. :)
> Next time You'll have to get something with ***** like a Ryder Truck
> or anything with a Turbo Diesel. Without the Turbo those trucks run
> out of wind fast.
According to their web site, Ryder doesn't do one way rentals...
is that outdated info? They seem to have the nicest trucks if
not for that little gotcha.
> On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 00:19:24 GMT, "Nathan W. Collier"
> <JeepTalk@7SlotGrille.com> wrote:
>
>>"Scooby Don't" <Scooby_do_not@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>news:11esmv0dsdk36th24gvtcjrv1jjv50iu0v@4ax.com. ..
>>> I'd have felt like driving that Uhaul right through their front
>>> window.
>>
>>today i laugh every time i pass a uhell on the road. literally.
>
> It's good to have a sense of humor. :)
> Next time You'll have to get something with ***** like a Ryder Truck
> or anything with a Turbo Diesel. Without the Turbo those trucks run
> out of wind fast.
According to their web site, Ryder doesn't do one way rentals...
is that outdated info? They seem to have the nicest trucks if
not for that little gotcha.
09-22-2003, 02:20 PM
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Re: Paging Nathan Collier about Montanna
Approximately 9/21/03 21:11, Scooby Don't uttered for posterity:
> On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 01:49:30 GMT, Lon Stowell
> <Lawn.Stowell@Komkast.net> wrote:
>> Watch out in western states buying land. You may buy the
>> "land" and find out you didn't get the timber rights, the
>> water rights, or the mining rights, depending on who used
>> to own it. This is allegedly less rare these days, but you
>> would want to make sure as otherwise you couldn't cut down
>> trees on your own property. Also watch out for hunting
>> restrictions...one of the finest ranches I lived on was
>> unfortunately a total game preserve even tho private
>> property. Generally if you totally restrict hunting for
>> 5 years in a row, the fish and game commission can declare
>> the property a game preserve.
>
> I didn't know about the F&G being able to make it a Preserve after 5
> years But I have heard of the various right being sold off. If I can't
> get fully clean land I don't want it.
The game preserve law *used* to be true, suspect it still
is. As for land, there are two types of realtors in Montana,
one only wants to sell "development" property and houses due
to their higher pricing. The others will sell old farmlands
and such, which are normally the best properties to get, and
the realtor is more likely to help you with getting all
land rights or tell you that they are not available on
that particular property. Most of the mining companies
will not sell land with mineral rights even if you buy
a house right in downtown...and you may get an ugly surprise
if they decide to mine your property.
>
>> The big lots come from the breakup of the old ranches, the
>> big timber lots, and the old mining companies. You shouldn't
>> have any problem getting property with potable water anywhere
>> as you get about past Great Falls going west, and as you
>> get into the alpine areas, usually running and/or standing
>> water of an acre or so isn't that big a deal.
>
> Yep, it's amazing that people will buy a house on acres of land like
> that.
Hey, it was *cheap* at the time, and someday maybe there
will be a road there....
> I've actually been looking at rural farmhoiuses, not so much just
> acreage. Nice, small home on 2-400 acres usually with a garage or a
> Quonset hut or both.
> Building a house can be a real hassle depending on whether or not the
> Building Inspector has a God Complex or not. Some of those guys are
> really bad.
What you need to watch out for is a town that decides to
extend its building codes beyond its legal boundaries and
authority to do so. You just end up in the middle with
all the legal bills. Worse is NOT following code in an
area that is about to be annexed and being forced to
upgrade before you can sell. For example, around Flathead
County, Kalispell, Whitefish, Evergreen district, are all
doing their best to make lawyers rich.
Best bet is to either buy close to town and get it inspected
or buy well away from town so it isn't a worry. It used to
be that if the road didn't have a name you were safe. However
with 911, the state is on a kick to name every cowpath.
>
> We have bears around where some of my relatives live and while they
> are just Black bears they can really get into stuff. Deer all over the
> place. Come hunting season they vanish. :)
>
Grizzly bears, except in a very small set of areas, are non-events
except for folks living in the bear territory. The black bear
are more of a nuisance, frequently wandering into town. So are
the white tail deer, and they don't vanish in the non-hunting
areas. A pet dog/wolf hybrid urinating around the property
does tend to discourage them tho.
> On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 01:49:30 GMT, Lon Stowell
> <Lawn.Stowell@Komkast.net> wrote:
>> Watch out in western states buying land. You may buy the
>> "land" and find out you didn't get the timber rights, the
>> water rights, or the mining rights, depending on who used
>> to own it. This is allegedly less rare these days, but you
>> would want to make sure as otherwise you couldn't cut down
>> trees on your own property. Also watch out for hunting
>> restrictions...one of the finest ranches I lived on was
>> unfortunately a total game preserve even tho private
>> property. Generally if you totally restrict hunting for
>> 5 years in a row, the fish and game commission can declare
>> the property a game preserve.
>
> I didn't know about the F&G being able to make it a Preserve after 5
> years But I have heard of the various right being sold off. If I can't
> get fully clean land I don't want it.
The game preserve law *used* to be true, suspect it still
is. As for land, there are two types of realtors in Montana,
one only wants to sell "development" property and houses due
to their higher pricing. The others will sell old farmlands
and such, which are normally the best properties to get, and
the realtor is more likely to help you with getting all
land rights or tell you that they are not available on
that particular property. Most of the mining companies
will not sell land with mineral rights even if you buy
a house right in downtown...and you may get an ugly surprise
if they decide to mine your property.
>
>> The big lots come from the breakup of the old ranches, the
>> big timber lots, and the old mining companies. You shouldn't
>> have any problem getting property with potable water anywhere
>> as you get about past Great Falls going west, and as you
>> get into the alpine areas, usually running and/or standing
>> water of an acre or so isn't that big a deal.
>
> Yep, it's amazing that people will buy a house on acres of land like
> that.
Hey, it was *cheap* at the time, and someday maybe there
will be a road there....
> I've actually been looking at rural farmhoiuses, not so much just
> acreage. Nice, small home on 2-400 acres usually with a garage or a
> Quonset hut or both.
> Building a house can be a real hassle depending on whether or not the
> Building Inspector has a God Complex or not. Some of those guys are
> really bad.
What you need to watch out for is a town that decides to
extend its building codes beyond its legal boundaries and
authority to do so. You just end up in the middle with
all the legal bills. Worse is NOT following code in an
area that is about to be annexed and being forced to
upgrade before you can sell. For example, around Flathead
County, Kalispell, Whitefish, Evergreen district, are all
doing their best to make lawyers rich.
Best bet is to either buy close to town and get it inspected
or buy well away from town so it isn't a worry. It used to
be that if the road didn't have a name you were safe. However
with 911, the state is on a kick to name every cowpath.
>
> We have bears around where some of my relatives live and while they
> are just Black bears they can really get into stuff. Deer all over the
> place. Come hunting season they vanish. :)
>
Grizzly bears, except in a very small set of areas, are non-events
except for folks living in the bear territory. The black bear
are more of a nuisance, frequently wandering into town. So are
the white tail deer, and they don't vanish in the non-hunting
areas. A pet dog/wolf hybrid urinating around the property
does tend to discourage them tho.
09-22-2003, 02:20 PM
#29
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Paging Nathan Collier about Montanna
Approximately 9/21/03 21:11, Scooby Don't uttered for posterity:
> On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 01:49:30 GMT, Lon Stowell
> <Lawn.Stowell@Komkast.net> wrote:
>> Watch out in western states buying land. You may buy the
>> "land" and find out you didn't get the timber rights, the
>> water rights, or the mining rights, depending on who used
>> to own it. This is allegedly less rare these days, but you
>> would want to make sure as otherwise you couldn't cut down
>> trees on your own property. Also watch out for hunting
>> restrictions...one of the finest ranches I lived on was
>> unfortunately a total game preserve even tho private
>> property. Generally if you totally restrict hunting for
>> 5 years in a row, the fish and game commission can declare
>> the property a game preserve.
>
> I didn't know about the F&G being able to make it a Preserve after 5
> years But I have heard of the various right being sold off. If I can't
> get fully clean land I don't want it.
The game preserve law *used* to be true, suspect it still
is. As for land, there are two types of realtors in Montana,
one only wants to sell "development" property and houses due
to their higher pricing. The others will sell old farmlands
and such, which are normally the best properties to get, and
the realtor is more likely to help you with getting all
land rights or tell you that they are not available on
that particular property. Most of the mining companies
will not sell land with mineral rights even if you buy
a house right in downtown...and you may get an ugly surprise
if they decide to mine your property.
>
>> The big lots come from the breakup of the old ranches, the
>> big timber lots, and the old mining companies. You shouldn't
>> have any problem getting property with potable water anywhere
>> as you get about past Great Falls going west, and as you
>> get into the alpine areas, usually running and/or standing
>> water of an acre or so isn't that big a deal.
>
> Yep, it's amazing that people will buy a house on acres of land like
> that.
Hey, it was *cheap* at the time, and someday maybe there
will be a road there....
> I've actually been looking at rural farmhoiuses, not so much just
> acreage. Nice, small home on 2-400 acres usually with a garage or a
> Quonset hut or both.
> Building a house can be a real hassle depending on whether or not the
> Building Inspector has a God Complex or not. Some of those guys are
> really bad.
What you need to watch out for is a town that decides to
extend its building codes beyond its legal boundaries and
authority to do so. You just end up in the middle with
all the legal bills. Worse is NOT following code in an
area that is about to be annexed and being forced to
upgrade before you can sell. For example, around Flathead
County, Kalispell, Whitefish, Evergreen district, are all
doing their best to make lawyers rich.
Best bet is to either buy close to town and get it inspected
or buy well away from town so it isn't a worry. It used to
be that if the road didn't have a name you were safe. However
with 911, the state is on a kick to name every cowpath.
>
> We have bears around where some of my relatives live and while they
> are just Black bears they can really get into stuff. Deer all over the
> place. Come hunting season they vanish. :)
>
Grizzly bears, except in a very small set of areas, are non-events
except for folks living in the bear territory. The black bear
are more of a nuisance, frequently wandering into town. So are
the white tail deer, and they don't vanish in the non-hunting
areas. A pet dog/wolf hybrid urinating around the property
does tend to discourage them tho.
> On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 01:49:30 GMT, Lon Stowell
> <Lawn.Stowell@Komkast.net> wrote:
>> Watch out in western states buying land. You may buy the
>> "land" and find out you didn't get the timber rights, the
>> water rights, or the mining rights, depending on who used
>> to own it. This is allegedly less rare these days, but you
>> would want to make sure as otherwise you couldn't cut down
>> trees on your own property. Also watch out for hunting
>> restrictions...one of the finest ranches I lived on was
>> unfortunately a total game preserve even tho private
>> property. Generally if you totally restrict hunting for
>> 5 years in a row, the fish and game commission can declare
>> the property a game preserve.
>
> I didn't know about the F&G being able to make it a Preserve after 5
> years But I have heard of the various right being sold off. If I can't
> get fully clean land I don't want it.
The game preserve law *used* to be true, suspect it still
is. As for land, there are two types of realtors in Montana,
one only wants to sell "development" property and houses due
to their higher pricing. The others will sell old farmlands
and such, which are normally the best properties to get, and
the realtor is more likely to help you with getting all
land rights or tell you that they are not available on
that particular property. Most of the mining companies
will not sell land with mineral rights even if you buy
a house right in downtown...and you may get an ugly surprise
if they decide to mine your property.
>
>> The big lots come from the breakup of the old ranches, the
>> big timber lots, and the old mining companies. You shouldn't
>> have any problem getting property with potable water anywhere
>> as you get about past Great Falls going west, and as you
>> get into the alpine areas, usually running and/or standing
>> water of an acre or so isn't that big a deal.
>
> Yep, it's amazing that people will buy a house on acres of land like
> that.
Hey, it was *cheap* at the time, and someday maybe there
will be a road there....
> I've actually been looking at rural farmhoiuses, not so much just
> acreage. Nice, small home on 2-400 acres usually with a garage or a
> Quonset hut or both.
> Building a house can be a real hassle depending on whether or not the
> Building Inspector has a God Complex or not. Some of those guys are
> really bad.
What you need to watch out for is a town that decides to
extend its building codes beyond its legal boundaries and
authority to do so. You just end up in the middle with
all the legal bills. Worse is NOT following code in an
area that is about to be annexed and being forced to
upgrade before you can sell. For example, around Flathead
County, Kalispell, Whitefish, Evergreen district, are all
doing their best to make lawyers rich.
Best bet is to either buy close to town and get it inspected
or buy well away from town so it isn't a worry. It used to
be that if the road didn't have a name you were safe. However
with 911, the state is on a kick to name every cowpath.
>
> We have bears around where some of my relatives live and while they
> are just Black bears they can really get into stuff. Deer all over the
> place. Come hunting season they vanish. :)
>
Grizzly bears, except in a very small set of areas, are non-events
except for folks living in the bear territory. The black bear
are more of a nuisance, frequently wandering into town. So are
the white tail deer, and they don't vanish in the non-hunting
areas. A pet dog/wolf hybrid urinating around the property
does tend to discourage them tho.
09-22-2003, 02:23 PM
#30
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Paging Nathan Collier about Montanna
Approximately 9/22/03 00:19, Nathan W. Collier uttered for posterity:
> we had an "incident" a couple hours ago that im not going to discuss here
> (for fear of being accused of using this forum for doing my own laundry) but
> the wifey told me shed rather deal with the snow in montana than to stay
> here any longer. it looks highly possible that ill make it out of here
> sooner than i thought. once im able to unwind and relax again, im gonna
> party like its 1999.
>
Good luck. Check the weather, it just snowed on Logan a weekend
ago...putting out most of the fires. If you stay on the interstates,
I've never been out of travel for more than 1 day even in the middle
of winter. Take cable chains and only a blizzard that drops several
feet of snow on the highway can stop you.
> we had an "incident" a couple hours ago that im not going to discuss here
> (for fear of being accused of using this forum for doing my own laundry) but
> the wifey told me shed rather deal with the snow in montana than to stay
> here any longer. it looks highly possible that ill make it out of here
> sooner than i thought. once im able to unwind and relax again, im gonna
> party like its 1999.
>
Good luck. Check the weather, it just snowed on Logan a weekend
ago...putting out most of the fires. If you stay on the interstates,
I've never been out of travel for more than 1 day even in the middle
of winter. Take cable chains and only a blizzard that drops several
feet of snow on the highway can stop you.
