Lon Stowell

Approximately 9/22/03 15:12, Earle Horton uttered for posterity:

> "Nathan W. Collier" <JeepTalk@7SlotGrille.com> wrote in message
> news:b2Jbb.8777$Af4.5042@twister.southeast.rr.com. ..
>> "Scooby Don't" <Scooby_do_not@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:eklumv8a1mjsspc6or65cinmdjlhjofhue@4ax.com...
>> > Well Hell I'd rather deal with Snow than Hurricanes anyday. :)
>>
>> wasnt the hurricane that did it. 'twas another run-in with a
>> crack head.
>>
> I can't vouch for Montana, but coming to Colorado wouldn't be a real good
> way to escape from crack heads...

There are crack heads in montana. But mostly what you get is
outlaw bikers with speed labs, until the law catches up with
them.

Nathan W. Collier

"Lon Stowell" <Lawn.Stowell@Komkast.net> wrote in message
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> What you need is skis.

so i can die even faster! :-)


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Nathan W. Collier

"Lon Stowell" <Lawn.Stowell@Komkast.net> wrote in message
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> What you need is skis.

so i can die even faster! :-)


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Nathan W. Collier

"Lon Stowell" <Lawn.Stowell@Komkast.net> wrote in message
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> There are crack heads in montana. But mostly what you get is
> outlaw bikers with speed labs, until the law catches up with
> them.

i passed a few areas in my explorations, but it was nothing like it is here.


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"Lon Stowell" <Lawn.Stowell@Komkast.net> wrote in message
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> There are crack heads in montana. But mostly what you get is
> outlaw bikers with speed labs, until the law catches up with
> them.

i passed a few areas in my explorations, but it was nothing like it is here.


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L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

They seem obvious to the cat urine smell their labs make.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
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"Nathan W. Collier" wrote:
>
> i passed a few areas in my explorations, but it was nothing like it is here.
>
> --
> Nathan W. Collier
> http://7SlotGrille.com

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

They seem obvious to the cat urine smell their labs make.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

"Nathan W. Collier" wrote:
>
> i passed a few areas in my explorations, but it was nothing like it is here.
>
> --
> Nathan W. Collier
> http://7SlotGrille.com

Scooby Don't

On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 20:34:09 GMT, "Nathan W. Collier"
<JeepTalk@7SlotGrille.com> wrote:

>> I don't know as I want to push an ATV hard enough to lose it any more.
>
>i guess im about at the same point, for the most part anyway. im purchasing
>a rhino http://tinyurl.com/o6ck when they come out so that my 2 year old
>can ride with me buckled in safely. it wont be able to do the extreme stuff
>like the atv can anyway, but should still be capable enough to ride 75% of
>tellico (although id never take a 2 year old there anyway) and provide
>protection for both of us.

I looked at the Rhino and still am looking at it but I always ride
alone so the issue is more what can my back handle rather than how
much performance it has. But after looking at the Rhino which is not
cheap. I haven't driven one yet. I could buy a Sandrail or a Rail
Buggy and have a full rollcage, more comfort and more grunt.
But then again a rail buggy is just a 2wd. A Jeep is not an ATV. So
it's a tough choice. Hands down the Rhino would win at plowing a
driveway.

>> I wouldn't
>> mind having a sled again.
>
>thats in my long term plans but sleds scare me. my atv runs about 52mph,
>the rhino will run somewhere around 65 but neither gets close to that fast
>on technical trails. most sleds can break 100mph easy and i know if itll do
>it, then ill push it.

I have a built in fear factor. I know when I am pushing myself and
that's usually when things go ---- up.
Sleds can be a lot of fun but the stuff under the snow plus stuff on
the trails can kill you. My neighbor was jetting around on his dads
sled at night. he hit a barb wire fence going pretty fast and
decapitated himself. This was around 26 years ago.
Sleds can be deadly but ATV's are not much better. a 4x4 is safest but
going offroad isn't safe to begin with, it's just you have to minimize
doing stupid stuff.

>> I must have hit that doing 40 mph.
>
>ouch! my point exactly. on the trail im usually going below 10mph and
>since ive learned my lesson about coming down crazy steep inclines,
>hopefully there wont be anymore accidents (i dont consider rolling an atv to
>be an accident unless it lands on you or you get hurt in the process).

Accidents happen all the time, that's whythey are accidents. The worst
ones are the preventable ones. Lotys of kids get hurt gooofing around
doing stuff they shouldn't.
I read that story about 5 kids getting killed on an ATV. Sorry but
blaming the driver of the car isn't the real answer. Young kids
shouldn't be out on the roads on an overloaded quad and unsupervised.
Tragic but chances are the kids were doing something stupid. Starting
with 5 of them on it.
I actually saw a kid get hit on a bicycle about 10 years back. The kid
was doing jumps off the curb into a super busy street. No parents
around and this street is a 25 mph so the cops can collect tickets but
it's a lot of cars and very few are going 25 mph.
Plus teh kid was riding around IN the street in and around the cars.
I saw him doing this when I was going up the street. Coming back the
bike was crumpled and he was messed up real bad lots of ambulances.
He died shortly after. The parents of course blamed the driver of the
car.The driver got 5 years but because witnesses testified what the
kid was doing in the street. The sentence was suspended.
Kids need a place to ride bikes and ATV's and all the fun stuff but a
busy street or highway just isn't the place.
Sorry for the rant.

>> This sounds a lot like teh trouble I have had with 2 strokes. Once you
>> run out of juice you HAVE to shift.
>
>yup. thats the same reason why i prefer my brothers 500 automatic atv over
>my 500 manual. any more atv purchases will be auto for the same reason.
>the rhino is also auto.

Yeah I think now I'd go with an Auto on a 4x4 quad. Ditto on a 4x4
Jeep.

Scooby Don't

On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 20:34:09 GMT, "Nathan W. Collier"
<JeepTalk@7SlotGrille.com> wrote:

>> I don't know as I want to push an ATV hard enough to lose it any more.
>
>i guess im about at the same point, for the most part anyway. im purchasing
>a rhino http://tinyurl.com/o6ck when they come out so that my 2 year old
>can ride with me buckled in safely. it wont be able to do the extreme stuff
>like the atv can anyway, but should still be capable enough to ride 75% of
>tellico (although id never take a 2 year old there anyway) and provide
>protection for both of us.

I looked at the Rhino and still am looking at it but I always ride
alone so the issue is more what can my back handle rather than how
much performance it has. But after looking at the Rhino which is not
cheap. I haven't driven one yet. I could buy a Sandrail or a Rail
Buggy and have a full rollcage, more comfort and more grunt.
But then again a rail buggy is just a 2wd. A Jeep is not an ATV. So
it's a tough choice. Hands down the Rhino would win at plowing a
driveway.

>> I wouldn't
>> mind having a sled again.
>
>thats in my long term plans but sleds scare me. my atv runs about 52mph,
>the rhino will run somewhere around 65 but neither gets close to that fast
>on technical trails. most sleds can break 100mph easy and i know if itll do
>it, then ill push it.

I have a built in fear factor. I know when I am pushing myself and
that's usually when things go ---- up.
Sleds can be a lot of fun but the stuff under the snow plus stuff on
the trails can kill you. My neighbor was jetting around on his dads
sled at night. he hit a barb wire fence going pretty fast and
decapitated himself. This was around 26 years ago.
Sleds can be deadly but ATV's are not much better. a 4x4 is safest but
going offroad isn't safe to begin with, it's just you have to minimize
doing stupid stuff.

>> I must have hit that doing 40 mph.
>
>ouch! my point exactly. on the trail im usually going below 10mph and
>since ive learned my lesson about coming down crazy steep inclines,
>hopefully there wont be anymore accidents (i dont consider rolling an atv to
>be an accident unless it lands on you or you get hurt in the process).

Accidents happen all the time, that's whythey are accidents. The worst
ones are the preventable ones. Lotys of kids get hurt gooofing around
doing stuff they shouldn't.
I read that story about 5 kids getting killed on an ATV. Sorry but
blaming the driver of the car isn't the real answer. Young kids
shouldn't be out on the roads on an overloaded quad and unsupervised.
Tragic but chances are the kids were doing something stupid. Starting
with 5 of them on it.
I actually saw a kid get hit on a bicycle about 10 years back. The kid
was doing jumps off the curb into a super busy street. No parents
around and this street is a 25 mph so the cops can collect tickets but
it's a lot of cars and very few are going 25 mph.
Plus teh kid was riding around IN the street in and around the cars.
I saw him doing this when I was going up the street. Coming back the
bike was crumpled and he was messed up real bad lots of ambulances.
He died shortly after. The parents of course blamed the driver of the
car.The driver got 5 years but because witnesses testified what the
kid was doing in the street. The sentence was suspended.
Kids need a place to ride bikes and ATV's and all the fun stuff but a
busy street or highway just isn't the place.
Sorry for the rant.

>> This sounds a lot like teh trouble I have had with 2 strokes. Once you
>> run out of juice you HAVE to shift.
>
>yup. thats the same reason why i prefer my brothers 500 automatic atv over
>my 500 manual. any more atv purchases will be auto for the same reason.
>the rhino is also auto.

Yeah I think now I'd go with an Auto on a 4x4 quad. Ditto on a 4x4
Jeep.

Scooby Don't

On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 20:35:19 GMT, "Nathan W. Collier"
<JeepTalk@7SlotGrille.com> wrote:

>"Scooby Don't" <Scooby_do_not@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:eklumv8a1mjsspc6or65cinmdjlhjofhue@4ax.com.. .
>> Well Hell I'd rather deal with Snow than Hurricanes anyday. :)
>
>wasnt the hurricane that did it. 'twas another run-in with a crack head.

Use up much ammunition? :)
This is why I think Florida sucks. My sister lives down there and car
jackings are like nothing down there. They happen all the time.
Screw that. I think in Montana you are allowed to carry a gun as long
as it's holstered.