Nathan W. Collier

"Scooby Don't" <Scooby_do_not@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> I'd have felt like driving that Uhaul right through their front
> window.

today i laugh every time i pass a uhell on the road. literally.

> I'll have to checkout more land than I've looked at. I want trees and
> not just flat farmland tho.

theres plenty of that in places like sidney (irrigated valley).

> Your wife will adapt once you settle in as long as it's not too
> remote.

yeah, in hindsight i wish i could have "forced" her to stay to try it, but i
couldnt bring myself to force her to do anything. so long as i get a house
first this time and we have somewhere to go it will relieve a lot of her
stress to just fly her up.

> Does she offroad and sled with you?

just on the beach http://7slotgrille.com/beach otherwise i dont take her.
she gets scared when things get off camber.


--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com

Lon Stowell

Approximately 9/21/03 12:58, Nathan W. Collier uttered for posterity:.
>
> .....but you have to cross the continental divide twice on I15 to get to
> great falls. in fact, that was the breaking point for us. we took the
> wifeys jeep on up to see what we were walking away from.

I meant like Marias Pass or the one between Missoula and Swan
Lake with the name I just forgot. Great Falls reminds me more
of the big butte countries in western Nebraska or mid Wyoming,
as you go northwest, Montana becomes extremely Alpine in nature.
Sadly, with fewer jobs.
>
>> Biggest difference is water... if there's a low spot, there will be
>> a creek in it, frequently with fish.
>
> i found the missouri river to be amazing. we must of crossed it a half
> dozen times between great falls and billings (seems like it anyway).

Ya gotta go farther west. Check out the Flathead, Stillwater,
Kootenai, Snake, and Columbia rivers. And Flathead Lake which
is bigger than Tahoe, and sadly darned near as crowded and polluted,
which is why I hang out up near Bitterroot or Talley with the
grizzly bears.
>
>> When you get so far out that
>> you really need a 4wd, the land becomes more affordable, but
>> getting electricity can be a bit of a pain.
>
> what about REA?

REA is good for properties near towns, but if you get too
far out, there is no Rural Electrification Association.

Lon Stowell

Approximately 9/21/03 12:58, Nathan W. Collier uttered for posterity:.
>
> .....but you have to cross the continental divide twice on I15 to get to
> great falls. in fact, that was the breaking point for us. we took the
> wifeys jeep on up to see what we were walking away from.

I meant like Marias Pass or the one between Missoula and Swan
Lake with the name I just forgot. Great Falls reminds me more
of the big butte countries in western Nebraska or mid Wyoming,
as you go northwest, Montana becomes extremely Alpine in nature.
Sadly, with fewer jobs.
>
>> Biggest difference is water... if there's a low spot, there will be
>> a creek in it, frequently with fish.
>
> i found the missouri river to be amazing. we must of crossed it a half
> dozen times between great falls and billings (seems like it anyway).

Ya gotta go farther west. Check out the Flathead, Stillwater,
Kootenai, Snake, and Columbia rivers. And Flathead Lake which
is bigger than Tahoe, and sadly darned near as crowded and polluted,
which is why I hang out up near Bitterroot or Talley with the
grizzly bears.
>
>> When you get so far out that
>> you really need a 4wd, the land becomes more affordable, but
>> getting electricity can be a bit of a pain.
>
> what about REA?

REA is good for properties near towns, but if you get too
far out, there is no Rural Electrification Association.

Lon Stowell

Approximately 9/21/03 16:52, Scooby Don't uttered for posterity:


> I'll have to checkout more land than I've looked at. I want trees and
> not just flat farmland tho.

Watch out in western states buying land. You may buy the
"land" and find out you didn't get the timber rights, the
water rights, or the mining rights, depending on who used
to own it. This is allegedly less rare these days, but you
would want to make sure as otherwise you couldn't cut down
trees on your own property. Also watch out for hunting
restrictions...one of the finest ranches I lived on was
unfortunately a total game preserve even tho private
property. Generally if you totally restrict hunting for
5 years in a row, the fish and game commission can declare
the property a game preserve.

The big lots come from the breakup of the old ranches, the
big timber lots, and the old mining companies. You shouldn't
have any problem getting property with potable water anywhere
as you get about past Great Falls going west, and as you
get into the alpine areas, usually running and/or standing
water of an acre or so isn't that big a deal.
>
>>> I looked at some places on line
>>> in Montana and we are talking big prices half a Mil and up for land
>>> and houses.

Look for rural acreage. And avoid anything that looks like
a developer. I can't believe folks are blowing coupla hundred
K for small lots and houses in what used to be a swamp about
halfway between Kalispell and Whitefish. Drive another coupla
miles north and turn west and you can get several acres near
the river for the same price. Ya might have to build your own
house while you live in a trailer [or the basement...pretty common].


>
> We have a lot of awesome States in the USA. Personally I prefered
> wooded areas trails and the like but Maine is too expensive now.

Hey, if you don't mind sharing those wooded trails with the
grizzly bears head for Montana or the Idaho panhandle.

Lon Stowell

Approximately 9/21/03 16:52, Scooby Don't uttered for posterity:


> I'll have to checkout more land than I've looked at. I want trees and
> not just flat farmland tho.

Watch out in western states buying land. You may buy the
"land" and find out you didn't get the timber rights, the
water rights, or the mining rights, depending on who used
to own it. This is allegedly less rare these days, but you
would want to make sure as otherwise you couldn't cut down
trees on your own property. Also watch out for hunting
restrictions...one of the finest ranches I lived on was
unfortunately a total game preserve even tho private
property. Generally if you totally restrict hunting for
5 years in a row, the fish and game commission can declare
the property a game preserve.

The big lots come from the breakup of the old ranches, the
big timber lots, and the old mining companies. You shouldn't
have any problem getting property with potable water anywhere
as you get about past Great Falls going west, and as you
get into the alpine areas, usually running and/or standing
water of an acre or so isn't that big a deal.
>
>>> I looked at some places on line
>>> in Montana and we are talking big prices half a Mil and up for land
>>> and houses.

Look for rural acreage. And avoid anything that looks like
a developer. I can't believe folks are blowing coupla hundred
K for small lots and houses in what used to be a swamp about
halfway between Kalispell and Whitefish. Drive another coupla
miles north and turn west and you can get several acres near
the river for the same price. Ya might have to build your own
house while you live in a trailer [or the basement...pretty common].


>
> We have a lot of awesome States in the USA. Personally I prefered
> wooded areas trails and the like but Maine is too expensive now.

Hey, if you don't mind sharing those wooded trails with the
grizzly bears head for Montana or the Idaho panhandle.

Scooby Don't

On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 00:19:24 GMT, "Nathan W. Collier"
<JeepTalk@7SlotGrille.com> wrote:

>"Scooby Don't" <Scooby_do_not@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:11esmv0dsdk36th24gvtcjrv1jjv50iu0v@4ax.com.. .
>> I'd have felt like driving that Uhaul right through their front
>> window.
>
>today i laugh every time i pass a uhell on the road. literally.

It's good to have a sense of humor. :)
Next time You'll have to get something with ***** like a Ryder Truck
or anything with a Turbo Diesel. Without the Turbo those trucks run
out of wind fast.

>> I'll have to checkout more land than I've looked at. I want trees and
>> not just flat farmland tho.
>
>theres plenty of that in places like sidney (irrigated valley).

I'll scope it out online first. Thanks Nathan.

>> Your wife will adapt once you settle in as long as it's not too
>> remote.
>
>yeah, in hindsight i wish i could have "forced" her to stay to try it, but i
>couldnt bring myself to force her to do anything. so long as i get a house
>first this time and we have somewhere to go it will relieve a lot of her
>stress to just fly her up.

Oh yeah if you had forced her she would been hell to live with.
Forcing women to do anything is like Herding cats. Next time you'll
get it to work.

>> Does she offroad and sled with you?
>
>just on the beach http://7slotgrille.com/beach otherwise i dont take her.
>she gets scared when things get off camber.

Yeah I've been there sometimes I have looked at hills we *used* to
have here and said "No way" We did have one before the cops really
busted ***** on it and it was a steep hill where the powerlines are
and They never used to get hassled. But You'd see trucks roll down
that hill like rubber *****. A Roll bar was a must or you'd get
killed. I drove up to the base in my 4x4 Full size Chevy Pickup (no
roll bar) and said No Effing way! Sure I wimped out but no roll bar, a
hill beyond my abilities, no spotters, wrong type of tires, and my
much needed daily driver on the line.
Fun to watch peopel try and make it tho, and you could drive around
and actually watch from the top as well.
I prefer trails that you won't roll down for a couple of minutes. :)

Scooby Don't

On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 00:19:24 GMT, "Nathan W. Collier"
<JeepTalk@7SlotGrille.com> wrote:

>"Scooby Don't" <Scooby_do_not@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:11esmv0dsdk36th24gvtcjrv1jjv50iu0v@4ax.com.. .
>> I'd have felt like driving that Uhaul right through their front
>> window.
>
>today i laugh every time i pass a uhell on the road. literally.

It's good to have a sense of humor. :)
Next time You'll have to get something with ***** like a Ryder Truck
or anything with a Turbo Diesel. Without the Turbo those trucks run
out of wind fast.

>> I'll have to checkout more land than I've looked at. I want trees and
>> not just flat farmland tho.
>
>theres plenty of that in places like sidney (irrigated valley).

I'll scope it out online first. Thanks Nathan.

>> Your wife will adapt once you settle in as long as it's not too
>> remote.
>
>yeah, in hindsight i wish i could have "forced" her to stay to try it, but i
>couldnt bring myself to force her to do anything. so long as i get a house
>first this time and we have somewhere to go it will relieve a lot of her
>stress to just fly her up.

Oh yeah if you had forced her she would been hell to live with.
Forcing women to do anything is like Herding cats. Next time you'll
get it to work.

>> Does she offroad and sled with you?
>
>just on the beach http://7slotgrille.com/beach otherwise i dont take her.
>she gets scared when things get off camber.

Yeah I've been there sometimes I have looked at hills we *used* to
have here and said "No way" We did have one before the cops really
busted ***** on it and it was a steep hill where the powerlines are
and They never used to get hassled. But You'd see trucks roll down
that hill like rubber *****. A Roll bar was a must or you'd get
killed. I drove up to the base in my 4x4 Full size Chevy Pickup (no
roll bar) and said No Effing way! Sure I wimped out but no roll bar, a
hill beyond my abilities, no spotters, wrong type of tires, and my
much needed daily driver on the line.
Fun to watch peopel try and make it tho, and you could drive around
and actually watch from the top as well.
I prefer trails that you won't roll down for a couple of minutes. :)

Nathan W. Collier

"Scooby Don't" <Scooby_do_not@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Next time You'll have to get something with ***** like a Ryder Truck
> or anything with a Turbo Diesel. Without the Turbo those trucks run
> out of wind fast.

next time ill probably let movers handle it, and ill just drive my jeep up.

> Fun to watch peopel try and make it tho, and you could drive around
> and actually watch from the top as well.

thats one of the things i really enjoy about my atv. if i lose it (and i
do!) i just roll it back over, fire it up, and try again (assuming im still
conscious). :-)

--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com

Nathan W. Collier

"Scooby Don't" <Scooby_do_not@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:6prsmv08iqoqhh3fst37v71ogome58vt4b@4ax.com...
> Next time You'll have to get something with ***** like a Ryder Truck
> or anything with a Turbo Diesel. Without the Turbo those trucks run
> out of wind fast.

next time ill probably let movers handle it, and ill just drive my jeep up.

> Fun to watch peopel try and make it tho, and you could drive around
> and actually watch from the top as well.

thats one of the things i really enjoy about my atv. if i lose it (and i
do!) i just roll it back over, fire it up, and try again (assuming im still
conscious). :-)

--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com

Scooby Don't

On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 04:25:29 GMT, "Nathan W. Collier"
<JeepTalk@7SlotGrille.com> wrote:

>"Scooby Don't" <Scooby_do_not@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:6prsmv08iqoqhh3fst37v71ogome58vt4b@4ax.com.. .
>> Next time You'll have to get something with ***** like a Ryder Truck
>> or anything with a Turbo Diesel. Without the Turbo those trucks run
>> out of wind fast.
>
>next time ill probably let movers handle it, and ill just drive my jeep up.

It's big $$$$$ to move that way. My sister spent around $6K moving to
Florida. That's lot of money. But her company did pay for some of it.

>> Fun to watch peopel try and make it tho, and you could drive around
>> and actually watch from the top as well.
>
>thats one of the things i really enjoy about my atv. if i lose it (and i
>do!) i just roll it back over, fire it up, and try again (assuming im still
>conscious). :-)

If you were halfway up this particular hill as long as you were able
to get out of the way of the Quad you'd probably be ok. I had a 3
wheeler and I was on a fairly steep hill. That's why 2 strokes **** me
off so much. I ran out of juice near the top and had to shift to 3rd
which bogged it even wide open and when it caught it did a wheelie. I
went over backwards. The machine rolled ontop of me as I slid down it
rolled onto me again and again all the way down to the bottom.
Did I mention I was stupid enough not to have worn a helmet?!
I was in pain for a long time. If something like that happened on the
powerline hill you'd be dead due to all the rocks. But you also might
be lucky and have it bounce over you. The Quad would be toast but.
That's the way off roading is sometimes.

I tried checking out some land in Montana but so far nothing online
that is interesting that is affordable. Found a really nice farm for
sale. It had every kind of terrain you could think of including it's
own sandpit! it was around 650 acres.

I'll have to actually go there and look up a realtor rather than do it
online.

Have you ever rolled your Jeep?
Also just curious but is the Auto better than the Stick? I prefer a
manual tranny but offroad if your foots slips off the clutch it can be
a real problem.