Lon Stowell

Approximately 9/22/03 00:19, Nathan W. Collier uttered for posterity:

> we had an "incident" a couple hours ago that im not going to discuss here
> (for fear of being accused of using this forum for doing my own laundry) but
> the wifey told me shed rather deal with the snow in montana than to stay
> here any longer. it looks highly possible that ill make it out of here
> sooner than i thought. once im able to unwind and relax again, im gonna
> party like its 1999.
>

Good luck. Check the weather, it just snowed on Logan a weekend
ago...putting out most of the fires. If you stay on the interstates,
I've never been out of travel for more than 1 day even in the middle
of winter. Take cable chains and only a blizzard that drops several
feet of snow on the highway can stop you.

Earle Horton

"Lon Stowell" <Lawn.Stowell@Komkast.net> wrote in message
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>
> According to their web site, Ryder doesn't do one way rentals...
> is that outdated info? They seem to have the nicest trucks if
> not for that little gotcha.
>
No problem getting a Ryder for one way across Colorado two years ago. The
gas engine truck wasn't too bad on the passes either.

Earle

Earle Horton

"Lon Stowell" <Lawn.Stowell@Komkast.net> wrote in message
news:HWGbb.314149$2x.92086@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.n et...
--snip--
>
> According to their web site, Ryder doesn't do one way rentals...
> is that outdated info? They seem to have the nicest trucks if
> not for that little gotcha.
>
No problem getting a Ryder for one way across Colorado two years ago. The
gas engine truck wasn't too bad on the passes either.

Earle

Scooby Don't

On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 06:50:04 GMT, "Nathan W. Collier"
<JeepTalk@7SlotGrille.com> wrote:

>"Scooby Don't" <Scooby_do_not@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:qe3tmv00imhhhmmtif19r0fuc9oinh7rci@4ax.com.. .
>> It's big $$$$$ to move that way.
>
>true......but the personal expense of the last move hurt a whole lot more.

No doubt there, it' tough to move with the wife and kinder in tow.

>> The machine rolled ontop of me as I slid down it
>> rolled onto me again and again all the way down to the bottom.
>> Did I mention I was stupid enough not to have worn a helmet?!
>
>the worst i ever got hurt on the atv, i was going less than 1mph. coming
>down a STEEP hill i was in 1st gear low range and it was to low for the
>incline. *** end came up over the front and landed on me.

Ouch, that's no fun at all. It's easier to understand getting hurt
going too fast rather than too slow.

>ive rolled mine on #9 slickrock at tellico, i lost it on the #11 staircase
>once (one more tumble and i would have lost the quad over the big drop), the
>brown mountain staircase, and i even threw myself off it last weekend trying
>to spin a donut without taking it out of 4x4 first. :-) aside from the
>donut trick, its all part of riding an atv. if you dont roll it once in
>awhile, you arent pushing its limits and if you arent pushing its limits you
>arent having any fun anyway. i dont recommend it for everyone, but with
>enough experience you learn _how_ to fall off an atv. lol.

I don't know as I want to push an ATV hard enough to lose it any more.
I've already permanantly damaged myself. I have to take it pretty easy
from now on. No extreme trails or that sort of thing.
Montana should be a lot of fun for off road activities. I wouldn't
mind having a sled again. It's been too long.
I fell off my old sled once and that was a world of pain. SOB's had a
telephone pole under the snow on a slight incline in a field.
Thankfully it threw me clear of the machine which kept going for a
while. I must have hit that doing 40 mph. Groomed trails would be
better.

>> I tried checking out some land in Montana but so far nothing online
>> that is interesting that is affordable.
>
>try www.beagleproperties.com

Yep, I already tried them, it's a good site.

>> Have you ever rolled your Jeep?
>
>not yet anyway, and i dont want to change that if i can help it. unlike the
>atv, the jeep isnt something i can just dust off and hop back on.

I've pulled a few jeeps upright when I had my truck. Mostly youger
kids taking dads Jeep out for a beat run in the Pits. My truck was
pretty good at offroading but it was far better at pulling dead Jeeps
and things like that.

>> Also just curious but is the Auto better than the Stick?
>
>i keep hearing people say its a matter of personal preference, but these are
>usually people that own manuals or theyre trying not to offend manual
>owners. my '00 sahara was a 5 speed and my '03 rubicon is the 4 speed auto
>(both can be seen here
>http://7slotgrille.com/jeepers/tj/nathan/index.html ). prior to testing one
>for myself, an auto just seemed out of place in a jeep. all it took was one
>test to change my mind. having owned both it is my sincere belief that the
>automatic is superior in every conceiveable way off road with the exception
>of engine braking (and thats only a handicap if you dont know how to use the
>big pedal beside the accelerator). (it is my belief that) the auto is
>superior in mud and sand because it applies constant torque even during
>shifts. if you ever watch street class mud bogs youll eventually notice
>that the manuals have trouble when momentum is lost during a shift. with an
>auto this isnt an issue. in really deep beach sand its the same thing. on
>certain parts of ft. fisher youd better start out in whatever gear you
>intend to stay in because if you attempt to shift your jeep will come to an
>abrupt halt before you can complete the shift. this isnt an issue either
>with an auto. the biggest advantage to an auto is in the rocks. because
>there is slippage in the torque converter you wont knock off a dozen times
>trying to creep up a really big/tricky boulder. ive never seen a pro class
>rock crawler use an manual. while im sure there is an exception, i havent
>seen one.
>now im not suggesting that because you have an auto and another guy has a
>manual that youll be "better".....but im saying that if you take the same
>driver and give him 2 jeeps, one with a manual and one with an auto, he'll
>most likely do "better" with the auto.
>certainly there are exceptions to everything ive said but having owned and
>wheeled both, ill never go back to a manual so long as a dependable auto is
>available.

This sounds a lot like teh trouble I have had with 2 strokes. Once you
run out of juice you HAVE to shift. Once you shift you lose momentum.
I'd probably look at an auto if I were to get a Jeep. I prefer a stick
in a roadgoing car but offroad a lot is going on all at once. Plus
having chronic sciatica in your clutch leg means eventually that left
leg will give.
Thanks for the info.

Scooby Don't

On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 06:50:04 GMT, "Nathan W. Collier"
<JeepTalk@7SlotGrille.com> wrote:

>"Scooby Don't" <Scooby_do_not@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:qe3tmv00imhhhmmtif19r0fuc9oinh7rci@4ax.com.. .
>> It's big $$$$$ to move that way.
>
>true......but the personal expense of the last move hurt a whole lot more.

No doubt there, it' tough to move with the wife and kinder in tow.

>> The machine rolled ontop of me as I slid down it
>> rolled onto me again and again all the way down to the bottom.
>> Did I mention I was stupid enough not to have worn a helmet?!
>
>the worst i ever got hurt on the atv, i was going less than 1mph. coming
>down a STEEP hill i was in 1st gear low range and it was to low for the
>incline. *** end came up over the front and landed on me.

Ouch, that's no fun at all. It's easier to understand getting hurt
going too fast rather than too slow.

>ive rolled mine on #9 slickrock at tellico, i lost it on the #11 staircase
>once (one more tumble and i would have lost the quad over the big drop), the
>brown mountain staircase, and i even threw myself off it last weekend trying
>to spin a donut without taking it out of 4x4 first. :-) aside from the
>donut trick, its all part of riding an atv. if you dont roll it once in
>awhile, you arent pushing its limits and if you arent pushing its limits you
>arent having any fun anyway. i dont recommend it for everyone, but with
>enough experience you learn _how_ to fall off an atv. lol.

I don't know as I want to push an ATV hard enough to lose it any more.
I've already permanantly damaged myself. I have to take it pretty easy
from now on. No extreme trails or that sort of thing.
Montana should be a lot of fun for off road activities. I wouldn't
mind having a sled again. It's been too long.
I fell off my old sled once and that was a world of pain. SOB's had a
telephone pole under the snow on a slight incline in a field.
Thankfully it threw me clear of the machine which kept going for a
while. I must have hit that doing 40 mph. Groomed trails would be
better.

>> I tried checking out some land in Montana but so far nothing online
>> that is interesting that is affordable.
>
>try www.beagleproperties.com

Yep, I already tried them, it's a good site.

>> Have you ever rolled your Jeep?
>
>not yet anyway, and i dont want to change that if i can help it. unlike the
>atv, the jeep isnt something i can just dust off and hop back on.

I've pulled a few jeeps upright when I had my truck. Mostly youger
kids taking dads Jeep out for a beat run in the Pits. My truck was
pretty good at offroading but it was far better at pulling dead Jeeps
and things like that.

>> Also just curious but is the Auto better than the Stick?
>
>i keep hearing people say its a matter of personal preference, but these are
>usually people that own manuals or theyre trying not to offend manual
>owners. my '00 sahara was a 5 speed and my '03 rubicon is the 4 speed auto
>(both can be seen here
>http://7slotgrille.com/jeepers/tj/nathan/index.html ). prior to testing one
>for myself, an auto just seemed out of place in a jeep. all it took was one
>test to change my mind. having owned both it is my sincere belief that the
>automatic is superior in every conceiveable way off road with the exception
>of engine braking (and thats only a handicap if you dont know how to use the
>big pedal beside the accelerator). (it is my belief that) the auto is
>superior in mud and sand because it applies constant torque even during
>shifts. if you ever watch street class mud bogs youll eventually notice
>that the manuals have trouble when momentum is lost during a shift. with an
>auto this isnt an issue. in really deep beach sand its the same thing. on
>certain parts of ft. fisher youd better start out in whatever gear you
>intend to stay in because if you attempt to shift your jeep will come to an
>abrupt halt before you can complete the shift. this isnt an issue either
>with an auto. the biggest advantage to an auto is in the rocks. because
>there is slippage in the torque converter you wont knock off a dozen times
>trying to creep up a really big/tricky boulder. ive never seen a pro class
>rock crawler use an manual. while im sure there is an exception, i havent
>seen one.
>now im not suggesting that because you have an auto and another guy has a
>manual that youll be "better".....but im saying that if you take the same
>driver and give him 2 jeeps, one with a manual and one with an auto, he'll
>most likely do "better" with the auto.
>certainly there are exceptions to everything ive said but having owned and
>wheeled both, ill never go back to a manual so long as a dependable auto is
>available.

This sounds a lot like teh trouble I have had with 2 strokes. Once you
run out of juice you HAVE to shift. Once you shift you lose momentum.
I'd probably look at an auto if I were to get a Jeep. I prefer a stick
in a roadgoing car but offroad a lot is going on all at once. Plus
having chronic sciatica in your clutch leg means eventually that left
leg will give.
Thanks for the info.

Scooby Don't

On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 07:19:41 GMT, "Nathan W. Collier"
<JeepTalk@7SlotGrille.com> wrote:

>we had an "incident" a couple hours ago that im not going to discuss here
>(for fear of being accused of using this forum for doing my own laundry) but
>the wifey told me shed rather deal with the snow in montana than to stay
>here any longer. it looks highly possible that ill make it out of here
>sooner than i thought. once im able to unwind and relax again, im gonna
>party like its 1999.

Well Hell I'd rather deal with Snow than Hurricanes anyday. :)
At least it was a postive thing with your wife.

Scooby Don't

On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 07:19:41 GMT, "Nathan W. Collier"
<JeepTalk@7SlotGrille.com> wrote:

>we had an "incident" a couple hours ago that im not going to discuss here
>(for fear of being accused of using this forum for doing my own laundry) but
>the wifey told me shed rather deal with the snow in montana than to stay
>here any longer. it looks highly possible that ill make it out of here
>sooner than i thought. once im able to unwind and relax again, im gonna
>party like its 1999.

Well Hell I'd rather deal with Snow than Hurricanes anyday. :)
At least it was a postive thing with your wife.

Nathan W. Collier

"Scooby Don't" <Scooby_do_not@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:eukumv8f8ncjke952r8alkcmtaq4ki1esm@4ax.com...
> Ouch, that's no fun at all. It's easier to understand getting hurt
> going too fast rather than too slow.

that was one i never saw coming. the price of trying to show off for your
buds!

> I don't know as I want to push an ATV hard enough to lose it any more.

i guess im about at the same point, for the most part anyway. im purchasing
a rhino http://tinyurl.com/o6ck when they come out so that my 2 year old
can ride with me buckled in safely. it wont be able to do the extreme stuff
like the atv can anyway, but should still be capable enough to ride 75% of
tellico (although id never take a 2 year old there anyway) and provide
protection for both of us.

> I wouldn't
> mind having a sled again.

thats in my long term plans but sleds scare me. my atv runs about 52mph,
the rhino will run somewhere around 65 but neither gets close to that fast
on technical trails. most sleds can break 100mph easy and i know if itll do
it, then ill push it.

> I must have hit that doing 40 mph.

ouch! my point exactly. on the trail im usually going below 10mph and
since ive learned my lesson about coming down crazy steep inclines,
hopefully there wont be anymore accidents (i dont consider rolling an atv to
be an accident unless it lands on you or you get hurt in the process).

> This sounds a lot like teh trouble I have had with 2 strokes. Once you
> run out of juice you HAVE to shift.

yup. thats the same reason why i prefer my brothers 500 automatic atv over
my 500 manual. any more atv purchases will be auto for the same reason.
the rhino is also auto.

--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com

Nathan W. Collier

"Scooby Don't" <Scooby_do_not@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:eukumv8f8ncjke952r8alkcmtaq4ki1esm@4ax.com...
> Ouch, that's no fun at all. It's easier to understand getting hurt
> going too fast rather than too slow.

that was one i never saw coming. the price of trying to show off for your
buds!

> I don't know as I want to push an ATV hard enough to lose it any more.

i guess im about at the same point, for the most part anyway. im purchasing
a rhino http://tinyurl.com/o6ck when they come out so that my 2 year old
can ride with me buckled in safely. it wont be able to do the extreme stuff
like the atv can anyway, but should still be capable enough to ride 75% of
tellico (although id never take a 2 year old there anyway) and provide
protection for both of us.

> I wouldn't
> mind having a sled again.

thats in my long term plans but sleds scare me. my atv runs about 52mph,
the rhino will run somewhere around 65 but neither gets close to that fast
on technical trails. most sleds can break 100mph easy and i know if itll do
it, then ill push it.

> I must have hit that doing 40 mph.

ouch! my point exactly. on the trail im usually going below 10mph and
since ive learned my lesson about coming down crazy steep inclines,
hopefully there wont be anymore accidents (i dont consider rolling an atv to
be an accident unless it lands on you or you get hurt in the process).

> This sounds a lot like teh trouble I have had with 2 strokes. Once you
> run out of juice you HAVE to shift.

yup. thats the same reason why i prefer my brothers 500 automatic atv over
my 500 manual. any more atv purchases will be auto for the same reason.
the rhino is also auto.

--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com

Nathan W. Collier

"Scooby Don't" <Scooby_do_not@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Well Hell I'd rather deal with Snow than Hurricanes anyday. :)

wasnt the hurricane that did it. 'twas another run-in with a crack head.


--
Nathan W. Collier
http://7SlotGrille.com