Out of 4wd Hard
10-04-2003, 07:22 PM
#151
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Re: Out of 4wd Hard
That's french in lower case.
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Lon Stowell wrote:
>
> Aha, so not only is the S rating bogus, obviously the
> LTX is as well.... how dare those French!!
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Lon Stowell wrote:
>
> Aha, so not only is the S rating bogus, obviously the
> LTX is as well.... how dare those French!!
10-04-2003, 07:22 PM
#152
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Re: Out of 4wd Hard
That's french in lower case.
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Lon Stowell wrote:
>
> Aha, so not only is the S rating bogus, obviously the
> LTX is as well.... how dare those French!!
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Lon Stowell wrote:
>
> Aha, so not only is the S rating bogus, obviously the
> LTX is as well.... how dare those French!!
10-04-2003, 07:22 PM
#153
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Re: Out of 4wd Hard
That's french in lower case.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
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Lon Stowell wrote:
>
> Aha, so not only is the S rating bogus, obviously the
> LTX is as well.... how dare those French!!
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Lon Stowell wrote:
>
> Aha, so not only is the S rating bogus, obviously the
> LTX is as well.... how dare those French!!
10-04-2003, 07:32 PM
#154
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Re: Out of 4wd Hard
Re read my post this time with comprehension. I didn't say the S
rating was bogus, I indicated the tire you chose had a street tread
design, look at it again, and see if you can say it's an off road tire
with a straight face, it's a wimp tire:
http://www.1010tires.com/tire.asp?ti...l=LTX%AE+M%2FS
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
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"L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
>
> That's french in lower case.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Lon Stowell wrote:
> >
> > Aha, so not only is the S rating bogus, obviously the
> > LTX is as well.... how dare those French!!
rating was bogus, I indicated the tire you chose had a street tread
design, look at it again, and see if you can say it's an off road tire
with a straight face, it's a wimp tire:
http://www.1010tires.com/tire.asp?ti...l=LTX%AE+M%2FS
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
"L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
>
> That's french in lower case.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Lon Stowell wrote:
> >
> > Aha, so not only is the S rating bogus, obviously the
> > LTX is as well.... how dare those French!!
10-04-2003, 07:32 PM
#155
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Re: Out of 4wd Hard
Re read my post this time with comprehension. I didn't say the S
rating was bogus, I indicated the tire you chose had a street tread
design, look at it again, and see if you can say it's an off road tire
with a straight face, it's a wimp tire:
http://www.1010tires.com/tire.asp?ti...l=LTX%AE+M%2FS
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
"L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
>
> That's french in lower case.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Lon Stowell wrote:
> >
> > Aha, so not only is the S rating bogus, obviously the
> > LTX is as well.... how dare those French!!
rating was bogus, I indicated the tire you chose had a street tread
design, look at it again, and see if you can say it's an off road tire
with a straight face, it's a wimp tire:
http://www.1010tires.com/tire.asp?ti...l=LTX%AE+M%2FS
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
"L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
>
> That's french in lower case.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Lon Stowell wrote:
> >
> > Aha, so not only is the S rating bogus, obviously the
> > LTX is as well.... how dare those French!!
10-04-2003, 07:32 PM
#156
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Re: Out of 4wd Hard
Re read my post this time with comprehension. I didn't say the S
rating was bogus, I indicated the tire you chose had a street tread
design, look at it again, and see if you can say it's an off road tire
with a straight face, it's a wimp tire:
http://www.1010tires.com/tire.asp?ti...l=LTX%AE+M%2FS
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
"L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
>
> That's french in lower case.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Lon Stowell wrote:
> >
> > Aha, so not only is the S rating bogus, obviously the
> > LTX is as well.... how dare those French!!
rating was bogus, I indicated the tire you chose had a street tread
design, look at it again, and see if you can say it's an off road tire
with a straight face, it's a wimp tire:
http://www.1010tires.com/tire.asp?ti...l=LTX%AE+M%2FS
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
"L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
>
> That's french in lower case.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Lon Stowell wrote:
> >
> > Aha, so not only is the S rating bogus, obviously the
> > LTX is as well.... how dare those French!!
10-04-2003, 07:54 PM
#157
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Re: Out of 4wd Hard
Ahhh, the light dawns. *Real* offroad tires don't have speed
ratings. Oddly enough, I have heard good things about the
Michelin AT and the Pirelli AT, both of which are available
as S rated LT versions. Somehow the comprehension is more
apprehension at this point.
Approximately 10/4/03 16:32, L.W.(ßill) ------ III uttered for posterity:
> Re read my post this time with comprehension. I didn't say the S
> rating was bogus, I indicated the tire you chose had a street tread
> design, look at it again, and see if you can say it's an off road tire
> with a straight face, it's a wimp tire:
> http://www.1010tires.com/tire.asp?ti...l=LTX%AE+M%2FS
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> "L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
>>
>> That's french in lower case.
>> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>
>> Lon Stowell wrote:
>> >
>> > Aha, so not only is the S rating bogus, obviously the
>> > LTX is as well.... how dare those French!!
ratings. Oddly enough, I have heard good things about the
Michelin AT and the Pirelli AT, both of which are available
as S rated LT versions. Somehow the comprehension is more
apprehension at this point.
Approximately 10/4/03 16:32, L.W.(ßill) ------ III uttered for posterity:
> Re read my post this time with comprehension. I didn't say the S
> rating was bogus, I indicated the tire you chose had a street tread
> design, look at it again, and see if you can say it's an off road tire
> with a straight face, it's a wimp tire:
> http://www.1010tires.com/tire.asp?ti...l=LTX%AE+M%2FS
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> "L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
>>
>> That's french in lower case.
>> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>
>> Lon Stowell wrote:
>> >
>> > Aha, so not only is the S rating bogus, obviously the
>> > LTX is as well.... how dare those French!!
10-04-2003, 07:54 PM
#158
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Re: Out of 4wd Hard
Ahhh, the light dawns. *Real* offroad tires don't have speed
ratings. Oddly enough, I have heard good things about the
Michelin AT and the Pirelli AT, both of which are available
as S rated LT versions. Somehow the comprehension is more
apprehension at this point.
Approximately 10/4/03 16:32, L.W.(ßill) ------ III uttered for posterity:
> Re read my post this time with comprehension. I didn't say the S
> rating was bogus, I indicated the tire you chose had a street tread
> design, look at it again, and see if you can say it's an off road tire
> with a straight face, it's a wimp tire:
> http://www.1010tires.com/tire.asp?ti...l=LTX%AE+M%2FS
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> "L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
>>
>> That's french in lower case.
>> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>
>> Lon Stowell wrote:
>> >
>> > Aha, so not only is the S rating bogus, obviously the
>> > LTX is as well.... how dare those French!!
ratings. Oddly enough, I have heard good things about the
Michelin AT and the Pirelli AT, both of which are available
as S rated LT versions. Somehow the comprehension is more
apprehension at this point.
Approximately 10/4/03 16:32, L.W.(ßill) ------ III uttered for posterity:
> Re read my post this time with comprehension. I didn't say the S
> rating was bogus, I indicated the tire you chose had a street tread
> design, look at it again, and see if you can say it's an off road tire
> with a straight face, it's a wimp tire:
> http://www.1010tires.com/tire.asp?ti...l=LTX%AE+M%2FS
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> "L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
>>
>> That's french in lower case.
>> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>
>> Lon Stowell wrote:
>> >
>> > Aha, so not only is the S rating bogus, obviously the
>> > LTX is as well.... how dare those French!!
10-04-2003, 07:54 PM
#159
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Re: Out of 4wd Hard
Ahhh, the light dawns. *Real* offroad tires don't have speed
ratings. Oddly enough, I have heard good things about the
Michelin AT and the Pirelli AT, both of which are available
as S rated LT versions. Somehow the comprehension is more
apprehension at this point.
Approximately 10/4/03 16:32, L.W.(ßill) ------ III uttered for posterity:
> Re read my post this time with comprehension. I didn't say the S
> rating was bogus, I indicated the tire you chose had a street tread
> design, look at it again, and see if you can say it's an off road tire
> with a straight face, it's a wimp tire:
> http://www.1010tires.com/tire.asp?ti...l=LTX%AE+M%2FS
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> "L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
>>
>> That's french in lower case.
>> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>
>> Lon Stowell wrote:
>> >
>> > Aha, so not only is the S rating bogus, obviously the
>> > LTX is as well.... how dare those French!!
ratings. Oddly enough, I have heard good things about the
Michelin AT and the Pirelli AT, both of which are available
as S rated LT versions. Somehow the comprehension is more
apprehension at this point.
Approximately 10/4/03 16:32, L.W.(ßill) ------ III uttered for posterity:
> Re read my post this time with comprehension. I didn't say the S
> rating was bogus, I indicated the tire you chose had a street tread
> design, look at it again, and see if you can say it's an off road tire
> with a straight face, it's a wimp tire:
> http://www.1010tires.com/tire.asp?ti...l=LTX%AE+M%2FS
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> "L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:
>>
>> That's french in lower case.
>> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
>> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>
>> Lon Stowell wrote:
>> >
>> > Aha, so not only is the S rating bogus, obviously the
>> > LTX is as well.... how dare those French!!
10-04-2003, 09:31 PM
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Re: Out of 4wd Hard
Bill,
I think your reasoning is relative to your location.
When I lived in San Diego for a year the first rainfall (there was 3
rainstorms in that year) I saw the freeways slowdown to a crawl. Folks
were driving like folks do in the northeast and canada in the most
blinding blizzards (White outs, No visibility).
I was silly enough to assume I could drive faster then everyone else,
after all, it was only rain. I found myself sliding sideways at 60 MPH
in a vega wagon!
The freeways evidently don't get the mother nature car wash enough to
keep the oil and grime off the roads. They truly are slippery when wet!
That said when it snows up here in New England it's very common to see
folks doing 50-60 mph. Some are stupid SUV's thinking their invincible
with no clue or care of how fast they cannot stop and what the other guy
can and cannot do.
I will drive those speeds if there's no traffic around with my AWD
vehicles but not my Wrangler. With it's short wheelbase (not wheel base)
it too easily comes around when one side encounters more resistance
(snow or slush) than the other. Some folks counter well but I've seen
many brave wranglers in snow banks or worse, guard rails, because of the
simple laws of physics.
Speed and lack of traction (both driving and braking) deserve respect
anywhere. Add to that, lack of visibility, stupid 4x4 soccer moms (and
Dads) and it's directly proportional to the danger.
I do believe there are many times when 60 MPH in 4 wheel drive is
totally feasible and necessary in some areas of the country with all due
respect to the factors I mentioned above.
Cheers!
Perry
87YJ 36X12.5 MT Baja's
L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
> If I need four wheel drive, I won't be driving sixty miles an hour!
> Of course, I've never had an accident, on road.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
>
>>Wet pavement is iffy for 4x4. Some of it is slick, some is sticky.
>>
>>If it is really pissing down and you are on greasy city streets, then...
>>
>>Otherwise, yes, 4 high is for normal speeds on slick roads and I have no
>>issues driving over 60 mph in 4 high on both of my Jeeps.
>>
>>Mike
>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
I think your reasoning is relative to your location.
When I lived in San Diego for a year the first rainfall (there was 3
rainstorms in that year) I saw the freeways slowdown to a crawl. Folks
were driving like folks do in the northeast and canada in the most
blinding blizzards (White outs, No visibility).
I was silly enough to assume I could drive faster then everyone else,
after all, it was only rain. I found myself sliding sideways at 60 MPH
in a vega wagon!
The freeways evidently don't get the mother nature car wash enough to
keep the oil and grime off the roads. They truly are slippery when wet!
That said when it snows up here in New England it's very common to see
folks doing 50-60 mph. Some are stupid SUV's thinking their invincible
with no clue or care of how fast they cannot stop and what the other guy
can and cannot do.
I will drive those speeds if there's no traffic around with my AWD
vehicles but not my Wrangler. With it's short wheelbase (not wheel base)
it too easily comes around when one side encounters more resistance
(snow or slush) than the other. Some folks counter well but I've seen
many brave wranglers in snow banks or worse, guard rails, because of the
simple laws of physics.
Speed and lack of traction (both driving and braking) deserve respect
anywhere. Add to that, lack of visibility, stupid 4x4 soccer moms (and
Dads) and it's directly proportional to the danger.
I do believe there are many times when 60 MPH in 4 wheel drive is
totally feasible and necessary in some areas of the country with all due
respect to the factors I mentioned above.
Cheers!
Perry
87YJ 36X12.5 MT Baja's
L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
> If I need four wheel drive, I won't be driving sixty miles an hour!
> Of course, I've never had an accident, on road.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
>
>>Wet pavement is iffy for 4x4. Some of it is slick, some is sticky.
>>
>>If it is really pissing down and you are on greasy city streets, then...
>>
>>Otherwise, yes, 4 high is for normal speeds on slick roads and I have no
>>issues driving over 60 mph in 4 high on both of my Jeeps.
>>
>>Mike
>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>