OT, Is there any sanity in....
08-12-2006, 11:05 AM
#31
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Re: OT, Is there any sanity in....
Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in
news:44DC849C.3BEBC682@sympatico.ca:
> Up here in Canada we just call it the extortion test. If you
> fail, you can pay them money for a pass. The money is supposed to
> go towards emission repairs, but once you have spent the money,
> you don't need to 'pass', you get a conditional one. On the
> condition you pay the extortion fee.
It's not extortion here, you pass or junk the car. If the car can't be
repaired to pass emissions, you can get a waiver for one year and one
year only, then the car can never again be registered in this state nor
can it be sold w/o disclosure.
Since the emission test stations do not do repairs, the system is
fairly honest except for deluding the public that pollution is actually
being reduced which isn't happening as far as anyone can tell.
news:44DC849C.3BEBC682@sympatico.ca:
> Up here in Canada we just call it the extortion test. If you
> fail, you can pay them money for a pass. The money is supposed to
> go towards emission repairs, but once you have spent the money,
> you don't need to 'pass', you get a conditional one. On the
> condition you pay the extortion fee.
It's not extortion here, you pass or junk the car. If the car can't be
repaired to pass emissions, you can get a waiver for one year and one
year only, then the car can never again be registered in this state nor
can it be sold w/o disclosure.
Since the emission test stations do not do repairs, the system is
fairly honest except for deluding the public that pollution is actually
being reduced which isn't happening as far as anyone can tell.
08-12-2006, 11:05 AM
#32
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Re: OT, Is there any sanity in....
Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in
news:44DC849C.3BEBC682@sympatico.ca:
> Up here in Canada we just call it the extortion test. If you
> fail, you can pay them money for a pass. The money is supposed to
> go towards emission repairs, but once you have spent the money,
> you don't need to 'pass', you get a conditional one. On the
> condition you pay the extortion fee.
It's not extortion here, you pass or junk the car. If the car can't be
repaired to pass emissions, you can get a waiver for one year and one
year only, then the car can never again be registered in this state nor
can it be sold w/o disclosure.
Since the emission test stations do not do repairs, the system is
fairly honest except for deluding the public that pollution is actually
being reduced which isn't happening as far as anyone can tell.
news:44DC849C.3BEBC682@sympatico.ca:
> Up here in Canada we just call it the extortion test. If you
> fail, you can pay them money for a pass. The money is supposed to
> go towards emission repairs, but once you have spent the money,
> you don't need to 'pass', you get a conditional one. On the
> condition you pay the extortion fee.
It's not extortion here, you pass or junk the car. If the car can't be
repaired to pass emissions, you can get a waiver for one year and one
year only, then the car can never again be registered in this state nor
can it be sold w/o disclosure.
Since the emission test stations do not do repairs, the system is
fairly honest except for deluding the public that pollution is actually
being reduced which isn't happening as far as anyone can tell.
08-12-2006, 11:05 AM
#33
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Re: OT, Is there any sanity in....
Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in
news:44DC849C.3BEBC682@sympatico.ca:
> Up here in Canada we just call it the extortion test. If you
> fail, you can pay them money for a pass. The money is supposed to
> go towards emission repairs, but once you have spent the money,
> you don't need to 'pass', you get a conditional one. On the
> condition you pay the extortion fee.
It's not extortion here, you pass or junk the car. If the car can't be
repaired to pass emissions, you can get a waiver for one year and one
year only, then the car can never again be registered in this state nor
can it be sold w/o disclosure.
Since the emission test stations do not do repairs, the system is
fairly honest except for deluding the public that pollution is actually
being reduced which isn't happening as far as anyone can tell.
news:44DC849C.3BEBC682@sympatico.ca:
> Up here in Canada we just call it the extortion test. If you
> fail, you can pay them money for a pass. The money is supposed to
> go towards emission repairs, but once you have spent the money,
> you don't need to 'pass', you get a conditional one. On the
> condition you pay the extortion fee.
It's not extortion here, you pass or junk the car. If the car can't be
repaired to pass emissions, you can get a waiver for one year and one
year only, then the car can never again be registered in this state nor
can it be sold w/o disclosure.
Since the emission test stations do not do repairs, the system is
fairly honest except for deluding the public that pollution is actually
being reduced which isn't happening as far as anyone can tell.
08-12-2006, 01:01 PM
#34
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Re: OT, Is there any sanity in....
XS11E proclaimed:
> ...government programs?
Of course not, why do you ask?
>
> I took my Jeep in for it's annual emission test and it failed because
> the gas cap wouldn't hold pressure. I got a new cap at Auto Zone
> (closest place) for $6.00 and went back for a retest.
Hmmm, lucky before I had my last smog, the parts guy at my dealer warned
me that stations were checking this more closely in Kalifornia lately,
so picked up a new cap. For grins, asked the tester to check both old
and new cap, and sure enough the old one would not pass.
I suspect a plot by the cap makers myself.
>
> It passed, all they did was put the cap on the tester and I was done
> but.....
>
> 1. The State of Arizona says if the cap fails a full retest MUST be
> done because the leaky cap can upset other emission components. That's
> not true and it's nice to know the emissions folks apparently realize
> that so they didn't spend the time, money and man hours retesting me,
> but......
Sadly, they could lose their tester status for this if you happened to
have been an auditor.
>
> 2. How much gasoline vapor could the cap have leaked into the
> atmosphere? The leak was very tiny, I blew into the cap and couldn't
> detect any leakage the first try, then I tried really hard and did find
> a small amount but I was applying more pressure than was likely to ever
> build up in the tank and......
Dunno, suspect the total amount over the lifetime of your vehicle is
about the same as given off by one of Ronnie Raygun's infamous pine
needles.
>
> 3. How much emissions went into the air from my Jeep idling during the
> 15 minute wait, running during the test, driving home, driving to Auto
> Zone, driving to the emissions place, waiting 30 minutes in line and
> idling for 10 minutes while they decided not to do the full test and
> then driving home again to say nothing of all the times the gas cap was
> removed and replaced?
Tsk tsk tsk, you are attempting to apply logic to a government
bureaucracy. Think how much more fun you will have if the greenies get
into office.
>
> Somehow I can't believe the emission testing system is really helping
> to clear the air but I'm sure it's a cash cow for the company doing the
> testing.
The folks who make the equipment appear to be doing well. Not entirely
sure the stations themselves are. Know a couple who have decided to
stop testing due to the ridiculous way the testing can drive up their
costs without re-imbursement.
> ...government programs?
Of course not, why do you ask?
>
> I took my Jeep in for it's annual emission test and it failed because
> the gas cap wouldn't hold pressure. I got a new cap at Auto Zone
> (closest place) for $6.00 and went back for a retest.
Hmmm, lucky before I had my last smog, the parts guy at my dealer warned
me that stations were checking this more closely in Kalifornia lately,
so picked up a new cap. For grins, asked the tester to check both old
and new cap, and sure enough the old one would not pass.
I suspect a plot by the cap makers myself.
>
> It passed, all they did was put the cap on the tester and I was done
> but.....
>
> 1. The State of Arizona says if the cap fails a full retest MUST be
> done because the leaky cap can upset other emission components. That's
> not true and it's nice to know the emissions folks apparently realize
> that so they didn't spend the time, money and man hours retesting me,
> but......
Sadly, they could lose their tester status for this if you happened to
have been an auditor.
>
> 2. How much gasoline vapor could the cap have leaked into the
> atmosphere? The leak was very tiny, I blew into the cap and couldn't
> detect any leakage the first try, then I tried really hard and did find
> a small amount but I was applying more pressure than was likely to ever
> build up in the tank and......
Dunno, suspect the total amount over the lifetime of your vehicle is
about the same as given off by one of Ronnie Raygun's infamous pine
needles.
>
> 3. How much emissions went into the air from my Jeep idling during the
> 15 minute wait, running during the test, driving home, driving to Auto
> Zone, driving to the emissions place, waiting 30 minutes in line and
> idling for 10 minutes while they decided not to do the full test and
> then driving home again to say nothing of all the times the gas cap was
> removed and replaced?
Tsk tsk tsk, you are attempting to apply logic to a government
bureaucracy. Think how much more fun you will have if the greenies get
into office.
>
> Somehow I can't believe the emission testing system is really helping
> to clear the air but I'm sure it's a cash cow for the company doing the
> testing.
The folks who make the equipment appear to be doing well. Not entirely
sure the stations themselves are. Know a couple who have decided to
stop testing due to the ridiculous way the testing can drive up their
costs without re-imbursement.
08-12-2006, 01:01 PM
#35
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Re: OT, Is there any sanity in....
XS11E proclaimed:
> ...government programs?
Of course not, why do you ask?
>
> I took my Jeep in for it's annual emission test and it failed because
> the gas cap wouldn't hold pressure. I got a new cap at Auto Zone
> (closest place) for $6.00 and went back for a retest.
Hmmm, lucky before I had my last smog, the parts guy at my dealer warned
me that stations were checking this more closely in Kalifornia lately,
so picked up a new cap. For grins, asked the tester to check both old
and new cap, and sure enough the old one would not pass.
I suspect a plot by the cap makers myself.
>
> It passed, all they did was put the cap on the tester and I was done
> but.....
>
> 1. The State of Arizona says if the cap fails a full retest MUST be
> done because the leaky cap can upset other emission components. That's
> not true and it's nice to know the emissions folks apparently realize
> that so they didn't spend the time, money and man hours retesting me,
> but......
Sadly, they could lose their tester status for this if you happened to
have been an auditor.
>
> 2. How much gasoline vapor could the cap have leaked into the
> atmosphere? The leak was very tiny, I blew into the cap and couldn't
> detect any leakage the first try, then I tried really hard and did find
> a small amount but I was applying more pressure than was likely to ever
> build up in the tank and......
Dunno, suspect the total amount over the lifetime of your vehicle is
about the same as given off by one of Ronnie Raygun's infamous pine
needles.
>
> 3. How much emissions went into the air from my Jeep idling during the
> 15 minute wait, running during the test, driving home, driving to Auto
> Zone, driving to the emissions place, waiting 30 minutes in line and
> idling for 10 minutes while they decided not to do the full test and
> then driving home again to say nothing of all the times the gas cap was
> removed and replaced?
Tsk tsk tsk, you are attempting to apply logic to a government
bureaucracy. Think how much more fun you will have if the greenies get
into office.
>
> Somehow I can't believe the emission testing system is really helping
> to clear the air but I'm sure it's a cash cow for the company doing the
> testing.
The folks who make the equipment appear to be doing well. Not entirely
sure the stations themselves are. Know a couple who have decided to
stop testing due to the ridiculous way the testing can drive up their
costs without re-imbursement.
> ...government programs?
Of course not, why do you ask?
>
> I took my Jeep in for it's annual emission test and it failed because
> the gas cap wouldn't hold pressure. I got a new cap at Auto Zone
> (closest place) for $6.00 and went back for a retest.
Hmmm, lucky before I had my last smog, the parts guy at my dealer warned
me that stations were checking this more closely in Kalifornia lately,
so picked up a new cap. For grins, asked the tester to check both old
and new cap, and sure enough the old one would not pass.
I suspect a plot by the cap makers myself.
>
> It passed, all they did was put the cap on the tester and I was done
> but.....
>
> 1. The State of Arizona says if the cap fails a full retest MUST be
> done because the leaky cap can upset other emission components. That's
> not true and it's nice to know the emissions folks apparently realize
> that so they didn't spend the time, money and man hours retesting me,
> but......
Sadly, they could lose their tester status for this if you happened to
have been an auditor.
>
> 2. How much gasoline vapor could the cap have leaked into the
> atmosphere? The leak was very tiny, I blew into the cap and couldn't
> detect any leakage the first try, then I tried really hard and did find
> a small amount but I was applying more pressure than was likely to ever
> build up in the tank and......
Dunno, suspect the total amount over the lifetime of your vehicle is
about the same as given off by one of Ronnie Raygun's infamous pine
needles.
>
> 3. How much emissions went into the air from my Jeep idling during the
> 15 minute wait, running during the test, driving home, driving to Auto
> Zone, driving to the emissions place, waiting 30 minutes in line and
> idling for 10 minutes while they decided not to do the full test and
> then driving home again to say nothing of all the times the gas cap was
> removed and replaced?
Tsk tsk tsk, you are attempting to apply logic to a government
bureaucracy. Think how much more fun you will have if the greenies get
into office.
>
> Somehow I can't believe the emission testing system is really helping
> to clear the air but I'm sure it's a cash cow for the company doing the
> testing.
The folks who make the equipment appear to be doing well. Not entirely
sure the stations themselves are. Know a couple who have decided to
stop testing due to the ridiculous way the testing can drive up their
costs without re-imbursement.
08-12-2006, 01:01 PM
#36
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Re: OT, Is there any sanity in....
XS11E proclaimed:
> ...government programs?
Of course not, why do you ask?
>
> I took my Jeep in for it's annual emission test and it failed because
> the gas cap wouldn't hold pressure. I got a new cap at Auto Zone
> (closest place) for $6.00 and went back for a retest.
Hmmm, lucky before I had my last smog, the parts guy at my dealer warned
me that stations were checking this more closely in Kalifornia lately,
so picked up a new cap. For grins, asked the tester to check both old
and new cap, and sure enough the old one would not pass.
I suspect a plot by the cap makers myself.
>
> It passed, all they did was put the cap on the tester and I was done
> but.....
>
> 1. The State of Arizona says if the cap fails a full retest MUST be
> done because the leaky cap can upset other emission components. That's
> not true and it's nice to know the emissions folks apparently realize
> that so they didn't spend the time, money and man hours retesting me,
> but......
Sadly, they could lose their tester status for this if you happened to
have been an auditor.
>
> 2. How much gasoline vapor could the cap have leaked into the
> atmosphere? The leak was very tiny, I blew into the cap and couldn't
> detect any leakage the first try, then I tried really hard and did find
> a small amount but I was applying more pressure than was likely to ever
> build up in the tank and......
Dunno, suspect the total amount over the lifetime of your vehicle is
about the same as given off by one of Ronnie Raygun's infamous pine
needles.
>
> 3. How much emissions went into the air from my Jeep idling during the
> 15 minute wait, running during the test, driving home, driving to Auto
> Zone, driving to the emissions place, waiting 30 minutes in line and
> idling for 10 minutes while they decided not to do the full test and
> then driving home again to say nothing of all the times the gas cap was
> removed and replaced?
Tsk tsk tsk, you are attempting to apply logic to a government
bureaucracy. Think how much more fun you will have if the greenies get
into office.
>
> Somehow I can't believe the emission testing system is really helping
> to clear the air but I'm sure it's a cash cow for the company doing the
> testing.
The folks who make the equipment appear to be doing well. Not entirely
sure the stations themselves are. Know a couple who have decided to
stop testing due to the ridiculous way the testing can drive up their
costs without re-imbursement.
> ...government programs?
Of course not, why do you ask?
>
> I took my Jeep in for it's annual emission test and it failed because
> the gas cap wouldn't hold pressure. I got a new cap at Auto Zone
> (closest place) for $6.00 and went back for a retest.
Hmmm, lucky before I had my last smog, the parts guy at my dealer warned
me that stations were checking this more closely in Kalifornia lately,
so picked up a new cap. For grins, asked the tester to check both old
and new cap, and sure enough the old one would not pass.
I suspect a plot by the cap makers myself.
>
> It passed, all they did was put the cap on the tester and I was done
> but.....
>
> 1. The State of Arizona says if the cap fails a full retest MUST be
> done because the leaky cap can upset other emission components. That's
> not true and it's nice to know the emissions folks apparently realize
> that so they didn't spend the time, money and man hours retesting me,
> but......
Sadly, they could lose their tester status for this if you happened to
have been an auditor.
>
> 2. How much gasoline vapor could the cap have leaked into the
> atmosphere? The leak was very tiny, I blew into the cap and couldn't
> detect any leakage the first try, then I tried really hard and did find
> a small amount but I was applying more pressure than was likely to ever
> build up in the tank and......
Dunno, suspect the total amount over the lifetime of your vehicle is
about the same as given off by one of Ronnie Raygun's infamous pine
needles.
>
> 3. How much emissions went into the air from my Jeep idling during the
> 15 minute wait, running during the test, driving home, driving to Auto
> Zone, driving to the emissions place, waiting 30 minutes in line and
> idling for 10 minutes while they decided not to do the full test and
> then driving home again to say nothing of all the times the gas cap was
> removed and replaced?
Tsk tsk tsk, you are attempting to apply logic to a government
bureaucracy. Think how much more fun you will have if the greenies get
into office.
>
> Somehow I can't believe the emission testing system is really helping
> to clear the air but I'm sure it's a cash cow for the company doing the
> testing.
The folks who make the equipment appear to be doing well. Not entirely
sure the stations themselves are. Know a couple who have decided to
stop testing due to the ridiculous way the testing can drive up their
costs without re-imbursement.
08-12-2006, 01:01 PM
#37
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Re: OT, Is there any sanity in....
XS11E proclaimed:
> ...government programs?
Of course not, why do you ask?
>
> I took my Jeep in for it's annual emission test and it failed because
> the gas cap wouldn't hold pressure. I got a new cap at Auto Zone
> (closest place) for $6.00 and went back for a retest.
Hmmm, lucky before I had my last smog, the parts guy at my dealer warned
me that stations were checking this more closely in Kalifornia lately,
so picked up a new cap. For grins, asked the tester to check both old
and new cap, and sure enough the old one would not pass.
I suspect a plot by the cap makers myself.
>
> It passed, all they did was put the cap on the tester and I was done
> but.....
>
> 1. The State of Arizona says if the cap fails a full retest MUST be
> done because the leaky cap can upset other emission components. That's
> not true and it's nice to know the emissions folks apparently realize
> that so they didn't spend the time, money and man hours retesting me,
> but......
Sadly, they could lose their tester status for this if you happened to
have been an auditor.
>
> 2. How much gasoline vapor could the cap have leaked into the
> atmosphere? The leak was very tiny, I blew into the cap and couldn't
> detect any leakage the first try, then I tried really hard and did find
> a small amount but I was applying more pressure than was likely to ever
> build up in the tank and......
Dunno, suspect the total amount over the lifetime of your vehicle is
about the same as given off by one of Ronnie Raygun's infamous pine
needles.
>
> 3. How much emissions went into the air from my Jeep idling during the
> 15 minute wait, running during the test, driving home, driving to Auto
> Zone, driving to the emissions place, waiting 30 minutes in line and
> idling for 10 minutes while they decided not to do the full test and
> then driving home again to say nothing of all the times the gas cap was
> removed and replaced?
Tsk tsk tsk, you are attempting to apply logic to a government
bureaucracy. Think how much more fun you will have if the greenies get
into office.
>
> Somehow I can't believe the emission testing system is really helping
> to clear the air but I'm sure it's a cash cow for the company doing the
> testing.
The folks who make the equipment appear to be doing well. Not entirely
sure the stations themselves are. Know a couple who have decided to
stop testing due to the ridiculous way the testing can drive up their
costs without re-imbursement.
> ...government programs?
Of course not, why do you ask?
>
> I took my Jeep in for it's annual emission test and it failed because
> the gas cap wouldn't hold pressure. I got a new cap at Auto Zone
> (closest place) for $6.00 and went back for a retest.
Hmmm, lucky before I had my last smog, the parts guy at my dealer warned
me that stations were checking this more closely in Kalifornia lately,
so picked up a new cap. For grins, asked the tester to check both old
and new cap, and sure enough the old one would not pass.
I suspect a plot by the cap makers myself.
>
> It passed, all they did was put the cap on the tester and I was done
> but.....
>
> 1. The State of Arizona says if the cap fails a full retest MUST be
> done because the leaky cap can upset other emission components. That's
> not true and it's nice to know the emissions folks apparently realize
> that so they didn't spend the time, money and man hours retesting me,
> but......
Sadly, they could lose their tester status for this if you happened to
have been an auditor.
>
> 2. How much gasoline vapor could the cap have leaked into the
> atmosphere? The leak was very tiny, I blew into the cap and couldn't
> detect any leakage the first try, then I tried really hard and did find
> a small amount but I was applying more pressure than was likely to ever
> build up in the tank and......
Dunno, suspect the total amount over the lifetime of your vehicle is
about the same as given off by one of Ronnie Raygun's infamous pine
needles.
>
> 3. How much emissions went into the air from my Jeep idling during the
> 15 minute wait, running during the test, driving home, driving to Auto
> Zone, driving to the emissions place, waiting 30 minutes in line and
> idling for 10 minutes while they decided not to do the full test and
> then driving home again to say nothing of all the times the gas cap was
> removed and replaced?
Tsk tsk tsk, you are attempting to apply logic to a government
bureaucracy. Think how much more fun you will have if the greenies get
into office.
>
> Somehow I can't believe the emission testing system is really helping
> to clear the air but I'm sure it's a cash cow for the company doing the
> testing.
The folks who make the equipment appear to be doing well. Not entirely
sure the stations themselves are. Know a couple who have decided to
stop testing due to the ridiculous way the testing can drive up their
costs without re-imbursement.
08-12-2006, 07:52 PM
#38
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Re: OT, Is there any sanity in....
Lon <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in
news:i4SdnUypKv8VlEPZnZ2dnUVZ_vSdnZ2d@comcast.com:
> XS11E proclaimed:
>> Somehow I can't believe the emission testing system is really
>> helping to clear the air but I'm sure it's a cash cow for the
>> company doing the testing.
>
> The folks who make the equipment appear to be doing well. Not
> entirely sure the stations themselves are. Know a couple who have
> decided to stop testing due to the ridiculous way the testing can
> drive up their costs without re-imbursement.
In California you allow shops to test, here the state contracts to a
company who builds, equips and runs all the stations. They get most if
not all of the fee and are not allowed to repair or recommend. It
seems to be pretty darn profitable but they don't care if you pass or
fail, they don't do the repairs and the retest is free so failing does
nothing for them. In California it's profitable for the shop to find a
failure or make one up...
I'm surprised the public allows independent shops to test in California
but there doesn't seem to be much protesting. Here, we had independent
shops do safety inspections years back. After thousands of complaints,
undercover investigations by the local newspaper, etc. the program was
dropped and you can bet independent shops were never even considered
when the emission program was started!
news:i4SdnUypKv8VlEPZnZ2dnUVZ_vSdnZ2d@comcast.com:
> XS11E proclaimed:
>> Somehow I can't believe the emission testing system is really
>> helping to clear the air but I'm sure it's a cash cow for the
>> company doing the testing.
>
> The folks who make the equipment appear to be doing well. Not
> entirely sure the stations themselves are. Know a couple who have
> decided to stop testing due to the ridiculous way the testing can
> drive up their costs without re-imbursement.
In California you allow shops to test, here the state contracts to a
company who builds, equips and runs all the stations. They get most if
not all of the fee and are not allowed to repair or recommend. It
seems to be pretty darn profitable but they don't care if you pass or
fail, they don't do the repairs and the retest is free so failing does
nothing for them. In California it's profitable for the shop to find a
failure or make one up...
I'm surprised the public allows independent shops to test in California
but there doesn't seem to be much protesting. Here, we had independent
shops do safety inspections years back. After thousands of complaints,
undercover investigations by the local newspaper, etc. the program was
dropped and you can bet independent shops were never even considered
when the emission program was started!
08-12-2006, 07:52 PM
#39
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Re: OT, Is there any sanity in....
Lon <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in
news:i4SdnUypKv8VlEPZnZ2dnUVZ_vSdnZ2d@comcast.com:
> XS11E proclaimed:
>> Somehow I can't believe the emission testing system is really
>> helping to clear the air but I'm sure it's a cash cow for the
>> company doing the testing.
>
> The folks who make the equipment appear to be doing well. Not
> entirely sure the stations themselves are. Know a couple who have
> decided to stop testing due to the ridiculous way the testing can
> drive up their costs without re-imbursement.
In California you allow shops to test, here the state contracts to a
company who builds, equips and runs all the stations. They get most if
not all of the fee and are not allowed to repair or recommend. It
seems to be pretty darn profitable but they don't care if you pass or
fail, they don't do the repairs and the retest is free so failing does
nothing for them. In California it's profitable for the shop to find a
failure or make one up...
I'm surprised the public allows independent shops to test in California
but there doesn't seem to be much protesting. Here, we had independent
shops do safety inspections years back. After thousands of complaints,
undercover investigations by the local newspaper, etc. the program was
dropped and you can bet independent shops were never even considered
when the emission program was started!
news:i4SdnUypKv8VlEPZnZ2dnUVZ_vSdnZ2d@comcast.com:
> XS11E proclaimed:
>> Somehow I can't believe the emission testing system is really
>> helping to clear the air but I'm sure it's a cash cow for the
>> company doing the testing.
>
> The folks who make the equipment appear to be doing well. Not
> entirely sure the stations themselves are. Know a couple who have
> decided to stop testing due to the ridiculous way the testing can
> drive up their costs without re-imbursement.
In California you allow shops to test, here the state contracts to a
company who builds, equips and runs all the stations. They get most if
not all of the fee and are not allowed to repair or recommend. It
seems to be pretty darn profitable but they don't care if you pass or
fail, they don't do the repairs and the retest is free so failing does
nothing for them. In California it's profitable for the shop to find a
failure or make one up...
I'm surprised the public allows independent shops to test in California
but there doesn't seem to be much protesting. Here, we had independent
shops do safety inspections years back. After thousands of complaints,
undercover investigations by the local newspaper, etc. the program was
dropped and you can bet independent shops were never even considered
when the emission program was started!
08-12-2006, 07:52 PM
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Re: OT, Is there any sanity in....
Lon <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in
news:i4SdnUypKv8VlEPZnZ2dnUVZ_vSdnZ2d@comcast.com:
> XS11E proclaimed:
>> Somehow I can't believe the emission testing system is really
>> helping to clear the air but I'm sure it's a cash cow for the
>> company doing the testing.
>
> The folks who make the equipment appear to be doing well. Not
> entirely sure the stations themselves are. Know a couple who have
> decided to stop testing due to the ridiculous way the testing can
> drive up their costs without re-imbursement.
In California you allow shops to test, here the state contracts to a
company who builds, equips and runs all the stations. They get most if
not all of the fee and are not allowed to repair or recommend. It
seems to be pretty darn profitable but they don't care if you pass or
fail, they don't do the repairs and the retest is free so failing does
nothing for them. In California it's profitable for the shop to find a
failure or make one up...
I'm surprised the public allows independent shops to test in California
but there doesn't seem to be much protesting. Here, we had independent
shops do safety inspections years back. After thousands of complaints,
undercover investigations by the local newspaper, etc. the program was
dropped and you can bet independent shops were never even considered
when the emission program was started!
news:i4SdnUypKv8VlEPZnZ2dnUVZ_vSdnZ2d@comcast.com:
> XS11E proclaimed:
>> Somehow I can't believe the emission testing system is really
>> helping to clear the air but I'm sure it's a cash cow for the
>> company doing the testing.
>
> The folks who make the equipment appear to be doing well. Not
> entirely sure the stations themselves are. Know a couple who have
> decided to stop testing due to the ridiculous way the testing can
> drive up their costs without re-imbursement.
In California you allow shops to test, here the state contracts to a
company who builds, equips and runs all the stations. They get most if
not all of the fee and are not allowed to repair or recommend. It
seems to be pretty darn profitable but they don't care if you pass or
fail, they don't do the repairs and the retest is free so failing does
nothing for them. In California it's profitable for the shop to find a
failure or make one up...
I'm surprised the public allows independent shops to test in California
but there doesn't seem to be much protesting. Here, we had independent
shops do safety inspections years back. After thousands of complaints,
undercover investigations by the local newspaper, etc. the program was
dropped and you can bet independent shops were never even considered
when the emission program was started!