OT, Is there any sanity in....
 

....government programs?

I took my Jeep in for it's annual emission test and it failed because
the gas cap wouldn't hold pressure. I got a new cap at Auto Zone
(closest place) for $6.00 and went back for a retest.

It passed, all they did was put the cap on the tester and I was done
but.....

1. The State of Arizona says if the cap fails a full retest MUST be
done because the leaky cap can upset other emission components. That's
not true and it's nice to know the emissions folks apparently realize
that so they didn't spend the time, money and man hours retesting me,
but......

2. How much gasoline vapor could the cap have leaked into the
atmosphere? The leak was very tiny, I blew into the cap and couldn't
detect any leakage the first try, then I tried really hard and did find
a small amount but I was applying more pressure than was likely to ever
build up in the tank and......

3. How much emissions went into the air from my Jeep idling during the
15 minute wait, running during the test, driving home, driving to Auto
Zone, driving to the emissions place, waiting 30 minutes in line and
idling for 10 minutes while they decided not to do the full test and
then driving home again to say nothing of all the times the gas cap was
removed and replaced?

Somehow I can't believe the emission testing system is really helping
to clear the air but I'm sure it's a cash cow for the company doing the
testing.

Re: OT, Is there any sanity in....
 

XS11E wrote:
> ...government programs?
>
> I took my Jeep in for it's annual emission test and it failed because
> the gas cap wouldn't hold pressure. I got a new cap at Auto Zone
> (closest place) for $6.00 and went back for a retest.
>
> It passed, all they did was put the cap on the tester and I was done
> but.....
>
> 1. The State of Arizona says if the cap fails a full retest MUST be
> done because the leaky cap can upset other emission components. That's
> not true and it's nice to know the emissions folks apparently realize
> that so they didn't spend the time, money and man hours retesting me,
> but......
>
> 2. How much gasoline vapor could the cap have leaked into the
> atmosphere? The leak was very tiny, I blew into the cap and couldn't
> detect any leakage the first try, then I tried really hard and did find
> a small amount but I was applying more pressure than was likely to ever
> build up in the tank and......
>
> 3. How much emissions went into the air from my Jeep idling during the
> 15 minute wait, running during the test, driving home, driving to Auto
> Zone, driving to the emissions place, waiting 30 minutes in line and
> idling for 10 minutes while they decided not to do the full test and
> then driving home again to say nothing of all the times the gas cap was
> removed and replaced?
>
> Somehow I can't believe the emission testing system is really helping
> to clear the air but I'm sure it's a cash cow for the company doing the
> testing.
>
>
>

Well, in CA they test the cap last, fail you and take your money.
Then charge you again to retest when you return... (although some give
you a discount if retested within a certain length of time)

Better yet, they do a visual inspection first.
Then they run the test...(knowing it's going to fail) and they fail you,
and they take your money.
Because the first thing they looked at during the visual was the heat
riser hose had come off.
You slip it back on and they retest, and take your money again.

(best part is, an an Andrew Jackson will usually get either of the above
resolved during the first test)

Re: OT, Is there any sanity in....
 

XS11E wrote:
> ...government programs?
>
> I took my Jeep in for it's annual emission test and it failed because
> the gas cap wouldn't hold pressure. I got a new cap at Auto Zone
> (closest place) for $6.00 and went back for a retest.
>
> It passed, all they did was put the cap on the tester and I was done
> but.....
>
> 1. The State of Arizona says if the cap fails a full retest MUST be
> done because the leaky cap can upset other emission components. That's
> not true and it's nice to know the emissions folks apparently realize
> that so they didn't spend the time, money and man hours retesting me,
> but......
>
> 2. How much gasoline vapor could the cap have leaked into the
> atmosphere? The leak was very tiny, I blew into the cap and couldn't
> detect any leakage the first try, then I tried really hard and did find
> a small amount but I was applying more pressure than was likely to ever
> build up in the tank and......
>
> 3. How much emissions went into the air from my Jeep idling during the
> 15 minute wait, running during the test, driving home, driving to Auto
> Zone, driving to the emissions place, waiting 30 minutes in line and
> idling for 10 minutes while they decided not to do the full test and
> then driving home again to say nothing of all the times the gas cap was
> removed and replaced?
>
> Somehow I can't believe the emission testing system is really helping
> to clear the air but I'm sure it's a cash cow for the company doing the
> testing.
>
>
>

Well, in CA they test the cap last, fail you and take your money.
Then charge you again to retest when you return... (although some give
you a discount if retested within a certain length of time)

Better yet, they do a visual inspection first.
Then they run the test...(knowing it's going to fail) and they fail you,
and they take your money.
Because the first thing they looked at during the visual was the heat
riser hose had come off.
You slip it back on and they retest, and take your money again.

(best part is, an an Andrew Jackson will usually get either of the above
resolved during the first test)

Re: OT, Is there any sanity in....
 

XS11E wrote:
> ...government programs?
>
> I took my Jeep in for it's annual emission test and it failed because
> the gas cap wouldn't hold pressure. I got a new cap at Auto Zone
> (closest place) for $6.00 and went back for a retest.
>
> It passed, all they did was put the cap on the tester and I was done
> but.....
>
> 1. The State of Arizona says if the cap fails a full retest MUST be
> done because the leaky cap can upset other emission components. That's
> not true and it's nice to know the emissions folks apparently realize
> that so they didn't spend the time, money and man hours retesting me,
> but......
>
> 2. How much gasoline vapor could the cap have leaked into the
> atmosphere? The leak was very tiny, I blew into the cap and couldn't
> detect any leakage the first try, then I tried really hard and did find
> a small amount but I was applying more pressure than was likely to ever
> build up in the tank and......
>
> 3. How much emissions went into the air from my Jeep idling during the
> 15 minute wait, running during the test, driving home, driving to Auto
> Zone, driving to the emissions place, waiting 30 minutes in line and
> idling for 10 minutes while they decided not to do the full test and
> then driving home again to say nothing of all the times the gas cap was
> removed and replaced?
>
> Somehow I can't believe the emission testing system is really helping
> to clear the air but I'm sure it's a cash cow for the company doing the
> testing.
>
>
>

Well, in CA they test the cap last, fail you and take your money.
Then charge you again to retest when you return... (although some give
you a discount if retested within a certain length of time)

Better yet, they do a visual inspection first.
Then they run the test...(knowing it's going to fail) and they fail you,
and they take your money.
Because the first thing they looked at during the visual was the heat
riser hose had come off.
You slip it back on and they retest, and take your money again.

(best part is, an an Andrew Jackson will usually get either of the above
resolved during the first test)

Re: OT, Is there any sanity in....
 

XS11E wrote:
> ...government programs?
>
> I took my Jeep in for it's annual emission test and it failed because
> the gas cap wouldn't hold pressure. I got a new cap at Auto Zone
> (closest place) for $6.00 and went back for a retest.
>
> It passed, all they did was put the cap on the tester and I was done
> but.....
>
> 1. The State of Arizona says if the cap fails a full retest MUST be
> done because the leaky cap can upset other emission components. That's
> not true and it's nice to know the emissions folks apparently realize
> that so they didn't spend the time, money and man hours retesting me,
> but......
>
> 2. How much gasoline vapor could the cap have leaked into the
> atmosphere? The leak was very tiny, I blew into the cap and couldn't
> detect any leakage the first try, then I tried really hard and did find
> a small amount but I was applying more pressure than was likely to ever
> build up in the tank and......
>
> 3. How much emissions went into the air from my Jeep idling during the
> 15 minute wait, running during the test, driving home, driving to Auto
> Zone, driving to the emissions place, waiting 30 minutes in line and
> idling for 10 minutes while they decided not to do the full test and
> then driving home again to say nothing of all the times the gas cap was
> removed and replaced?
>
> Somehow I can't believe the emission testing system is really helping
> to clear the air but I'm sure it's a cash cow for the company doing the
> testing.
>
>
>

Well, in CA they test the cap last, fail you and take your money.
Then charge you again to retest when you return... (although some give
you a discount if retested within a certain length of time)

Better yet, they do a visual inspection first.
Then they run the test...(knowing it's going to fail) and they fail you,
and they take your money.
Because the first thing they looked at during the visual was the heat
riser hose had come off.
You slip it back on and they retest, and take your money again.

(best part is, an an Andrew Jackson will usually get either of the above
resolved during the first test)

Re: OT, Is there any sanity in....
 

They did away with the test in Ohio (except the Cleveland area) Pretty much
the only cars that were failing were ones that qualified for existing
exemptions.

You need to get your politicians to stop taking kickbacks from the testing
companies....


"XS11E" <xs11eNO@SPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Xns981BAF3CCDC4Axs11eyahoocom@70.168.83.30...
> ...government programs?
>
> I took my Jeep in for it's annual emission test and it failed because
> the gas cap wouldn't hold pressure. I got a new cap at Auto Zone
> (closest place) for $6.00 and went back for a retest.
>
> It passed, all they did was put the cap on the tester and I was done
> but.....
>
> 1. The State of Arizona says if the cap fails a full retest MUST be
> done because the leaky cap can upset other emission components. That's
> not true and it's nice to know the emissions folks apparently realize
> that so they didn't spend the time, money and man hours retesting me,
> but......
>
> 2. How much gasoline vapor could the cap have leaked into the
> atmosphere? The leak was very tiny, I blew into the cap and couldn't
> detect any leakage the first try, then I tried really hard and did find
> a small amount but I was applying more pressure than was likely to ever
> build up in the tank and......
>
> 3. How much emissions went into the air from my Jeep idling during the
> 15 minute wait, running during the test, driving home, driving to Auto
> Zone, driving to the emissions place, waiting 30 minutes in line and
> idling for 10 minutes while they decided not to do the full test and
> then driving home again to say nothing of all the times the gas cap was
> removed and replaced?
>
> Somehow I can't believe the emission testing system is really helping
> to clear the air but I'm sure it's a cash cow for the company doing the
> testing.
>
>
>

Re: OT, Is there any sanity in....
 

They did away with the test in Ohio (except the Cleveland area) Pretty much
the only cars that were failing were ones that qualified for existing
exemptions.

You need to get your politicians to stop taking kickbacks from the testing
companies....


"XS11E" <xs11eNO@SPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Xns981BAF3CCDC4Axs11eyahoocom@70.168.83.30...
> ...government programs?
>
> I took my Jeep in for it's annual emission test and it failed because
> the gas cap wouldn't hold pressure. I got a new cap at Auto Zone
> (closest place) for $6.00 and went back for a retest.
>
> It passed, all they did was put the cap on the tester and I was done
> but.....
>
> 1. The State of Arizona says if the cap fails a full retest MUST be
> done because the leaky cap can upset other emission components. That's
> not true and it's nice to know the emissions folks apparently realize
> that so they didn't spend the time, money and man hours retesting me,
> but......
>
> 2. How much gasoline vapor could the cap have leaked into the
> atmosphere? The leak was very tiny, I blew into the cap and couldn't
> detect any leakage the first try, then I tried really hard and did find
> a small amount but I was applying more pressure than was likely to ever
> build up in the tank and......
>
> 3. How much emissions went into the air from my Jeep idling during the
> 15 minute wait, running during the test, driving home, driving to Auto
> Zone, driving to the emissions place, waiting 30 minutes in line and
> idling for 10 minutes while they decided not to do the full test and
> then driving home again to say nothing of all the times the gas cap was
> removed and replaced?
>
> Somehow I can't believe the emission testing system is really helping
> to clear the air but I'm sure it's a cash cow for the company doing the
> testing.
>
>
>

Re: OT, Is there any sanity in....
 

They did away with the test in Ohio (except the Cleveland area) Pretty much
the only cars that were failing were ones that qualified for existing
exemptions.

You need to get your politicians to stop taking kickbacks from the testing
companies....


"XS11E" <xs11eNO@SPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Xns981BAF3CCDC4Axs11eyahoocom@70.168.83.30...
> ...government programs?
>
> I took my Jeep in for it's annual emission test and it failed because
> the gas cap wouldn't hold pressure. I got a new cap at Auto Zone
> (closest place) for $6.00 and went back for a retest.
>
> It passed, all they did was put the cap on the tester and I was done
> but.....
>
> 1. The State of Arizona says if the cap fails a full retest MUST be
> done because the leaky cap can upset other emission components. That's
> not true and it's nice to know the emissions folks apparently realize
> that so they didn't spend the time, money and man hours retesting me,
> but......
>
> 2. How much gasoline vapor could the cap have leaked into the
> atmosphere? The leak was very tiny, I blew into the cap and couldn't
> detect any leakage the first try, then I tried really hard and did find
> a small amount but I was applying more pressure than was likely to ever
> build up in the tank and......
>
> 3. How much emissions went into the air from my Jeep idling during the
> 15 minute wait, running during the test, driving home, driving to Auto
> Zone, driving to the emissions place, waiting 30 minutes in line and
> idling for 10 minutes while they decided not to do the full test and
> then driving home again to say nothing of all the times the gas cap was
> removed and replaced?
>
> Somehow I can't believe the emission testing system is really helping
> to clear the air but I'm sure it's a cash cow for the company doing the
> testing.
>
>
>

Re: OT, Is there any sanity in....
 

They did away with the test in Ohio (except the Cleveland area) Pretty much
the only cars that were failing were ones that qualified for existing
exemptions.

You need to get your politicians to stop taking kickbacks from the testing
companies....


"XS11E" <xs11eNO@SPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Xns981BAF3CCDC4Axs11eyahoocom@70.168.83.30...
> ...government programs?
>
> I took my Jeep in for it's annual emission test and it failed because
> the gas cap wouldn't hold pressure. I got a new cap at Auto Zone
> (closest place) for $6.00 and went back for a retest.
>
> It passed, all they did was put the cap on the tester and I was done
> but.....
>
> 1. The State of Arizona says if the cap fails a full retest MUST be
> done because the leaky cap can upset other emission components. That's
> not true and it's nice to know the emissions folks apparently realize
> that so they didn't spend the time, money and man hours retesting me,
> but......
>
> 2. How much gasoline vapor could the cap have leaked into the
> atmosphere? The leak was very tiny, I blew into the cap and couldn't
> detect any leakage the first try, then I tried really hard and did find
> a small amount but I was applying more pressure than was likely to ever
> build up in the tank and......
>
> 3. How much emissions went into the air from my Jeep idling during the
> 15 minute wait, running during the test, driving home, driving to Auto
> Zone, driving to the emissions place, waiting 30 minutes in line and
> idling for 10 minutes while they decided not to do the full test and
> then driving home again to say nothing of all the times the gas cap was
> removed and replaced?
>
> Somehow I can't believe the emission testing system is really helping
> to clear the air but I'm sure it's a cash cow for the company doing the
> testing.
>
>
>

Re: OT, Is there any sanity in....
 

Another reason to live in the mountains, far from any "Clean Air Program"
area.

Earle

"XS11E" <xs11eNO@SPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Xns981BAF3CCDC4Axs11eyahoocom@70.168.83.30...
> ...government programs?
>
> I took my Jeep in for it's annual emission test and it failed because
> the gas cap wouldn't hold pressure. I got a new cap at Auto Zone
> (closest place) for $6.00 and went back for a retest.
>
> It passed, all they did was put the cap on the tester and I was done
> but.....
>
> 1. The State of Arizona says if the cap fails a full retest MUST be
> done because the leaky cap can upset other emission components. That's
> not true and it's nice to know the emissions folks apparently realize
> that so they didn't spend the time, money and man hours retesting me,
> but......
>
> 2. How much gasoline vapor could the cap have leaked into the
> atmosphere? The leak was very tiny, I blew into the cap and couldn't
> detect any leakage the first try, then I tried really hard and did find
> a small amount but I was applying more pressure than was likely to ever
> build up in the tank and......
>
> 3. How much emissions went into the air from my Jeep idling during the
> 15 minute wait, running during the test, driving home, driving to Auto
> Zone, driving to the emissions place, waiting 30 minutes in line and
> idling for 10 minutes while they decided not to do the full test and
> then driving home again to say nothing of all the times the gas cap was
> removed and replaced?
>
> Somehow I can't believe the emission testing system is really helping
> to clear the air but I'm sure it's a cash cow for the company doing the
> testing.
>
>
>