OT, Is there any sanity in....
#21
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Re: OT, Is there any sanity in....
"billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in
news:6bd19$44dbd3ef$48311eaf$1198@FUSE.NET:
> You need to get your politicians to stop taking kickbacks from the
> testing companies....
Impossible, Arizona has a testing program mandated by the EPA. If we
don't have a program compliant with their rules we get fined bunches of
bucks on a daily bases. Fortunately, it only applies to two counties
here.
news:6bd19$44dbd3ef$48311eaf$1198@FUSE.NET:
> You need to get your politicians to stop taking kickbacks from the
> testing companies....
Impossible, Arizona has a testing program mandated by the EPA. If we
don't have a program compliant with their rules we get fined bunches of
bucks on a daily bases. Fortunately, it only applies to two counties
here.
#22
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Re: OT, Is there any sanity in....
Tell me about it. I live in Kalifornia and failed the visual, the
examiner found an collapsed vacuum hose, finished the test and charged
$56.70, re-tested and gave me a discount for another $44.95:
http://www.----------.com/smog.htm
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
XS11E wrote:
>
> ...government programs?
>
> I took my Jeep in for it's annual emission test and it failed because
> the gas cap wouldn't hold pressure. I got a new cap at Auto Zone
> (closest place) for $6.00 and went back for a retest.
>
> It passed, all they did was put the cap on the tester and I was done
> but.....
>
> 1. The State of Arizona says if the cap fails a full retest MUST be
> done because the leaky cap can upset other emission components. That's
> not true and it's nice to know the emissions folks apparently realize
> that so they didn't spend the time, money and man hours retesting me,
> but......
>
> 2. How much gasoline vapor could the cap have leaked into the
> atmosphere? The leak was very tiny, I blew into the cap and couldn't
> detect any leakage the first try, then I tried really hard and did find
> a small amount but I was applying more pressure than was likely to ever
> build up in the tank and......
>
> 3. How much emissions went into the air from my Jeep idling during the
> 15 minute wait, running during the test, driving home, driving to Auto
> Zone, driving to the emissions place, waiting 30 minutes in line and
> idling for 10 minutes while they decided not to do the full test and
> then driving home again to say nothing of all the times the gas cap was
> removed and replaced?
>
> Somehow I can't believe the emission testing system is really helping
> to clear the air but I'm sure it's a cash cow for the company doing the
> testing.
examiner found an collapsed vacuum hose, finished the test and charged
$56.70, re-tested and gave me a discount for another $44.95:
http://www.----------.com/smog.htm
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
XS11E wrote:
>
> ...government programs?
>
> I took my Jeep in for it's annual emission test and it failed because
> the gas cap wouldn't hold pressure. I got a new cap at Auto Zone
> (closest place) for $6.00 and went back for a retest.
>
> It passed, all they did was put the cap on the tester and I was done
> but.....
>
> 1. The State of Arizona says if the cap fails a full retest MUST be
> done because the leaky cap can upset other emission components. That's
> not true and it's nice to know the emissions folks apparently realize
> that so they didn't spend the time, money and man hours retesting me,
> but......
>
> 2. How much gasoline vapor could the cap have leaked into the
> atmosphere? The leak was very tiny, I blew into the cap and couldn't
> detect any leakage the first try, then I tried really hard and did find
> a small amount but I was applying more pressure than was likely to ever
> build up in the tank and......
>
> 3. How much emissions went into the air from my Jeep idling during the
> 15 minute wait, running during the test, driving home, driving to Auto
> Zone, driving to the emissions place, waiting 30 minutes in line and
> idling for 10 minutes while they decided not to do the full test and
> then driving home again to say nothing of all the times the gas cap was
> removed and replaced?
>
> Somehow I can't believe the emission testing system is really helping
> to clear the air but I'm sure it's a cash cow for the company doing the
> testing.
#23
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Posts: n/a
Re: OT, Is there any sanity in....
Tell me about it. I live in Kalifornia and failed the visual, the
examiner found an collapsed vacuum hose, finished the test and charged
$56.70, re-tested and gave me a discount for another $44.95:
http://www.----------.com/smog.htm
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
XS11E wrote:
>
> ...government programs?
>
> I took my Jeep in for it's annual emission test and it failed because
> the gas cap wouldn't hold pressure. I got a new cap at Auto Zone
> (closest place) for $6.00 and went back for a retest.
>
> It passed, all they did was put the cap on the tester and I was done
> but.....
>
> 1. The State of Arizona says if the cap fails a full retest MUST be
> done because the leaky cap can upset other emission components. That's
> not true and it's nice to know the emissions folks apparently realize
> that so they didn't spend the time, money and man hours retesting me,
> but......
>
> 2. How much gasoline vapor could the cap have leaked into the
> atmosphere? The leak was very tiny, I blew into the cap and couldn't
> detect any leakage the first try, then I tried really hard and did find
> a small amount but I was applying more pressure than was likely to ever
> build up in the tank and......
>
> 3. How much emissions went into the air from my Jeep idling during the
> 15 minute wait, running during the test, driving home, driving to Auto
> Zone, driving to the emissions place, waiting 30 minutes in line and
> idling for 10 minutes while they decided not to do the full test and
> then driving home again to say nothing of all the times the gas cap was
> removed and replaced?
>
> Somehow I can't believe the emission testing system is really helping
> to clear the air but I'm sure it's a cash cow for the company doing the
> testing.
examiner found an collapsed vacuum hose, finished the test and charged
$56.70, re-tested and gave me a discount for another $44.95:
http://www.----------.com/smog.htm
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
XS11E wrote:
>
> ...government programs?
>
> I took my Jeep in for it's annual emission test and it failed because
> the gas cap wouldn't hold pressure. I got a new cap at Auto Zone
> (closest place) for $6.00 and went back for a retest.
>
> It passed, all they did was put the cap on the tester and I was done
> but.....
>
> 1. The State of Arizona says if the cap fails a full retest MUST be
> done because the leaky cap can upset other emission components. That's
> not true and it's nice to know the emissions folks apparently realize
> that so they didn't spend the time, money and man hours retesting me,
> but......
>
> 2. How much gasoline vapor could the cap have leaked into the
> atmosphere? The leak was very tiny, I blew into the cap and couldn't
> detect any leakage the first try, then I tried really hard and did find
> a small amount but I was applying more pressure than was likely to ever
> build up in the tank and......
>
> 3. How much emissions went into the air from my Jeep idling during the
> 15 minute wait, running during the test, driving home, driving to Auto
> Zone, driving to the emissions place, waiting 30 minutes in line and
> idling for 10 minutes while they decided not to do the full test and
> then driving home again to say nothing of all the times the gas cap was
> removed and replaced?
>
> Somehow I can't believe the emission testing system is really helping
> to clear the air but I'm sure it's a cash cow for the company doing the
> testing.
#24
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Re: OT, Is there any sanity in....
Tell me about it. I live in Kalifornia and failed the visual, the
examiner found an collapsed vacuum hose, finished the test and charged
$56.70, re-tested and gave me a discount for another $44.95:
http://www.----------.com/smog.htm
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
XS11E wrote:
>
> ...government programs?
>
> I took my Jeep in for it's annual emission test and it failed because
> the gas cap wouldn't hold pressure. I got a new cap at Auto Zone
> (closest place) for $6.00 and went back for a retest.
>
> It passed, all they did was put the cap on the tester and I was done
> but.....
>
> 1. The State of Arizona says if the cap fails a full retest MUST be
> done because the leaky cap can upset other emission components. That's
> not true and it's nice to know the emissions folks apparently realize
> that so they didn't spend the time, money and man hours retesting me,
> but......
>
> 2. How much gasoline vapor could the cap have leaked into the
> atmosphere? The leak was very tiny, I blew into the cap and couldn't
> detect any leakage the first try, then I tried really hard and did find
> a small amount but I was applying more pressure than was likely to ever
> build up in the tank and......
>
> 3. How much emissions went into the air from my Jeep idling during the
> 15 minute wait, running during the test, driving home, driving to Auto
> Zone, driving to the emissions place, waiting 30 minutes in line and
> idling for 10 minutes while they decided not to do the full test and
> then driving home again to say nothing of all the times the gas cap was
> removed and replaced?
>
> Somehow I can't believe the emission testing system is really helping
> to clear the air but I'm sure it's a cash cow for the company doing the
> testing.
examiner found an collapsed vacuum hose, finished the test and charged
$56.70, re-tested and gave me a discount for another $44.95:
http://www.----------.com/smog.htm
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
XS11E wrote:
>
> ...government programs?
>
> I took my Jeep in for it's annual emission test and it failed because
> the gas cap wouldn't hold pressure. I got a new cap at Auto Zone
> (closest place) for $6.00 and went back for a retest.
>
> It passed, all they did was put the cap on the tester and I was done
> but.....
>
> 1. The State of Arizona says if the cap fails a full retest MUST be
> done because the leaky cap can upset other emission components. That's
> not true and it's nice to know the emissions folks apparently realize
> that so they didn't spend the time, money and man hours retesting me,
> but......
>
> 2. How much gasoline vapor could the cap have leaked into the
> atmosphere? The leak was very tiny, I blew into the cap and couldn't
> detect any leakage the first try, then I tried really hard and did find
> a small amount but I was applying more pressure than was likely to ever
> build up in the tank and......
>
> 3. How much emissions went into the air from my Jeep idling during the
> 15 minute wait, running during the test, driving home, driving to Auto
> Zone, driving to the emissions place, waiting 30 minutes in line and
> idling for 10 minutes while they decided not to do the full test and
> then driving home again to say nothing of all the times the gas cap was
> removed and replaced?
>
> Somehow I can't believe the emission testing system is really helping
> to clear the air but I'm sure it's a cash cow for the company doing the
> testing.
#25
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: OT, Is there any sanity in....
Tell me about it. I live in Kalifornia and failed the visual, the
examiner found an collapsed vacuum hose, finished the test and charged
$56.70, re-tested and gave me a discount for another $44.95:
http://www.----------.com/smog.htm
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
XS11E wrote:
>
> ...government programs?
>
> I took my Jeep in for it's annual emission test and it failed because
> the gas cap wouldn't hold pressure. I got a new cap at Auto Zone
> (closest place) for $6.00 and went back for a retest.
>
> It passed, all they did was put the cap on the tester and I was done
> but.....
>
> 1. The State of Arizona says if the cap fails a full retest MUST be
> done because the leaky cap can upset other emission components. That's
> not true and it's nice to know the emissions folks apparently realize
> that so they didn't spend the time, money and man hours retesting me,
> but......
>
> 2. How much gasoline vapor could the cap have leaked into the
> atmosphere? The leak was very tiny, I blew into the cap and couldn't
> detect any leakage the first try, then I tried really hard and did find
> a small amount but I was applying more pressure than was likely to ever
> build up in the tank and......
>
> 3. How much emissions went into the air from my Jeep idling during the
> 15 minute wait, running during the test, driving home, driving to Auto
> Zone, driving to the emissions place, waiting 30 minutes in line and
> idling for 10 minutes while they decided not to do the full test and
> then driving home again to say nothing of all the times the gas cap was
> removed and replaced?
>
> Somehow I can't believe the emission testing system is really helping
> to clear the air but I'm sure it's a cash cow for the company doing the
> testing.
examiner found an collapsed vacuum hose, finished the test and charged
$56.70, re-tested and gave me a discount for another $44.95:
http://www.----------.com/smog.htm
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
XS11E wrote:
>
> ...government programs?
>
> I took my Jeep in for it's annual emission test and it failed because
> the gas cap wouldn't hold pressure. I got a new cap at Auto Zone
> (closest place) for $6.00 and went back for a retest.
>
> It passed, all they did was put the cap on the tester and I was done
> but.....
>
> 1. The State of Arizona says if the cap fails a full retest MUST be
> done because the leaky cap can upset other emission components. That's
> not true and it's nice to know the emissions folks apparently realize
> that so they didn't spend the time, money and man hours retesting me,
> but......
>
> 2. How much gasoline vapor could the cap have leaked into the
> atmosphere? The leak was very tiny, I blew into the cap and couldn't
> detect any leakage the first try, then I tried really hard and did find
> a small amount but I was applying more pressure than was likely to ever
> build up in the tank and......
>
> 3. How much emissions went into the air from my Jeep idling during the
> 15 minute wait, running during the test, driving home, driving to Auto
> Zone, driving to the emissions place, waiting 30 minutes in line and
> idling for 10 minutes while they decided not to do the full test and
> then driving home again to say nothing of all the times the gas cap was
> removed and replaced?
>
> Somehow I can't believe the emission testing system is really helping
> to clear the air but I'm sure it's a cash cow for the company doing the
> testing.
#26
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Re: OT, Is there any sanity in....
Up here in Canada we just call it the extortion test. If you fail, you
can pay them money for a pass. The money is supposed to go towards
emission repairs, but once you have spent the money, you don't need to
'pass', you get a conditional one. On the condition you pay the
extortion fee.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
XS11E wrote:
>
> ...government programs?
>
> I took my Jeep in for it's annual emission test and it failed because
> the gas cap wouldn't hold pressure. I got a new cap at Auto Zone
> (closest place) for $6.00 and went back for a retest.
>
> It passed, all they did was put the cap on the tester and I was done
> but.....
>
> 1. The State of Arizona says if the cap fails a full retest MUST be
> done because the leaky cap can upset other emission components. That's
> not true and it's nice to know the emissions folks apparently realize
> that so they didn't spend the time, money and man hours retesting me,
> but......
>
> 2. How much gasoline vapor could the cap have leaked into the
> atmosphere? The leak was very tiny, I blew into the cap and couldn't
> detect any leakage the first try, then I tried really hard and did find
> a small amount but I was applying more pressure than was likely to ever
> build up in the tank and......
>
> 3. How much emissions went into the air from my Jeep idling during the
> 15 minute wait, running during the test, driving home, driving to Auto
> Zone, driving to the emissions place, waiting 30 minutes in line and
> idling for 10 minutes while they decided not to do the full test and
> then driving home again to say nothing of all the times the gas cap was
> removed and replaced?
>
> Somehow I can't believe the emission testing system is really helping
> to clear the air but I'm sure it's a cash cow for the company doing the
> testing.
can pay them money for a pass. The money is supposed to go towards
emission repairs, but once you have spent the money, you don't need to
'pass', you get a conditional one. On the condition you pay the
extortion fee.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
XS11E wrote:
>
> ...government programs?
>
> I took my Jeep in for it's annual emission test and it failed because
> the gas cap wouldn't hold pressure. I got a new cap at Auto Zone
> (closest place) for $6.00 and went back for a retest.
>
> It passed, all they did was put the cap on the tester and I was done
> but.....
>
> 1. The State of Arizona says if the cap fails a full retest MUST be
> done because the leaky cap can upset other emission components. That's
> not true and it's nice to know the emissions folks apparently realize
> that so they didn't spend the time, money and man hours retesting me,
> but......
>
> 2. How much gasoline vapor could the cap have leaked into the
> atmosphere? The leak was very tiny, I blew into the cap and couldn't
> detect any leakage the first try, then I tried really hard and did find
> a small amount but I was applying more pressure than was likely to ever
> build up in the tank and......
>
> 3. How much emissions went into the air from my Jeep idling during the
> 15 minute wait, running during the test, driving home, driving to Auto
> Zone, driving to the emissions place, waiting 30 minutes in line and
> idling for 10 minutes while they decided not to do the full test and
> then driving home again to say nothing of all the times the gas cap was
> removed and replaced?
>
> Somehow I can't believe the emission testing system is really helping
> to clear the air but I'm sure it's a cash cow for the company doing the
> testing.
#27
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: OT, Is there any sanity in....
Up here in Canada we just call it the extortion test. If you fail, you
can pay them money for a pass. The money is supposed to go towards
emission repairs, but once you have spent the money, you don't need to
'pass', you get a conditional one. On the condition you pay the
extortion fee.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
XS11E wrote:
>
> ...government programs?
>
> I took my Jeep in for it's annual emission test and it failed because
> the gas cap wouldn't hold pressure. I got a new cap at Auto Zone
> (closest place) for $6.00 and went back for a retest.
>
> It passed, all they did was put the cap on the tester and I was done
> but.....
>
> 1. The State of Arizona says if the cap fails a full retest MUST be
> done because the leaky cap can upset other emission components. That's
> not true and it's nice to know the emissions folks apparently realize
> that so they didn't spend the time, money and man hours retesting me,
> but......
>
> 2. How much gasoline vapor could the cap have leaked into the
> atmosphere? The leak was very tiny, I blew into the cap and couldn't
> detect any leakage the first try, then I tried really hard and did find
> a small amount but I was applying more pressure than was likely to ever
> build up in the tank and......
>
> 3. How much emissions went into the air from my Jeep idling during the
> 15 minute wait, running during the test, driving home, driving to Auto
> Zone, driving to the emissions place, waiting 30 minutes in line and
> idling for 10 minutes while they decided not to do the full test and
> then driving home again to say nothing of all the times the gas cap was
> removed and replaced?
>
> Somehow I can't believe the emission testing system is really helping
> to clear the air but I'm sure it's a cash cow for the company doing the
> testing.
can pay them money for a pass. The money is supposed to go towards
emission repairs, but once you have spent the money, you don't need to
'pass', you get a conditional one. On the condition you pay the
extortion fee.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
XS11E wrote:
>
> ...government programs?
>
> I took my Jeep in for it's annual emission test and it failed because
> the gas cap wouldn't hold pressure. I got a new cap at Auto Zone
> (closest place) for $6.00 and went back for a retest.
>
> It passed, all they did was put the cap on the tester and I was done
> but.....
>
> 1. The State of Arizona says if the cap fails a full retest MUST be
> done because the leaky cap can upset other emission components. That's
> not true and it's nice to know the emissions folks apparently realize
> that so they didn't spend the time, money and man hours retesting me,
> but......
>
> 2. How much gasoline vapor could the cap have leaked into the
> atmosphere? The leak was very tiny, I blew into the cap and couldn't
> detect any leakage the first try, then I tried really hard and did find
> a small amount but I was applying more pressure than was likely to ever
> build up in the tank and......
>
> 3. How much emissions went into the air from my Jeep idling during the
> 15 minute wait, running during the test, driving home, driving to Auto
> Zone, driving to the emissions place, waiting 30 minutes in line and
> idling for 10 minutes while they decided not to do the full test and
> then driving home again to say nothing of all the times the gas cap was
> removed and replaced?
>
> Somehow I can't believe the emission testing system is really helping
> to clear the air but I'm sure it's a cash cow for the company doing the
> testing.
#28
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: OT, Is there any sanity in....
Up here in Canada we just call it the extortion test. If you fail, you
can pay them money for a pass. The money is supposed to go towards
emission repairs, but once you have spent the money, you don't need to
'pass', you get a conditional one. On the condition you pay the
extortion fee.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
XS11E wrote:
>
> ...government programs?
>
> I took my Jeep in for it's annual emission test and it failed because
> the gas cap wouldn't hold pressure. I got a new cap at Auto Zone
> (closest place) for $6.00 and went back for a retest.
>
> It passed, all they did was put the cap on the tester and I was done
> but.....
>
> 1. The State of Arizona says if the cap fails a full retest MUST be
> done because the leaky cap can upset other emission components. That's
> not true and it's nice to know the emissions folks apparently realize
> that so they didn't spend the time, money and man hours retesting me,
> but......
>
> 2. How much gasoline vapor could the cap have leaked into the
> atmosphere? The leak was very tiny, I blew into the cap and couldn't
> detect any leakage the first try, then I tried really hard and did find
> a small amount but I was applying more pressure than was likely to ever
> build up in the tank and......
>
> 3. How much emissions went into the air from my Jeep idling during the
> 15 minute wait, running during the test, driving home, driving to Auto
> Zone, driving to the emissions place, waiting 30 minutes in line and
> idling for 10 minutes while they decided not to do the full test and
> then driving home again to say nothing of all the times the gas cap was
> removed and replaced?
>
> Somehow I can't believe the emission testing system is really helping
> to clear the air but I'm sure it's a cash cow for the company doing the
> testing.
can pay them money for a pass. The money is supposed to go towards
emission repairs, but once you have spent the money, you don't need to
'pass', you get a conditional one. On the condition you pay the
extortion fee.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
XS11E wrote:
>
> ...government programs?
>
> I took my Jeep in for it's annual emission test and it failed because
> the gas cap wouldn't hold pressure. I got a new cap at Auto Zone
> (closest place) for $6.00 and went back for a retest.
>
> It passed, all they did was put the cap on the tester and I was done
> but.....
>
> 1. The State of Arizona says if the cap fails a full retest MUST be
> done because the leaky cap can upset other emission components. That's
> not true and it's nice to know the emissions folks apparently realize
> that so they didn't spend the time, money and man hours retesting me,
> but......
>
> 2. How much gasoline vapor could the cap have leaked into the
> atmosphere? The leak was very tiny, I blew into the cap and couldn't
> detect any leakage the first try, then I tried really hard and did find
> a small amount but I was applying more pressure than was likely to ever
> build up in the tank and......
>
> 3. How much emissions went into the air from my Jeep idling during the
> 15 minute wait, running during the test, driving home, driving to Auto
> Zone, driving to the emissions place, waiting 30 minutes in line and
> idling for 10 minutes while they decided not to do the full test and
> then driving home again to say nothing of all the times the gas cap was
> removed and replaced?
>
> Somehow I can't believe the emission testing system is really helping
> to clear the air but I'm sure it's a cash cow for the company doing the
> testing.
#29
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: OT, Is there any sanity in....
Up here in Canada we just call it the extortion test. If you fail, you
can pay them money for a pass. The money is supposed to go towards
emission repairs, but once you have spent the money, you don't need to
'pass', you get a conditional one. On the condition you pay the
extortion fee.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
XS11E wrote:
>
> ...government programs?
>
> I took my Jeep in for it's annual emission test and it failed because
> the gas cap wouldn't hold pressure. I got a new cap at Auto Zone
> (closest place) for $6.00 and went back for a retest.
>
> It passed, all they did was put the cap on the tester and I was done
> but.....
>
> 1. The State of Arizona says if the cap fails a full retest MUST be
> done because the leaky cap can upset other emission components. That's
> not true and it's nice to know the emissions folks apparently realize
> that so they didn't spend the time, money and man hours retesting me,
> but......
>
> 2. How much gasoline vapor could the cap have leaked into the
> atmosphere? The leak was very tiny, I blew into the cap and couldn't
> detect any leakage the first try, then I tried really hard and did find
> a small amount but I was applying more pressure than was likely to ever
> build up in the tank and......
>
> 3. How much emissions went into the air from my Jeep idling during the
> 15 minute wait, running during the test, driving home, driving to Auto
> Zone, driving to the emissions place, waiting 30 minutes in line and
> idling for 10 minutes while they decided not to do the full test and
> then driving home again to say nothing of all the times the gas cap was
> removed and replaced?
>
> Somehow I can't believe the emission testing system is really helping
> to clear the air but I'm sure it's a cash cow for the company doing the
> testing.
can pay them money for a pass. The money is supposed to go towards
emission repairs, but once you have spent the money, you don't need to
'pass', you get a conditional one. On the condition you pay the
extortion fee.
Mike
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XS11E wrote:
>
> ...government programs?
>
> I took my Jeep in for it's annual emission test and it failed because
> the gas cap wouldn't hold pressure. I got a new cap at Auto Zone
> (closest place) for $6.00 and went back for a retest.
>
> It passed, all they did was put the cap on the tester and I was done
> but.....
>
> 1. The State of Arizona says if the cap fails a full retest MUST be
> done because the leaky cap can upset other emission components. That's
> not true and it's nice to know the emissions folks apparently realize
> that so they didn't spend the time, money and man hours retesting me,
> but......
>
> 2. How much gasoline vapor could the cap have leaked into the
> atmosphere? The leak was very tiny, I blew into the cap and couldn't
> detect any leakage the first try, then I tried really hard and did find
> a small amount but I was applying more pressure than was likely to ever
> build up in the tank and......
>
> 3. How much emissions went into the air from my Jeep idling during the
> 15 minute wait, running during the test, driving home, driving to Auto
> Zone, driving to the emissions place, waiting 30 minutes in line and
> idling for 10 minutes while they decided not to do the full test and
> then driving home again to say nothing of all the times the gas cap was
> removed and replaced?
>
> Somehow I can't believe the emission testing system is really helping
> to clear the air but I'm sure it's a cash cow for the company doing the
> testing.
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Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in
news:44DC849C.3BEBC682@sympatico.ca:
> Up here in Canada we just call it the extortion test. If you
> fail, you can pay them money for a pass. The money is supposed to
> go towards emission repairs, but once you have spent the money,
> you don't need to 'pass', you get a conditional one. On the
> condition you pay the extortion fee.
It's not extortion here, you pass or junk the car. If the car can't be
repaired to pass emissions, you can get a waiver for one year and one
year only, then the car can never again be registered in this state nor
can it be sold w/o disclosure.
Since the emission test stations do not do repairs, the system is
fairly honest except for deluding the public that pollution is actually
being reduced which isn't happening as far as anyone can tell.
news:44DC849C.3BEBC682@sympatico.ca:
> Up here in Canada we just call it the extortion test. If you
> fail, you can pay them money for a pass. The money is supposed to
> go towards emission repairs, but once you have spent the money,
> you don't need to 'pass', you get a conditional one. On the
> condition you pay the extortion fee.
It's not extortion here, you pass or junk the car. If the car can't be
repaired to pass emissions, you can get a waiver for one year and one
year only, then the car can never again be registered in this state nor
can it be sold w/o disclosure.
Since the emission test stations do not do repairs, the system is
fairly honest except for deluding the public that pollution is actually
being reduced which isn't happening as far as anyone can tell.